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Old 02-14-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
No doubt, see previous post.

Look, I will admit that there is no foolproof way to do hiring, if there was, then everybody would be doing the same thing.

There is no guarantee that one of Archie's assistants would work out, just as there is no guarantee that AG is going to work out.

IMO, hiring one of Archie's assistants was the way to go, that approach had worked out for our peers VCU, Butler, and Xavier, I see no reason why it would not work for us. Archie displayed a high level of acumen, and it is my belief that one of more of his assistants would have been able to continue our upward trajectory, but obviously, reasonable people can disagree about all this.

Disagree, Wade was an assistant for SS at VCU for a several years, Rhoades was an assistant at VCU for WW for several years, Jordan was an assistant to Lickliter at Butler for several years. While not direct in-house hires, the school had familiarity with the coach.

That's the trick: how do you know when you have the right guy? You never know. To a degree, I will agree that it is all a crap shoot, but when 3 of our peers make several successful, similar, in-house-type hires, then I think that points to that as being a lower-risk, likely successful approach.

You listed examples of in-house assistants that did not work out, but you did not list all of the numerous examples of in-house-type assistants that did work out: Gillen, Prosser, Miller, Mack, Smart, Wade, Rhoades, Grant, Lickliter, Stevens, Holtmann, and Jordan.

I would venture to guess that in-house assistants have worked out much more often than they have failed.



See previous post, I am not giving him a pass. X is 12-13 right now, Grant was 14-17 last year, we will see what the final results are.

No doubt, he is struggling right now, but numerous other rookie head coaches have struggled early in their career, but they eventually worked past their struggles and became successful in the end. We will just have to wait and see. I am willing to give TS a bit more slack because he is a rookie.

Look, my complaint with Grant is that I just was not impressed with the job that he did at Alabama, and I feel that we could have done better. However, his Kenpom numbers IMO are indicating that he is open to changing his approach, which does give me some unexpected hope that he will not have Alabama-type results here.

I was not at all expecting him to change his approach, I am glad that he has learned from his past mistakes and is showing growth as a hc.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:16 AM
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Other than Ostrom, were the other Assistants offered positions at IU?

If Archie felt he needed to upgrade his Assistants and the AD believed they weren't ready, I'm having a hard time understanding the conviction in the opinion that succession was the way to go in this case.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
No doubt, see previous post.

Disagree, Wade was an assistant for SS at VCU for a several years, Rhoades was an assistant at VCU for WW for several years, Jordan was an assistant to Lickliter at Butler for several years. While not direct in-house hires, the school had familiarity with the coach.

That's the trick: how do you know when you have the right guy? You never know. To a degree, I will agree that it is all a crap shoot, but when 3 of our peers make several successful, similar, in-house-type hires, then I think that points to that as being a lower-risk, likely successful approach.

You listed examples of in-house assistants that did not work out, but you did not list all of the numerous examples of in-house-type assistants that did work out: Gillen, Prosser, Miller, Mack, Smart, Wade, Rhoades, Grant, Lickliter, Stevens, Holtmann, and Jordan.

I would venture to guess that in-house assistants have worked out much more often than they have failed.
Rhoades never worked as an assistant under Wade. Rhoades was the HC at Rice the 2 years Wade was the HC at VCU. Both were AC's under Shaka. Not a big deal, but I thought this should be corrected.
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It can work out but it wasn't going to work out with all of the second fiddle coaches that were on his staff.

Yes, in a perfect world a program has some continuity with a HC grooming a AC to take over. That wasn't the case with Archie.

Go talk to insiders. Go talk to anyone close to the program that isn't just a messageboard poster and you will quickly find out that none of them were ready or desirable to take over a program. Sure...they may have been able to coach, but there is more than just coaching when you take over a program.

As Chris mentioned...If these guys were so hot, why haven't they had any big time offers? Why haven't they had any low level offers? UD isn't some second rate program. Grant was and still is the better option than ANYONE on Miller's staff. Also find one on Archie's staff that is more well rounded and qualified than Solomon as an assistant? He has done more in his career than anyone on Miller's staff and more than Miller had prior to coming to UD.
And it could be argued that AG has done a better job than AM over the past 2 seasons.
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You guys are trying to change a thought process that was ingrained in ud2's brain at birth. He has two, no make that three, rules to live by regarding Flyer baskeyball 1. AG hire was a mistake, 2. should have hired an AM assistant, 3. the 15-15 schedule. He is wrong on the first two and the third one, to be fair, is open to debate.
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Has the ride changed much? When was the last time X was under .500 this late in the season?
X’s last sub-.500 season was 1995-96. Looked it up in their media guide once they went sub-.500 this season. Not sure the last time they were sub-.500 on Valentine’s Day.
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You guys are trying to change a thought process that was ingrained in ud2's brain at birth. He has two, no make that three, rules to live by regarding Flyer baskeyball 1. AG hire was a mistake, 2. should have hired an AM assistant, 3. the 15-15 schedule. He is wrong on the first two and the third one, to be fair, is open to debate.
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Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
You guys are trying to change a thought process that was ingrained in ud2's brain at birth. He has two, no make that three, rules to live by regarding Flyer basketball 1. AG hire was a mistake, 2. should have hired an AM assistant, 3. the 15-15 schedule. He is wrong on the first two and the third one, to be fair, is open to debate.

I was just getting ready to make a similar post. Those guys are all making great points. There is only one problem - they are trying to reason with ud2. Not possible. Besides, he's changing his argument. He has been saying you need to hire from within, a current assistant, for continuity. Now he is saying as long as the person was an assistant at the school at any time in the past it is a good hire because the school is familiar with him.

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I was just getting ready to make a similar post. Those guys are all making great points. There is only one problem - they are trying to reason with ud2. Not possible. Besides, he's changing his argument. He has been saying you need to hire from within, a current assistant, for continuity. Now he is saying as long as the person was an assistant at the school at any time in the past it is a good hire because the school is familiar with him.
Maybe once AG gets us to the NCAA's it will be as long as the hire was a player at the school....
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Lost 3 of their last 4. 8-4 in conference. 8 losses to date. National coach of the year? Over Tennessee, Nevada, Gonzaga, UVA? Nah!
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With what he’s done, with what he inherited/walked into, in less than a year at Louisville - he’s in the mix. You will see him mentioned and seriously discussed, although if they don’t rebound from this loss and finish in a similar fashion than they’ve been performing, that case will lose its steam.

