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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
Our non-conference schedule has been good. Just because casual basketball fans do not know this, does not mean we are playing a horrible schedule. Just look at the numbers. Our Non-Conference schedule has no affect on a conference wanting us to join.
We would not have to schedule any tough OOC games, but we could it we wanted to.

On off years (like Syracuse or Providence or Seton Hall this year): Just glide by on winning home games and the conference SOS takes care of the rest.

Oh, we have a bad injury (like Xavier this year)? No problem, look at the SOS and top 50 wins. Never mind the top 50 losses.

It is such a bull**** safety net it sucks.

But if you can't beat em, join em I say
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Originally Posted by funky15 View Post
I think our scheduling needs to be a hell lot better too. This non-conference schedule this year was horrible. If we can schedule on a consistent basis some half decent teams, and beat them consistently, then I think Dayton joining a bigger conference will become a better possibility.
Do you think this is the fault of Dayton? We beat good teams as a mid-major, making other power teams look elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
We would not have to schedule any tough OOC games, but we could it we wanted to.

On off years (like Syracuse or Providence or Seton Hall this year): Just glide by on winning home games and the conference SOS takes care of the rest.

Oh, we have a bad injury (like Xavier this year)? No problem, look at the SOS and top 50 wins. Never mind the top 50 losses.

It is such a bull**** safety net it sucks.

But if you can't beat em, join em I say
I agree 100% but we are not in the BE so we really can't do that. But as I said, our OOC is not keeping us out of the BE like Funky15 was trying to say.
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In other news, the A10 Tournament--the tournament that decides the championship of the conference we're actually in--just started today.

With 3:23 to go in the game, UMass is ahead of StJoe 58-53
There's another game on the schedule later tonight between Duquesne and St. Louis

For those more interested in the A10 than the BE, A10 Tournament info can be found here:

http://www.atlantic10.com/ViewConten...ENT_ID=1867562

In case you were wondering, our first game is Friday at noon EST
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Dukes over SLU in the nightcap.
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Actually, SLU won. Put-back with 1.6 second left.
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Nice comeback by the Bills in the last 25 seconds. As Yogi says, never over till it's over.
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Actually, SLU won. Put-back with 1.6 second left.
My bad. I thought the game was over.
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Originally Posted by funky15 View Post
I think our scheduling needs to be a hell lot better too. This non-conference schedule this year was horrible. If we can schedule on a consistent basis some half decent teams, and beat them consistently, then I think Dayton joining a bigger conference will become a better possibility.
I think the OOC schedule is as good as it can get, unless they want to take away a home buy game, which is not ever happening.

Trust me, I have done well more than my fair share of complaining about the scheduling model.

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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
We would not have to schedule any tough OOC games, but we could it we wanted to.

On off years (like Syracuse or Providence or Seton Hall this year): Just glide by on winning home games and the conference SOS takes care of the rest.

Oh, we have a bad injury (like Xavier this year)? No problem, look at the SOS and top 50 wins. Never mind the top 50 losses.

It is such a bull**** safety net it sucks.

But if you can't beat em, join em I say
Xavier played a very tough OOC schedule, 15 home and 15 away/neutral overall schedule...#9 sos in the country...they did not back off on OOC schedule toughness just because they joined the BE...there are other BE teams that do play a weaker OOC schedule...that #9 sos is why X is still in the at-large conversation despite having 12 losses.

X OOC notables: Missouri, Clemson, Northern Iowa x2, Wake Forest, Colorado, Baylor, Cincinnati, and Utah.

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Missouri sucks, UNI sucks, Colorado sucks, Utah sucks. Baylor is a top 10 team. Clemson and Wake are bubble teams.

We played St. Mary's, who is a top 20 team AT HOME. We also played Vanderbilt, a bubble team, and Northwestern a bubble team. We had the opportunity to play a top 10 team in UCLA if we had beaten the 3rd worst team in the Big Ten, Nebraska. But we couldn't do that.

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Beginning of the end of the mega-million deals to college sports conferences?

