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Old 04-01-2017, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
If the Minnesota article was correct (it later was modified) that Wright was told that he had a place at IU if he wanted it, some different possibilities exist. If Archie was still under contract at Dayton, you have breach of contract and fiduciary duty issue. If Archie was under a MOU or contract at Indiana, you have a recruiting violation. There could be other possibilities and again this assumes the article was correct. It is unlikely IMHO but not implausible that Wright created the story that he had a spot at IU if he wanted it.

Also when Archie was on the radio interview and asked about Wright, he pushed Dayton too much. I was reminded of a Shakespeare quote, doth protest too much (when you protest too much, it is probably true). My PURE SPECULATION (and I cannot emphasize enough this is speculation with no factual basis or evidence) is that Archie heard of the article, now is trying to backtrack, and will not offer Wright as he does not want to start his tenure at IU with a recruiting violation investigation.

I think you hit this right on the head. The interview you mention was done by Dan Dakich. He actually was the one who brought up Mckinley Wright, and Archie replied that he should stay at Dayton. I believe that Archie asked him to bring it up so that he could make a public statement to cover his butt, since Wright had tweeted that he had an offer to go to Indiana. That is a CLEAR violation. Now maybe Dakich brought it up randomly on his own, I doubt it . While we really want MW here at Dayton, to a Big 10 snob like Dakich he is a measly 3 star recruit who isnt IU material. Just my opinion
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
Popped out to a couple Indiana websites. They have 16 players on their roster for next year. All returning from last year. Plus it looks like 3 new recruits coming in. One of those is a 3-star guard ranked as 3-star by all the ranking sources. That's 19 players on next year's roster. Im not sure there is any openings for any of our recruits.
I talked my father in law who has season tickets to IU basketball. There are no openings for players at IU. Tom Crean always had more than 13 guys committed and if necessary would force some out. Archie has more commits than openings so even if some recommit he can't offer any openings. I say there is zero risk of Archie taking recruits. They may end up elsewhere.
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I'm not saying I'm correct but I don't think UD wants a disgruntled player or one which doesn't want to be here. I understand the signed NLOI but there are extenuating circumstances and each case is handled differently by any University. No one can say the rug wasn't pulled from beneath their/his feet when Archie left. I think UD grants the release in that regard. A 17-yr-old isn't above going juco for one year to land the better gig the following year. So the threat is there.
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It's hard for me to believe Archie and Wright had a privy discussion where Archie didn't make sure that he'd not say anything, to anyone. Archie knows that's a clear violation if MW did in fact repeat what was told him. No way Archie doesn't make sure the player stays shush. No way.
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If Archie wants a PG I would imagine Tremont Waters who got released from Georgetown or the UConn PG who just got released would be up there on the list for him
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Don't be so sure.

I just counted. IU is right at 13 guys on scholarship right now. Moore and Dunham got their releases, but want Archie to re-recruit them.

All it takes is one more guy leaving in order to make room for MW or one of the other UD recruits.


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Are we really speculating what Archie told Dan Dakich what questions to ask him????
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Are we really speculating what Archie told Dan Dakich what questions to ask him????
It appears that is what is happening.

But I'm pretty sure I'm not going to offer up any serious thoughts or opinions until I see what players enroll at UD in August.

Until then I will continue to believe that UD should have hired Ray Harper.

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I keep waiting for these Ray Harper jokes to not be funny but it hasn't happened yet.
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
Are we really speculating what Archie told Dan Dakich what questions to ask him????
Well, the other option would be that Dakich( on the Indiana radio station he works for with Indiana fans all across the hoosier state listening) brought it up because it was on every Hoosier fans mind about whether he would follow Archie to IU. I kind of doubt that. When sports talk guys interview someone, they ask questions they feel has some interest to their listening audience.

From what I can tell, IU fans could care less about Mckinley Wright. The general consensus from fans on their boards is that Archie should be going after much better options than a 3 star from Minnesota. Their opinion, not mine.