I doubt he wins, barring a much stronger finish. But they’re on pace for a top 4 seed in the dance and that alone warrants consideration with what he walked into.
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...You will see him mentioned and seriously discussed, although if they don’t rebound from this loss and finish in a similar fashion than they’ve been performing, that case will lose its steam...
Yes, but after the way the Cards lost to Duke, shouldn’t they be “gaining steam”?
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Auburn (16-7) @ Vanderbilt (9-14)
Purdue Fort Wayne (16-10) @ Omaha (14-9)
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Mississippi State (17-7) @ Arkansas (14-10)
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North Florida (11-16) @ NJIT (18-8)
Detroit Mercy (9-16) @ Green Bay (12-13)
Miami (OH) (13-11) @ Western Michigan (7-17)
Coppin State (5-21) @ Maryland-Eastern Shore (4-23)

OOC games Sunday, February 17:
Tulsa (15-10) @ East Carolina (9-15)


A-10 games Friday, February 15:
Saint Joe's (11-15) 72 @ Davidson (19-6) 80

A-10 games Saturday, February 16:
VCU (18-6) @ Dayton (16-8)
George Washington (7-17) @ Duquesne (16-9)
Fordham (10-14) @ Rhode island (12-11)
La Salle (8-15) @ Saint Louis (16-9)

A-10 games Sunday, February 17:
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St Joe led that game much of the way. Foul trouble sealed their fate, as well as poor shot selection. Charlie Brown had to sit with three, then four fouls. Davidson beat them up in the last ten minutes.
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Minnesota is embarrassing the Hoosiers. With 12 minutes to go in the game, the Hoosiers have only 13 buckets an 4 assists. Dakich is the color guy for the game and has complained about "coaching" throughout the game, both implicitly and explicitly. I don't think there will be much patience for Archie if this continues through the end of the year. I spoke to a fellow from Beford, IN this week; he is friends with Damon Bailey who also lives in Beford. He told me that Archie's seat is getting extremely hot.
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Dakich was also stumping for Mid majors over teams like IU
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Notre Dame (13-12) 54 @ #4 Virginia (22-2) 60
Mississippi State (18-7) 77 @ Arkansas (14-11) 67
Auburn (17-8) 64 @ Vanderbilt (9-16) 53
Purdue Fort Wayne (17-11) 71 @ Omaha (16-9) 74
Oklahoma (16-10) 71 @ TCU (17-8) 62
Campbell (15-11) 71 @ Presbyterian (16-12) 76
DePaul (13-11) 78 @ Butler (15-11) 91
North Florida (12-16) 64 @ NJIT (18-9) 63
Detroit Mercy (10-17) 73 @ Green Bay (14-13) 82
Miami (OH) (13-12) 79 @ Western Michigan (8-18) 84 (OT)
Coppin State (6-21) 58 @ Maryland-Eastern Shore (4-24) 55

OOC games Sunday, February 17:
Tulsa (15-10) @ East Carolina (9-15)

OOC games Monday, February 18:
#4 Virginia (21-2) @ #22 Virginia Tech (19-5)


A-10 games Saturday, February 16:
VCU (19-6) 69 @ Dayton (16-9) 68
George Washington (7-18) 69 @ Duquesne (17-9) 85
Fordham (11-14) 66 @ Rhode island (12-12) 63 (OT)
La Salle (8-16) 49 @ Saint Louis (17-9) 62

A-10 games Sunday, February 17:
George Mason (15-10) @ St Bonaventure (10-14)

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Tulsa (16-10) 77 @ East Carolina (9-16) 73

OOC games Monday, February 18:
#4 Virginia (21-2) @ #22 Virginia Tech (19-5)

No OOC games Tuesday


A-10 games Sunday, February 17:
George Mason (15-11) 56 @ St Bonaventure (11-14) 79

No A-10 games Monday

A-10 games Tuesday, February 19:
Dayton (16-9) @ Davidson (19-6)
Rhode Island (12-12) @ VCU (19-6)

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OOC games Monday, February 18:
#3 Virginia (23-2) 64 @ #20 Virginia Tech (20-6) 58
Outside their two losses (Duke: 72-70, 81-71) nobody has played Virginia tougher than the Flyers this year.
That includes #8 North Carolina, #16 Florida State, #20 Virginia Tech, #22 Wisconsin, and # 24 Maryland

No OOC games Tuesday

OOC games Wednesday, February 20:
Mississippi State (18-7) @ Georgia (10-15)
Arkansas (14-11) @ Auburn (17-8)
Wichita State (12-12) @ Tulsa (16-10)
Butler (15-11) @ #10 Marquette (21-4)
North Florida (12-16) @ Jacksonville (12-15)


No A-10 games Monday

A-10 games Tuesday, February 19:
Dayton (16-9) @ Davidson (19-6)
Rhode Island (12-12) @ VCU (19-6)

A-10 games Wednesday, February 20:
La Salle (8-16) @ Saint Bonaventure (11-14)
Fordham (11-14) @ Richmond (10-15)
UMass (9-16) @ George Washington (7-18)

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Indiana continues to gain some big-time steam by scoring 46 at home in losing their 11th of 12. Lunardi has them in his “First Four Out,” says they just need to win a few more. Dakich said something like: “Yeah, Indiana has lost 11 of 12, but the one win was really big!”
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IU solidifying their resume with their 11th loss in 12 games. Now 13-13 and 4-11...squarely on the bubble as I see it.
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With less than a minute to go and IU clinging to a 2 pt lead the announcer says ‘IU trying to hold on to keep their NCAA boat afloat’

That comment in a nutshell is what is wrong with college sports and NCAAM in particular. Disgusting
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With less than a minute to go and IU clinging to a 2 pt lead the announcer says ‘IU trying to hold on to keep their NCAA boat afloat’

That comment in a nutshell is what is wrong with college sports and NCAAM in particular. Disgusting
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And if their next game is close there will be similar commentary...when do they finally fall off the bubble?
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Results for Tuesday, February 19 and upcoming games

