What's the story on Cooke?

[The Fly]

So the DDN says Charles might " miss some time," but nothing official. Anyone hear anything else? He looked to be in some serious pain when he left the floor. Seemed more hip/back than wrist.

[C-time]

Originally Posted by The Fly So the DDN says Charles might " miss some time," but nothing official. Anyone hear anything else? He looked to be in some serious pain when he left the floor. Seemed more hip/back than wrist.

As with all Dayton player injuries Cooke will be "day to day", "we hope he can play", or "it will be a game time decision" until you actually see him on the court again.

In my opinion getting a diagnosis for Cooke by the postgame press conference would have been really quick so Archie just gave the vague he might miss some time quote which was really the best thing to say. They probably will know more today when they see how sore Charles is from that hard fall, but there is no way Archie is telling anybody. Just have to be patient and find out about an hour before the Bonaventure game.

[C-time]

I'm going to save everyone a lot of worrying and guessing about whether Cooke will play against Rhody by reminding you of the 2nd post in this thread.

Originally Posted by C-time As with all Dayton player injuries Cooke will be "day to day", "we hope he can play", or "it will be a game time decision" until you actually see him on the court again. Just have to be patient and find out about an hour before the Bonaventure game.

Just wait until Friday night and you will find out because Archie isn't going to tell anybody anything definitively until then.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[CE80]

Down on DD? Think about a line-up without him and CC.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.

Read the game thread when you get time Piqua, this was discussed and explained in there.

[Tony T 71]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.

The refs wouldn't let the trainer come out. They had their hands held up to not come out, which was ridiculous.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.

Ref thought he was going to get up from hard contact...he didn't and trainers responded. Don't want to sub out one of your better FT shooters unless you don't have to.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.

This is what I said in another post...

Originally Posted by rollo If a player goes down and the coach steps one foot on the court to check on him, the player has to come out of the game whether he's injured or not. By holding back the UD 'bench/coach' the ref is saying the player may not need help and, therefore, can stay in the game.

I reffed a game today and this very situation occurred in a close game. Kid goes down and appears to be hurt (but wasn't...just stunned). Coach runs out and sees he's OK and walks back to the bench. I tell the coach the player has to come out...coach looks at me like I'm nuts, turns and looks at the other coach who is 3' on the court and says 'then he needs to sub someone too!' so I need to explain to him that the other coach is coaching, not checking on a potentially injured player. He honestly had no idea that coming onto the court forces me to make him sub. UGH! I hate stupid.

[rollo]

3 seconds...

Had some idiot dad in the front row today giving me the business about calling 3 seconds on the other team. Scenario: Opponent shoots and misses....gets offensive rebound, pump fakes, shoots and misses...gets another offensive rebound, shoots and misses...repeat, repeat...ball knocked out of bounds on sideline right in front of loudmouth dad who continues to yell at me about calling 3 seconds and how one player was in the lane for 15 seconds. UGH!

Quietly, but loud enough for everyone around him to hear, I look him in the eye and say '3 seconds stops when the shot begins and a player can spend 20 seconds in the lane if they keep getting rebounds. Read the rulebook and you'd know this.' He broke eye contact with me, turned his head the other direction and started talking to him mom (or his really ugly wife, I'm not sure). Never heard another word from him the rest of the game.

I really hate stupid.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by rollo 3 seconds... Had some idiot dad in the front row today giving me the business about calling 3 seconds on the other team. Scenario: Opponent shoots and misses....gets offensive rebound, pump fakes, shoots and misses...gets another offensive rebound, shoots and misses...repeat, repeat...ball knocked out of bounds on sideline right in front of loudmouth dad who continues to yell at me about calling 3 seconds and how one player was in the lane for 15 seconds. UGH! Quietly, but loud enough for everyone around him to hear, I look him in the eye and say '3 seconds stops when the shot begins and a player can spend 20 seconds in the lane if they keep getting rebounds. Read the rulebook and you'd know this.' He broke eye contact with me, turned his head the other direction and started talking to him mom (or his really ugly wife, I'm not sure). Never heard another word from him the rest of the game. I really hate stupid.

Amen, not a lot more irritating than fans with the 3 second yell when there are shots and rebounds taking place.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 Anyone find it unusual that on the fall that we are talking about (CC had to leave the game) NO ONE from the bench, AM or trainer, went out to assist him immediately.....seemed rather awkward to me.

