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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer View Post
Well, Calipari is "very close" (in fact, possibly related) to the Millers, and he basically lobbied for Archie to get the IU job, so.....
So at least one person picked up on the subliminal suggestion...he IS in fact related to AM. Hate to say this (on second thought, I don't hate to say it...) but this reeks of JC's influence...
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John Miller seemed as surprised as anyone, but was/is that just Miller talk. We will see if AM walks the walk or just talk the talk.

Hard to believe if a University is all that Big of a program on the national level they'd have to poach or steal players from a mid major program. If you are aspiring to again be relevant in the national top 10 then act like it and get your own recruits.
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Wolfson was just having a convo with a friend of mine who's a journalist for the Xenia Post Gazzette. His comment was more opinion from all the crap we've all read. He probably got his fake news from reading all your speculative posts on UD Pride. :-)
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Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
All to often, when a coach leaves and a new coach is hired, you see the new coach cleaning house to make room for "his" recruits to follow him. See John Calipari (any place he's ever been) and watch his "actions". How completely unethical is that? Someone else suggested that players should be able to follow the coach when his coach leaves to take another job. That should only be allowed to happen without penalty if the new coach (in this case Dayton) tells the player he's been released from obligation. If Archie poaches players from UD, he'll destroy any legacy (and respect) that he's earned.
I have no problem with Calipari or anyone else coming in to a new situation, and being honest with the new guys regarding playing time. That strikes me as the ethical thing to do. Now, it does really suck though if a new coach comes in and says basically you are very unlikely to get playing time in his system as that essentially forces you to transfer and sit a year. But it is what it is.

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Well, Calipari is "very close" (in fact, possibly related) to the Millers, and he basically lobbied for Archie to get the IU job, so.....
You know I find myself not disliking Calipari quite as much. He's definitely slimy. And I still don't like him by any stretch but I think the guy is not all bad. Mostly bad, but not all bad. If there's one redeeming quality about that guy, I think it's loyalty to his guys. The Millers are his guys. He grew up with them. They are cousins or whatever. John Miller coached him. So he's going to bat for these (his) guys, no matter what.

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So at least one person picked up on the subliminal suggestion...he IS in fact related to AM. Hate to say this (on second thought, I don't hate to say it...) but this reeks of JC's influence...
Not sure what you are implying. That Calipari is trying to screw Dayton? Calipari couldn't care less what Dayton does. Dayton does not really pose a threat to how he operates. Conversely, Kentucky and Indiana are always going to do battle for recruits (and fans since their fanbases overlap). So there's really no reason for Calipari to endorse a candidate for the Indiana job. Except that it's one of his guys. If he loses a recruiting battle somewhere along the way because of it, so be it. He stuck up for a Miller because those are his guys.

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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
Would lose a lot of respect for Archie if he takes any recruits/players to Indiana. Just bad form.

If and when Dayton releases a player, I believe Dayton can say cannot sign with A-10, Indiana, etc. Not for sure here, would be curious.
Archie gets paid to win. If there's a kid out there he thinks can help him win, he will go after that kid. If he reached out to MW and offered him a spot, you may not like it, but it's business.

Archie is going to be on a short leash. I'm sure he'd rather get his guys in there ASAP then settle on someone else and endure a few bumpy years. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings at UD, he's worried about winning and being successful at Indiana. You can be sincere and honest in appreciating your time at UD while still understanding its a business and you get paid to win. If he gets fried from IU, 'being sincere abt his time at UD' won't get him anywhere.

If you switched jobs and were managing people, you'd want the best team in place to succeed day 1. Happens all the time in the real world. It doesn't happen often in college basketball because rarely are there kids who can play at the next level. How many kids on our roster were recruited by Indiana? That's why you didn't hear anything about Brad Brownell taking kids from WSU to Clemson or Kevin Keatts taking kids from UNC Wilmington to NC St.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer View Post
You know I find myself not disliking Calipari quite as much. He's definitely slimy. And I still don't like him by any stretch but I think the guy is not all bad. Mostly bad, but not all bad. If there's one redeeming quality about that guy, I think it's loyalty to his guys. The Millers are his guys. He grew up with them. John Miller coached him. And he's going to bat for these (his) guys, no matter what. Kentucky and Indiana are always going to do battle for recruits, and there's no reason for Calipari to endorse a candidate for the Indiana job. Except that it's one of his guys. If he loses a recruiting battle somewhere along the way because of it, so be it. He stuck up for his guy.

Great post. Loyalty appears to be one of his virtuous characteristics. And he wins. He knows how to win.

But all that seems to trump ethics in his world, and probably not the guy you want to "mentor" your school's coach, if you know what I mean. That's always been in the back of mind, that Archie is a fantastic coach, but he has some "Calipari" in him...
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If this is still a thread about McKinnley Wright, I though I would post that the DDN is reporting that if Ostrom is not hired, Wright is likely going to IU. Source is a Minnesota TV station.
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer View Post
Well, Calipari is "very close" (in fact, possibly related) to the Millers, and he basically lobbied for Archie to get the IU job, so.....
I always felt Archie was a standup guy that is as honest as the day is long.... and maybe he is... but if I step back and look at his ties to Calipari, Crean, the Harbaughs, ... not really outstanding basketball citizens in my book. Umm guilty by association???? just thinking out loud!
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Archie gets paid to win. If there's a kid out there he thinks can help him win, he will go after that kid. If he reached out to MW and offered him a spot, you may not like it, but it's business.