No OOC games Tuesday

OOC games Wednesday, February 20:
Mississippi State (18-7) @ Georgia (10-15)
Arkansas (14-11) @ Auburn (17-8)
Wichita State (12-12) @ Tulsa (16-10)
Butler (15-11) @ #10 Marquette (21-4)
North Florida (12-16) @ Jacksonville (12-15)

OOC games Thursday, February 21:
Purdue Fort Wayne (17-11) @ South Dakota State (21-7)
Georgia Southern (16-10) @ Coastal Carolina (12-12)


A-10 games Tuesday, February 19:
Dayton (17-9) 74 @ Davidson (19-7) 73
Rhode Island (12-13) 42 @ VCU (20-6) 76

A-10 games Wednesday, February 20:
La Salle (8-16) @ Saint Bonaventure (11-14)
Fordham (11-14) @ Richmond (10-15)
UMass (9-16) @ George Washington (7-18)

No A-10 games Thursday

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Indiana continues to gain some big-time steam by scoring 46 at home in losing their 11th of 12. Lunardi has them in his “First Four Out,” says they just need to win a few more. Dakich said something like: “Yeah, Indiana has lost 11 of 12, but the one win was really big!”
Dakich’s comment would be like a Reds fan from a decade ago saying, “Yeah, Adam Dunn has struck out 11 of the last 12 times he came to the plate, but the one hit he got was a home run that went 550 feet!” Guess what, Dude. He’s still batting .083 in his last 12 times at the plate.
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With less than a minute to go and IU clinging to a 2 pt lead the announcer says ‘IU trying to hold on to keep their NCAA boat afloat’

That comment in a nutshell is what is wrong with college sports and NCAAM in particular. Disgusting
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I agree that it’s disgusting, but it’s also the announcer’s job to spur interest in the game, and comments that put gravitas on clinging to a slim lead against a ranked opponent do just that.

Also, if IU had hung-on to win, and then won the next 5, they’d be sitting at 19-12, which would put them in the discussion for an At-Large bid in today’s P5-driven NCAA world. As it is now, I think anything less than sweeping the rest of the season or winning the conference tournament puts them in the NIT at best and on the couch at worst.

Finally, I have to wonder 2 things about what’s going on in Bloomington:
-Is Archie still fostering the “my feces has no aroma” culture that apparently permeated his time here? And
-Is he starting to realize how good he had it here, with all the fire-breathing going on in Hoosierville?
My guesses are “Yes” and “Maybe”.
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Archie and IU will be fine. He hasn't suddenly forgot how to coach or recruit. Wow what a difference 2 or 3 years makes, though. The Miller's were all the chatter in the coaching world 3 years ago. Nothing lasts forever......expect maybe Duke and Coach K.

I don't believe they deserve to be in the Dance discussion this year, short of rolling off 6 or 7 straight to the B10 finals. That would somewhat "level" their resume as it relates to quality wins vs overall losses. It's a crime that at 13-13 they're even in the discussion. PARTICIPATION in a brutal B10 shouldn't be an auto invite to the Dance. You've got to win some (~40%-50%) of your conference games.

How many losses can be erased by 3 or 4 quality wins? They have strong wins at home over Marquette and Louisville, a quality neutral win on a prayer over Butler and then the mega scalp on the road at Mich. St. That MSU game went to OT as well, so they're a possession away from being mired in an unbelievable 12-game losing streak. Yes, they've also lost some close games in this seemingly endless skid as well.

I venture to say that a team like Dayton could pick up a just as many quality wins, probably even more, if given the opportunity to play THAT many quality teams in conference, with half of them coming at Home.

The thought that IU is even on a pundit's list for serious consideration is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in the Selection projection process in a long, long time.
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A-10 games Wednesday, February 20:

La Salle (8-16) @ Saint Bonaventure (11-14)
Fordham (11-14) @ Richmond (10-15)
UMass (9-16) @ George Washington (7-18)

Now there is a tasty serving of quality basketball. No winning teams and an aggregate
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I agree that it’s disgusting, but it’s also the announcer’s job to spur interest in the game, and comments that put gravitas on clinging to a slim lead against a ranked opponent do just that.

Also, if IU had hung-on to win, and then won the next 5, they’d be sitting at 19-12, which would put them in the discussion for an At-Large bid in today’s P5-driven NCAA world. As it is now, I think anything less than sweeping the rest of the season or winning the conference tournament puts them in the NIT at best and on the couch at worst.

Finally, I have to wonder 2 things about what’s going on in Bloomington:
-Is Archie still fostering the “my feces has no aroma” culture that apparently permeated his time here? And
-Is he starting to realize how good he had it here, with all the fire-breathing going on in Hoosierville?
My guesses are “Yes” and “Maybe”.
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May be more like the CIT. I believe the NIT requires a winning record to participate. Doesn’t look like the Hoosiers are going to make it.
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A-10 games Wednesday, February 20:

La Salle (8-16) @ Saint Bonaventure (11-14)
Fordham (11-14) @ Richmond (10-15)
UMass (9-16) @ George Washington (7-18)

Now there is a tasty serving of quality basketball. No winning teams and an aggregate
record of 56-93. I can just hear the announcers now trying to build some kind of excitement over that bunch.

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The Bonnies are actually fun to watch. And their coach is a first class guy.
Richmond has been playing better the last month.

Maybe they should put Dakich on the color analysis, he'll have all of them trending towards the bubble discussion and gaining steam.
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The Bonnies are actually fun to watch. And their coach is a first class guy . . .

St Bonaventure will finish in the top half of the A-10, and could definitely shake things up hosting Duquesne, at Davidson, and hosting St Louis.

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May be more like the CIT. I believe the NIT requires a winning record to participate. Doesn’t look like the Hoosiers are going to make it.
No, they got rid of that rule in 2017...no longer have to have a .500 record.