Of course, another possibility is that Wright was making up the whole thing about an offer to IU.

Either way, I doubt he ends up at IU or UD now anyway. Knowing our luck he will probably wind up at Xavier and lead them to a **** Final Four
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I keep waiting for these Ray Harper jokes to not be funny but it hasn't happened yet.
Until you went into a full-court press. Somebody'll cough it up. I'm not touching it now. Too much pressure..
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Well, the other option would be that Dakich( on the Indiana radio station he works for with Indiana fans all across the hoosier state listening) brought it up because it was on every Hoosier fans mind about whether he would follow Archie to IU. I kind of doubt that. When sports talk guys interview someone, they ask questions they feel has some interest to their listening audience.

From what I can tell, IU fans could care less about Mckinley Wright. The general consensus from fans on their boards is that Archie should be going after much better options than a 3 star from Minnesota. Their opinion, not mine.

Of course, another possibility is that Wright was making up the whole thing about an offer to IU.

Either way, I doubt he ends up at IU or UD now anyway. Knowing our luck he will probably wind up at Xavier and lead them to a **** Final Four
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Originally Posted by joeybaloney View Post
Well, the other option would be that Dakich( on the Indiana radio station he works for with Indiana fans all across the hoosier state listening) brought it up because it was on every Hoosier fans mind about whether he would follow Archie to IU. I kind of doubt that. When sports talk guys interview someone, they ask questions they feel has some interest to their listening audience.

From what I can tell, IU fans could care less about Mckinley Wright. The general consensus from fans on their boards is that Archie should be going after much better options than a 3 star from Minnesota. Their opinion, not mine.

Of course, another possibility is that Wright was making up the whole thing about an offer to IU.

Either way, I doubt he ends up at IU or UD now anyway. Knowing our luck he will probably wind up at Xavier and lead them to a **** Final Four
Probably more like one of MW's AAU coaches/handlers told him that because that's what they do.

And probably more like MW was recently named Mr. Basketball in the state of Minnesota and his stock has risen since he committed to UD so a sports talk host like Dakich would ask that question because it has relevance, regardless of what IU fans think.
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Why do the Oregon cheerleaders all have 'The Ray' tattoos on their legs? Never noticed that before...
The Ducks cheerleaders can do whatever they want in my opinion.

Taylor Agost playing volleyball for them and singing the national anthem makes the ducks okay with me.



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If any recruit signed their NLI, Dayton would have to grant a release for them to transfer and become immediately eligible. No way should Dayton let a recruit out of their NLI to sign with Indiana.
I disagree. These are 18 year old kids who, they believe, were recruited to play by and for a particular coach. Other than spite, it doesn't do the university any good to not release him.

If you decide not to release a kid from his NLI, he could well decide to show up and go through the motions that first year since when he transfers he'll have to sit out a year, anyway. That uses up a scholarship that could be used for someone who wants to play and could easily poison the locker room. Not worth the risk IMO.
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I disagree. These are 18 year old kids who, they believe, were recruited to play by and for a particular coach. Other than spite, it doesn't do the university any good to not release him.

If you decide not to release a kid from his NLI, he could well decide to show up and go through the motions that first year since when he transfers he'll have to sit out a year, anyway. That uses up a scholarship that could be used for someone who wants to play and could easily poison the locker room. Not worth the risk IMO.
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You gotta release them or else they'll likely prep for a year & the residual damage isn't worth it for a kid who doesn't want to be there
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Probably more like one of MW's AAU coaches/handlers told him that because that's what they do.

And probably more like MW was recently named Mr. Basketball in the state of Minnesota and his stock has risen since he committed to UD so a sports talk host like Dakich would ask that question because it has relevance, regardless of what IU fans think.
This is the most credible guess on what happened to cause MW to say what he did.
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He is likely not going to IU...............