Archie is going to be on a short leash. I'm sure he'd rather get his guys in there ASAP then settle on someone else and endure a few bumpy years. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings at UD, he's worried about winning and being successful at Indiana. You can be sincere and honest in appreciating your time at UD while still understanding its a business and you get paid to win. If he gets fried from IU, 'being sincere abt his time at UD' won't get him anywhere.

If you switched jobs and were managing people, you'd want the best team in place to succeed day 1. Happens all the time in the real world. It doesn't happen often in college basketball because rarely are there kids who can play at the next level. How many kids on our roster were recruited by Indiana? That's why you didn't hear anything about Brad Brownell taking kids from WSU to Clemson or Kevin Keatts taking kids from UNC Wilmington to NC St.
You are forgetting one very important point. It is in violation of NCAA rules to contact a player who is under NLI with another school. If Miller contacted him directly or through surrogates he could be in trouble. He needs to stay away from recruits under NLI-period.
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I always felt Archie was a standup guy that is as honest as the day is long.... and maybe he is... but if I step back and look at his ties to Calipari, Crean, the Harbaughs, ... not really outstanding basketball citizens in my book. Umm guilty by association???? just thinking out loud!

Archie has ties to Crean and the Harbaughs?
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If this is still a thread about McKinnley Wright, I though I would post that the DDN is reporting that if Ostrom is not hired, Wright is likely going to IU. Source is a Minnesota TV station.
This is the same sourcing as noted above in this thread. It's not a new source saying this and the DDN has not talked to Wright. And they haven't talked to the original post guy in MN. I almost can't believe they would report this based on one source's Internet post. Back on my day of working for newspapers, we had to have two sources on something like this and we had to have actually talked to the person to count it as a source. It's one thing to retweet a post. It's another to write up an article and place it on your online newspaper paper front page.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
This is the same sourcing as noted above in this thread. It's not a new source saying this and the DDN has not talked to Wright. And they haven't talked to the original post guy in MN. I almost can't believe they would report this based on one source's Internet post. Back on my day of working for newspapers, we had to have two sources on something like this and we had to have actually talked to the person to count it as a source. It's one thing to retweet a post. It's another to write up an article and place it on your online newspaper paper front page.
You're forgetting one thing: The DDN is nowhere near the newspaper it once was. It does however burn very well in the fireplace...
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer View Post
John Miller seemed as surprised as anyone, but was/is that just Miller talk. We will see if AM walks the walk or just talk the talk.

Hard to believe if a University is all that Big of a program on the national level they'd have to poach or steal players from a mid major program. If you are aspiring to again be relevant in the national top 10 then act like it and get your own recruits.
It's not like Archie has a separate recruiting pipeline up and running - aside from the guys who already committed to Indiana that he is now re-recruiting. For Archie, success starts with the PG position, and McKinley was his number one target at that most important position. As the prevailing wisdom seems to be that McKinley Wright could play for just about anyone in the country, I don't blame him for wanting him. Archie shouldn't be going after him, but of all our recruits, the temptation is clearly greatest with him.
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Archie has ties to Crean and the Harbaughs?
Aside from the fact that he is taking over the program formerly coached by Tom Crean, who married a Harbaugh, not that I know of. He'll forever be compared to Crean though. Especially if Dayton managed to hire Crean!
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If all of the great things Miller has said about UD and his time here is true, and considering everything he has accomplished, he takes a serious risk of tarnishing it all if he is trying to poach Flyer recruits. Is it so important that he's not at all concerned about burning bridges that can never be repaired?
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Hard to believe they'd print a story based on one tweet. I haven't seen any such things come from mckinley himself. Even if he told this reporter such a thing, it doesn't confirm that Archie or anyone representing Archie has contacted mckinley wright. It could just be an 18 year old kid being confident. i.e. 'I'm sure archie would give me a spot at IU if i wanted it' type of thing.

You can't litigate this stuff through suggestions and third party hearsay tweets. Let this play out. I'm not saying MW will end up a Flyer or not. I'm just saying making accusations about he or archie committing recruiting violations won't help the UD cause. Everybody take a breath.
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I would ignore it. UD can eliminate IU with a sentence is the release. The guys he is wanting at IU are not going to translate to "from UD".
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The only person who has talked to Wright is the MN reporter. Of course we don't know what exactly was said, but where would this young man get the idea he was assured a spot at IU?
Again, this will play itself out, but the bottom line is no coach other the UD's staff should be currently talking with our recruits under NLI.
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McKinley knows he was Archie's number one priority so unless Archie went out of his way to tell him that he wouldn't have a spot, I can see why McKinley would think that.

My guess is Archie called each of his recruits to inform them before resigning at Dayton that he was taking the Indiana job. Now, put yourself in the recruit's position. You are going to ask Archie what options you have, and whether there would be a spot for you at Indiana if you were to be released from Dayton. Who knows exactly how Archie answered that, but anything but a firm "no" would probably be enough to put the thought in the recruits mind, there could be a spot for him.