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Tuned in to catch the handshake line after Duke got smoked by NC and true to form Coach K sulked going through the line. Roy tried to lean in to talk to him and he wanted nothing to do with it, which is funny because when he wins he loves to pull the opposing coach close and talk to him. He's such a whiny sore loser.
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Results for Wednesday, February 20 and upcoming games

OOC games Wednesday, February 20:
Mississippi State (19-7) 68 @ Georgia (10-16) 67
Arkansas (14-12) 56 @ Auburn (18-8) 79
Wichita State (13-12) 81 @ Tulsa (16-11) 60
Butler (15-12) 69 @ #10 Marquette (22-4) 79
North Florida (13-16) 80 @ Jacksonville (12-16) 73 (OT)

OOC games Thursday, February 21:
Purdue Fort Wayne (17-11) @ South Dakota State (21-7)
Georgia Southern (16-10) @ Coastal Carolina (12-12)

No OOC games Friday


A-10 games Wednesday, February 20:
La Salle (8-17) 60 @ Saint Bonaventure (12-14) 62
Fordham (11-15) 69 @ Richmond (11-15) 72
UMass (9-17) 67 @ George Washington (8-18) 79

No A-10 games Thursday

A-10 games Friday, February 22:
Davidson (19-7) @ Rhode Island (12-13)

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OOC games Wednesday, February 20:
Mississippi State (19-7) 68 @ Georgia (10-16) 67
Tie game with .5 seconds left when someone threw something on the court after a Miss State played missed a free throw - technical called against the home team and MSU hits one of two free throws (the object was thrown in the middle of 2 shots) for the win

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How are the officials 100% sure that it was a Georgia fan that threw the stuffed animal? This could open a whole can of worms
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Georgia fans are POd about foul call with 0.5 sec left....object came from Georgia season ticket section...MSU was shooting the FT...Georgia coach (Crean) doesn't argue and addresses fans via microphone.

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I watched the entire UNC/Duke game, and have to say that was not enjoyable basketball. Especially the first half looked like an NBA all-star game. Duke's only defense pretty much all night was when UNC missed a shot on its own. Duke and UNC players just threw up threes early in the shot clock. Roy Williams quipped, "I think some of our guys threw up shots before they caught the ball." Combined they were 10-59 on threes.

Very sad that the #1 team makes almost no attempt to play defense or run an offense. My wife watches little basketball, but I took her to the UD/Davidson game. She said upon watching Duke, "What is wrong with these guys they just play as fast as they can with no purpose?" I guess right now they just out athlete most teams, but those guys need to turn pro. Coach K has to be hating it.

I thought Williams was pure class as he talked at length as to how hard it was on Duke to lose Williamson.
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Agree Jack. It looked like a NBA all star game. Players just racing around looking out of control some of the time. Not a fan of Roy, but it was fun to watch coach K with all his all-americans get his butt kicked on his home floor. Amazing the talent he gets. I have two favorite teams, the Flyers and whoever is playing Duke(maybe three if I include whoever is playing X)
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If he hates it he doesn't have to recruit those kind of players...he sold his soul a long time ago...he's a complete egomaniac who only cares about winning national championships.
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Results for Thursday, February 21 and upcoming games


OOC games Thursday, February 21:
Purdue Fort Wayne (17-12) 83 @ South Dakota State (22-7) 92
Georgia Southern (17-10) 79 @ Coastal Carolina (12-13) 74

No OOC games Friday

OOC games Saturday, February 23
#3 Virginia (23-2) @ #18 Louisville (18-9)
South Carolina (14-12) @ Mississippi State (19-7)
Auburn (18-8) @ #4 Kentucky (22-4)
Texas (15-11) @ Oklahoma (16-10)
Georgia Southern (16-10) @ Appalachian State (9-16)
Tulsa (16-11) @ Temple (19-7)
Presbyterian (16-12) @ UNC Asheville (4-22)
Liberty 23-5) @ North Florida (13-16)
Detroit Mercy (10-17) @ Oakland (12-16)
Western Michigan (8-18) @ Eastern Michigan (12-14)
Howard (12-15) @ Coppin State (6-21)


No A-10 games Thursday

A-10 games Friday, February 22:
Davidson (19-7) @ Rhode Island (12-13)

A-10 games Saturday, February 23:
St Louis (17-9) @ Dayton (17-9)
Richmond (11-15) @ La Salle (8-17)
Saint Joe's (11-15) @ UMass (8-17)
George Washington (8-18) @ VCU (20-6)
Duquesne (17-9) @ George Mason (15-11)
St Bonaventure (12-14) @ Fordham (11-15)

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And Archie’s nightmare season/losing streak continues. Unbelievable. This time, at the hands of who is becoming one of my favorite players not wearing a UD uniform.........Jordan Bohannon
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Results for Friday, February 22 and upcoming games

No OOC games Friday

OOC games Saturday, February 23
#3 Virginia (23-2) @ #18 Louisville (18-9)
South Carolina (14-12) @ Mississippi State (19-7)
Auburn (18-8) @ #4 Kentucky (22-4)
Texas (15-11) @ Oklahoma (16-10)
Georgia Southern (16-10) @ Appalachian State (9-16)
Tulsa (16-11) @ Temple (19-7)
Presbyterian (16-12) @ UNC Asheville (4-22)
Liberty 23-5) @ North Florida (13-16)
Detroit Mercy (10-17) @ Oakland (12-16)
Western Michigan (8-18) @ Eastern Michigan (12-14)
Howard (12-15) @ Coppin State (6-21)

No OOC games Sunday


A-10 games Friday, February 22:
Davidson (20-7) 75 @ Rhode Island (12-14) 66

A-10 games Saturday, February 23:
St Louis (17-9) @ Dayton (17-9)
Richmond (11-15) @ La Salle (8-17)
Saint Joe's (11-15) @ UMass (8-17)
George Washington (8-18) @ VCU (20-6)
Duquesne (17-9) @ George Mason (15-11)
St Bonaventure (12-14) @ Fordham (11-15)

No A-10 games Sunday

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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
And Archie’s nightmare season/losing streak continues. Unbelievable. This time, at the hands of who is becoming one of my favorite players not wearing a UD uniform.........Jordan Bohannon
Actually IU played pretty well.
Bohannon was just unbelievable at end of regulation and especially in OT. I have no idea how he hit some of those threes. Deep and contested. Would love UD to get a kid that can shoot like that.
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And Archie’s nightmare season/losing streak continues. Unbelievable. This time, at the hands of who is becoming one of my favorite players not wearing a UD uniform.........Jordan Bohannon

