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Thank You Archie and Morgan

Thank you Archie and Morgan. The last 4 years has been one of the best 4 year runs in Dayton history and definitely the best run in my 44 years as a Dayton fan. I enjoyed taking my 11 year son to watch the Flyers in the last four NCAA tournaments in Buffalo, Memphis, Dayton, Columbus, St. Louis, and Indianapolis.

I do not blame you at all for taking the Indiana job, a top 15 program where you can compete annually for a national championship. Every offseason since the Elite 8 run, I hoped for just one more year with Archie. But alas all good things come to an end.

Dayton will always be my #1 team, but you have a new fan of Indiana basketball. Good luck, I will be rooting for you. But you do not need luck, Indiana will be back to national prominence at the Arizona level in 2-3 years.
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Yes, I think at this point in time I will root for Indiana. I'm not resentful of Archie taking the prime job. But if the future hold some rough times for Flyer Basketball, no telling if my emotions can keep me feeling that way. Too many "what could've beens" in UD history and with this recruiting class, it feels like another big one.

But in the mean time, thanks for some great basketball AM, you were pure class on top of the success you brought our program.

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I appreciate everything Archie did for UD and wish him well, but I only root for UD. Could not care less what happens at Indiana.
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These quotes are really stupid, he is a coach looking for bigger things. As for being a IU fan ,since he is the coach there. Well, just dumb
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These quotes are really stupid, he is a coach looking for bigger things. As for being a IU fan ,since he is the coach there. Well just dumb
It's not about being an IU fan. It's about being a fan of one of the greatest Flyers' coach in our storied history. I will root for AM's success because I'm an AM fan. And it can't hurt our coaching hiring success in the future to have one that goes on to top notch success.

BTW, this does not mean I root for IU over UD. That's ridiculous. I just wish AM all the success in the world, unless that come at the expense of my Flyers.
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I just wish AM all the success in the world, unless that comes at the expense of my Flyers.
It already has.
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Thanks Archie and good luck! I wish you and your family all the best.
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It already has.
And I didn't wish him the IU job. But that's over and done with. From here on I wish him nothing but success unless somehow his career takes some bad twists and turns and he winds up at Xavier.
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Hopes and comparisons

I heard the news this morning and just checked my computer. Mark Few, head coach of Gonzaga, has 17 years as their head coach (and 28 years working at Gonzaga), despite no NCAA national championships (as of now, since he is one game away from the final four).

I also wish AM and his family well. Hopefully, he will not compromise his personal, family and professional standards like some other head coaches have in trying for that NCAA tournament championship.

I for one, thought this would happen, the day I heard of the demise of Big Steve. Although, to be honest, I thought the destination would be Ohio State.

I would hope that the fans stay loyal. A serious drop in attendance revenue could result in other athletic cut-backs, probably men's and women's soccer.


Final one in a million wish - After championships, LeBron came back to Cleveland. Could Archie come back to Dayton?
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Could Archie come back to Dayton?
Yea, if we keep the play in games...
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Thanks Archie for a great run. Sad, sad day for Flyer Fans. Good luck at IU. You'll have 17,000 of the "best" assistant coaches in the country at every home game.
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The only way that happens is if UD basketball doesn't go on to bigger and better things. I do not wish for that.

The only way you'll see AM back on a UD bench will be if the program is in decline and he's a 60 something year old man that wants to save the program that gave him his start before he retires.

Again, I hope not.
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I'm going to pass on the Archie tribute. Let's treat it just like he treated UD. He was an upgrade to moving the program in a better direction. He was a great representative of the university.

Now UD must move to finding the next level, just like he did. It's just business.
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Morgan, get ready for your Northwestern twitter show-down. I don't know if IU will play at Evanston next season, but you can imagine Northwestern fans will looking forward to seeing you.

I would only thank Archie for doing his job while he was here; otherwise I am confident the UD program existed before him, and will continue to be long after Monday Morning.