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/es...-talent-030617
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ESPN is like the sport's version of CNN. They are becoming more irrelevant than a dog catcher at the South Pole.
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Missouri sucks, UNI sucks, Colorado sucks, Utah sucks. Baylor is a top 10 team. Clemson and Wake are bubble teams.

We played St. Mary's, who is a top 20 team AT HOME. We also played Vanderbilt, a bubble team, and Northwestern a bubble team. We had the opportunity to play a top 10 team in UCLA if we had beaten the 3rd worst team in the Big Ten, Nebraska. But we couldn't do that.

Our OOC is fine.
Xavier's OOC SOS is 16...ours is 56...it is not close.
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Beginning of the end of the mega-million deals to college sports conferences?

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/es...-talent-030617
A guy at the dog park the other day said that Disney is trying to unload ESPN, but they can't find a buyer. I have no idea if that is accurate.
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A guy at the dog park the other day said that Disney is trying to unload ESPN, but they can't find a buyer. I have no idea if that is accurate.
So you are now referring to dog park guy as a news source and you want us to take you seriously regarding scheduling?
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Guy at the dog park's name?

Bob Iger.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
Our non-conference schedule has been good. Just because casual basketball fans do not know this, does not mean we are playing a horrible schedule. Just look at the numbers. Our Non-Conference schedule has no affect on a conference wanting us to join.
What is your definition of good?
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there you go again m21, making sense again. How anybody can complain about a schedule model that gets us to the Tournament every year is absolutely baffling to me.
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_avier fans should be worried if they lose to Butler today.

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Lol, he seemed to know what he was talking about....I googled it, he might be right, others are saying the same thing about Disney looking to sell.

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there you go again m21, making sense again. How anybody can complain about a schedule model that gets us to the Tournament every year is absolutely baffling to me.
Yes, the scheduling model gets us in, I just think we should expect more. Went 24-6, 15-3, and we are looking at a 6 seed at best IMO...4 straight NCAAT's, time to start setting higher goals...feel like we are leaving money on the table.
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Archie is building his program and they will come. Not sure we want one and done, thats a lot of work for a one year player whom probably don't listen to the coaches anyways since he knows hes in the NBA after the season.

Archie will recruit players that fit his mold,(character, skills, work ethics, coachable, etc) and if he stays could develop the next Duke, who by the way took years to get where they are. Wasn't overnight.

Duke will not continue to be Duke once coach K is gone....look no farther than UCLA after John Wooden left.
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One and done has worked so well for LSU, N.C State and Washington the past couple seasons.

I'd be shocked if Fultz and Smith Jr. step foot back on campus or with their teammates.

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A guy at the dog park the other day said that Disney is trying to unload ESPN, but they can't find a buyer. I have no idea if that is accurate.
We can talk with our remotes. I watch NO ESPN content programming. I will only watch actual games. UD,NFL,MLB and CFFL is it for me. The lower their content ratings go the worse it gets. This new 6 o'clock Sportscenter is the bottom of the barrel. Sports,movies,music blah blah blah. Hosted by two of the worst heads on their roster. I remember way back in the day when i could watch Kenny Mayne,Dan Patrick,Craig Kilborn,Stuart Scott and so many others and get my sports scores with hilarious content.

Now that channel is a dumpster fire. They chose a political side and now we choose ours. For the record i don't want to hear the Republican side at my concerts or sporting events either.

FS1 is pretty good with their programming, no politics and good programming. I watched Skip and Shannon for the first time today, surprisingly watchable. I like these guys anyway, they push the envelope. Like Cowherd too.

Speak with your remotes and wallets guys.

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Archie is building his program and they will come. Not sure we want one and done, thats a lot of work for a one year player whom probably don't listen to the coaches anyways since he knows hes in the NBA after the season.

Archie will recruit players that fit his mold,(character, skills, work ethics, coachable, etc) and if he stays could develop the next Duke, who by the way took years to get where they are. Wasn't overnight.

Duke will not continue to be Duke once coach K is gone....look no farther than UCLA after John Wooden left......or UConn after Calhoun left.
About 5-6 years ago a UConn team had so much talent it became highly counterproductive. One guy was a one-and-done, another was a two-and-done...both were NBA lottery picks after the season. And the team? it was awful...it wasn't a "team". An opposing coach remarked that UConn had two many great players. That group was incapable of playing like a team, even in the hands of one of the most successful coaches ever.

