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Old 04-12-2017, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 View Post
This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.
What would be the step up here? The MAAC is filled with a bunch of schools that are similar to schools that tend to be in the lower half of the A10. And our peer, WSU and only consistently good school in the MVC, has just bolted the MVC. UD is where it needs to be right now in a world of limited options: in the A10 (assuming a minimum solid base of 4 - with the goal of more - top 75 RPI teams) with behind the scenes positioning for the next Big East opportunity where our administration views (and our fan base if we are honest) our peer institutions to reside. Football conferences or inferior alliances are not the answer.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.
Have you ever been involved with the church? Politics and religion mix quite well in the church hierarchy. Catholic institutions do not have to be reasonable if they choose not to.

Go study some Jesuit and Marianist history and compare the style and philosophy. Jesuit's tended (and dare I say still are) hard liners.
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Originally Posted by AC91 View Post
What would be the step up here? The MAAC is filled with a bunch of schools that are similar to schools that tend to be in the lower half of the A10. And our peer, WSU and only consistently good school in the MVC, has just bolted the MVC. UD is where it needs to be right now in a world of limited options: in the A10 (assuming a minimum solid base of 4 - with the goal of more - top 75 RPI teams) with behind the scenes positioning for the next Big East opportunity where our administration views (and our fan base if we are honest) our peer institutions to reside. Football conferences or inferior alliances are not the answer.
Whatever happened to Women's field hockey or was it Lacrosse? That was talked about by Dr Dan only a few years ago (no more than 3). There were comments that, that was a team sport which would have helped our 'cause' with the BE.

That talk vanished shortly after it was brought up. Seems dead now. So did the feedback from some BE members indicate that, "No that wouldn't help us either."
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Since it's all about money...I don't see why the BE would seriously consider Dayton. Saint Louis, in a major city, another matter entirely.
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I see this it post #205 on this topic, we will be posting #10,999 some time in the future and still won't be in the NBE.
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Originally Posted by jerseyflyer09 View Post
This isn't an original idea, but I think the far more likely scenario is a conference we've yet to hear of. Form an alliance with the best programs in the A10 and move forward inviting like minded programs from the MVC, MAAC, etc to make a small, less-than but similar Big East type of league. I think that's the most likely scenario and a slight step up from the current A10 structure.
What school(s) in the MAAC would be worth forming a new conference with?
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Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
I see this it post #205 on this topic, we will be posting #10,999 some time in the future and still won't be in the NBE.
Post #207 here

We need to find out the specfic barriers and make a deal. So many issues go away with us in the BE. UD needs to find a way.
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Post #207 here

We need to find out the specfic barriers and make a deal. So many issues go away with us in the BE. UD needs to find a way.
It's a 2 way street. They have to want us to join. Right now their is absolutely no indication that they are looking to expand and want to invite us. Until then, all we can do is keep winning A10 titles in as many sports as possible to show a well rounded athletic department.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
It's a 2 way street. They have to want us to join. Right now their is absolutely no indication that they are looking to expand and want to invite us. Until then, all we can do is keep winning A10 titles in as many sports as possible to show a well rounded athletic department.
I understand and agree that winning A10 titles is part of that.

We need to determine when there would be a potential opening, present our case.

It is also a two way street regarding recruits wanting to come here, yet we have 10 threads about that. If there was an answer for the BE or recruits or whatever, there would be no need for a thread.