“McKinley is obvious signed with Dayton and he’s a fantastic player,’’ Miller said. “He’s the Minnesota state player of the year and I hope he goes to Dayton. He went to Dayton for the right reasons. And I’ll probably leave it at that because my job isn’t to recruit him anywhere else. He was a special kid and I know he had a great high school season but my hope for him would be for him to stick with Dayton.’’.
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He is likely not going to IU...............

“McKinley is obvious signed with Dayton and he’s a fantastic player,’’ Miller said. “He’s the Minnesota state player of the year and I hope he goes to Dayton. He went to Dayton for the right reasons. And I’ll probably leave it at that because my job isn’t to recruit him anywhere else. He was a special kid and I know he had a great high school season but my hope for him would be for him to stick with Dayton.’’.
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And I'll be at Dayton as long as they want me.
Yep, not drinking the Miller kool-aide anymore. I'm not buying any of it. If Miller feels like he can use him, has a spot open, and MW is interested, he'll be a Hoosier.

I can't understand how anyone can still believe anything he says when the topic is Flyer basketball.

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And I'll be at Dayton as long as they want me.
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And I'll be at Dayton as long as they want me.
I could be wrong, but I don't ever remember him saying that. I think he said something else (like "I'm happy at Dayton") and you heard what you wanted to hear.

Can't hold that against him.
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I could be wrong, but I don't ever remember him saying that. I think he said something else (like "I'm happy at Dayton") and you heard what you wanted to hear.

"I've said this: Dayton gave me an opportunity when I didn't have any wins or losses. So, to me being able to coach here as long as they want me to, that's what I'm happy about."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...wers/24111833/
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He said it. I rolled my eyes then. He IS the first to ever do such a thing. Oh, wait, they all do it? Mark Few Mark Few Mark Few...
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It's your choice...

You can sit there and be pi$$ed off at Archie until the cows come home and justify why you are that way. Do you think Archie cares? Is there some universal score keeper that will validate your right to be angry? Ummm...no to both.

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Q&A: McKinley Wright Talks About His College Future...

Linking directly to the story did not work but you can find it on the main page.

http://www.gopherhole.com/

A good interview with McKinley that may get this thread back on track a bit (for a short while).

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http://www.gopherhole.com/news_artic...4?referrer_id=

A good interview with McKinley that may get this thread back on track a bit (for a short while).
Who's the interviewer talking about when he says "I think I heard one recruit was going to go to Indiana." Did I miss something or is he just trying to stir the pot, being a Minnesota reporter and all?
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Who's the interviewer talking about when he says "I think I heard one recruit was going to go to Indiana." Did I miss something or is he just trying to stir the pot, being a Minnesota reporter and all?
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That jumped out at me too. He's got nothing and just throws that out to an 18 year old kid trying to get him to bite and say he wants to go too. At a minimum horrible reporting. At worst a trap trying to trip up a young man.
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You can sit there and be pi$$ed off at Archie until the cows come home and justify why you are that way. Do you think Archie cares? Is there some universal score keeper that will validate your right to be angry? Ummm...no to both.

So, you can choose to carry a grudge and get all upset or you can move on. I'm here to tell you you'll be a happier person if you move on. Get over it.
In terms of future roi I think Archie will always be an ambassador to UD. I think he'll roll players our way when he can. Maybe, maybe not. I think he's got a great chance to be one of the best. Pretty strong validation if that transpires how UD gave him his start, imo. Not saying I told them so, but apparently I didn't get as emotionally attached as some that have scorned him like a bitter divorcee. I've been over it since before it happened. He's the best coach I've ever seen coach at UD and I don't have a mental block preventing me from expressing kudos for what he did here and even why he left. Life.
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Agree on the Indiana trap. Unless that reporter knows something that others don't.

Did anyone come away from this article with warm fuzzies? I did not.
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You can sit there and be pi$$ed off at Archie until the cows come home and justify why you are that way. Do you think Archie cares? Is there some universal score keeper that will validate your right to be angry? Ummm...no to both.