Probably, the best scenario for a Dayton is two or three very good players who have a good shot at the NBA, surrounded by another half dozen good players.....with the entire group staying until graduation....along with a very good coach, which we have.

We want/need a very good "team", consistently.....one that's an NCAA regular and succeeds when it gets there. In my opinion, that last point matters a great deal. We are well past the point where making the Dance is the goal. For that reason I think our NCAA performance this year is very important.

In our exhilarating, even giddy, break out of a few seasons ago the Flyers won three games. The following year dealing with adversity they won two games. Last season we were a one-and-done. That's not the trend we want.

While "being there" is/was a big deal....one we could only dream of during the BG era....we are now well past that point. Winning one game is an absolute "must", in my opinion,....winning at least two has got to be our over-riding goal. Getting to that second week is a very big deal for our program.

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Archie is building his program and they will come. Not sure we want one and done, thats a lot of work for a one year player whom probably don't listen to the coaches anyways since he knows hes in the NBA after the season.

Archie will recruit players that fit his mold,(character, skills, work ethics, coachable, etc) and if he stays could develop the next Duke, who by the way took years to get where they are. Wasn't overnight.

Duke will not continue to be Duke once coach K is gone....look no farther than UCLA after John Wooden left.
I mentioned this on another thread yesterday, but 2 years prior to Coach K taking the Duke Job, they were in the final 4, the year prior they were in the 2nd round (1979) In the 60s thru early 70s they made 3 or 4 additional final 4s, plus made the final 4 of the NIT in the early 70s when it still kind of meant something. Duke was a very good program prior to Coach K, not at the level that Coach K has taken it (who is) but certainly a very, very high level in their prior recent history.

A better (hopeful) comparison would be UConn which was solid thru much of the 60s & 70s, but not final 4 level good, then hired Jim Calhoun in the late 80s, made their second elite 8 in 1990, finally broke thru in the late 90s with their first final 4 (and national title) then was a perennial top 10 program for the next 15 years. Very few programs sustain the success that a Hall of Fame caliper coach brings to a program, there are too many things that the HOF coach brings to the table that the next person can't replace. Duke will eventually have a drop off after Coach K, but as long as the administration stays strong, they will remain one of the top 25 programs in the country, if not top 5-10.
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We may "need" to get in the Big East, but I don't think an invite is ever coming. I think Norwood is blackballing UD and I don't think that's changing.

Time to start figuring out 1) a way to vastly improve the A10, 2) a way to bolster OOC to offset the weaker parts of the A10, and/or 3) a completely new conference situation that ain't the Big East.
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Xavier's OOC SOS is 16...ours is 56...it is not close.
How much difference is there really in those two spots in the rankings. Is it like much of the RPI stats, and the difference in 10 or 15 slots in the ranking is negligible? How much of a difference does substituting VMI for a buy game against 23-8 NC Central make up?
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We may "need" to get in the Big East, but I don't think an invite is ever coming. I think Norwood is blackballing UD and I don't think that's changing.

Time to start figuring out 1) a way to vastly improve the A10, 2) a way to bolster OOC to offset the weaker parts of the A10, and/or 3) a completely new conference situation that ain't the Big East.
Agree. And I don't think the Big East is going to expand, unless it is to add one team to go a 20 game round robin. And an odd number of teams has its own set of issues.
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Xavier's OOC SOS is 16...ours is 56...it is not close.
Has we beaten Nebraska (which was likely with a full squad) and played UCLA and A&M our OOC SOS would be similar.
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Has we beaten Nebraska (which was likely with a full squad) and played UCLA and A&M our OOC SOS would be similar.
So, if that happened, and we substituted North Carolina Central for VMI, it would be better.
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Has we beaten Nebraska (which was likely with a full squad) and played UCLA and A&M our OOC SOS would be similar.
But they did not beat Nebraska, that is my point...they run this risk every year that they will lose the first round exempt tournament game and end up with a weaker sos/fewer top 50/100 games...2 years ago in 2015, they needed a last second tip in to win the exempt tournament first round game vs. TAMU...I think that game was in the Bahamas? And their plane was late taking off from Dayton, for some reason that I do not now recall, the pilots were unavailable?...if they lose that game, they likely end up in the NIT, as they were the last team in the NCAAT that year....there is very little margin for error.