May the Flyers Beat IU in regional title game like Xavier did Arizona.
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Morgan, get ready for your Northwestern twitter show-down. I don't know if IU will play at Evanston next season, but you can imagine Northwestern fans will looking forward to seeing you.

I would only thank Archie for doing his job while he was here; otherwise I am confident the UD program existed before him, and will continue to be long after Monday Morning.

May the Flyers Beat IU in regional title game like Xavier did Arizona.
I thought Gonzaga beat Xavier in the regional title game? Xavier beat Az in the regional semifinal same as Az did to Xavier two years earlier.

I really don't understand that the best coach and the best coaching success we've had in almost 50 years is looked upon with such disdain. You guys need to get through this grieving process before you post.
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Smitty, yes on the Xavier regional eight, but you knew what I meant.

Trust me I only grieved over coach Donoher's abrupt departure. I have zero concerns over where and what happened to JOB, Purnell, and definitely not the Gregory or Miller families. Who gives a pile of smelly stuff!!! Next man up!!!
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Can we stop calling Archie the greatest coach in UD history? He had a chance to be one in about 10 years but by leaving now he is in third place...by a mile.
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Can we stop calling Archie the greatest coach in UD history? He had a chance to be one in about 10 years but by leaving now he is in third place...by a mile.
Not sure I have heard anyone call him the greatest in UD history. In any case, I agree with you - he could have been if he stayed but he didn't stay long enough to establish that legacy.
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I thought Gonzaga beat Xavier in the regional title game? Xavier beat Az in the regional semifinal same as Az did to Xavier two years earlier.

I really don't understand that the best coach and the best coaching success we've had in almost 50 years is looked upon with such disdain. You guys need to get through this grieving process before you post.
Smitty you need to investigate alittle more on Archie and behind the scenes, before crowning him king. I was appalled on what I heard about him and his self-righteous ass. Good by and don't let the door hit you in the ass
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Thanks, Archie! You're the best, dude! I loved every day you were coaching the Flyers. You are my kind of coach and I'll follow your career intently from this day forward. I wish we could've satisfied your need to rise to the top here but I fully understand the reasoning of your decision. I think your Hoosier are destined for near-immediate success. Just like you did for us. Good luck, buddy..
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I'm going to pass on the Archie tribute. Let's treat it just like he treated UD. He was an upgrade to moving the program in a better direction. He was a great representative of the university.

Now UD must move to finding the next level, just like he did. It's just business.
Kind of in the middle on this one. If he was 65 and retiring as UD coach, then all of this praise is warranted.

However, he is now in a position where he is competing against us. Not in the same conference, mind you, but for recruits, NCAA bids, etc.

He was great for the program, and the program was great for him. It is a business. He is still the competition now.
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These quotes are really stupid, he is a coach looking for bigger things. As for being a IU fan ,since he is the coach there. Well, just dumb
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Not sure I have heard anyone call him the greatest in UD history. In any case, I agree with you - he could have been if he stayed but he didn't stay long enough to establish that legacy.
You don't have to pull down the lifetime achievement award to be considered the best. He was the best. I predict IU becomes a top 10 program within three years. I also believe because of his vast array of skills that IU is also a stepping-stone. So, IU fans, be careful about being happy for our loss. He's gone to the ACC ultimately, imo.
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Smitty you need to investigate alittle more on Archie and behind the scenes, before crowning him king. I was appalled on what I heard about him and his self-righteous ass. Good by and don't let the door hit you in the ass


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Look did a great job for us, But the ending is not great. So the school that gave you the opportunity, that you talked about how happy you are etc, then offers you even more money you leave.Well its Indiana!!! Only 38 and many more great jobs would come thru. I am Dayton guy if you leave your telling me I am not good enough for you. So some will say that's the way its is, I say Good luck and lets get a Dayton man on the bench. Gonzaga is the model, we have a better conference , location and facilities and they have shown it can be done. Had a great 6 years with Archie, They are really nice people but they are also just like everyone else, just used us as a stepping stone. lets look for someone who is a real Flyer and sticks with us.
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And another fan base of a mid-major uses Gonzaga as the model. Humorous to me. Name another?
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However, he is now in a position where he is competing against us. Not in the same conference, mind you, but for recruits, NCAA bids, etc.