I commented on that during the game thread, Piqua Flyer. I thought it was a major remission of responsibility on the part of the training staff. I hope I never see that kind of incompetence again on the part of any Flyer associate.

[ud69]

Originally Posted by TommyGola I commented on that during the game thread, Piqua Flyer. I thought it was a major remission of responsibility on the part of the training staff. I hope I never see that kind of incompetence again on the part of any Flyer associate.

Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by ud69 Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.

OK, thanks for the clarification. Then, what in the world were the refs thinking?

[San Diego Flyer]

They were not thinking the whole game. Why would they start then?

[UD62]

Originally Posted by ud69 Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.

Coach can run on the floor, but if he does the down player has to come out of the game. At least that's how I see Sir Rollo's explanation

[ud69]

Originally Posted by UD62 Coach can run on the floor, but if he does the down player has to come out of the game. At least that's how I see Sir Rollo's explanation

From official NCAA rule book - page 97.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/BR17.pdf

Art. 2.
A technical foul shall be assessed to a coach and all bench personnel
for the following infractions:
a�
Entering the playing court to attend an injured player unless done with
permission of an official�

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by ud69 Please- They were being detained by the refs. See previous posts. Can't just run on the floor. Must be signaled by the refs.

I didn't know the rule either, so naturally I was wondering like everyone else who watched CC lying in excruciating pain, where are the trainers? Now I understand...not only were the refs blind, but deaf also...

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 I didn't know the rule either, so naturally I was wondering like everyone else who watched CC lying in excruciating pain, where are the trainers? Now I understand...not only were the refs blind, but deaf also...

No, they were not. See previous explanations. Once they call the coaches and trainers out, the player must leave the game. Cooke fell hard, and clearly on his hip, back or arse. It wasn't a medical emergency situation. So they rightfully give Cooke every opportunity to get past the initial shock from the impact and determine if he needs medical attention and can continue.

If the reverse had happened and they call trainers out immediately and Cooke was fine afte 30 seconds, the Pollard misses two LaSalle scores and UD turns it over before Archie could get Cooke back in, Archie would be rightfully livid.

We fans are blind by not knowing the rules. Not the refs (now if we want to discuss the inconsistency in how the first half and second half were officiated, I would agree).

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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 I didn't know the rule either, so naturally I was wondering like everyone else who watched CC lying in excruciating pain, where are the trainers? Now I understand...not only were the refs blind, but deaf also...

Speaking of deaf refs (and notwithstanding any of the explanations for why the sequence of events was as it was on Friday), during a particularly quiet moment following Charles's fall, someone in the stands at the south end of the court (by the Flyers' tunnel) yelled something like "Ref, this is all your fault!", and a number of fans at that end gave a brief round of applause to that comment. First time in my nearly 50 years of following UD basketball that I can remember hearing a reaction like that. 13,000 people booing/heckling, yes. One solitary comment followed by a smattering of crowd approval, no. Almost surreal.
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[NYCFLYER]

He was also holding his wrist before he clanked those 2 free throws. I'm as worried about the wrist as I am about the latest injury.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by NYCFLYER He was also holding his wrist before he clanked those 2 free throws. I'm as worried about the wrist as I am about the latest injury.

Agree. I noticed very early in the game when Charles tried to shoot a 3, he instantly grabbed his wrist after the shot and was holding it for most of the next possession or two. I do not remember seeing him take another jump shot the rest of the game, but he must have had one more according to the box score and missing two 3 pointers.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

On the subject of Cookes injury, as Cooke was laying on the floor in pain, who was the jackwagon that yelled this is on you at the referee? Even worse, fans applauded. This ain't the Cintas Center people, show some class.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Cintas Center is just code for Outhouse

[Smitty10]

Can someone tell me why Pollard shot his FTs? Was that our choice? I know he made them both, but seems like an odd choice.

[ud69]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Can someone tell me why Pollard shot his FTs? Was that our choice? I know he made them both, but seems like an odd choice.

same rule book - page 42

When an injured player is unable to attempt his free throw try(s), the coach from the opposing team shall select one of the four remaining
players on the playing court to attempt the free throw try(s)� When
the foul is flagrant and the injured player is unable to attempt the free
throw try(s), the injured player’s coach shall select any player or team
member to attempt the free throw try(s)�

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by ud69 same rule book - page 42 When an injured player is unable to attempt his free throw try(s), the coach from the opposing team shall select one of the four remaining players on the playing court to attempt the free throw try(s)� When the foul is flagrant and the injured player is unable to attempt the free throw try(s), the injured player’s coach shall select any player or team member to attempt the free throw try(s)�

Well that explains it. And I'm guessing that Pollard has a very high FT percentage shooting someone else's FTs.