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Stop the bull **** UD2 the game was i Puerto Rico so obviously don't have a clue w3hat u r talking about and it ticks me off when people post crap when they don't know what they r talking about!!!!! I apologize to the board for my rant!
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How much difference is there really in those two spots in the rankings. Is it like much of the RPI stats, and the difference in 10 or 15 slots in the ranking is negligible? How much of a difference does substituting VMI for a buy game against 23-8 NC Central make up?
Cbssports.com is not up right now, the nitty gritty report has the a10 sos...I would have to do the math on that...(1/3 X 56, the OOC sos)+ (2/3 X the a10 sos).

The rpi wizard will handle the nc/VMI switch.
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Stop the bull **** UD2 the game was i Puerto Rico so obviously don't have a clue w3hat u r talking about and it ticks me off when people post crap when they don't know what they r talking about!!!!! I apologize to the board for my rant!
What part is bs?...they needed a last second tip-in to beat TAMU...here is the link:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...meId=400591096

Headline: Late tip-in lifts Dayton over Texas A&M 55-53

The game was in PR, not the Bahamas, my mistake.

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Dayton's Devon Scott tipped in a missed layup with 1 second remaining to help the Flyers overcome a woeful rebounding effort and held Beat Texas A&M 55-53 Thursday.

The Aggies' Alex Caruso got off a 3-pointer as time expired, but it bounced off the side of the rim.
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I usually make it a point to NOT watch any of the Buig Least games, but tonight I watched the last 5 minutes of Butler and X game.... What a pathetic exhibition of basketball...... And these are supposed to be top 10 - 15 quality teams???? Give e a break!
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Let's dominate the A10, or at least beat weaker teams when it counts away from home, before thinking we can compete in the big east
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Let's dominate the A10, or at least beat weaker teams when it counts away from home, before thinking we can compete in the big east
Our resume needs to get a whole lot better before we can upgrade. The last two performances have been dismal and disappointing from a player and coaching perspective.
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1. If we were in the BE, we would likely have a better seed due to sos, fair or not.
2. Kansas should get out of the Big 12, can't even win their first conference tournament game
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When you lose to the likes of UMass, Davidson and GW, those are depressing, bad losses. If those losses were to St Johns, DePaul and Seton Hall, we would feel better and get less disrespect, and less RPI consequence.

Why do people assume we would recruit the same in the BE. We would get a few better players. We had one true center, and one coming next year. We need double that.
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Dayton needs to be in the Big Least . . .
Dayton to the AAC . ..

Dayton needs to make the best of our current situation - the A-10 is not the problem.
Dayton needs to dominate the A-10, and that is a tall order. Finally winning a regular-season title outright is a start.
Winning the conference tournament (away from the Arena) is the next step.
Do both consistently and rankings and seedings will follow.

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Gonzaga is a 1 or 2 seed coming out of the 9th ranked conference (Usually 10th ranked). A10 is ranked 7th as often as its 8th.
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Big East gets 7 teams in the tournament.

70% of teams making the NCAA Tournament from one league is a record.

Not sure why they would look to expand at this point? Seems they have figured out the formula to maximize $$$$$.
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To what end? The NBE does not want Dayton, period. It's the super hot girl that's not interested in us. As long as X is in there, why would they ever want Dayton?
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As long as UD remains in the A-10, we can expect this every 5 years.
If we remain in the A10 and need a new coach because we have gone to 4 consecutive tournaments and had an Elite 8 run in each of those 5 year runs, we would be a tremendous program. How many programs can point to better?

It's great to have aspirations, but if you're thinking that's failure I think you are setting yourself up for a lot of frustration.
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If we remain in the A10 and need a new coach because we have gone to 4 consecutive tournaments and had an Elite 8 run in each of those 5 year runs, we would be a tremendous program. How many programs can point to better?