He was great for the program, and the program was great for him. It is a business. He is still the competition now.
This entire region now has guys sort of indirectly all from the same coaching tree now competing against each other.

The Herb Sendek/Thad Matta coaching tree has taken over college basketball in this region.

I thought about this the other day, and I think there are/were at least 18 coaching jobs that are/were connected to the Sendek/Matta coaching tree:

1. Miami**Sendek

2. Butler**Matta

3. Xavier

4. Ohio State

5. Ohio U.**John Groce

6. Indiana

7. Charlotte**Alan Major

8. Arizona

8. Ball State**James Whitford

9. Dayton

10. Iowa**Todd Lickliter

11. Boston Celtics**Brad Stevens

12. Illinois**John Groce

13. South Alabama**Matthew Graves

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Witchita State...Xavier.....have long term coaches and great performance. Loyal great coaches who don't make what Archie makes...really Loyal guys who stuck with it and built programs...
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Xavier, my friend, is on another level. Hate to put the fingernails to the chalkboard but you asked for it. WSU's coach is the next to take the step imho. Maybe not, but they are a bigger player due to their locale. Wichita is a lot nicer than Dayton in just about every aspect. Again jmo.
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Dayton is a much better destination than Witchita. Marshall and Mack are better coaches and more loyal than Archie. Marshall and Mack didn't run.
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Witchita State...Xavier.....have long term coaches and great performance. Loyal great coaches who don't make what Archie makes...really Loyal guys who stuck with it and built programs...
They don't make what AM is making as of 3-25 but Marshall at WSU makes a salary of 3.5 mm with just about ZERO pressure..
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Dayton is a much better destination than Witchita. Marshall and Mack are better coaches and more loyal than Archie. Marshall and Mack didn't run.
Mack didn't build the program he's just carrying the torch. Wichita is five times the destination that Dayton is. Take the blinders off, dude
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I have an office there... Not even close... Dayton is a better recruiting area and better TV market....dude... Close your eyes..oh they are!!
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Wichita is five times the destination that Dayton is. Take the blinders off, dude
85, have you ever been to Wichita Kansas???????
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Witchita State...Xavier.....have long term coaches and great performance. Loyal great coaches who don't make what Archie makes...really Loyal guys who stuck with it and built programs...
So - is it safe to assume you have never changed jobs?
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Mack didn't build the program he's just carrying the torch. Wichita is five times the destination that Dayton is. Take the blinders off, dude
You are so far behind you think you're first in most of that statement and especially in regards to the recruiting base, TV market, etc..
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85, have you ever been to Wichita Kansas???????
They do make airplanes there!
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Archie wants to win. In an ideal scenario he would have done it here. I think that was probably his ideal scenario too. But he has a better chance to win at Indiana. Take, for example, a recruit like Romeo Langford. #3 recruit in the country next year. Just by having the "IU" on his shirt Archie has a seat at the table with that recruit. If he has a "D" on his shirt - he doesn't even make it on Romeo's doorstep.

I love UD as much as anyone. When I read Archie was leaving I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. But we need to be realistic and admit that Indiana gives him a better opportunity to fulfill his career goals.

Instead of whining about him not chaining himself to the UD coaching job for the next 40 years - how about we just thank him for advancing the program and leaving it in a significantly better place than he found it. And he did so under ridiculous circumstances (player suspensions, Big Steve, etc).