What is UD doing to get us into the BE? Where did we fall short last time? What needs to happen moving forward?
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post

The reasons that I have read that prevent us from getting in:
1. Not a big enough market
2. Xavier admin hates us
3. DePaul hates us
4. GTown hates us
5. Travel
6. There is some super secret Jesuit handshake that we don't know

All of the above is bull, and we are misinformed. These are Catholic institutions and have to be reasonable. I realize that college sports are a business, we just have to come to an agreement that works for the current members. With all the connections, brain power, and cash that UD has we sure can make it happen.
1. Correct
2. Incorrect - X is scared of UD. We have $500 million+ endowment and are preparing to run a capital campaign that could easily double that. X has an endowment of $140 million and their Athletic Dept. is treading water. They fear the longer term competition.
3. Not an issue
4. Not an issue
5. Not an issue
6. Correct, that is how Marquette dragged Creighton into the BE instead of UD getting in.
7. It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$. Sports is getting more expensive and the BE is only going to add teams that add $$$$$$$$$$ to the overall pot or add a unique visibility or long term return that they feel is worth it.
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Since it's all about money...I don't see why the BE would seriously consider Dayton. Saint Louis, in a major city, another matter entirely.
City size does not dictate financial benefit of each city.

UD brings in larger crowds and is the significantly larger TV market when you look specifically at NCAA basketball.
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I was raised in another denomination if you will. So let me ask you of the Catholic faith, is there really a lot of politics in the church between Marianists & Jesuits? Can I presume like a college fraternity there may sometimes be an unhealthy competition- where a member of the frat will receive preferential treatment due to that alone? I had presumed being a private Catholic university would have checked off that box but I am sensing that is too naive...
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UD brings in larger crowds and is the significantly larger TV market when you look specifically at NCAA basketball.
Actually that's not really true. The Dayton DMA has high ratings. But it is lower population. A 2.0 rating in a metro DMA of 500,000 brings in about 10,000 homes. A 0.5 rating in a DMA with 3,000,000 homes brings in 15,000 homes.

Dayton provides ratings, but not eyeballs. And advertisers pay for eyeballs.
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Actually that's not really true. The Dayton DMA has high ratings. But it is lower population. A 2.0 rating in a metro DMA of 500,000 brings in about 10,000 homes. A 0.5 rating in a DMA with 3,000,000 homes brings in 15,000 homes.

Dayton provides ratings, but not eyeballs. And advertisers pay for eyeballs.
To be fair, though. If the games weren't buried on premium tier networks, I bet the ratings for UD's games would be even higher.
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Dayton wins big and they'll have no choice. Location or institutional fit isn't gonna get it done.

If Dayton strings together a run of success like VCU or Wichita and they'll be more interested
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Dayton wins big and they'll have no choice. Location or institutional fit isn't gonna get it done.

If Dayton strings together a run of success like VCU or Wichita and they'll be more interested
You are dreaming OSU.
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I'm wondering how much this sports programming bubble is gonna have on the next TV contract for the Big East. Can't imagine they'll ever see a contract like this again
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I'm wondering how much this sports programming bubble is gonna have on the next TV contract for the Big East. Can't imagine they'll ever see a contract like this again
Plus with other conferences going to 20 gsmes, thd Big East will be likely to follow, then they need to expand.
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I'm sure xubrew can correct me but I would think if the Big East gets a pedestrian TV deal next go around a lot of those schools are gonna be in trouble

Xavier and Butler have it's own arena. Villanova and St Johns have smaller on campus arenas they use. I wonder how a Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence are gonna do renting out arenas. Georgetown and Seton Hall have attendance issues based on how their seasons are going. Renting an arena is an upfront cost and I'm sure all these folks are losing money on ancillary revenue

I would think there's a good chance UD is in better financial shape than many or most of these schools if TV money got on near equal footing
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Streaming rights is the current negotiation aspect.
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Streaming rights is the current negotiation aspect.
This may belong in another thread but what would you pay for UD games if PPV was the only way to get them?
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Plus with other conferences going to 20 gsmes, thd Big East will be likely to follow, then they need to expand.
Adding one team would do the trick.
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This may belong in another thread but what would you pay for UD games if PPV was the only way to get them?

I'd pay like $70 a season, more in seasons it was likely they make the NCAA. That's provided the stream quality is good and something I can watch on a HD tv.
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This may belong in another thread but what would you pay for UD games if PPV was the only way to get them?
I would probably pay 75 to 100 if it included all home and road games and they were archived so I could rewatch them easily when I get home from the games that I do go to in person. UD could include the streaming package for season ticket holders too.