It's great to have aspirations, but if you're thinking that's failure I think you are setting yourself up for a lot of frustration.
The problem here is that you are forgetting Archie's first 2 years. none his fault, but he had a program with a good recruiting class coming in that all bailed. scrapped together a couple of middling seasons gets his recruits in and finally makes the dance. great run, but he left his successor in potentially the exact same predicament and there is no guarantee we will hit a coaching home run each one of those periods. My issue is not with Archie leaving. Mine is with timing that could leave us with another huge roster hole and, after 6 years, uncertainty as to whether we had an internal succession plan. My hope is that one of the internal guys is ready and ww keep some continuity for our program, especially the players and recruits.I do not want a trough every 4-6 years in hopes that we can crawl back out. And my hope is that our recruits didnt just choose UD because of Archie, but saw the great program and university here and choose to remain flyers. That is how we sustain the program.
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The problem here is that you are forgetting Archie's first 2 years. none his fault, but he had a program with a good recruiting class coming in that all bailed. scrapped together a couple of middling seasons gets his recruits in and finally makes the dance. great run, but he left his successor in potentially the exact same predicament and there is no guarantee we will hit a coaching home run each one of those periods. My issue is not with Archie leaving. Mine is with timing that could leave us with another huge roster hole and, after 6 years, uncertainty as to whether we had an internal succession plan. My hope is that one of the internal guys is ready and ww keep some continuity for our program, especially the players and recruits.I do not want a trough every 4-6 years in hopes that we can crawl back out. And my hope is that our recruits didnt just choose UD because of Archie, but saw the great program and university here and choose to remain flyers. That is how we sustain the program.
I submit that Archie is exactly why the recruits are coming to Dayton. Doubt the quality of our programs were the deciding factor. Going to be interesting to see how many actually start classes in the fall.
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The issue with the Big East is the level. Does UD become DePaul, a Seton Hall or a Villanova? If Archie had remained, UD could have compteted at the mid level,or higher... eventually. The current sophomore to be junior class would have been non competitive and smoked in the Big East.

Biggest problem with Archie leaving is that weak class.

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The issue with the Big East is the level. Does UD become DePaul, a Seton Hall or a Villanova. If Archie had remained, UD could have compteted at the mid level,or higher... eventually. The current sophomore to be junior class would have been non competitive and smoked in the Big East.

Biggest problem with Archie leaving is that weak class.
Very good points. Our thoughts of going into the Big East and competing had a lot to do with Archie as our coach. I kind of assumed we wouldn't end up being Depaul in that situation. Now it just doesn't seem as certain.

Boy oh boy, this really might be the most important coaching replacement we have to go through in Flyers history. At least very close to the Donoher hire. They're both about keeping the program moving forward and higher.
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How many non Power-5 schools can say they havent fired a basketball coach in over 2 decades.

The program is bigger than any one coach. Other fish in the pond. Archie served us well. We can and should continue to reach higher however.
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Big East gets 7 teams in the tournament.

70% of teams making the NCAA Tournament from one league is a record.

Not sure why they would look to expand at this point? Seems they have figured out the formula to maximize $$$$$.
Unless the team(s) they bring in can bring additional $$$$$. And Archie proved that a very good coach in this program can make $$$$$ for the league.

Now, we just have to get that next "very good coach" for this program.
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How many non Power-5 schools can say they havent fired a basketball coach in over 2 decades.

The program is bigger than any one coach. Other fish in the pond. Archie served us well. We can and should continue to reach higher however.
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Very good points. Our thoughts of going into the Big East and competing had a lot to do with Archie as our coach. I kind of assumed we wouldn't end up being Depaul in that situation. Now it just doesn't seem as certain.