So, you can choose to carry a grudge and get all upset or you can move on. I'm here to tell you you'll be a happier person if you move on. Get over it.
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That jumped out at me too. He's got nothing and just throws that out to an 18 year old kid trying to get him to bite and say he wants to go too. At a minimum horrible reporting. At worst a trap trying to trip up a young man.
The reporter also asked him about how many official trips he took. Two was the answer.

Per the other recruits - Both Jordan's and Nahziah - still have "Dayton Commit" in their Twitter profiles - With Nahziah having a picture for the top profile showing his mom in a Dayton T-shirt. And he retweeted highlights of the AG presser.

My guess is we get those three still come in. Wright goes on to one of the other schools that originally recruited him and Svoboda also goes somewhere else.
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"I've said this: Dayton gave me an opportunity when I didn't have any wins or losses. So, to me being able to coach here as long as they want me to, that's what I'm happy about."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...wers/24111833/
It's a little bit of semantics, but his quote doesn't quite match up. He didn't say he would stay as long as we would have him. He said he was happy he could coach here as long as he wanted.

Which he did.

Either way, he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't. He can say he's happy and wants to coach here...or he can say he wants to leave at some point. Both cause fans to get upset.

Program is in good hands. No need for animosity against Archie. Wish him well and move on.
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You can sit there and be pi$$ed off at Archie until the cows come home and justify why you are that way. Do you think Archie cares? Is there some universal score keeper that will validate your right to be angry? Ummm...no to both.

So, you can choose to carry a grudge and get all upset or you can move on. I'm here to tell you you'll be a happier person if you move on. Get over it.
I can be happy and pi$$ed off at the same time. I'm happy with Grant and I'm pi$$ed off at Archie for the comments he made about staying and the way he left. Being pi$$ed off at Archie won't lower my quality of life one bit. And I believe there is a universal scorekeeper.
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Agree on the Indiana trap. Unless that reporter knows something that others don't.

Did anyone come away from this article with warm fuzzies? I did not.
Warm fuzzies would be at stretch for me, but his comments fit the overall tenor so far.

That is Neil has made the recruits a priority. Anthony has talked to them. And the general theme among the recruits is take things slow and what until things settle down. Meaning to me, who are the assistants, and what is the Dayton style of play, and what is my role? And not so insignificant is the fact that mom and dad bought into UD and there seems to be no push on MW from home to panic.

I can live with this right now and feel comfortable. That said, the news going forward better come sooner rather than later, before the adversaries ramp up the pressure. AG needs to announce his staff, and if it's legal, get to the recruit and his family asap.
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The thing about the article that stood out to me was MW's performance after hearing Archie bolted. 4-15 from the field in the loss. Very telling that it was emotional for him. He's gone. I want to be so wrong about these recruits. I will bow down with hat-in-hand begging for crow if they honor their commitments. But I still think most depart by the reasoning that they committed to a coach, not a university. It will be a huge coup if AG can convince most to stay imo.
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Linking directly to the story did not work but you can find it on the main page.

http://www.gopherhole.com/

A good interview with McKinley that may get this thread back on track a bit (for a short while).
My take, the recruits are researching Grant, and I do believe they like his NBA connections. MW IV says he doesn't have a release, that's a positive. In the end, I believe these 4 stay together as Flyers, but have no idea about Svoboda. Hoping for 5/5.