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Archie starts his career at IU with a ncaa violations investigation?
No chance of NCAA investigation on this. As long as the contact was initiated while still the coach at Dayton, I don't think there's a recruiting violation there. But it really doesn't matter. Because Dayton is not going to complain about tampering, or call in the NCAA. What's done is done, and if they don't want McKinley to follow Archie, all they have to do is release McKinley with IU on the restricted list. That is literally why this rule exists. Dayton would probably give him a full release, with only Indiana as a restricted transfer option, and I don't think anyone would criticize Dayton for that. It's standing operating procedure.
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If a kid doesn't want to come here, I don't want him. Wright can stay a Flyer and I'll be happy, but if a kid would be happier elsewhere, then he should go. I don't think it's particularly sleazy. It's not like Archie is stealing University printers on his way out the door. These are humans who have minds of their own and if they want to go with the coach they built a relationship with, they should be free to go.
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It's not like Archie is stealing University printers on his way out the door.
If he wants the printers, he can have them. Please just leave the good recruits and release any questionable ones.
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You are forgetting one very important point. It is in violation of NCAA rules to contact a player who is under NLI with another school. If Miller contacted him directly or through surrogates he could be in trouble. He needs to stay away from recruits under NLI-period.
This is very simple folks. Archie and the other coaches who are interested in McKinley have contacted his HS or AAU coach and expressed their interest. There is no NCAA rule against this. The coach then told McKinley who he has spoken to and then McKinley told the reporter that info. McKinley probably should have just told the reporter "My coach told me a few schools have contacted him and I'm just waiting to see how everything plays out.", but he is an 18 year old HS student and was honest which was a mistake in this case.

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This is very simple folks. Archie and the other coaches who are interested in McKinley have contacted his HS or AAU coach and expressed their interest. There is no NCAA rule against this. The coach then told McKinley who he has spoken to and then McKinley told the reporter that info. McKinley probably should have just told the reporter "My coach told me a few schools have contacted him and I'm just waiting to see how everything plays out.", but he is an 18 year old HS student and was honest which was a mistake in this case.

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MW instagram this morning saying, Keeping Silent. Someone told him to shut up

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Good to see MK silent - he has a right to his opinion, however publicly stating he wants Ostrom as coach reeks of attempted Billy Staten control of our program.

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Good to see MK silent - he has a right to his opinion, however publicly stating he wants Ostrom as coach reeks of attempted Billy Staten control of our program.

And how about that tweet from that d-bag Wolfson: Let's make this nice and easy.

Please. Wolfsie can take his nice and easy and stick it where the sun don't shine. LOL
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Good to see MK silent - he has a right to his opinion, however publicly stating he wants Ostrom as coach reeks of attempted Billy Staten control of our program.

I want MK badly, but the world won't end without him.
Billy Staten was a grown ass man. McKinley Wright is an 18 year old kid, who just got thrown a curveball he didn't see coming. He doesn't know who Dayton is going to hire and he's worried about it just like we are all. He has a great relationship with one of the Dayton assistant coaches, and he wants that guy to be hired. Just like most of us have a first choice. It matters to us. But it REALLY matters to McKinley. Absolutely no reason to criticize him, even if he ultimately decides Dayton is no longer for him at some point.

Also, why are we abbreviating McKinley Wright as MK?
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And how about that tweet from that d-bag Wolfson: Let's make this nice and easy.

Please. Wolfsie can take his nice and easy and stick it where the sun don't shine. LOL
That's fair. He seems to have an agenda, and is meddling. He kind of compares to Billy Staten in this way if you really want to bring him into it, although still pretty different situations.
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Once again, John Calipari is not related to the Millers. Miller was his coach in high school and
remains a very close friend of the family. Per Calipari himself during an interview on CBS saying how well Archie will do at Hoosierville.

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Also, why are we abbreviating McKinley Wright as MK?
I've been wondering this exact same thing! I thought it was because Rollo wanted Matt Kavanaugh to be a graduate assistant coach.
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Good to see MK silent - he has a right to his opinion, however publicly stating he wants Ostrom as coach reeks of attempted Billy Staten control of our program.

I want MK badly, but the world won't end without him.
Disagree on the Staten comparison. If you know the history, UD, mainly through Ostrom, started recruiting MW almost 3 years ago. A close bond was formed and the young man wants to see if the coach who he formed a bond with will be the coach. Nothing more than that.
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If all of the great things Miller has said about UD and his time here is true, and considering everything he has accomplished, he takes a serious risk of tarnishing it all if he is trying to poach Flyer recruits. Is it so important that he's not at all concerned about burning bridges that can never be repaired?
He doesn't care about tarnishing anything. He cares about himself, his job and winning. I love what Archie did at UD but that is over. As far as I'm concerned he lit every bridge on fire when he left, he isn't coming back, he isn't looking out for Dayton, he is gone. I remember when people on this board thought it was sleezy the way Sean handled the X to AZ thing. How is this any different? I just don't get all the people who want to throw this guy an appreciation parade. He left because it was better for him, he may look back upon his time here fondly but there was no sense of loyalty, no "what will happen to UD if I go" consideration. He did what was best for him. He is no longer the coach at UD and has no loyalty to UD which is why I don't understand why so many people feel like we/they should be loyal to him.

If he committed an NCAA violation, I hope the NCAA burns him and Indiana to the ground. This is a dirty business and while it may upset me, I won't complain about the stuff that is ugly but above board. I will however insist that the NCAA punish all violations to the fullest extent possible, especially when it is their flagship programs that are dealing dirty.
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Disagree on the Staten comparison. If you know the history, UD, mainly through Ostrom, started recruiting MW almost 3 years ago. A close bond was formed and the young man wants to see if the coach who he formed a bond with will be the coach. Nothing more than that.

That's fine, but publicly making threats like "hire him or else" is over the line. Maybe not necessarily from MW (I don't follow twitter accounts from high school kids), but from guys like Wolfson. It's simply inappropriate, but if you all pucker up real good, Wolfsie's gonna make this real nice and easy for you...