Boy oh boy, this really might be the most important coaching replacement we have to go through in Flyers history. At least very close to the Donoher hire. They're both about keeping the program moving forward and higher.
The most important hire in Flyer history was Tom Blackburn, without him never hit the bigtime.
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The most important hire in Flyer history was Tom Blackburn, without him never hit the bigtime.
I said "coaching replacement". I don't really consider Blackburn a replacement though technically he was. UD wasn't much of a program before him and I don't think they looked at it as a critical point when hiring him. It just turned out that he was fricken amazing and turned us into a real program.
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It may mean something for Dayton to be in the BE. But there is little chance the BE expands. Best chance is some new conference with parts of A10, MVC and a couple one offs. But won't have much better TV, money. And no auto bid for some number of years.
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All you guys that think that if we were in the new Big Least, that all in the sudden our recruits would be 5 star, and future pro hall of famers are just delusional.... Dayton would not change at all, nor would their ability to attract recruits change.... it is all in your simple little heads..... just not reality! Wake up!
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We went to the tourn 4 years in a row - and not one of them was because of the autobid. I don't think that will be a show stopper. But it is clear that Wichita State, UD and other schools at the top of their conference that do what they need to build a successful program - are going to get pinched by Larger conferences that continue to schedule more conference games - ACC going to 20 for example. Meaning less and less games against p5 schools for us. This will force those schools serious about BBall to break from those that are not. An auto bid is not the concern. Playing schools that do what is needed year in and year out to be in the top 100 RPI wise is. Archie said recently that in 3 years it was going to be really difficult to schedule games against p5 schools. Something is going to have change - and that likely means a new BBall centric conference. 11 schools - playing a round robin for 20 games.
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All you guys that think that if we were in the new Big Least, that all in the sudden our recruits would be 5 star, and future pro hall of famers are just delusional.... Dayton would not change at all, nor would their ability to attract recruits change.... it is all in your simple little heads..... just not reality! Wake up!
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Archie said recently that in 3 years it was going to be really difficult to schedule games against p5 schools.

Yep, actually I think he said in one or two or three years. That quote was probably the biggest writing on the wall that Archie was leaving.
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We went to the tourn 4 years in a row - and not one of them was because of the autobid. I don't think that will be a show stopper. But it is clear that Wichita State, UD and other schools at the top of their conference that do what they need to build a successful program - are going to get pinched by Larger conferences that continue to schedule more conference games - ACC going to 20 for example. Meaning less and less games against p5 schools for us. This will force those schools serious about BBall to break from those that are not. An auto bid is not the concern. Playing schools that do what is needed year in and year out to be in the top 100 RPI wise is. Archie said recently that in 3 years it was going to be really difficult to schedule games against p5 schools. Something is going to have change - and that likely means a new BBall centric conference. 11 schools - playing a round robin for 20 games.
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Did I miss #5?
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I thought Step 1 was Collect Underpants and Step 3 was Profit?
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#5 is the reality issue that says UD to BE never happening.

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Or which ever comes first!?!?
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I think Carter also retweeted Davis' staying with UD, so not sure that means much.
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Well I think he liked it, more than retweeted it, but what do I know.
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I think Carter also retweeted Davis' staying with UD, so not sure that means much.
Carter and Davis still had UD on their Tweeter page, MW took his down immediately.
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If we were in the Big East:

1. Archie may very well still be our coach (Indiana a big draw, I realize)
2. MW is our PG
3. Carter is still coming
4. No threads about the AAC (we are not going to a football conference)
5. The beer at Tim's tastes better
6. The chapel bell rings a little clearer
7. We would probably host the First Four moving forward
8. We make the tournament 9 out of 10 years
9. We are not a stepping stone or a retirement ground for an alumnus
10. No issue with SOS, home and homes
11. Better recruits
12. Better assistants
13. No more high school gyms at Bonnies, Fordham, and LaSalle
14. No more matching up against a #4 seed quality team while seeded as a #7
15. Way more money than the A10
16. Prestige that goes with playing in a top conference
17. Way more exposure on the networks and media
18. Get to beat down on Xavier again on a regular basis
19. Eliminate 50% of the posts on this site complaining about recruits, scheduling, seeding, and general disrespect
20. Elevating profile of all other UD athletics
21. Align us with more like institutions
I could go on...