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That jumped out at me too. He's got nothing and just throws that out to an 18 year old kid trying to get him to bite and say he wants to go too. At a minimum horrible reporting. At worst a trap trying to trip up a young man.
The reporter just either lied or doesn't know what the heck he's talking about. There are zero reports of any other signee going to IU. What a crock. The fact that MW hasn't even asked for a release is good news. And the fact that he mentioned AG's coaching of Westbrook and Durant is important.
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My educated guess from their twitter accounts is that Davis, Carter & Pierce will be Flyers. 25% chance Wright is a Flyer. Svoboda is a wild card.
Agree with everything except I put Wright at 60% and that's because he hasn't asked for a release yet.
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Hey isn't that what Archie had at UD? Quitter quitter quitter. Was he running away from something or toward something. Quitter
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I'm assuming you have never changed jobs?
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I'm assuming you have never changed jobs?
Not one offering 3+ million with the security and everything UD offers.
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Yeah because UD is the same as IU. The 3 mil figure is way off his tax return that I saw. Think his '14 salary reported was like 1.4 mil. They didn't double his base salary in two seasons I'm willing to bet. The 3 mil figure whether it's fictitious or not was nowhere close to his base salary then. Booster funds? I'm thinking fisheye lens effect and an eroneous report. Never believed it.
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I'm assuming you have never changed jobs?
Not after making some of the comments Archie made. I'm not upset that Archie left. I'm upset that he conned us into thinking he wanted to stay, and THEN left. He went way overboard with his statements which we now know were simply coach-speak.
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It was our counter....would have place him in top 10.
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Yeah because UD is the same as IU. The 3 mil figure is way off his tax return that I saw. Think his '14 salary reported was like 1.4 mil. They didn't double his base salary in two seasons I'm willing to bet. The 3 mil figure whether it's fictitious or not was nowhere close to his base salary then. Booster funds? I'm thinking fisheye lens effect and an eroneous report. Never believed it.
It's been reported AMs contract at IU is 7 years averaging $3.35 mill per year. So you assume it's close to $3 mill the first year. Neil said they made him an offer to stay. I don't think it's a jump to assume that offer was in the $3 mill range. Both your numbers above and an offer for $3 mill could both be correct.
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It's been reported AMs contract at IU is 7 years averaging $3.35 mill per year. So you assume it's close to $3 mill the first year. Neil said they made him an offer to stay. I don't think it's a jump to assume that offer was in the $3 mill range. Both your numbers above and an offer for $3 mill could both be correct.
to be in the top 10 would have to be 3+ mill. unless Neil is using coach speak
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It's been reported AMs contract at IU is 7 years averaging $3.35 mill per year. So you assume it's close to $3 mill the first year. Neil said they made him an offer to stay. I don't think it's a jump to assume that offer was in the $3 mill range. Both your numbers above and an offer for $3 mill could both be correct.
Yeah, I don't dispute he was offered 3 mil to stay. I just find it hard to believe he was making that money since it was first reported.
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1) Archie honored his contract. There were outs for him to leave to different schools if a spot opened up. One did and he took it.

2) the program is in a better place than it was six years ago. Hopefully it will build on that and advance farther in the future.

3) as long as I don't feel IU tampers with any of UD's recruits, he will continue to have Mt support in a " hope he does well" capacity. If I feel they tamper with the recruits, all bets are off. Those players were recruited on UD's dime and IU should not touch them, released or not.

4) coaches are fair game.

5) there aren't many programs that are CLEARLY better than UD. IU is one of them.

6) UD took an unproven assistant, gave him the resources and fan support to win a lot of games and move forward in his career. He owes UD a debt of gratitude.

7) sharks gather around their TVs every so often to watch Ray Harper Week on Discovery Channel.
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Not one offering 3+ million with the security and everything UD offers.
But it is all relative, isn't it? Archie was offered a higher paying job at a higher profile school which would give him an opportunity (but certainly no guarantee) to improve his stock as a coach. You know, a chance to prove himself on a bigger stage.

Aren't those the same type of reasons people change jobs voluntarily?