Kid is clutch, almost single-handedly stole that one from Archie and Co. Archie looked like he was blowing gaskets while Bohannon was sinking baskets.
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Cant win the close ones. Doesnt use timeouts. Folds under pressure. Outcoached in crunch time. Door mat with officials. Has a lottery pick and 1st team Big 10 post player in the starting five. He shouldnt even be in coaching. Uhh right? Wait. Uhh? Or? I forget. Hold on. Wait whats the? Who said? Does this? Are we? Wheres the?
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Tie game with .5 seconds left when someone threw something on the court after a Miss State played missed a free throw - technical called against the home team and MSU hits one of two free throws (the object was thrown in the middle of 2 shots) for the win
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Actually IU played pretty well.
Bohannon was just unbelievable at end of regulation and especially in OT. I have no idea how he hit some of those threes. Deep and contested. Would love UD to get a kid that can shoot like that.
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They played even through regulation against a very underperforming Iowa team. Neither looked like a top 100 ball club.
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Cant win the close ones. Doesnt use timeouts. Folds under pressure. Outcoached in crunch time. Door mat with officials. Has a lottery pick and 1st team Big 10 post player in the starting five. He shouldnt even be in coaching. Uhh right? Wait. Uhh? Or? I forget. Hold on. Wait whats the? Who said? Does this? Are we? Wheres the?
This is old argument about the Indian and Arrow (at least in golf). Which is more important, coaching, talent or execution?

The reality is that coaches have the biggest impact before the game, drawing up game plans and preparing the team. In game, coaches can try to make adjustments, etc. but it really comes down to talent and execution during the game the vast majority of the time. Coaches can't make FTs or make 3 point shots for players.
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Hoosiers "gaining steam and passing the eye test". Lost at Iowa, 13-14 for the year and jumped up three places in the NET. If they finish 13-18 they will probably be a top ten NET team.
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Hoosiers "gaining steam and passing the eye test". Lost at Iowa, 13-14 for the year and jumped up three places in the NET. If they finish 13-18 they will probably be a top ten NET team.
Especially if they keep losing close games. I've been saying this for a while now that quality of losses is starting to become as important as winning. Winning as the objective is starting to become secondary.
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Good game between UVA and Uof L. Announcer noted that UVA was down 12, and this would be their biggest comeback win since Dayton. UVA up 51-47 at Louisville. Mack just went ballistic on a bad call and got T'd.
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Mack just went ballistic on a bad call and got T'd.
I seriously do not think I've ever watched a game he's coached and lost, when he didn't unhinge on officiating. The dude is a clown, no other coach in the game that makes it so easy to root against.
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Especially if they keep losing close games. I've been saying this for a while now that quality of losses is starting to become as important as winning. Winning as the objective is starting to become secondary.
And, of course, “quality of losses” is most important to teams in P5 conferences, where they can fatten-up on patsies at home in December, MAYBE play in an exempt tournament (where their weaknesses could be exposed), then play .500 in-con and get a 9-seed in The Dance.

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it's about racking about quad 1 wins. After Oklahoma last year it seems like they value a team that goes 4-9 vs. Quad 1 over the team that goes 2-1 but with more overall wins
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Auburn looked like a million dollars against us, and a hundred dollars since. They are 6-6 in their last 12 games, and getting blown out of the gym by UK.
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Auburn looked like a million dollars against us, and a hundred dollars since. They are 6-6 in their last 12 games, and getting blown out of the gym by UK.
Austin Wiley injury really hurt them
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Flyers alone in third place

Results for Saturday, February 23 and upcoming games

OOC games Saturday, February 23
#3 Virginia (24-2) 64 @ #18 Louisville (18-10) 52
South Carolina (14-13) 61 @ Mississippi State (20-7) 76
Auburn (18-9) 53 @ #4 Kentucky (23-4) 80
Georgia Southern (18-10) 92 @ Appalachian State (9-18) 69
Texas (15-12) 67 @ Oklahoma (17-10) 69
Presbyterian (17-12) 71 @ UNC Asheville (4-24) 55
Tulsa (16-12) 73 @ Temple (20-7) 84
Liberty 23-6) 70 @ North Florida (14-16) 75 (Big upset!)
Detroit Mercy (10-18) 75 @ Oakland (13-16) 95
Western Michigan (8-19) 76
@ Eastern Michigan (13-14) 77 (OT)
Howard (13-15) 74 @ Coppin State (6-22) 73

No OOC games Sunday

OOC games Monday, February 25:
Oklahoma (16-10) @ #19 Iowa State (19-7)
Delaware State (4-20) @ Coppin State (6-21)


A-10 games Saturday, February 23:
St Louis (17-10) 62 @ Dayton (18-9) 70
George Washington (8-19) 57 @ VCU (21-6) 85
Duquesne (18-9) 79 @ George Mason (15-12) 78
St Bonaventure (13-14) 74 @ Fordham (11-16) 53
Richmond (12-15) 84 @ La Salle (8-18) 75
Saint Joe's (11-16) 79 @ UMass (10-17) 80

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Good game between UVA and Uof L. Announcer noted that UVA was down 12, and this would be their biggest comeback win since Dayton. UVA up 51-47 at Louisville. Mack just went ballistic on a bad call and got T'd.
Mack's sorry act on the sidelines is exactly why I'm glad close/controversial calls by the officials aren't replayed on the video boards at UD Arena. That block/charge call where UVA player was clearly on the line kept getting replayed at the YUMYUM center, which only incited the crowd further and sent Mack spiraling and F-bombing out of control.

Not sure if it's a conference rule what to replay on video boards, but glad the close ones aren't shown at UD.
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OOC games Monday, February 25:
Oklahoma (16-10) @ #19 Iowa State (19-7)
Delaware State (4-20) @ Coppin State (6-21)

OOC games Tuesday, February 26:
Missouri (12-14) @ Mississippi State (20-7)
Providence (15-13) @ Butler (15-12)
Stetson (7-22) @ North Florida (14-16)
Western Michigan (8-19) @ Northern Illinois (12-15)


No A-10 games Sunday or Monday

A-10 games Tuesday, February 26:
Dayton (18-9) @ UMass (10-17)
Saint Louis (17-10) @ VCU (21-6)
George Washington (8-19) @ Rhode Island (12-14)

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Mack's sorry act on the sidelines is exactly why I'm glad close/controversial calls by the officials aren't replayed on the video boards at UD Arena. That block/charge call where UVA player was clearly on the line kept getting replayed at the YUMYUM center, which only incited the crowd further and sent Mack spiraling and F-bombing out of control.