Why is there not a three person committee dedicated to getting us into this conference?
Any costs incurred will be more than made up when we join.
I am sorry, if UD is so great and we can do so many things in the community, growing our campus, and improving UD as a brand there has to be more that we can do to make this happen.

The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.
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Yes, you're right. The reason we're not in the Big East is we don't want it enough.
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Yes, you're right. The reason we're not in the Big East is we don't want it enough.
There sure seem to be a lot of people on this board alone who don't, or are resigned to the fact that we can't or won't get in. This should be as important as acquiring the fairgrounds, updating the arena, whatever. Maybe the administation does not want it enough. That may be the problem.
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If we were in the Big East:

1. Archie may very well still be our coach (Indiana a big draw, I realize)
2. MW is our PG
3. Carter is still coming
4. No threads about the AAC (we are not going to a football conference)
5. The beer at Tim's tastes better
6. The chapel bell rings a little clearer
7. We would probably host the First Four moving forward
8. We make the tournament 9 out of 10 years
9. We are not a stepping stone or a retirement ground for an alumnus
10. No issue with SOS, home and homes
11. Better recruits
12. Better assistants
13. No more high school gyms at Bonnies, Fordham, and LaSalle
14. No more matching up against a #4 seed quality team while seeded as a #7
15. Way more money than the A10
16. Prestige that goes with playing in a top conference
17. Way more exposure on the networks and media
18. Get to beat down on Xavier again on a regular basis
19. Eliminate 50% of the posts on this site complaining about recruits, scheduling, seeding, and general disrespect
20. Elevating profile of all other UD athletics
21. Align us with more like institutions
I could go on...

Why is there not a three person committee dedicated to getting us into this conference?
Any costs incurred will be more than made up when we join.
I am sorry, if UD is so great and we can do so many things in the community, growing our campus, and improving UD as a brand there has to be more that we can do to make this happen.

The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.
It's quite simple actually. TIMING. If the Big East is looking for new schools now (before Archie left), we would be coming off 4 consecutive NCAA appearances with an Elite 8 run and have arguably the best coach under 40 in the country. At worse, I think we would have gotten in over Creighton (although I know there was some heavy Marquette influence there).

Unfortunately we didn't have much to offer at the time, or enough for them to take a flyer....and were not getting in the BE....it's over.
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Wait, I forgot two more excuses:

1. Timing (it's over)
2. We just don't want it enough

Still not buying it.
Conferences are fluid, they change all the time.
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Wait and see about what happens with the tv contract. I would not say we are definitely not getting in.
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This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.
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This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.
That would seem to be a LOT of work just to be a slight step up over our current situation. If we can dominate the A10, we will be dancing ever year and be able to attract the recruits we want/need. Anything less that a jump to a currently existing or newly formed P5 league does nothing for us. IMHO the only things holding us back from the BE, are our TV market and our lack of consistent dominance in the A10.
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This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.
A Midwest based conference like the Valley will have no interest in joining up with schools from the MAAC. The Valley, for the most part, does not have to travel far for games. Most are bus trips. They would want no part to traveling to MAAC schools who have absolutely no name value in the Midwest.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
If we were in the Big East:

1. Archie may very well still be our coach (Indiana a big draw, I realize)
2. MW is our PG
3. Carter is still coming
4. No threads about the AAC (we are not going to a football conference)
5. The beer at Tim's tastes better
6. The chapel bell rings a little clearer
7. We would probably host the First Four moving forward
8. We make the tournament 9 out of 10 years
9. We are not a stepping stone or a retirement ground for an alumnus
10. No issue with SOS, home and homes
11. Better recruits
12. Better assistants
13. No more high school gyms at Bonnies, Fordham, and LaSalle
14. No more matching up against a #4 seed quality team while seeded as a #7
15. Way more money than the A10
16. Prestige that goes with playing in a top conference
17. Way more exposure on the networks and media
18. Get to beat down on Xavier again on a regular basis
19. Eliminate 50% of the posts on this site complaining about recruits, scheduling, seeding, and general disrespect
20. Elevating profile of all other UD athletics
21. Align us with more like institutions
I could go on...