When LeBron left Cleveland for Miami, he took LESS money than Cleveland was offering. Miami was offering a chance at a title because of the supporting cast they had assembled. Cleveland, in 7 years, never tried to put a legitimate contender together. That changed when LeBron returned. What he wanted was a chance to win the big prize (title), not the smaller ones (security, money).
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Not one offering 3+ million with the security and everything UD offers.
I work in IT. I make good money and have a nice Sr Manager role. But if my goal is to make VP or CIO, and the likelihood is low at my company, even if they throw more money at me, I'm probably leaving if the opportunity arises. It's just the way it is. As much as we love UD, we play in the A-10 and it will be difficult to make consistent deep runs in the tournament. At a bigger school, easier to get top recruits that can help that happen. Doesn't mean it will. There are plenty of P5 schools that don't make the tourney or consistently lose in the first/second round, but it's just always easier for them. More likely to get a bid than not, etc. So, Archie's gone, we've got Grant, let's reload and move forward.
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Originally Posted by Sitdowndigger View Post
to be in the top 10 would have to be 3+ mill. unless Neil is using coach speak
And thus I said $3 mill range because I don't know anyone who knows the real number or terms. And I didn't say Top 10.
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Yeah, I don't dispute he was offered 3 mil to stay.
You appeared to dispute that in your above post. That's why you got the responses you got. You said, "Never believed it," and it was probably an "erroneous report."
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And thus I said $3 mill range because I don't know anyone who knows the real number or terms. And I didn't say Top 10.
No one said you did. But Neil did. This has already been shown and discussed...

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And thus I said $3 mill range because I don't know anyone who knows the real number or terms. And I didn't say Top 10.
Neil was quoted in the DDN as saying "I'm confident we have a top-10 compensation program in the country..." According to USA Today, the 10th highest paid coach in the country made $3.1 million in 2016. That's where the $3 million figure comes from.
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No one said you did. But Neil did. This has already been shown and discussed...

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When you quote my post In your post saying you would need to be more than $3 mill to be top 10, you most certainly implied I said that. If you weren't trying to correct me, why include my post at all? And I'm well aware of what Neil said in the DDN. But I don't like being quoted and corrected for something I didn't say.
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You appeared to dispute that in your above post. That's why you got the responses you got. You said, "Never believed it," and it was probably an "erroneous report."
Maybe you interpret it that way but I said he wasn't making that money when it was first reported. I think it was a simple case of sensationalism. You have your opinion. After the shark came near the boat a lot of shark repellent could've been thrown his way. I believe the figure could've been thrown out to try to retain him. But the 3 mil rumor has been floating for around two years.
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I work in IT. I make good money and have a nice Sr Manager role. But if my goal is to make VP or CIO, and the likelihood is low at my company, even if they throw more money at me, I'm probably leaving if the opportunity arises. It's just the way it is. As much as we love UD, we play in the A-10 and it will be difficult to make consistent deep runs in the tournament. At a bigger school, easier to get top recruits that can help that happen. Doesn't mean it will. There are plenty of P5 schools that don't make the tourney or consistently lose in the first/second round, but it's just always easier for them. More likely to get a bid than not, etc. So, Archie's gone, we've got Grant, let's reload and move forward.
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I could be wrong, but I don't ever remember him saying that. I think he said something else (like "I'm happy at Dayton") and you heard what you wanted to hear.

Can't hold that against him.
Oh he definitely said exactly that.
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I'm assuming you have never changed jobs?
Digger was never on anyone else's short list...
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I thought this Thread was about the reaction of our players and recruits to AG being hired as our new HC. Whatever AM said about staying at UD in the past or whoever was, or wasn't, on the "short list" is totally irrelevent now, n'est-ce pas? Can we p-u-l-e-e-z-e get back to the main point of the Thread?
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Who are the 10 schools paying $3 million per year?

Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas

Villanova?, Michigan State?, Arizona?, and Georgetown?

UCLA?
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Who are the 10 schools paying $3 million per year?

Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas

Villanova?, Michigan State?, Arizona?, and Georgetown?