Not sure if it's a conference rule what to replay on video boards, but glad the close ones aren't shown at UD.
I wish they would show it at the Arena, especially when they go to the monitor. As a fan, I'd like to have a look at it again. Luckily, with the enhanced WiFi, I can usually find it online if there's a break in the action.
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What is the point of having video boards if you do not show replays? I understand controversial plays, but not others. Last week at Davidson, they had two great video boards and showed few replays the entire game. What a waste of money for the boards.
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OOC games Monday, February 25:
Oklahoma (17-11) 61 @ Iowa State (20-8) 78
Delaware State (5-21) 70 @ Coppin State (6-23) 60

OOC games Tuesday, February 26:
Missouri (12-14) @ Mississippi State (20-7)
Providence (15-13) @ Butler (15-12)
Stetson (7-22) @ North Florida (14-16)
Western Michigan (8-19) @ Northern Illinois (12-15)

OOC games Wednesday, February 27:
Georgia Tech (12-16) @ #2 Virginia (24-2)
Auburn (18-9) @ Georgia (10-17)
Presbyterian (17-12) @ Gardner-Webb (18-11)


No A-10 games Monday

A-10 games Tuesday, February 26:
Dayton (18-9) @ UMass (10-17)
Saint Louis (17-10) @ VCU (21-6)
George Washington (8-19) @ Rhode Island (12-14)

A-10 games Wednesday, February 27:
Davidson (20-7) @ Ls Salle (8-18)
Duquesne (18-9) @ Saint Bonaventure (13-14)
Richmond (12-15) @ George Mason (15-12)
Saint Joe's (11-16) @ Fordham (11-16)


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Oklahoma has fallen on hard times since the Big 12 conference season started. After they defeated Dayton 65-54 in the third-place game at the Battle 4 Atlantis and finished the non con at 12-1 they are presently 17-11 and 5-10 in the Big 12 after their 78-61 loss tonight to Iowa State. Iowa State 20-8 is projected as a 7 seed in the latest bracketology and Oklahoma is still projected as a 10 seed!

I enjoyed watching this game tonight as Marial Shayok scored 21 pts. and Talen Horton-Tucker went for 18. The 6'6" wing, Shayok, who is a senior is the son of Makor Shayok the 6'9" center who played for the Flyers in 1990-91 and 1991-92. I will never forget being there at UD Arena in 1990 for his first game as a Flyer after transferring from Bradley. After much hype he led the Flyers onto the court in warmups before the game and the crowd was excited anticipating his dunk and he clanked it off the back of the rim. I thought, "Oh no, this is not good." I don't know if Marial, who is averaging 18.5 pts. per game this season, has any younger brothers we could recruit but it would be worth investigating.


Talen Horton-Tucker is a 6'4" 238 lb. Freshman guard who was on our radar last year. He is a really talented player for the Cyclones.

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I thought Makor was a JUCO transfer?
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Oklahoma has fallen on hard times since the Big 12 conference season started. After they defeated Dayton 65-54 in the third-place game at the Battle 4 Atlantis and finished the non con at 12-1 they are presently 17-11 and 5-10 in the Big 12 after their 78-61 loss tonight to Iowa State . . .

I'm thinking Oklahoma might have run into some injury problems, not sure.
BTW, I wouldn't mind if Coppin State never darkened the Arena doors again - that's a buy game that definitely wasn't worth the money.

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I'm thinking Oklahoma might have run into some injury problems, not sure.
BTW, I wouldn't mind if Coppin State never darkened the Arena doors again - that's a buy game that definitely wasn't worth the money.

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Wasn't a buy game. It came with the Battle of Atlantis deal, we had no say
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I thought Makor was a JUCO transfer?
Sorry, CT Flyer, you are correct. I had my facts wrong. Makor played two seasons at Alvin Community College in Texas before transferring to Dayton. He was from Sudan and didn't start playing basketball until his senior year in high school mostly because of the success of Manute Bol in the NBA who was also from Sudan. Makor averaged 9.2 points and 6.1 rebounds in his two seasons with the Flyers.

Also Makor had five sons and the eldest played for Bradley in 2010-11. Marial is the youngest so there are no more younger brothers for the Flyers to recruit.
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Sorry, CT Flyer, you are correct. I had my facts wrong. Makor played two seasons at Alvin Community College in Texas before transferring to Dayton. He was from Sudan and didn't start playing basketball until his senior year in high school mostly because of the success of Manute Bol in the NBA who was also from Sudan. Makor averaged 9.2 points and 6.1 rebounds in his two seasons with the Flyers.

Also Makor had five sons and the eldest played for Bradley in 2010-11. Marial is the youngest so there are no more younger brothers for the Flyers to recruit.
Makor was great. Lived in the "ghetto" with his family while I was at UD.
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I'm thinking Oklahoma might have run into some injury problems, not sure.
BTW, I wouldn't mind if Coppin State never darkened the Arena doors again - that's a buy game that definitely wasn't worth the money.

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Looking at their stats, it doesn't appear they've had injury issues. Their top 6 scorers have played in all 28 games this season and 7 of their top 8 minutes guys have played in all 28 games. They have 17 min/game guy who averages 5.5 points who has missed 4 games and a 12 min/game guy who averages 3.4 points who has missed (or not played in) 2 games.

I think Oklahoma could play its way off the bubble, to the dark side. They're probably looking at a 6-12 finish in the B12 with games vs KU and @KSU. THAT kind of conference record is tough to overcome.