[jack72]

Great decision by Archie. He was sending Pollard a message, that you are a good free throw shooter. Great coaching move.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by jack72 Great decision by Archie. He was sending Pollard a message, that you are a good free throw shooter. Great coaching move.

I wish that were the case; but I think the opposing coach actually made the decision to send KP to the line. Re-read that rule again. No flagrant foul was called by the refs; therefore the opposing coach got to make the decision who to send to the line. Had a flagrant foul been called, AM could have sent any of the 4 he had on the floor to the line; likely Scooch.

[Flyer Al]

I was three rows under the basket on that end and I also thought it was strange but I watched Archie and he was looking right at one of the refs and was asking for permission to enter the court. Even the trainer waited a beat or two before running out after displaying similar body language. As soon as they each were granted permission they went to Charles.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

If my 19.2/game player goes down as hard as CC did I'm on the floor.
PERIOD.
Worry about taking him out later.
If he has to go out because I went on the floor, and he is OK,
I put him back in right away, the next dead ball.
I'm not getting on AM, just saying what I would do.

GO FLYERS!

[BRob2Perryman3]

Anybody heard anything on Darrell or Charles status?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 Anybody heard anything on Darrell or Charles status?

Not sure if this helps...but when having breakfast out this morning the entire team was there, I'm assuming unofficial pre-flight meal. No coaches, just the players who were in 3-4 vehicles. All were there and appeared upright and healthy, with the exception of Josh of course, who still had a slight limp. It was interesting that the last 3 to leave were CC, JC, and DD.

[UDDoug]

For Cunningham it was close to instantly that entry to the court was permitted. Same for the Louisville guy that broke his leg a few years back. Same for players that come down an hit their head or neck on the court.

Refs are going to give the player time when they land like Cooke. And they should.

Cooke was clearly hurting and in pain. But he also did not have a serious injury and was not motionless. I thought the refs did the right thing. That is not to say they officiated the game well.

Entering the court can also result in a technical.
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[UDDoug]

How was it the ref's fault? Understand the reaction, and agree it was odd, but it doesn't make sense. If there was fault it's more the UD players for shooting free throws and threes so poorly that the score was closer than it should have been, necessitating a hard drive to the basket.

The only thing the refs could have done was instantly wave out coaches and trainers. Which would have changed - nothing.
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[Piqua Flyer '66]

Hope CC got
the plane!

[UD62]

No Vegas line yet on the game. CC a ?

[lhsgolf19]

Jon Rothstein Verified account
‏@JonRothstein

Dayton's Charles Cooke (back) will travel to St. Bonaventure and is a game-time decision for Tuesday's game, per a school spokesman.

[C-time]

Originally Posted by C-time As with all Dayton player injuries Cooke will be "day to day", "we hope he can play", or "it will be a game time decision" until you actually see him on the court again.

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Jon Rothstein Verified account ‏@JonRothstein Dayton's Charles Cooke (back) will travel to St. Bonaventure and is a game-time decision for Tuesday's game, per a school spokesman.

So "game time decision" it is!!!!!!!!!!!!

See how easy it is to predict UD injury reports!!!!!!!!!!!

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Jon Rothstein Verified account ‏@JonRothstein Dayton's Charles Cooke (back) will travel to St. Bonaventure and is a game-time decision for Tuesday's game, per a school spokesman.

According to BR, Charles Cooke & Darrell Davis are both game time decisions at St Bonaventure

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[CoffeeCan]

Looks like it is a Pick Em. Wonder if that is factoring in CC or not?

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-...7/time/2000#BT

[Piqua Flyer '66]

IMHO CC will play.
Why would you fly/bus
an injured player to
Oleon??
Go Flyers!

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 IMHO CC will play. Why would you fly/bus an injured player to Oleon?? Go Flyers!

The Bengals took AJ all the way to Texas and then decided not to play him, so he got permission to go back home. Of course, that's the Bengals.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 IMHO CC will play. Why would you fly/bus an injured player to Oleon?? Go Flyers!