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I have not...in my 40th year with my company. We have expanded and grown and sold it 8 years ago and I have stayed on. Its been great, we were an Esop and that kept a lot of people long term and also kept our customer base.
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85, have you ever been to Wichita Kansas???????
Dude, have you watched the news to catch the west side shootings and the east side arsons? I mean like every day. Dayton is sh!t
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I have not...in my 40th year with my company. We have expanded and grown and sold it 8 years ago and I have stayed on. Its been great, we were an Esop and that kept a lot of people long term and also kept our customer base.
And you've kept the same job for 40 years? Never took a promotion that gave you different responsibilities and a chance to achieve your career goals?
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yes all in the same company...
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You are so far behind you think you're first in most of that statement and especially in regards to the recruiting base, TV market, etc..
And you're just sensitive right now. I saw it coming. I'm over it. I can see what other fan bases have come to this board to see. Solid gold humor
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yes all in the same company...
Not what I asked - I understand you are at the same company - but you are in the same role today that you were in 40 years ago?

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing at some point in those 40 years you took a promotion. You got more money. Some different responsibilities. And you left your old responsibilities to another person filling your old role.

If not - good for you - but I have some sad news for you. It is very normal for people to change jobs to work towards their career goals.

In order for Archie to continue towards his career goals, he did not have an option to stay with the same organization.
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Very good thanks for the update. didn't know that. Just a loyal guy. Just believe in fulfilling commitment.
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I mentioned in a thread within the last week that Archie's departure should be discussed before he bolted. Sour grapes from a lot of people. I just thank the ones who thanked him for a job well done with a wish of good fortune for his future.
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Very good thanks for the update. didn't know that. Just a loyal guy. Just believe in fulfilling commitment.
Seems like you are suggesting Archie didn't fulfill his commitment. I must have missed the press conference where Archie cut himself and made a blood pact agreeing to coach UD for eternity.

Maybe you would be happier if we hadn't made the Elite 8 and 4 consecutive tournaments. Maybe then Archie would still be here "fulfilling his commitment". When we have success our coach will be in demand.

I'm thankful for the success he has while he was here and I hope the next coach can build on it.
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look... I said he did great..he accepted all the extentions Dayton gave him and he seems to be in a good place. If your ok with this that's fine, I would like to find a coach who stays with us...As you look around guys like Calhoun and Geno at UConn before anyone knew about Stores Conn and the Fews, the Guys who stay long term make programs great. So I had hoped with all he said that he mite be the guy. How about a great coach like him staying bringing in this terrific class and maybe..just maybe because of our great performance HE gets us into a better conference. He was that guy who could do that. Now we start over and hope that the new coach is as good as Archie. If we keep the recruits and we stay at this level that would be great, if not I blame him just as I gave him credit. As you would say all part of the game.
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I can see what other fan bases have come to this board to see. Solid gold humor

Ah, I see, you're one of those guys...the kind who continually talks down the program (and Dayton in general) because you worry about what "other fan bases" think. I wondered why so many people here constantly talk down the program, and I suspected this was the reason.

Who cares what other fan bases think? This is a Dayton board.
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Flyerguyer, this guy doesn't succumb to divide-and-conquer approach. I don't talk down the program, ever. Prove that. You're welcome, Btw, for the privilege to post here..
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I remember when Vitale coached Detroit Mercy they came to the arena and Vitale said before the game, to some effect, 'if we're able to beat this team in their house today I'll do a dance at mid-court to celebrate' Yeah, it was a terrible dance too We're UD, baby!
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Archie has moved on from Dayton. I suggest the fans move on from him -- and for a few of you -- one another.
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I'd love to move on but it's not clear that he's moving on from our recruits. Until that's resolved, especially MW to Indiana, I think we still have business to discuss.
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I'd love to move on but it's not clear that he's moving on from our recruits. Until that's resolved, especially MW to Indiana, I think we still have business to discuss.
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Archie has moved on from Dayton. I suggest the fans move on from him -- and for a few of you -- one another.
Ive got no beef with Archie. Im thankful for what he did. If McKinley goes to Indiana, so be it, its his choice i don't blame him. If Archie takes him, all that goodwill is gone and i lose respect for him. I will actually be doing something i thought id never do if he left, i'll be rooting against him.
Archie can get his own 4 star and 5 star guys why would he take one of the rare 4 stars we get.