The only stipulation is that to get me to pay, the video and production quality must be much better than the current A10/UD streaming system. I'm not going to pay for a bunch of students who zoom in on the ball handler and cut away from live action for a 5 second replay.

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I'd pay like $70 a season, more in seasons it was likely they make the NCAA. That's provided the stream quality is good and something I can watch on a HD tv.
I would pay much more -$500? I wonder at what point the conference would be able to make more off of subscribers as opposed to a network deal.
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I would pay much more -$500? I wonder at what point the conference would be able to make more off of subscribers as opposed to a network deal.
500? No way I'm paying that.

You can't price a streaming package more than a season ticket would be.
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I already pay. It's one of the reasons I still have cable...
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I'm sure xubrew can correct me but I would think if the Big East gets a pedestrian TV deal next go around a lot of those schools are gonna be in trouble

Xavier and Butler have it's own arena. Villanova and St Johns have smaller on campus arenas they use. I wonder how a Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence are gonna do renting out arenas. Georgetown and Seton Hall have attendance issues based on how their seasons are going. Renting an arena is an upfront cost and I'm sure all these folks are losing money on ancillary revenue

I would think there's a good chance UD is in better financial shape than many or most of these schools if TV money got on near equal footing
I'm sure Providence does pay to use the Dunkin' Donuts Center but I'm not sure how much. I do know though that the city wants PC playing there and rolls out the red carpet for them in many ways. A few years back they redid the concourse area of the arena and PC, including then head coach Tim Welsh, had their say in the redesign of it. Another words, for PC anyway, I think the city would figure out a way to make it work regardless of the loss of TV revenue for PC if that were to happen.
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If they would televise all games I would seriously consider getting rid of my season tickets.
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I already pay. It's one of the reasons I still have cable...
But how much would you willing to pay when ESPN, FS1, etc. no longer can pay for rights to games and the option to watch the games on cable doesn't exist.
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500? No way I'm paying that.

You can't price a streaming package more than a season ticket would be.
If you don't live in Dayton, the cost of the a season ticket does not make a difference. I pay $6 for a movie on demand all the time. I would have no problem paying double, triple that for the Flyers.
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If you don't live in Dayton, the cost of the a season ticket does not make a difference. I pay $6 for a movie on demand all the time. I would have no problem paying double, triple that for the Flyers.
I don't live in Dayton either, but 500 total for a season would be around $16 a game which is too much imho. I could see $10 per game as the most I'd be willing to pay which would end up being around $300 for the season.
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If you don't live in Dayton, the cost of the a season ticket does not make a difference. I pay $6 for a movie on demand all the time. I would have no problem paying double, triple that for the Flyers.


That's craziness... I can't believe people pay that for on-demand movies. I'd consider myself pretty well off and wouldn't do that.

You can get every game of the NHL/MLB/NFL for like $250.
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That's craziness... I can't believe people pay that for on-demand movies. I'd consider myself pretty well off and wouldn't do that.

You can get every game of the NHL/MLB/NFL for like $250.
I agree with you, but the schools are going to be trying to replace the money they won't be getting from the TV networks anymore so it's hard to tell how much it will end up being. I think $5 per game would be a reasonable figure, but I would only pay that much for UD games. I'm not going to pay that for some random game between teams I have no connection to.
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That's craziness... I can't believe people pay that for on-demand movies. I'd consider myself pretty well off and wouldn't do that.

You can get every game of the NHL/MLB/NFL for like $250.
There are many people that want to watch all those games so the cost of broadcasting can be spread out. I just think that the networks are going to have a harder time justifying the expenditures on some games that don't draw large audiences.
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That's craziness... I can't believe people pay that for on-demand movies. I'd consider myself pretty well off and wouldn't do that.