UCLA?
Can someone please repost the info on the top 10 paying jobs...and flank in a player/recruit reaction to stay consistent with thread thx
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Who are the 10 schools paying $3 million per year?

Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas

Villanova?, Michigan State?, Arizona?, and Georgetown?

UCLA?
Schools paying at least 3M in 16-17, Duke, KY, UL, Kansas, Arizona, MSU, OSU, WVA, Pitt, IU, UCONN.
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Not sure the list you guys are referencing but Gregg Marshall at Wichita make 3+
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Not sure the list you guys are referencing but Gregg Marshall at Wichita make 3+
Checked another list (USA today), showed UL, UK, Duke, Kansas,MSU, WVU, Mich, WSU and Baylor. No AZ, OSU, Pitt, IU or UCONN Looks like beyond the top six or so there is questionable data.
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You can sit there and be pi$$ed off at Archie until the cows come home and justify why you are that way. Do you think Archie cares? Is there some universal score keeper that will validate your right to be angry? Ummm...no to both.

So, you can choose to carry a grudge and get all upset or you can move on. I'm here to tell you you'll be a happier person if you move on. Get over it.
I'm not carrying a grudge but the cows haven't even turned for home. He did a lousy job of saying goodbye to his fan-base. Thank you Father Springborofan for your advice.

I totally understand Archibald's thinking...and quite honestly I might have done the same (if of course I was Archibald), but you can't expect that your fan-base is going to wish you a found farewell. I certainly don't.

When my wife divorces me for what she believes is a richer and more handsome guy than me...as a good Christian I try to forgive her. But the dark side takes over me.

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Sir, you will be more invested in your spouse than you will ever be in your school's hoops coach. I'm just going to throw this out there....if you didn't see it coming you should have. The one presser I chose to watch he paid tribute to the fans more than once. You have a right to be mad but you said yourself you might do the same thing. Time will heal your wounds, son. Springboro passed today's sermon to me
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Nahziah Carter retweeted Anthony Grant's introductory press conference. I take that as a good sign. Another good sign? He was MVP of an all-star game in Rochester last week with 36 points, 7 rebounds and 4 assists (keeping in mind both teams scored over 100 and probably played as much defense as an NBA all-star game). He hit a three-pointer at the buzzer to tie the game.

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Sir, you will be more invested in your spouse than you will ever be in your school's hoops coach. I'm just going to throw this out there....if you didn't see it coming you should have. The one presser I chose to watch he paid tribute to the fans more than once. You have a right to be mad but you said yourself you might do the same thing. Time will heal your wounds, son. Springboro passed today's sermon to me
Thanks for your kind advice. But...I did see it coming.

Archibald's farewell was classless. His timing was worse. He took much too long to praise UD. Anyone on this forum could have written him a script which would have significantly lessened the blow to his rabid fans. His very first, second and third communication should have been related only to his fan-base (which does not include IU). We are the ones that supported him while he developed his resume.

Unlike AM, we feel that UD is the destination. Telling me that I am second fiddle does not make me feel good.

The core of my anger is that Archibald left the cupboard bare. He realized that next year (which is his doing) is an obvious rebuilding year and he would have a 50% record team (if the freshman stay). He was the President of the UD Fanatic Fan Company and chose to sell his stock at it's peak...with insider information.

Wait till next year (if UD loses their blue-chip players)...I respectfully predict that your pleasant song will be out of tune.
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Dang, that's on the NYSE? I must've missed that ipo. You have a good feel for our status, yes. But do you think he has any spare time to do anything yet. Better question: do you think he'll pay homage when he does find the time? I do. Like I said before I think he'll continue to be an ambassador to UD. He left on very good terms with the administration from what I collect. Only the fans are taking it personal..
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Why did Ryan leave? Supposedly he assumes he has a better chance of advancing in the NCAA tournament. Why would it be easier at IU? Does Ryan believe he can get better recruits there? If so, then isn't he saying he has a hard time winning with the recruits he can get at UD? So if he has an opening or two would he try to take one of UD's recruits just to fill the roster only to recruit over that player the following year?
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Linking directly to the story did not work but you can find it on the main page.