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That's fine, but publicly making threats like "hire him or else" is over the line. Maybe not necessarily from MW (I don't follow twitter accounts from high school kids), but from guys like Wolfson. It's simply inappropriate, but if you all pucker up real good, Wolfsie's gonna make this real nice and easy for you...
I didn't take it as hire Ostrum or else. I took it more as he would definitely stay if that coach was picked. I know its semantics, but it's different.
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I didn't take it as hire Ostrum or else. I took it more as he would definitely stay if that coach was picked. I know its semantics, but it's different.
Doesn't sound like Ostrom is even on the radar for serious HC role, but he could very well assume the associate HC tag and perhaps that keeps MWright at Dayton.
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I didn't take it as hire Ostrum or else. I took it more as he would definitely stay if that coach was picked. I know its semantics, but it's different.

Still don't like the public politicking, however you want to spin it. These things should be done more privately. Right now the top story at DDN is: Archie Miller May Take Top Recruit With Him To Indiana.
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It doesn't sound to me like he is even saying Ostrom has to be HEAD Coach. Just HIS coach. As in as long as Ostrom stays, even as just an assistant, he was good with that.
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That's exactly what Jimmy Binnie said about Trent Meacham.
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Doesn't sound like Ostrom is even on the radar for serious HC role, but he could very well assume the associate HC tag and perhaps that keeps MWright at Dayton.
If Sullivan can pull the Kuwik head coach and Ostrom associate head coach deal off I would be impressed. I think the only way it gets pulled off is if they pay Ostrom at least 500k which would be a lot for an A10 assistant, but since Kuwik would only be making (800k-1million?) which is less than Archie UD could afford it. For some reference Kenny Payne the top assistant at Kentucky made 750k this year and will make 800k next year.
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For those interested, here is the interview with MW. http://kstp.com/sports/mckinley-wrig...tball/4437405/
Seems like a very nice young man.
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For those interested, here is the interview with MW. http://kstp.com/sports/mckinley-wrig...tball/4437405/
Seems like a very nice young man.
Sounds like a nice kid and carries himself well.

The reporter sounds like a typical jock sniffing douche bag!!!
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Doesn't sound like Ostrom is even on the radar for serious HC role, but he could very well assume the associate HC tag and perhaps that keeps MWright at Dayton.
Apparently you haven't seen the BR tweet. Even if you haven't I'm not sure where this comes from, as many people on this board and in the media have expressed the possibility of an assistant like Ostrum or Kuwik getting bumped up to HC.
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For those interested, here is the interview with MW. http://kstp.com/sports/mckinley-wrig...tball/4437405/
Seems like a very nice young man.
Very impressive. Handles himself extremely well. We need that type of person/player at Dayton!
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This MW thing has so many ramifications now. If he does consider staying, does he now demand playing time? Starter minutes?

Wonder how John Crosby feels about all of this. Bowing to MW's preferences, could mean he will want to jump ship. While I doubt very seriously if that's what they will be doing if they hired Ostrom, it still puts a question mark in a lot of people's minds. There's a chance no matter how this all works out, we might only have one point guard next year.

This is why MW should've just kept his mouth shut to begin with.
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This MW thing has so many ramifications now. If he does consider staying, does he now demand playing time? Starter minutes?

Wonder how John Crosby feels about all of this. Bowing to MW's preferences, could mean he will want to jump ship. While I doubt very seriously if that's what they will be doing if they hired Ostrom, it still puts a question mark in a lot of people's minds. There's a chance no matter how this all works out, we might only have one point guard next year.

This is why MW should've just kept his mouth shut to begin with.
This is the problem with message boards. People take what someone says and totally twist the meaning. Then they go on and speculate over their twisting someones words. For instance, now you are talking about him demanding starters minutes and bowing to MW's preferences.

If they hire Ostrom, it is not to keep 1 recruit. It is because they feel he is the best for the job. Period, case closed. None of those other things are even being considered and shouldn't be speculated about.

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This MW thing has so many ramifications now. If he does consider staying, does he now demand playing time? Starter minutes?

Wonder how John Crosby feels about all of this. Bowing to MW's preferences, could mean he will want to jump ship. While I doubt very seriously if that's what they will be doing if they hired Ostrom, it still puts a question mark in a lot of people's minds. There's a chance no matter how this all works out, we might only have one point guard next year.

This is why MW should've just kept his mouth shut to begin with.
Maybe Crosby will work on his weaknesses more...j/k, no I am not. MW is 18, his head has to be spinning...coached to keep quiet and is now. The kid is player of the year in MN, blessed with crazy skills. Obviously he grew tight with Ostrom and wants him to be around. I get it and have zero issue with this learning experience. Ostrom and Kuwik should be rewarded, not for a particular recruit, but for everything they've done, including multiple recruits.
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Apparently you haven't seen the BR tweet. Even if you haven't I'm not sure where this comes from, as many people on this board and in the media have expressed the possibility of an assistant like Ostrum or Kuwik getting bumped up to HC.
Most of the media I have seen, and on this board particularly, have only suggested Kuwik as an elevation option. I don't think I have seen a single suggestion outside this board (I guess there's a BR tweet) and certainly not in the mainstream media that has mentioned Ostrom's name.
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Most of the media I have seen, and on this board particularly, have only suggested Kuwik as an elevation option. I don't think I have seen a single suggestion outside this board (I guess there's a BR tweet) and certainly not in the mainstream media that has mentioned Ostrom's name.
Not saying it's Breitbart but...