Injured players often travel with their team. I don't have any inside info, but I would not expect him to play just because he traveled.

[maddog07]

My paper had the game as --OFF this morning.

If CC can't play or is not himself we will get killed. He's perhaps our best defender, and leading rebounder and scorer. Can't see us overcoming that.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by maddog07 My paper had the game as --OFF this morning. If CC can't play or is not himself we will get killed. He's perhaps our best defender, and leading rebounder and scorer. Can't see us overcoming that.

I don't know if players read this board or not, but if they do I hope they print stuff like this off and stare at it on the flight and in the locker room before tip.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo I don't know if players read this board or not, but if they do I hope they print stuff like this off and stare at it on the flight and in the locker room before tip.

I'm sure they LMAO first...there isn't a kid in Archie's program who doesn't think they can win each and every game, regardless of who is in uniform. That was validated 2 seasons ago.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo I don't know if players read this board or not, but if they do I hope they print stuff like this off and stare at it on the flight and in the locker room before tip.

ft shooting and the like .

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo I don't know if players read this board or not, but if they do I hope they print stuff like this off and stare at it on the flight and in the locker room before tip.

They do...and I know of at least one that has printed off quotes from certain posters as motivation...

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by maddog07 My paper had the game as --OFF this morning. If CC can't play or is not himself we will get killed. He's perhaps our best defender, and leading rebounder and scorer. Can't see us overcoming that.

We know you have a crush on CC, but you do realize that the other 3 seniors were pretty darn successful before your guy showed up. 90 points scored on the road and one of two best game played this season, both without CC.

[Cityengr]

UD. 74
StB. 64

[Radar]

Cooke out. DD in.

[Swampy Meadows]

David Jablonski tweeted the above
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[Chris R]

If Archie coaches us to a win tonight, its one of his best bench jobs to date. We are missing too many horses.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Chris R If Archie coaches us to a win tonight, its one of his best bench jobs to date. We are missing too many horses.

DD better be hot.

[Alberto Strasse]

Hard to say who can play from game to game with this team. Fans show up at UD Arena and find a player on the bench unable to play. It is difficult to remain competitive with this much injury. There is little communication coming from the program to prepare the Faithful for the absences.

[shocka43]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse There is little communication coming from the program to prepare the Faithful for the absences.

Good strategy....more players a possible "go" for the game...the more possible players the opponent has to prepare for.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by shocka43 Good strategy....more players a possible "go" for the game...the more possible players the opponent has to prepare for.

Agreed. Not too hard for the fans to figure out who to cheer for.
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by flyerfan4life View Post
I am very confident both players will be active tonight.



Deleted that post FF4life. I hope you are still using you are still in your free trial period.

[flyerfan4life]

Deleted because Matt schwade complained about it. He reported earlier that both will play. No more sharing info from there. I understand where he is coming from.

[C-time]

Originally Posted by flyerfan4life Deleted because Matt schwade complained about it. He reported earlier that both will play. No more sharing info from there. I understand where he is coming from.

Like I said you need different usernames and nobody would know.

[TerryK_67]

you know, I have never understood this need for being the first one to report "something"..... Just what is the big deal about it? It looks pretty childish to me.

[flyerfan4life]

I dont have the same username. And its not about being the first to report it. That is a pay site, this is not...He doesnt want to diminish the value of his site.

[C-time]

Originally Posted by flyerfan4life I dont have the same username. And its not about being the first to report it. That is a pay site, this is not...He doesnt want to diminish the value of his site.

Schwade getting his "scoop" about them playing tonight wrong diminishes the value of his site all by itself.

[flyerfan4life]

Originally Posted by C-time Schwade getting his "scoop" about them playing tonight wrong diminishes the value of his site all by itself.

Fair enough. Move on please.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by flyerfan4life Fair enough. Move on please.

So now can we assume Harry Froling is going to visit UD soon?

[flyerfan4life]

I'm hopeful he was wrong about that too.

[UDBrian]

I guess we will. Know tomorrow

[UD90]

As mentioned above Cooke is a great player, but the bench shines when he's not on the floor. We share the ball so much better. I wrote it off on the St. Joes (Indiana) game to inferior competition, but 90 on the Bonnies in Olean? I love having Cooke on our team and think he has a shot at A10 POY, but maybe he watches this game film and learns from watching when to make an extra pass.