You can get every game of the NHL/MLB/NFL for like $250.
Do you go to the theater to see a movie? Cost a lot more there.

Do you ever buy a coffee at Starbucks? Can make it for a lot less at home.

Many people spend many $s on things each of us would never do and we probably do the same. To each his own. Consumer spending helps make our world go around.
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You can't price it at more than a cable package, that's silly. Of course people on a Dayton basketball message board will pay more than the average person for it. But if you want lots of eyeballs, you're going to have to be reasonable for what you charge. Now if they got creative and packaged it with access to all A10 games, then there's enough volume to start raising the price.
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But how much would you willing to pay when ESPN, FS1, etc. no longer can pay for rights to games and the option to watch the games on cable doesn't exist.
$5 per game via pay per view/ on demand of some sort. I would do that.
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I guess some of you are not real Flyer fans - just kidding.

I didn't ask what the realistic price would be, rather, what would you pay?

I'd pay more. I have a monkey on my back. I need my Flyer fix twice a week during the season.

However, my price drops quickly if next year's pg is already on the roster.
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I'd pay more. I have a monkey on my back. I need my Flyer fix twice a week during the season.

However, my price drops quickly if next year's pg is already on the roster.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! Thank you for having the balls to say what most of the "sane" people on this board are thinking...
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Every time Butler gets another 4-star player, I think "that's a player we'd have got if we were in the BE."

The timing of their run with Stevens and the NBE forming is so surreal. From battling Wright State and Green Bay to a perennial Top 25 team, almost overnight.

I'm admittedly jealous.
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Every time Butler gets another 4-star player, I think "that's a player we'd have got if we were in the BE."

The timing of their run with Stevens and the NBE forming is so surreal. From battling Wright State and Green Bay to a perennial Top 25 team, almost overnight.

I'm admittedly jealous.
On a positive note Jordan Davis visits Butler, shortly after visits Dayton and decides Butlers not worthy--the young man chose wisely.
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Creighton is pretty lucky too. If Doug McDermott does't turn out to be a star they could have been looking at a 6 year NCAA tourney drought, Dad on the hot seat and possibly Big East chances in jeopardy
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Creighton is pretty lucky too. If Doug McDermott does't turn out to be a star they could have been looking at a 6 year NCAA tourney drought, Dad on the hot seat and possibly Big East chances in jeopardy
Creighton is a weird animal. They've made the tourney fairly consistently of late, but they've never had much success.
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Worst quarter ever, q1 2017, for pay-tv providers.

Q1 2017 was 5x worse than q1 2016.



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05.03.17 | 2:21 PM

Cord-cutting spikes fivefold in cable TV’s worst quarter ever

Cable's day of reckoning has come. With all the major cable and satellite companies having reported their quarterly numbers, analyst firm MoffettNathanson put together a new cord-cutting report, and things are bad. Pay-TV providers lost an estimated 762,000 pay-TV subscribers over the first three months of this year—five times more than they lost during the same period last year. To make matters worse, Q1 has historically been a strong season for pay TV.

"For the better part of 15 years, pundits have predicted that cord-cutting was the future," an apocalyptic Craig Moffett wrote. "Well, the future has arrived."

As I wrote last week, Comcast was the only major provider to buck the trend, but judging by the way things look, that winning streak won't last.
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Every time Butler gets another 4-star player, I think "that's a player we'd have got if we were in the BE."

The timing of their run with Stevens and the NBE forming is so surreal. From battling Wright State and Green Bay to a perennial Top 25 team, almost overnight.

I'm admittedly jealous.
Butler's transformation goes back before Stevens. I'm also jealous. From Matta to Lichliter, to Sevens to Holtzman. They've made great coaching decisions often keeping it within the Butler program. There is not doubt the small college in Indy has made a name for itself. This year Holztman is noted to have gotten the best recruiting class ever at Butler. There is no doubt in my mind the Big East has helped. Their 2017 class is ranked as high at 11th.
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