If he's an honorable man and all the stuff he said while he was here AND he takes McKinley, every word out of his mouth his null and void.
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Archie wants to win. In an ideal scenario he would have done it here. I think that was probably his ideal scenario too. But he has a better chance to win at Indiana. Take, for example, a recruit like Romeo Langford. #3 recruit in the country next year. Just by having the "IU" on his shirt Archie has a seat at the table with that recruit. If he has a "D" on his shirt - he doesn't even make it on Romeo's doorstep.

I love UD as much as anyone. When I read Archie was leaving I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. But we need to be realistic and admit that Indiana gives him a better opportunity to fulfill his career goals.

Instead of whining about him not chaining himself to the UD coaching job for the next 40 years - how about we just thank him for advancing the program and leaving it in a significantly better place than he found it. And he did so under ridiculous circumstances (player suspensions, Big Steve, etc).

Thanks Archie - you will be missed!
I don't think you'll find anybody here saying he didn't advance the program or leave it significantly better than he found it (although...significantly? hmmm, just slightly better). Admit that he had some bad circumstances, but so did Oliver Purnell and BG. I think what most are disappointed in is the constant statements over the last several years to the effect of "Why not us?" and "I be here as long as UD wants me here", etc...etc...

Then when the IU job comes along - mindful that we just lost a tough first round game to WSU, then we hear that IU is "a dream job". Really? Or, "I never talked to anyone until Indiana came along". This kind of feels like "I've been married to my soulmate and love her deeply" -until that hot 26 year blond showed interest...

It's not like IU offered 3.5 million and UD said "good luck". I think there was a real effort to match and keep him here - a top 10 salary from what I understand UD offered. But my first thought when he left was, "maybe we can get someone less likely to bolt for the first "top 10" job, someone that I wanted when BG left...someone like Anthony Grant!"

In retrospect, I'm OK with what happened. I'd rather have someone I really feel is here for the long run. Someone who doesn't feel like they're "chained" to UD. Thanks Archie for doing what any decent coach could have done with UD resources. I hope you fulfill YOUR dreams and career goals. Thanks for leaving so that we could hire Anthony Grant - someone that I believe will be here to fulfill UD fan and player dreams and goals.
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I remember when Vitale coached Detroit Mercy they came to the arena and Vitale said before the game, to some effect, 'if we're able to beat this team in their house today I'll do a dance at mid-court to celebrate' Yeah, it was a terrible dance too We're UD, baby!
I remember that jitterbug dance at mid-court after the game and WHIO playing it over and over like Clockwork Orange. I've had no respect for Vitale ever since and applaud, sincerely applaud the UD fan that spit on his bald head as he left under the tunnel after the dance. What a piece of work.
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BRob, none of our recruits are even close to being 4 stars, they are all not ranked or 3's. We're the ones that have annointed this class as the best in UD history. MW is the only 3 star and our 2017 class doesn't even make anyone's top 100. According to 247 sports, we are 110 with several A10 schools such as Davidson ranked ahead of us.

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How much $$$ did UD pay Archie? I think they have thanked him enough already.
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BRob, none of our recruits are even close to being 4 stars, they are all not ranked or 3's. We're the ones that have annointed this class as the best in UD history. MW is the only 3 star and our 2017 class doesn't even make anyone's top 100. According to 247 sports, we are 110 with several A10 schools such as Davidson ranked ahead of us.
Actually, it's all relative to the recruiting service you use. Wright, Davis, Carter and Pierce are all three stars, according to Rivals. And you could argue that Wright blew up his senior year and may have improved his stock. Kostas, though not in the 2017 class, is a four star and a top 100 (86) recruit. All had P5 offers.