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Most of the media I have seen, and on this board particularly, have only suggested Kuwik as an elevation option. I don't think I have seen a single suggestion outside this board (I guess there's a BR tweet) and certainly not in the mainstream media that has mentioned Ostrom's name.
Mark Adams is about the only guy I've seen really hyping Kuwik as far as media goes. I definitely think Ostrom is getting the most hype of the internal candidates among media types. You've got that D-Bag Wolfson, who is a sports anchor in Minneapolis. Then you've got all these craptacular coaching candidate articles like this one from something called Hero Sports... http://herosports.com/news/archie-mi...ent-coach-ahah listing Ostrom and Allen Griffin as candidates. They don't know who Kevin Kuwik is apparently.

EDIT - Forgot about that Hoopdirt posting. Another good example of media all in on Ostrom, no mention of Kuwik.
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This MW thing has so many ramifications now. If he does consider staying, does he now demand playing time? Starter minutes?

Wonder how John Crosby feels about all of this. Bowing to MW's preferences, could mean he will want to jump ship. While I doubt very seriously if that's what they will be doing if they hired Ostrom, it still puts a question mark in a lot of people's minds. There's a chance no matter how this all works out, we might only have one point guard next year.

This is why MW should've just kept his mouth shut to begin with.
There's a bunch of references to this above that you must have missed, but it doesn't appear that MW is any way dictating, requesting or threatening anything based on his commitment and the potential head coach.

To suggest he's the kind of player who will start demanding certain minutes or starting is really jumping to some conclusions based on a tweet from a guy who appears to have had some kind of dialogue with the recruit.

Bowing to MW's preferences? That's not what's going on. Sorry, but posts like this are uniformed and making it worse.
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Mark Adams is about the only guy I've seen really hyping Kuwik as far as media goes. I definitely think Ostrom is getting the most hype of the internal candidates among media types. You've got that D-Bag Wolfson, who is a sports anchor in Minneapolis. Then you've got all these craptacular coaching candidate articles like this one from something called Hero Sports... http://herosports.com/news/archie-mi...ent-coach-ahah listing Ostrom and Allen Griffin as candidates. They don't know who Kevin Kuwik is apparently.

EDIT - Forgot about that Hoopdirt posting. Another good example of media all in on Ostrom, no mention of Kuwik.
Yet our own board has an entire thread for Kuwik?
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Yet our own board has an entire thread for Kuwik?
Well, yes. But so does Ray Parker...
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IndianaRivals‏ @IndianaRivals 35m35 minutes ago

Via @JWellsTH, Archie Miller hopes Dayton signee stays put ($)
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Short and sweet, he hopes McKinley honors his LOI to UD
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IndianaRivals‏ @IndianaRivals 35m35 minutes ago

Via @JWellsTH, Archie Miller hopes Dayton signee stays put ($)
https://twitter.com/IndianaRivals/st...01707749326851

Short and sweet, he hopes McKinley honors his LOI to UD
Does anyone really believe this? Chances are much better of him landing at Indiana than it is at UD. More coach speak.
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Does anyone really believe this? Chances are much better of him landing at Indiana than it is at UD. More coach speak.
We'll see... I do think it is coach speak
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IndianaRivals‏ @IndianaRivals 35m35 minutes ago

Via @JWellsTH, Archie Miller hopes Dayton signee stays put ($)
https://twitter.com/IndianaRivals/st...01707749326851

Short and sweet, he hopes McKinley honors his LOI to UD
Saw that too. Couldn't read the thread/link, since it's subscription based, to see if there was an actual quote from Archie or not. I'm not even sure Archie is allowed to specifically comment on a recruit that is under another LOI.

Either way, it's nice to hear, and can put to rest those who were ready to jump on Archie for "poaching".

Let the dust settle and the facts/details come out before rendering any kind of verdict on Archie, MW, etc.
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Well, yes. But so does Ray Parker...
Correct, but I was only taking the Kuwik thread seriously. Pretty sure that Ray Parker thread hasn't had much activity since it opened.
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Saw that too. Couldn't read the thread/link, since it's subscription based, to see if there was an actual quote from Archie or not. I'm not even sure Archie is allowed to specifically comment on a recruit that is under another LOI.

Either way, it's nice to hear, and can put to rest those who were ready to jump on Archie for "poaching".

Let the dust settle and the facts/details come out before rendering any kind of verdict on Archie, MW, etc.
Did he have no choice but to say this because an IU affiliate already reached out to McKinley informing him he's in if he wants it?.....hmmmmm.
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Does anyone really believe this? Chances are much better of him landing at Indiana than it is at UD. More coach speak.
Archie: Hey McKinley! It's me Archie.

McKinley: What's up coach?

Archie: Shhhh, we're not supposed to be talking, REMEMBER!

McKinley: Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry about what I said to that reporter guy.

Archie: Yeah, I know. But don't worry about it. I got a plan. I'm gonna do this interview and say that I want you to honor your commitment to Dayton.

McKinley: Wait, you want me to do what?

Archie: No, of course I want you to come to Indiana, but that's our little secret dude. I've got to throw everybody off first so that those morons at Dayton will give you a release and not block you going to Indiana.

McKinley: But I'm going to Indiana with you, right?

Archie: Shh, shh, not so loud man. SECRET, remember!

McKinley: Got it.

Archie: Just stop talking to that Wolfson clown, okay. Do not answer any questions from Wolfson. Unless it's Tracy Wolfson. If it's Tracy Wolfson, you can give her my number. But don't tell Morgan.

McKinley: Got it.

Archie: Good. Gotta go. Talk later.

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Archie: Hey McKinley! It's me Archie.

McKinley: What's up coach?

Archie: Shhhh, we're not supposed to be talking, REMEMBER!