http://www.gopherhole.com/

A good interview with McKinley that may get this thread back on track a bit (for a short while).
Again another jock sniffing piece of **** douche bag reporter trying to trap an 18 year old kid. MW seems to be wise beyond his years because both interviews I've seen where reporters continue to pepper him with questions he has not taken the bait. Good for MW.
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In terms of future roi I think Archie will always be an ambassador to UD. I think he'll roll players our way when he can.
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. That's just not the way it works in college coaching. Archie already said when he commented on MW staying a Flyer that he's not going to say anymore because he's not here to recruit players for anyone else.
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Dang, that's on the NYSE? I must've missed that ipo. You have a good feel for our status, yes. But do you think he has any spare time to do anything yet. Better question: do you think he'll pay homage when he does find the time? I do. Like I said before I think he'll continue to be an ambassador to UD. He left on very good terms with the administration from what I collect. Only the fans are taking it personal..
I think fans like me are unfortunately into the "suffering" phase... But even acknowledging this...it would be foolish for Archibald to not to be an ambassador to UD. Even Vladimir Putin praises Trump while he stabs him in the back. Even Trump praises Putin while he feels the pain.

BTW - no one leaves on good terms when they leave a pile of sh*t.

There is a light at the end of the tube...as Scarlett (the profit) stated emphatically...after all...tomorrow is another day.
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I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. That's just not the way it works in college coaching. Archie already said when he commented on MW staying a Flyer that he's not going to say anymore because he's not here to recruit players for anyone else.
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Why would Archie still point players to Dayton? Are there other coaches that do this?
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I'm learning. That's just not the way it works in college coaching,... and,.... BTW no one leaves on good terms when they leave a pile of sh!t.
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Why would Archie still point players to Dayton? Are there other coaches that do this?
Happens with jucos. Violations surround HS prep players.
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Happens with jucos. Violations surround HS prep players.
Maybe you're right but I hope we don't have to count on Archie to be recruiting players for us because if we are we are in trouble.
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I think anytime you have a high profile person semi-waving your banner it can do nothing but help your own brand. Dude will blow up in five years at IU, I predict. I don't know I just see too many intangibles, let alone a basketball IQ that is among the best. Jmo.
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He is not going to help UD recruit! Nor should he. The most can hope for is a positive word if he's asked for feedback ( for a potential coaching hire, for example).

As far as " destination programs" go, there are degrees of destination-ism. If you're Roy Williams, is Kansas a destination? Not if UNC opens, obviously, although 99.999% of people consider KU a destination. What about Kentucky? Maybe not if Calipari wants another shot in the Association. What about Mack at Xavier? It is his alma mater, but what does he do if offered IU? What if Izzo had gone to the Cavs? BG would have gone to MSU? He was still asemi-hot prospect at the time. Mark Few? Appears to be a destination, but what if he hates their next AD?

I don't believe Archie would have left this year if IU hadn't opened up. I don't think he'd had left for NCSU or Georgetown. Who knows about Florida if they had pursued him. He spurned Pitt. All of those are types of programs that are POSSIBLY better than UD ( due to conference affiliation, football money, etc). But, I don't care how you boil it down, IU is clearly a better program than UD.

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UNC and Duke are both jobs that any program's coach would be upgrading to in status. Any and every. Push come to shove maybe even UK imo. I would rank the top four destination jobs with Duke and UNC tied for 1st. UK 2nd. Kansas 3rd. UCLA 4th.

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IMO, AM never meant to mislead or hurt anyone...things change, feelings change, times change, minds change.

He simply changed his mind. He is allowed to do that.

In 6 years, he went from not well known to very well known. Things change, times change, feelings change, minds change.

Let it go, get over it, and move on.

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