All that said, I don't disagree with your point. It's not the best class in UD history, and they'd have to prove their talents on the court.
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Mack didn't build the program he's just carrying the torch. Wichita is five times the destination that Dayton is. Take the blinders off, dude
I've been to Wichita a few times. Not bad, but to say the town & area are far superior to Dayton is a bit of a stretch.
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I've been to Wichita a few times. Not bad, but to say the town & area are far superior to Dayton is a bit of a stretch.
Maybe. But east Dayton looks like east Berlin post wwii. A lot of vacant lots where houses used to stand. Catch up on the arsons and west side shootings then tell me how slick Dayton is. Do you live in the city or on the outskirts? I stand by my comment. May be overblown but we suck..
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Thank you Archie and Morgan. The last 4 years has been one of the best 4 year runs in Dayton history and definitely the best run in my 44 years as a Dayton fan. I enjoyed taking my 11 year son to watch the Flyers in the last four NCAA tournaments in Buffalo, Memphis, Dayton, Columbus, St. Louis, and Indianapolis.

I do not blame you at all for taking the Indiana job, a top 15 program where you can compete annually for a national championship. Every offseason since the Elite 8 run, I hoped for just one more year with Archie. But alas all good things come to an end.

Dayton will always be my #1 team, but you have a new fan of Indiana basketball. Good luck, I will be rooting for you. But you do not need luck, Indiana will be back to national prominence at the Arizona level in 2-3 years.
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How much $$$ did UD pay Archie? I think they have thanked him enough already.
I could be thanked for a lot less! Maybe thank me at the 25% level.

God knows I've worked thankless jobs in my career!
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Just curious, why?
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Just curious what exactly you are thankful for. The two years of mediocrity we are going to have to suffer through, the, apparent at least, tampering with our most important recruit, or the one year run that he has parlayed into millions of dollars and the ability to use UD as a stepping stone to somewhere he would rather be? I seriously just don't get this. I would say he has been well, if not over, compensated for what he did for UD, (which I do acknowledge), he gets nothing more from me.

It is clear that AM is about AM, which is fine. UD should be about UD.
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Just curious, why?
Because I wanted to see if someone else would say this.

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Just curious what exactly you are thankful for. The two years of mediocrity we are going to have to suffer through, the, apparent at least, tampering with our most important recruit, or the one year run that he has parlayed into millions of dollars and the ability to use UD as a stepping stone to somewhere he would rather be? I seriously just don't get this. I would say he has been well, if not over, compensated for what he did for UD, (which I do acknowledge), he gets nothing more from me.

It is clear that AM is about AM, which is fine. UD should be about UD.
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Just curious what exactly you are thankful for. The two years of mediocrity we are going to have to suffer through, the, apparent at least, tampering with our most important recruit, or the one year run that he has parlayed into millions of dollars and the ability to use UD as a stepping stone to somewhere he would rather be? I seriously just don't get this. I would say he has been well, if not over, compensated for what he did for UD, (which I do acknowledge), he gets nothing more from me.

It is clear that AM is about AM, which is fine. UD should be about UD.
Some, I'm going to risk it and say MOST, around here saw one or two years of mediocrity coming before AM left. See 2017-2018 thread.

So, would you be dumping on AM if he didn't leave and gave us two years of mediocrity? I doubt it.

The fact of the matter is he's built the program up giving us a 4 year period of success in the process we haven't seen since the 60s. It's now up to UD to keep that going. If they don't, it's the program's fault, not AM's.
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Some, I'm going to risk it and say MOST, around here saw one or two years of mediocrity coming before AM left. See 2017-2018 thread.

So, would you be dumping on AM if he didn't leave and gave us two years of mediocrity? I doubt it.