McKinley: Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry about what I said to that reporter guy.

Archie: Yeah, I know. But don't worry about it. I got a plan. I'm gonna do this interview and say that I want you to honor your commitment to Dayton.

McKinley: Wait, you want me to do what?

Archie: No, of course I want you to come to Indiana, but that's our little secret dude. I've got to throw everybody off first so that those morons at Dayton will give you a release and not block you going to Indiana.

McKinley: But I'm going to Indiana with you, right?

Archie: Shh, shh, not so loud man. SECRET, remember!

McKinley: Got it.

Archie: Just stop talking to that Wolfson clown, okay. Do not answer any questions from Wolfson. Unless it's Tracy Wolfson. If it's Tracy Wolfson, you can give her my number. But don't tell Morgan.

McKinley: Got it.

Archie: Good. Gotta go. Talk later.

McKinley: Thanks Coach.
Have to admit it was kind of boring and mundane until I got to the line about Tracy Wolfson and it made it all worth it.
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There's a bunch of references to this above that you must have missed, but it doesn't appear that MW is any way dictating, requesting or threatening anything based on his commitment and the potential head coach.

To suggest he's the kind of player who will start demanding certain minutes or starting is really jumping to some conclusions based on a tweet from a guy who appears to have had some kind of dialogue with the recruit.

Bowing to MW's preferences? That's not what's going on. Sorry, but posts like this are uniformed and making it worse.
I'm talking about how it can be perceived or other small factors. What if Ostrom never was JC's guy? What if JC gets displaced as a starter based on merit but he sees it as favoritism. If MW likes Ostrom but finds himself not getting the minutes he thought he would've? After one season(knowing that JC comes back for a senior season), he just walks after this season not before.

I'm not saying that all those things are going to happen but by MW opening up about who he prefers as coach was not constructive in any way and could only cause harm. There is only two reasons that he tweeted those things. One is he's just being honest and doesn't know when saying nothing is better than speaking the truth and the other is he wants to plug for his guy.
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Have to admit it was kind of boring and mundane until I got to the line about Tracy Wolfson and it made it all worth it.
Archie is only interested in Alli Laforce. I'm pretty sure I saw Morgan give her a death stare every time she interviewed Archie.
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MW didn't tweet those things. It was an interview with a MN reporter. The reporter then tweeted. You can view the interview as I posted the link above.
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Archie is only interested in Alli Laforce. I'm pretty sure I saw Morgan give her a death stare every time she interviewed Archie.
That's why Morgan can't know about Tracy. She's still mad about Allie.
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I'm talking about how it can be perceived or other small factors. What if Ostrom never was JC's guy? What if JC gets displaced as a starter based on merit but he sees it as favoritism. If MW likes Ostrom but finds himself not getting the minutes he thought he would've? After one season(knowing that JC comes back for a senior season), he just walks after this season not before.

I'm not saying that all those things are going to happen but by MW opening up about who he prefers as coach was not constructive in any way and could only cause harm. There is only two reasons that he tweeted those things. One is he's just being honest and doesn't know when saying nothing is better than speaking the truth and the other is he wants to plug for his guy.
You're still missing the point, not reading the post(s) in its entirety or just misunderstood. MW didn't tweet those things. TA111 mentions it above too and it's been posted about 5 other times in this thread. You're painting a picture of both the situation and MW that really doesn't exist and is kind of unfair.
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Did you watch the interview? He definitely said live on tv he hopes Ostrom gets the job and he's not sure if he will reopen his recruitment or not. He also said that he was told that he has a spot with Indiana if he wants it. Straight from the horse's mouth. So who cares who tweeted it, MW said it.
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Did you watch the interview? He definitely said live on tv he hopes Ostrom gets the job and he's not sure if he will reopen his recruitment or not. He also said that he was told that he has a spot with Indiana if he wants it. Straight from the horse's mouth. So who cares who tweeted it, MW said it.
Sure he did, after the reporter asked him about the relationship. What the heck do you expect him to say? The young man was asked a question and answered it. So what? Some here are making this something it's not.
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Seems somewhat relevant, as Minnesota (G) Ahmad Gilbert is transferring. Not sure what their ship situation was before, but it appears one is now open.
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Gilbert is a 6-6 small forward, maybe capable of playing the 2. Gophers signed top 100 (No. 64) Isaiah Washington (Mr. Basketball in New York) who is a pure point guard. Not sure McKinley would want to play behind him.
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Neil and Spina's job is to hire the most qualified person for the job, not appease a recruit or two on Twitter. That's blackmail. They wont give that stuff one fleeting second of their concern. If the job ends up going to an assistant, I would not read into it any further than that -- they were the best person for the job.

This is a potential 10-15yr decision. Now is not the time to be myopic about it and focus only on the curve down the road you can see. Many miles of asphalt beyond that first curve. Cant win the race in turn 1.

I trust we will get a good coach. Its probably the most high profile job opening right now outside of Georgetown. Will the hire make everyone happy? Not hardly. There were dissenters when Archie was hired. In fact, for the first two seasons there were numerous, vocal ones.
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Back to MW. Archie was on the Dan Dakich radio show today and said about Mckinley "I hope he goes to Dayton". Now does he mean it? Who knows, but he did say it. I expect 10 immediate responses that Archie is liar. Don't blame me I just figured people would want to hear it. Listen to the link below. I didn't want to transcribe the whole 30 second clip.

