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Old 04-12-2017, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 View Post
This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.
What would be the step up here? The MAAC is filled with a bunch of schools that are similar to schools that tend to be in the lower half of the A10. And our peer, WSU and only consistently good school in the MVC, has just bolted the MVC. UD is where it needs to be right now in a world of limited options: in the A10 (assuming a minimum solid base of 4 - with the goal of more - top 75 RPI teams) with behind the scenes positioning for the next Big East opportunity where our administration views (and our fan base if we are honest) our peer institutions to reside. Football conferences or inferior alliances are not the answer.
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.
Have you ever been involved with the church? Politics and religion mix quite well in the church hierarchy. Catholic institutions do not have to be reasonable if they choose not to.

Go study some Jesuit and Marianist history and compare the style and philosophy. Jesuit's tended (and dare I say still are) hard liners.
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Originally Posted by AC91 View Post
What would be the step up here? The MAAC is filled with a bunch of schools that are similar to schools that tend to be in the lower half of the A10. And our peer, WSU and only consistently good school in the MVC, has just bolted the MVC. UD is where it needs to be right now in a world of limited options: in the A10 (assuming a minimum solid base of 4 - with the goal of more - top 75 RPI teams) with behind the scenes positioning for the next Big East opportunity where our administration views (and our fan base if we are honest) our peer institutions to reside. Football conferences or inferior alliances are not the answer.
Whatever happened to Women's field hockey or was it Lacrosse? That was talked about by Dr Dan only a few years ago (no more than 3). There were comments that, that was a team sport which would have helped our 'cause' with the BE.

That talk vanished shortly after it was brought up. Seems dead now. So did the feedback from some BE members indicate that, "No that wouldn't help us either."
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Since it's all about money...I don't see why the BE would seriously consider Dayton. Saint Louis, in a major city, another matter entirely.
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I see this it post #205 on this topic, we will be posting #10,999 some time in the future and still won't be in the NBE.
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Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 View Post
This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.
What school(s) in the MAAC would be worth forming a new conference with?
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Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
I see this it post #205 on this topic, we will be posting #10,999 some time in the future and still won't be in the NBE.
Post #207 here

We need to find out the specfic barriers and make a deal. So many issues go away with us in the BE. UD needs to find a way.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
Post #207 here

We need to find out the specfic barriers and make a deal. So many issues go away with us in the BE. UD needs to find a way.
It's a 2 way street. They have to want us to join. Right now their is absolutely no indication that they are looking to expand and want to invite us. Until then, all we can do is keep winning A10 titles in as many sports as possible to show a well rounded athletic department.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
It's a 2 way street. They have to want us to join. Right now their is absolutely no indication that they are looking to expand and want to invite us. Until then, all we can do is keep winning A10 titles in as many sports as possible to show a well rounded athletic department.
I understand and agree that winning A10 titles is part of that.

We need to determine when there would be a potential opening, present our case.

It is also a two way street regarding recruits wanting to come here, yet we have 10 threads about that. If there was an answer for the BE or recruits or whatever, there would be no need for a thread.

What is UD doing to get us into the BE? Where did we fall short last time? What needs to happen moving forward?
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post

The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.
1. Correct
2. Incorrect - X is scared of UD. We have $500 million+ endowment and are preparing to run a capital campaign that could easily double that. X has an endowment of $140 million and their Athletic Dept. is treading water. They fear the longer term competition.
3. Not an issue
4. Not an issue
5. Not an issue
6. Correct, that is how Marquette dragged Creighton into the BE instead of UD getting in.
7. It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$. Sports is getting more expensive and the BE is only going to add teams that add $$$$$$$$$$ to the overall pot or add a unique visibility or long term return that they feel is worth it.
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Since it's all about money...I don't see why the BE would seriously consider Dayton. Saint Louis, in a major city, another matter entirely.
City size does not dictate financial benefit of each city.

UD brings in larger crowds and is the significantly larger TV market when you look specifically at NCAA basketball.
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I was raised in another denomination if you will. So let me ask you of the Catholic faith, is there really a lot of politics in the church between Marianists & Jesuits? Can I presume like a college fraternity there may sometimes be an unhealthy competition- where a member of the frat will receive preferential treatment due to that alone? I had presumed being a private Catholic university would have checked off that box but I am sensing that is too naive...
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UD brings in larger crowds and is the significantly larger TV market when you look specifically at NCAA basketball.
Actually that's not really true. The Dayton DMA has high ratings. But it is lower population. A 2.0 rating in a metro DMA of 500,000 brings in about 10,000 homes. A 0.5 rating in a DMA with 3,000,000 homes brings in 15,000 homes.

Dayton provides ratings, but not eyeballs. And advertisers pay for eyeballs.
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Actually that's not really true. The Dayton DMA has high ratings. But it is lower population. A 2.0 rating in a metro DMA of 500,000 brings in about 10,000 homes. A 0.5 rating in a DMA with 3,000,000 homes brings in 15,000 homes.

Dayton provides ratings, but not eyeballs. And advertisers pay for eyeballs.
To be fair, though. If the games weren't buried on premium tier networks, I bet the ratings for UD's games would be even higher.
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Dayton wins big and they'll have no choice. Location or institutional fit isn't gonna get it done.

If Dayton strings together a run of success like VCU or Wichita and they'll be more interested
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Dayton wins big and they'll have no choice. Location or institutional fit isn't gonna get it done.

If Dayton strings together a run of success like VCU or Wichita and they'll be more interested
You are dreaming OSU.
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I'm wondering how much this sports programming bubble is gonna have on the next TV contract for the Big East. Can't imagine they'll ever see a contract like this again
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I'm wondering how much this sports programming bubble is gonna have on the next TV contract for the Big East. Can't imagine they'll ever see a contract like this again
Plus with other conferences going to 20 gsmes, thd Big East will be likely to follow, then they need to expand.
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I'm sure xubrew can correct me but I would think if the Big East gets a pedestrian TV deal next go around a lot of those schools are gonna be in trouble

Xavier and Butler have it's own arena. Villanova and St Johns have smaller on campus arenas they use. I wonder how a Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence are gonna do renting out arenas. Georgetown and Seton Hall have attendance issues based on how their seasons are going. Renting an arena is an upfront cost and I'm sure all these folks are losing money on ancillary revenue

I would think there's a good chance UD is in better financial shape than many or most of these schools if TV money got on near equal footing
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