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[shapanud]

Doesn't sound like Archie plans on having Cooke for URI.

From today's DDN:

“I don’t think he’s close to playing,” Miller said. “He’s not 100 percent, and if he’s not 100 percent, we’re not forcing the action. We’ll go into the next game prepared to play without him. He’s got a couple things going on with his tailbone after the fall he took, and his wrist continues to bother him.”

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by shapanud Doesn't sound like Archie plans on having Cooke for URI. From today's DDN: “I don’t think he’s close to playing,” Miller said. “He’s not 100 percent, and if he’s not 100 percent, we’re not forcing the action. We’ll go into the next game prepared to play without him. He’s got a couple things going on with his tailbone after the fall he took, and his wrist continues to bother him.”

I don't take much away form this comment. If Cooke's back/wrist was that bad, why was he a game time decision last night? If his back was that bad, he shouldn't have gotten on the airplane. That said, he may still not play. Archie is just being Archie.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by CE80 I don't take much away form this comment. If Cooke's back/wrist was that bad, why was he a game time decision last night? If his back was that bad, he shouldn't have gotten on the airplane. That said, he may still not play. Archie is just being Archie.

Smart business just to keep the opponent guessing and affecting their preparation.

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by UD90 As mentioned above Cooke is a great player, but the bench shines when he's not on the floor. We share the ball so much better. I wrote it off on the St. Joes (Indiana) game to inferior competition, but 90 on the Bonnies in Olean? I love having Cooke on our team and think he has a shot at A10 POY, but maybe he watches this game film and learns from watching when to make an extra pass.

But Cooke and Scoochie are about the only ones who can create a shot. And Scoochie's ability to do so is lessened if the defense plays off a little as he can either take a three or get all the way to the rim.

Ball movement is different without Cooke because it has to be. Archie wants Cooke to look to score when he has the ball. The ball won't move as quickly if Cooke looks to see if he can get it the rim.

And against teams that actually play defense (unlike the Bonnies, Explorers and VMI) the ability to create when ball reversal gets shut off matters.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by UDDoug But Cooke and Scoochie are about the only ones who can create a shot. And Scoochie's ability to do so is lessened if the defense plays off a little as he can either take a three or get all the way to the rim.

Not really his role typically - except in transition - but Pollard can manufacture. With the shot clock winding down, he can get it to the rim off the bounce. And he's probably getting the and 1. Or committing an offensive foul. One or the other.

It's going to be important for Crosby, Mikesell and Xeyrius to develop this obviously as our shot manufacturers are seniors. As noted above, Crosby can make the circus shot. He's got some Kevin Dillard him in. Xeyrius seems like a guy who just wants to shoot over people - rather than go downhill. Would like to see him drive it a bit more. Mikesell seems to be the furthest along though in this regard. He's our 4th best downhill option right now. I think he's capable now, and his confidence seems to be growing... adding strength to ake sure he can finish will be key.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Not really his role typically - except in transition - but Pollard can manufacture. With the shot clock winding down, he can get it to the rim off the bounce. And he's probably getting the and 1. Or committing an offensive foul. One or the other. It's going to be important for Crosby, Mikesell and Xeyrius to develop this obviously as our shot manufacturers are seniors. As noted above, Crosby can make the circus shot. He's got some Kevin Dillard him in. Xeyrius seems like a guy who just wants to shoot over people - rather than go downhill. Would like to see him drive it a bit more. Mikesell seems to be the furthest along though in this regard. He's our 4th best downhill option right now. I think he's capable now, and his confidence seems to be growing... adding strength to ake sure he can finish will be key.

Off the bounce?
Go downhill?
You sure you're not Seth Greenberg???

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Radar Off the bounce? Go downhill? You sure you're not Seth Greenberg???

Would you prefer Bill Raftery? Cause I can go ONIONS on you all at any time. Prose with a little kiss.

[San Diego Flyer]

John Crosby can get to the rim almost anytime he puts his mind to it, but it gets real exciting when he gets there. We have had a bunch of players go through a period where finishing the drive was elusive. They can and do get better.

Josh Parker was a shipwreck trying to finish. Scoochie as a Frosh was lacking in that skill. Whereas shooting is tough to improve, finishing is not as difficult with coaching and patience.
Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops.