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Based on that interview it seems to me like the "he has a spot at IU" garbage was just that, garbage.
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I think Archie has been as honest and forthright as he can be in this whole process (realizing that some degree of 'covertness' is necessary in his situation). That said, I believe he honestly hopes that McKinley winds-up at UD. And, frankly, I hope he does, too. But whatever his decision, I wish nothing but the best for the young man. God bless you, young man.
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This is a potential 10-15yr decision.
Or maybe just a 6 year one.
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Or maybe just a 6 year one.
I'll have my pitchfork out and ready to go by year 3.
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McKinley's Interview Hear His Own Words Regarding Ostrom and Indiana

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At the end of the day I think we all want the best person qualified for the job! If there is one thing I have learned and that I am still learning is not to judge others. The reason being is that we usually don't know all the facts!

I have been a fan of McKinley Wright ever since he and Theo John had their news conference in the Champlin Park gym and he made his intentions known to get an education and to take his basketball skills to the University of Dayton. I immediately went to You Tube and watched every video that was out there so I could see first hand his considerable talents. At the end of his junior season Champlin Park was defeated in the final game by Apple Valley and, in an interview he stated that he wanted to reverse that outcome in this his senior year.

Last Saturday, just before his pregame meal, he was told by an assistant coach that Archie Miller had accepted the Indiana University job! He said he couldn't eat! To make matters worse the Champlin Park team, after 30+ wins in a row lost again to Apple Valley 60-54 in the State Championship game! Talk about a domino effect!!!!

Today, Archie was on the Dan Dakich radio show and said about McKinley Wright, "I hope he goes to Dayton". I hope he does too as I know we all do! Most importantly I hope we get a new coach, whether it be a current assistant or not, who can continue to make UD basketball a household name and continue to make us proud to be fans!
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One of the things that struck me about all of our recruits, at least that I could tell, is that they all seem to be high character as well as great basketball players. I hope they still come to UD, but wish them well wherever they may end up.
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That's why you didn't hear anything about Brad Brownell taking kids from WSU to Clemson or Kevin Keatts taking kids from UNC Wilmington to NC St.
Brownell took 1 incoming WSU recruit with him to Clemson.
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Brian Gregory stole no one because he is a better man than basketball coach. Unfortunately for him, integrity doesn't show up in the stat sheet.
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Brownell took 1 incoming WSU recruit with him to Clemson.
I wanted to look this up to be sure.

Cory Stanton...Brownell's first signee at Clemson...signed with WSU originally...got his release from WSU and went to Clemson.



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"Cory is a kid I've known for a long time," Brownell said. "He's a very talented guard. He's got good quickness and athleticism. He's a pretty good outside shooter. He's a scoring point guard that has an infectious personality. He's a hard worker. In my opinion, he will be a leader of this program in the future because of his personality and his drive to be successful. We're lucky to have him."

Stanton, a 5-foot-11 guard who originally signed with Wright State...
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At the end of the day I think we all want the best person qualified for the job! If there is one thing I have learned and that I am still learning is not to judge others. The reason being is that we usually don't know all the facts!

I have been a fan of McKinley Wright ever since he and Theo John had their news conference in the Champlin Park gym and he made his intentions known to get an education and to take his basketball skills to the University of Dayton. I immediately went to You Tube and watched every video that was out there so I could see first hand his considerable talents. At the end of his junior season Champlin Park was defeated in the final game by Apple Valley and, in an interview he stated that he wanted to reverse that outcome in this his senior year.

Last Saturday, just before his pregame meal, he was told by an assistant coach that Archie Miller had accepted the Indiana University job! He said he couldn't eat! To make matters worse the Champlin Park team, after 30+ wins in a row lost again to Apple Valley 60-54 in the State Championship game! Talk about a domino effect!!!!

Today, Archie was on the Dan Dakich radio show and said about McKinley Wright, "I hope he goes to Dayton". I hope he does too as I know we all do! Most importantly I hope we get a new coach, whether it be a current assistant or not, who can continue to make UD basketball a household name and continue to make us proud to be fans!
My question is why would a asst coach tell a player before a big game about Archie going to Indiana, at pregame meal
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My question is why would a asst coach tell a player before a big game about Archie going to Indiana, at pregame meal
The opposing team was chanting "Indiana" during the game. Would that have been a better way to find out?
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Brian Gregory stole no one because he is a better man than basketball coach. Unfortunately for him, integrity doesn't show up in the stat sheet.
BG offered Percy Gibson after a scholarship at GA Tech. Gibson ended up following assistant coach Cornell Mann to Iowa State (and later to Oakland).
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BG offered Percy Gibson after a scholarship at GA Tech. Gibson ended up following assistant coach Cornell Mann to Iowa State (and later to Oakland).
Still a waaaay better man than a BB coach.....lol
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I'm guessing the IU has a spot if I want it statement in which he said someone from IU talked to one of his AAU coaches must be true because these AAU guys are all so upstanding and honest and are only out for the kids best interest and are not self serving individuals at all. ;-)
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I'm guessing the IU has a spot if I want it statement in which he said someone from IU talked to one of his AAU coaches must be true because these AAU guys are all so upstanding and honest and are only out for the kids best interest and are not self serving individuals at all. ;-)
You mean all those AAU coaches don't just love basketball and enjoy "coaching" basketball for free?
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It doesn't sound to me like he is even saying Ostrom has to be HEAD Coach. Just HIS coach. As in as long as Ostrom stays, even as just an assistant, he was good with that.
I am a member of a couple of the Indiana premium sites. Its pretty well accepted that Archie will hire him if he doesn't become Dayton's head coach.

Given this, I can't see any path of keeping Wright without Ostrom becoming head coach, regardless of whether than was an ultimatum (I don't think it was) or not.