The fact of the matter is he's built the program up giving us a 4 year period of success in the process we haven't seen since the 60s. It's now up to UD to keep that going. If they don't, it's the program's fault, not AM's.
You are right, with 5 freshman coming in and what is left after this season, most saw year of mediocrity measure in W's and L's but after that year, we saw another 4 year run. So if AM left after next year, with a solid base and maybe only 1 or 2 holes to fill, I would be a lot more willing to thank him for what he had done for UD.

I don't know how you define "the program". But as far as the players in this program go, we have a lot of empty spots to fill. AM's program was him. I guess the AD is part of the program and to some degree, I fault him for allowing the program to be almost completely AM.
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You are right, with 5 freshman coming in and what is left after this season, most saw year of mediocrity measure in W's and L's but after that year, we saw another 4 year run. So if AM left after next year, with a solid base and maybe only 1 or 2 holes to fill, I would be a lot more willing to thank him for what he had done for UD.

I don't know how you define "the program". But as far as the players in this program go, we have a lot of empty spots to fill. AM's program was him. I guess the AD is part of the program and to some degree, I fault him for allowing the program to be almost completely AM.
There's no guarantee that all 5 would've stayed for their sophomore season had AM waited a year to leave. Not only that, while you as a UD fan might be more forgiving, the recruits might feel a bit betrayed by AM for pulling the rug out from under them after one season. At least now they can pull out and still not have to sit out a year.

So imo, AM's timing was what was best for the players he had and was going to have. There's going to be turmoil when you lose a highly sought after coach no matter when. That's the nature of non-power conference basketball schools.
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There's no guarantee that all 5 would've stayed for their sophomore season had AM waited a year to leave. Not only that, while you as a UD fan might be more forgiving, the recruits might feel a bit betrayed by AM for pulling the rug out from under them after one season. At least now they can pull out and still not have to sit out a year.

So imo, AM's timing was what was best for the players he had and was going to have. There's going to be turmoil when you lose a highly sought after coach no matter when. That's the nature of non-power conference basketball schools.
Your response is too reasonable. Try again.
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Would you have traded the last 4 seasons for more class stability at the present? I sure wouldn't.
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Some, I'm going to risk it and say MOST, around here saw one or two years of mediocrity coming before AM left. See 2017-2018 thread.

So, would you be dumping on AM if he didn't leave and gave us two years of mediocrity? I doubt it.
I would because he is responsible for recruiting. I don't think UD should be a program that has a few good seasons followed by a 1-2 year rebuilding period. Also, in my opinion, a program like UD shouldn't be an injury, or bad academic term, away from having 0-1 point guards
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Would you have traded the last 4 seasons for more class stability at the present? I sure wouldn't.
Only if that class stability included Big Steve heading into his junior season.
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I would because he is responsible for recruiting. I don't think UD should be a program that has a few good seasons followed by a 1-2 year rebuilding period. Also, in my opinion, a program like UD shouldn't be an injury, or bad academic term, away from having 0-1 point guards
And UD shouldn't be an injury and criminal behavior away from having one PG, 6 scholarship players and nobody over 6'6 tall. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you were on his case when that hypothetical turned into reality.
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Oh, I didn't read the fine print on one year renewable.
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Some, I'm going to risk it and say MOST, around here saw one or two years of mediocrity coming before AM left. See 2017-2018 thread.

So, would you be dumping on AM if he didn't leave and gave us two years of mediocrity? I doubt it.

The fact of the matter is he's built the program up giving us a 4 year period of success in the process we haven't seen since the 60s. It's now up to UD to keep that going. If they don't, it's the program's fault, not AM's.
Well you can count me in the minority then. I will give you that we may not have won the A10 this year, but at least we had replacements for the guys who were leaving with some expected growing pains of course, but I certainly did not have us in the 15-15 range next year. As it stands we have no idea what we have and I think 15-15 might be on the high side of expectation.

So if it makes people happy...thanks Archie, for doing your job.
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The subject of this thread is akin to religion and politics...maybe worse.

Archie's Legacy...trying to use facts...not emotion:

Archie was a fine coach and UD had a fine run...