Cooke has great athleticism, but he challenges gravity too much. He will take a beating if he makes it to the NBA. What good are you if one out of five drives you are leaving the gym on crutches?

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer John Crosby can get to the rim almost anytime he puts his mind to it, but it gets real exciting when he gets there. We have had a bunch of players go through a period where finishing the drive was elusive. They can and do get better. Josh Parker was a shipwreck trying to finish. Scoochie as a Frosh was lacking in that skill. Whereas shooting is tough to improve, finishing is not as difficult with coaching and patience. Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops. Cooke has great athleticism, but he challenges gravity too much. He will take a beating if he makes it to the NBA. What good are you if one out of five drives you are leaving the gym on crutches?

I have to disagree with you here. If you watch the NBA, there is a lot less undercutting and challenging guys once they get to the rim at the NBA level than the college level. He will still take his lumps, but they are much more willing to let a guy finish to avoid injury in the NBA.

[flyerfan4life]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer John Crosby can get to the rim almost anytime he puts his mind to it, but it gets real exciting when he gets there. We have had a bunch of players go through a period where finishing the drive was elusive. They can and do get better. Josh Parker was a shipwreck trying to finish. Scoochie as a Frosh was lacking in that skill. Whereas shooting is tough to improve, finishing is not as difficult with coaching and patience. Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops. Cooke has great athleticism, but he challenges gravity too much. He will take a beating if he makes it to the NBA. What good are you if one out of five drives you are leaving the gym on crutches?

I agree with most of this stuff, but I'd challenge you to show me an example of Kyle finishing with his right hand. He rarely even dribbles with his left hand. That being said, though, Kyle is one of my favorite Flyers of all time. He oozes toughness and grit!

[Bill202]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Kyle has more ways to finish than I have seen. He is strong with the left, but also more than adequate with the right. He uses the rim and his body positioning as his shield. That plus his surprising hops.

Kyle may go to the right but he finishes with his left. AM made this point about a month ago on his Monday night show. The next game, I was watching and it was L L L R! L. I think he stuck a R in there to needle AM as I haven't seen one since.

[steve]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Not really his role typically - except in transition - but Pollard can manufacture. With the shot clock winding down, he can get it to the rim off the bounce. And he's probably getting the and 1. Or committing an offensive foul. One or the other. It's going to be important for Crosby, Mikesell and Xeyrius to develop this obviously as our shot manufacturers are seniors. As noted above, Crosby can make the circus shot. He's got some Kevin Dillard him in. Xeyrius seems like a guy who just wants to shoot over people - rather than go downhill. Would like to see him drive it a bit more. Mikesell seems to be the furthest along though in this regard. He's our 4th best downhill option right now. I think he's capable now, and his confidence seems to be growing... adding strength to ake sure he can finish will be key.

I would assume you mean down in the blocks? Yes, he can create a pretty good move and shot down low with a quick spin baseline or into the lane. Pollard usually ends up being a bull in a china shop when facing the basket from the perimeter whether the shot clock is dwindling or not.

[La Salle fan]

In light of the discussion about the trainer leaving the bench to attend to an obviously injured player, Cleon Roberts took a hard tumble under the basket in front of the La Salle bench in the last game versus SLU. Cleon was down for about 5 seconds it seemed before the trainer went to attend to him. I did not see the ref wave her over. Not saying he didn't say something to her but I don't think he did.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[pmcmullen]

Cooke needs to remember he's surrounded by other players. The ability to create is a great asset. Knowing when to take it and when to share and avoid a forced shot is an even bigger one!

I liked our rythm againt StB. We can play with anyone when we move like that. We're a crap 1-on-1 team. Cooke likes to play 1-on-1. Sometimes he likes to play 1-on-5!

[jack72]

Pollard creates the best with the clock winding down. He stands beyond the three point line and no one covers him. Wonder if that now changes?

[Bill202]

Originally Posted by jack72 Pollard creates the best with the clock winding down. He stands beyond the three point line and no one covers him. Wonder if that now changes?

Not in the first half. Only changes in the 2nd half if he makes some 3's.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

David Jablonski ‏@DavidPJablonski 2m2 minutes ago

Charles Cooke will not play tonight for @DaytonMBB vs. Rhode Island. He'll miss second straight game with back/wrist injuries.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Radar]

According to AM on his radio show, CC practiced for about an hour today and plan is to go "full bore" tomorrow. Assuming no setbacks, he's back.