About the only thing UD could do is not release him to Indiana, but given the spring period makes average guys into Michael Jordan due to the lack of supply, I'd imagine the UK's of the world would become involved (even if they figured he'd end up transferring)
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Glad to see DDN changed its " Wright might follow Miller to Indiana" headline to "Archie Miller hopes MW sticks with Dayton" headline and edited their story to now include a long quote from Miller saying just that backed up with MW is a signed Dayton recruit and it's not AMs job to recruit him to Indiana.
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BTW- I'm ok with MW it he backs out of his UD LOI. I don't like it but if he was here only for "a" coach, he's not really here for the right reasons. I think the UD experience would be all that other former players said it would be. I think he'd really enjoy the fan/UD arena experience. But life will go on without him, see Staten and Meachum...
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BTW- I'm ok with MW it he backs out of his UD LOI. I don't like it but if he was here only for "a" coach, he's not really here for the right reasons. I think the UD experience would be all that other former players said it would be. I think he'd really enjoy the fan/UD arena experience. But life will go on without him, see Staten and Meachum...
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Yeah, all that sounds good, but got news for you, if the coach didn't play a big part in his choosing UD, he's in a very tiny minority. If players' main concern was the college experience rather than the basketball program, colleges would only have to count on their marketing department to sell recruits.

As for other former players saying the UD experience is all that, how many of them have any other college experiences to compare it to? Most students who spend 4 year at the same college would tell you that they wouldn't trade the experience for anything. That's not unique to UD.

The best players want the most compatible coaches. Nothing wrong with that because I'm not satisfied with a program full of happy campers that don't win.
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Yeah, all that sounds good, but got news for you, if the coach didn't play a big part in his choosing UD, he's in a very tiny minority. If players' main concern was the college experience rather than the basketball program, colleges would only have to count on their marketing department to sell recruits.

As for other former players saying the UD experience is all that, how many of them have any other college experiences to compare it to? Most students who spend 4 year at the same college would tell you that they wouldn't trade the experience for anything. That's not unique to UD.

The best players want the most compatible coaches. Nothing wrong with that because I'm not satisfied with a program full of happy campers that don't win.
Yep. People who say "we really don't want him if he's here just for the coach" are just ****ed off. Got news for you(not really you) but right or wrong when a coach recruits a kid he can sell him all day on the school, the pretty girls, the great educational programs, tremendous happy hours, great pizza parlors,etc. but it's THAT coach that tells him how great he's going to make that player, how many NCAA appearances that kid can lead the team to, and how "said" coach can get that player to the next level..

It's pretty impressionable to have a coach you see on TV all the time, making 3 mm a year, wearing $2500.00 suits, sitting on your favorite recliner and THAT coach telling you how great you are and you're the missing piece.

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Gilbert is a 6-6 small forward, maybe capable of playing the 2. Gophers signed top 100 (No. 64) Isaiah Washington (Mr. Basketball in New York) who is a pure point guard. Not sure McKinley would want to play behind him.
Had nothing to do with position. Just pointing out that a scholarship was now open an Minnesota. Thought I made that pretty clear in the initial post.
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I am a member of a couple of the Indiana premium sites. Its pretty well accepted that Archie will hire him if he doesn't become Dayton's head coach.

Given this, I can't see any path of keeping Wright without Ostrom becoming head coach, regardless of whether than was an ultimatum (I don't think it was) or not.
I got it all worked out in the Who's Up Next thread! The Billy Donovan Circle of Influence theory! Donovan's been a mentor to both Anthony Grant and Tom Ostrom. Reasonable to think Ostrom's loyalty will be to Archie, but a little nudge from Billy D telling Tom he should stay on staff at UD under Grant for a year or two to keep the momentum (and recruiting class) might do the trick. Just depends whether Tom Ostrom fancies an NBA gig. Donovan can find him one here in a year or two if he's willing to go with Grant.

It's a winding, circuitous route with leaps of reasoning and plenty of obstacles but if you're willing to subscribe to the theory, there's totally a path to hiring Grant AND keeping Ostrom/Wright!
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I got it all worked out in the Who's Up Next thread! The Billy Donovan Circle of Influence theory! Donovan's been a mentor to both Anthony Grant and Tom Ostrom. Reasonable to think Ostrom's loyalty will be to Archie, but a little nudge from Billy D telling Tom he should stay on staff at UD under Grant for a year or two to keep the momentum (and recruiting class) might do the trick. Just depends whether Tom Ostrom fancies an NBA gig. Donovan can find him one here in a year or two if he's willing to go with Grant.

It's a winding, circuitous route with leaps of reasoning and plenty of obstacles but if you're willing to subscribe to the theory, there's totally a path to hiring Grant AND keeping Ostrom/Wright!
This sounds like a WIN:WIN:WIN situation. Love the idea even if it is only fantasy.
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This sounds like a WIN:WIN:WIN situation. Love the idea even if it is only fantasy.
Probably should have worked Tracy Wolfson or Alli LaForce in there somewhere.
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First of all- he hasn't made his decision. Secondly, again, see Staten and Meachum (one persons loss is anothers gain)- life goes on... Thirdly, we have several other incoming players.

I may be ****ed as I was with Staten and Meachum, however-our record still ended up good without them...so we'll survive. Real disappointment belongs to AM and the belief that he was here to create a dynasty. I guess I should have known better but he kept saying all the right things. So again, how do we know what the next coach will do? I doubt its a JOB experience agan. But if it is, at least I'll know how to process it.
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