For you Priders who are still thinking about UD as an at-large, the UD loss to Oklahoma will still probably be considered a "quality" loss on the resume and we could certainly pass Oklahoma in the bubble pecking order, despite our head to head loss. It doesn't seem to be factoring in re: Butler/Dayton. Of course, passing Oklahoma in the bubble pecking order doesn't help much if we're BOTH on the dark side of the cut line.
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Makor was great. Lived in the "ghetto" with his family while I was at UD.
He and his wife Helen, along with at least a few of the kids at that time, lived across the street from me on Stonemill.
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Results for Tuesday, February 26 and upcoming games:

OOC games Tuesday, February 26:
Missouri (12-15) 49 @ Mississippi State (21-7) 68
Providence (16-13) 73 @ Butler (15-13) 67 (OT)
Stetson (7-23) 67 @ North Florida (15-16) 77
Western Michigan (8-20) 65 @ Northern Illinois (13-15) 70

OOC games Wednesday, February 27:
Georgia Tech (12-16) @ #2 Virginia (24-2)
Auburn (18-9) @ Georgia (10-17)
Presbyterian (17-12) @ Gardner-Webb (18-11)

OOC games Thursday, February 28:
Little Rock (10-17) @ Georgia Southern (18-10)
North Dakota (11-16) @ Purdue Fort Wayne (17-12)
Tulane (4-22) @ Tulsa (16-12)
IUPUI (16-13) @ Detroit Mercy (10-18)


A-10 games Tuesday, February 26:
Dayton (19-9) 72 @ UMass (10-18) 48
Saint Louis (17-11) 65 @ VCU (22-6) 71
George Washington (8-20) 53 @ Rhode Island (13-14) 80

A-10 games Wednesday, February 27:
Davidson (20-7) @ Ls Salle (8-18)
Duquesne (18-9) @ Saint Bonaventure (13-14)
Richmond (12-15) @ George Mason (15-12)
Saint Joe's (11-16) @ Fordham (11-16)

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And this is why it's so hard for non P5 school to get in tournament. OSU defeats #22 Iowa 90-70. Indiana up over Wisconsin 45-34 12 minutes left in the game. Those will end up as q1 or q2 wins if they hold, so despite IU having such a poor conference record overall, a few signature wins will end up rewarding them.
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I'm not sure who was SLU's worst enemy in their game tonight against VCU: the officials, or themselves.

Officials: They almost seemed to be adopting the "we can't call all the fouls, so why try?" mindset. And most of the borderline calls went VCU's way (no surprise - they were at home). Case in point: on French's 5th foul (yes, he and Foreman both fouled out), he caught a pass from the left wing, and turned without moving his feet. Meanwhile, a VCU defender came from the weak side, jumped into French's space (straddling French's leg as he did), then flopped when French pivoted to face the hoop. Offensive foul SLU, and French was done for the night.

Themselves: SLU runs one of the most "playground" offenses in the A10. They rely on muscle and athleticism, but have very low levels of basketball skill. Cases in point: Both Bess and Isabell went to the line down the stretch tonight with chances to cut into the VCU lead. Both of them spit the bit big-time. I remember seeing a graphic showing that Bess was shooting over 81% from the line this year, but he was 4/7 for the night as he lined-up for the FT...and he bricked the shot. And I saw Isabell miss 2 FTs short by almost a foot each time. I think one of them even hit the underside of the front of the rim. Just mind-boggling.

At any rate, we could have used the help tonight, but SLU had too many athletes and not enough ballplayers. Hence, the 71-65 final.

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Indiana misses a last second shot and goes to OT.
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Indiana wins in 3OT thanks to Wisconsin missing 5 straight FTs.
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Indiana wins in 3OT thanks to Wisconsin missing 5 straight FTs.
The only two games they have won since Januard 3rd -- Mich State and Wisky -- are because those teams flat out gift-wrapped the W to them at the foul line. Sparty went 8-22 from the stripe if you remember. All the Badgers have to do is make free throws in OT and the game is nailed shut.

Also, almost every subjective call went IUs way in the last 10 minutes. A pretty weak flagrant call when UW was up 4pts basically tied the game. And then a Badger player gets decapitated by four IU defenders on the other end with no call inside the paint. Then IU commits a flagrant themselves by grabbing the jersey on a spin move by a UW player. Not only do they not call the flagrant foul, they dont even allow for a continuation call as the UW guy made the basket.

Badgers were trying every which way to lose it, the officials were trying every which way to keep IU in it -- and IU still almost blew it. Pretty inexcusable to let Romeo go right though. You should be sitting on that right arm from halfcourt. Both teams looked like bottom seed NIT teams tonight to be honest. Awful shooting, bad offensive sets, poor FT shooting, turnovers, etc. It was not a good sales job for Big10 basketball.

In other news, bubble teams TCU and Temple lost tonight.

Re: VCU defense. You could foul out half their starting lineup by halftime if you just called all their handchecking fouls. Freedom of movement is suspended in animation when officials do their games for reasons I cant quite understand.
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Didn't someone say the home team gets the refs? Do the same refs work many VCU games? I wonder if they look for refs who let them play their style of basketball. I may be way off on that, but I thought that's what someone said.
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Didn't someone say the home team gets the refs? Do the same refs work many VCU games? I wonder if they look for refs who let them play their style of basketball. I may be way off on that, but I thought that's what someone said.
You're way off...games are assigned independently.
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Re: VCU defense. You could foul out half their starting lineup by halftime if you just called all their handchecking fouls. Freedom of movement is suspended in animation when officials do their games for reasons I cant quite understand.
This! Never understood it either.
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Re: VCU defense. You could foul out half their starting lineup by halftime if you just called all their handchecking fouls. Freedom of movement is suspended in animation when officials do their games for reasons I cant quite understand.
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This! Never understood it either.
FWIW, hand checking is LEGAL unless:
(a) you put 2 hands on the ball handler
(b) you place 1 hand on the ball handler AND extend your arm straight.

In other words, you can touch, touch, touch, touch, touch Crutcher over and over and over as long as it's only 1 hand at a time. This isn't 4th grade so the offensive player is expected to be able to play thru 'soft' contact. HOWEVER, 2 hand contact is a different story as it can easily 'IMPEDE' the offensive player, as can 1 extended arm where the elbow is locked. 'IMPEDE' is the standard for the foul call...keep that in mind.

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In other news, bubble teams TCU and Temple lost tonight.
Butler lost at home last night, as did South Carolina.

That probably moves our Quad 1 win over Butler to a Quad 2 win now, as Butler's NET was ~50 yesterday.


Tonight:

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UCF at South Florida
Arizona St. at Oregon
St. Mary's home to Portland

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Butler lost at home last night, as did South Carolina.