Archie had sporadic success in recruiting...one Sophomore and one Senior.

Archie has a slew of Juniors...if we get 100 UD fans in a room we will have 100 opinions on the quality of these players

Archie recruited a Freshman class that no professional has labeled as Top 100. Based upon today's information...he appeared to recruit them based on his skills not the benefits of our great school.

Archie has had no apparent impact to date (other than Davis) in convincing the Freshman to stay. That is a fact (today).

There are rumors that he is recruiting our top recruit (if true...only a creep would do this). That is my opinion.

Great coach? Great coaches have a legacy. He left UD with a Top 150 team? Sustainability is a sign of greatness.

I suspect some of the positive "Goodbyes" could sour a bit in coming years. If IU signs MW...I'd love to hear the Thank You's (again).
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Would you have traded the last 4 seasons for more class stability at the present? I sure wouldn't.
Why couldn't/shouldn't we have had both?
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Some, I'm going to risk it and say MOST, around here saw one or two years of mediocrity coming before AM left. See 2017-2018 thread.

So, would you be dumping on AM if he didn't leave and gave us two years of mediocrity? I doubt it.

The fact of the matter is he's built the program up giving us a 4 year period of success in the process we haven't seen since the 60s. It's now up to UD to keep that going. If they don't, it's the program's fault, not AM's.
I don't blame or fault him for anything, that is what you fail to understand. But it is business, it certainly was to him. I just don't get the love fest and desire to crown him the savior of UD basketball. Do you think OKC fans wrote glowing thank yous to KD when he moved on to what he perceived to be greener pastures? Heck no! Russell Westbrook won't even talk to him. I don't hate Archie I just think his bank account and current job reflect all the thank he is owed by UD and it's fans.
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I don't blame or fault him for anything, that is what you fail to understand. But it is business, it certainly was to him. I just don't get the love fest and desire to crown him the savior of UD basketball. Do you think OKC fans wrote glowing thank yous to KD when he moved on to what he perceived to be greener pastures? Heck no! Russell Westbrook won't even talk to him. I don't hate Archie I just think his bank account and current job reflect all the thank he is owed by UD and it's fans.
You don't see the "love fest and desire to crown him the savior of UD basketball". That's fine. Nobody sees eye to eye with everyone else on a player or coach or anything for that matter. But why question it? I for one look at it as that UD basketball has a storied history and AM is now a huge part of that history. And while history takes many years to be able to judge, he has firmly put himself in this storied history as one of the 3 most successful coaches. There's no shortage of love fest for the other 2. The fact I've had to wait almost 50 years for this string of successes we've had under AM should be answer enough as to why there's a heavy admiration for what he accomplished here.

The only reason I can think of that there's almost a polar opposite feeling toward AM is that some of us expected this to happen sometime soon and others felt that UD was so great of a place to coach that nobody in their right mind would take another coaching job elsewhere. Somehow that sentiment wasn't there when OP and BG left, my guess is because it was AM himself that made UD a much better job than it was before(not saying it wasn't a special job then, just that it's better now).

What I really don't like about this talk about leaving the cupboard bare is that it sets up for apologists for AG if things don't work out. The biased of him being an alumni is most likely going rare it's head a lot in the future. If AG goes 5 years without any string of success, there's going to be group on here that says "it's AM's fault for leaving when he did and AG is doing the best he can with the situation he was left with".
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I was hoping that someone was compiling all the nice pictures of Morgan in this thread and instead I stop in here and find the same crap that I am finding in every other thread. I might need to lower my expectations...
SC Flyer - 3 questions....

- how would you grade the state he left UD? "A" being O'Brien arriving..."F" being O'Brien leaving?

- How would you rate him in recruiting strategy, consistency and sustainability.

- If you were AM...would you guess that leaving in 2017 (at a well agreed relative high point)... is better than leaving after next year's rebuilding? Specially, would his stock price be as high next year as it is today?
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