Why is there not a three person committee dedicated to getting us into this conference?
Any costs incurred will be more than made up when we join.
I am sorry, if UD is so great and we can do so many things in the community, growing our campus, and improving UD as a brand there has to be more that we can do to make this happen.

The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.
Don't you think a poster on holy land of hoops can come up with a list of all there reasons why UD should not be in the BE?

Cut out all the bs and there are legitimate reasons why UD wants to be in the BE. However, there are legitimate reasons why the BE schools don't want UD in the BE. Guess who wins?
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That would seem to be a LOT of work just to be a slight step up over our current situation. If we can dominate the A10, we will be dancing ever year and be able to attract the recruits we want/need. Anything less that a jump to a currently existing or newly formed P5 league does nothing for us. IMHO the only things holding us back from the BE, are our TV market and our lack of consistent dominance in the A10.
I agree, if we knew that the A10 would continue unchanged for a decade. I often read 'dominate the A10' and have slight pause. We have been very good in the A10, but we just got off our first EVER outright title in what was our most prepared team to win in the last decade AND we were bounced in our first conference tournament game. We haven't won a conf. tournament championship since I have been following the team (was a frosh in '05). The teams that dominate their non power-5 conferences (zags, wichita in MVC, Memphis when they were in Conf. USA) truly DOMINATED. We've had good seasons, but we haven't done that.

On top of that, we look like we're heading towards a slight decline in production. I just think the sentiment to 'dominate' the A10 is overstated. With all of that said, I still agree if A10 stays the same over next 10 years I wouldn't 'work hard' to create a new league. But if someone takes VCU, Big East takes SLU (who will be very good very soon), we're left with an even more decimated and certainly more mid major league. Trying to be proactive, not reactive, as I learned in a Crisis Management course at UD.
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A Midwest based conference like the Valley will have no interest in joining up with schools from the MAAC. The Valley, for the most part, does not have to travel far for games. Most are bus trips. They would want no part to traveling to MAAC schools who have absolutely no name value in the Midwest.
Those leagues were thrown out as taking say one from each, not a contingent. Without really putting hard thought into it, you take Dayton, VCU, SLU, St Joes, Davidson, URI and add Siena, Illinois State, etc etc to form a 9 or 10 team league. More staying power there and all solid RPI programs traditionally.
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Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 View Post
Those leagues were thrown out as taking say one from each, not a contingent. Without really putting hard thought into it, you take Dayton, VCU, SLU, St Joes, Davidson, URI and add Siena, Illinois State, etc etc to form a 9 or 10 team league. More staying power there and all solid RPI programs traditionally.
Temple, Richmond, Wichita State and Memphis not sienna and definitely not Illinois state

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Richmond you're right. Temple and Memphis no chance, football. And Wichita State isn't leaving AAC either.

I'm dealing in reality. You should add Gonzaga and Nova to your list, that would be a step up.
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Richmond you're right. Temple and Memphis no chance, football. And Wichita State isn't leaving AAC either.

I'm dealing in reality. You should add Gonzaga and Nova to your list, that would be a step up.
Okay Debbie downer. Not talking today...or next year, but down the road when/if uconn cincy bolt and they are left with ecu....
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Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 View Post
On top of that, we look like we're heading towards a slight decline in production. I just think the sentiment to 'dominate' the A10 is overstated. With all of that said, I still agree if A10 stays the same over next 10 years I wouldn't 'work hard' to create a new league. But if someone takes VCU, Big East takes SLU (who will be very good very soon), we're left with an even more decimated and certainly more mid major league. Trying to be proactive, not reactive, as I learned in a Crisis Management course at UD.
The Big East is not going to consider a program like SLU.

The only way it expands is if ifs a program like UConn, but of course other things are going to have to happen for that to occur.

Big East expansion just isn't remotely likely in any period that is relevant for discussion. As far a SLU goes, they are 10x more likely to going to the Valley than the Big East and that's not even likely.
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Yeah, what's to consider? New market, very good program back on the rise, major US city. Bridge to Creighton. Jesuit, like most there. Agreed, they never would consider them. They should consider us, the same exact thing as Xavier except not as good. I heard the East Coast Bullies love Southwest Ohio.
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