[Gilchrist's Autograph 2]

Originally Posted by Radar According to AM on his radio show, CC practiced for about an hour today and plan is to go "full bore" tomorrow. Assuming no setbacks, he's back.

That is really good news. We have been playing great but need a guy like Cooke - another go-to weapon.
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[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Here is the link to his radio interview this afternoon.
https://soundcloud.com/dayton-radio

[lhsgolf19]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 3m3 minutes ago

Dayton's Charles Cooke (lower back) will play tonight against UMass, per a school spokesman.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 3m3 minutes ago Dayton's Charles Cooke (lower back) will play tonight against UMass, per a school spokesman.

I hope he let's the game come to him, and doesn't try to make up for lost time thinking he needs to score 50. But I am optimistic and encouraged by the news. I think he'll have a solid game tonight.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer I hope he let's the game come to him, and doesn't try to make up for lost time thinking he needs to score 50. But I am optimistic and encouraged by the news. I think he'll have a solid game tonight.

I hope he doesn't try to defy gravity again when he drives to the basket because nothing good happens when you land hard and we need him healthy and everyone else for the stretch run in the A-10!

[jack72]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer I hope he doesn't try to defy gravity again when he drives to the basket because nothing good happens when you land hard and we need him healthy and everyone else for the stretch run in the A-10!

Nothing like a little negative reinforcement to change a bad habit.

[Gilchrist's Autograph 2]

I noticed UMass bigs foul with great frequency. Just looking at stats I would think they rotate them in and out to pound the hell out of post players and guards driving the lane. I hope we come out of this healthy, especially with their mountain of a man at Center - 6'11 320?!
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	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[LIBob]

Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by LIBob Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.

Baloney. 3 games is not a representative sample, against different teams, venues, a game without DD. Too many variables to draw a conclusion.
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[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by LIBob Interesting stat I've been meaning to accumulate for a while. In the three games UD played with Cooke, they had 57 Assists on 86 FGs (66.2%). In the 14 games with Cooke they have 199 Assists on 357 FGs (55.7%). Definitely shows there is a lot less sharing with CC in the lineup.

I agree, but, I would also note that Cooke is the guy on the team most capable of creating his own shot. That's a kind way of saying that outside of SS nobody else on the team CAN create a shot in the flow of the offense. So we MUST pass the ball around to create a shot or the possession ends in a TO or a bad shot.

It would be interesting to know how many points per possession and the FG% without him in there. I think those complementary stats would help round out the story. My guess? We score less and turn the ball over more without him. But I could be wrong.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Wonder where the injuries stand?

I gotta assume Darrell is 100%, Charles is close if not 100%, Kendall is basically there.

Most importantly where is Kyle? And is Josh on track still for the best case of mid-February?

[CE80]

The other thing is that CC is the best at creating his own shot. It is expected that he will be assisted less than anyone else and therefore average assists will go down.

[Medford]

no matter the stats, its a 3 game sample size and way too small to judge anything off with certainty. To my eye, the ball definently moved better without him in there vs St Bonnies and Rhody, but was that a function of the game that would have been the same if Charles was in there or not? I have no clue. It also should be noted that this team has seen several very altered versions of itself:

There was the team w/o Pollard but with Josh for 2 games, then the team w/o either Pollard or Josh for several games, then the team w/ Pollard, but no Josh while pollard was rounding into form for 2 games, then a stretch of games with Pollard looking 100% but scoochie struggling, then the team with Scoochie clicking and Cooke hurt, and now perhaps finally vs Duquesne, a team with everyone outside of Cunningham as healthy as their going to be (we'll see about Kyle moving forward for the next few) and playing at a high level offensively (namely Cooke, Scoochie & Sir Kendall).

While we tend to only focus in on the Flyers, that is probably a fairly normal type of seasons for many college basketball teams, kids miss a handful of games in the middle the season, kids go thru slumps, etc.. plus the opponent changes every game, taking any 3 game sample and putting too much weight into it can be fool's gold.

what I'd really like to see by mid February is to see what this team looks like with everyone healthy (including Josh) and relatively performing at a high level. Seems like there is great potential, equal to if not better than what we saw at the start of last season before team chemistry was thrown out the window and everything fell apart.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.