That probably moves our Quad 1 win over Butler to a Quad 2 win now, as Butler's NET was ~50 yesterday.
Butler is now at NET 52. UD's quadrants are 1-5, 1-3, 6-1, 11-0.
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Butler is now at NET 52. UD's quadrants are 1-5, 1-3, 6-1, 11-0.
Yeah, we could really use the Bonnies and Rhode Island to creep into the Top 135. They're both hovering around NET ~140 and our road wins there would move to Quad 2.

I HATE the black and white "cut lines" on those types of metrics/ranking systems, because it's kind of some smoke and mirrors.

Is our win really THAT much better, to go from Quad 3 to Quad 2, over a Rhode Island team that is NET #136 vs a Rhode Island team that is NET #134??
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LaSalle is pounding Davidson with just a couple minutes remaining. Bonnies laying it on Duquesne.
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La Salle completes the upset... We are now in the driver's seat for the 2 seed in the tourney
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Just heard from a very reliable source that Duquesne’s Sincere Carry is done for the season with more knee problems.
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Also, almost every subjective call went IUs way in the last 10 minutes. A pretty weak flagrant call when UW was up 4pts basically tied the game. And then a Badger player gets decapitated by four IU defenders on the other end with no call inside the paint. Then IU commits a flagrant themselves by grabbing the jersey on a spin move by a UW player. Not only do they not call the flagrant foul, they dont even allow for a continuation call as the UW guy made the basket.

Badgers were trying every which way to lose it, the officials were trying every which way to keep IU in it -- and IU still almost blew it. Pretty inexcusable to let Romeo go right though. You should be sitting on that right arm from halfcourt. Both teams looked like bottom seed NIT teams tonight to be honest. Awful shooting, bad offensive sets, poor FT shooting, turnovers, etc. It was not a good sales job for Big10 basketball.

Spot on analysis. The entire game aura had this weird “Aww c’mon, let’s finally get Indiana a win in front of the home crowd” vibe. It was almost like watching a movie where you can sense where the directors are trying to go with the script, but you’re not sure how long it will take to get there. Like “Hoosiers” where you know Jimmy Chitwood (Romeo Langford) is eventually going to hit the big game winning shot. LOL
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Results for Wednesday, February 27 and upcoming games:

OOC games Wednesday, February 27:
Georgia Tech (12-17) 51 @ #2 Virginia (25-2) 81
Auburn (19-9) 76 @ Georgia (10-18) 75
Presbyterian (17-13) 70 @ Gardner-Webb (19-11) 78

OOC games Thursday, February 28:
Little Rock (10-17) @ Georgia Southern (18-10)
North Dakota (11-16) @ Purdue Fort Wayne (17-12)
Tulane (4-22) @ Tulsa (16-12)
IUPUI (16-13) @ Detroit Mercy (10-18)

No OOC games Friday


A-10 games Wednesday, February 27:
Davidson (20-8) 69 @ La Salle (9-18) 79
Duquesne (18-10) 47 @ Saint Bonaventure (14-14) 68
Richmond (12-16) 63 @ George Mason (16-12) 77
Saint Joe's (12-16) 66 @ Fordham (11-17) 52

No A-10 games Thursday

A-10 games Friday, March 1:
Rhode Island (13-14) @ Dayton (19-9)


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Results for Thursda, February 28 and upcoming games:

OOC games Thursday, February 28:
Little Rock (10-18) 66 @ Georgia Southern (19-10) 81
North Dakota (12-16) 88 @ Purdue Fort Wayne (17-13) 82
Tulane (4-23) 64 @ Tulsa (17-12) 72
IUPUI (16-14) 85 @ Detroit Mercy (11-18) 87

No OOC games Friday

OOC games Saturday, March 2:
Pittsburgh (12-16) @ #2 Virginia (25-2)
Mississippi State (21-7) @ Auburn (19-9)
Arkansas State (12-15) @ Georgia Southern (18-10)
West Virginia (11-17) @ Oklahoma (17-11)
North Dakota State (14-14) @ Purdue Fort Wayne (17-12)
Charleston Southern (14-14) @ Presbyterian (17-13)
Butler (15-13) @ Villanova (21-8)
Illinois-Chicago (15-14) @ Detroit Mercy (10-16)
Ball State (14-14) @ Western Michigan (8-20)
Coppin State (6-23) @ Norfolk State (17-11)


No A-10 games Thursday

A-10 games Friday, March 1:
Rhode Island (13-14) @ Dayton (19-9)

A-10 games Saturday, March 2:
VCU (22-6) @ Richmond (12-16)
Fordham (11-17) @ Davidson (20-8)
George Mason (16-12) @ Saint Louis (17-11)
Saint Bonaventure (14-14) @ George Washington (8-20)
UMass (10-16) @ Duquesne (18-10)
La Salle (9-18) @ Saint Joe's (12-16)


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Rats!

Results for Friday, March 1 and upcoming games:

No OOC games Friday

OOC games Saturday, March 2:
Pittsburgh (12-16) @ #2 Virginia (25-2)
Mississippi State (21-7) @ Auburn (19-9)
Arkansas State (12-15) @ Georgia Southern (18-10)
West Virginia (11-17) @ Oklahoma (17-11)
North Dakota State (14-14) @ Purdue Fort Wayne (17-12)
Charleston Southern (14-14) @ Presbyterian (17-13)
Butler (15-13) @ Villanova (21-8)
Illinois-Chicago (15-14) @ Detroit Mercy (10-16)
Ball State (14-14) @ Western Michigan (8-20)
Coppin State (6-23) @ Norfolk State (17-11)

OOC games Sunday, March 3:
East Carolina (10-17) @ Tulsa (17-12)


A-10 games Friday, March 1:
Rhode Island (14-14) 72 @ Dayton (19-10) 70 (OT)

A-10 games Saturday, March 2:
VCU (22-6) @ Richmond (12-16)
Fordham (11-17) @ Davidson (20-8)
George Mason (16-12) @ Saint Louis (17-11)
Saint Bonaventure (14-14) @ George Washington (8-20)
UMass (10-16) @ Duquesne (18-10)
La Salle (9-18) @ Saint Joe's (12-16)

No A-10 games Sunday


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