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Originally Posted by UDTradition View Post
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-to.../bracketology/

This site thinks that OSU has a 22% chance .... sounds about right. UD is over 30%

If I'm interpreting it correctly, it shows us with a 30% chance of making the tourney broken out as 21% chance of the auto bid and 9% chance of an at large. By comparison, OSU is at 22% chance of making the tourney, with 2%/20% chance of auto bid/at large. Wright State is at 31% to make the tourney with it all hinging on them getting the auto bid.
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If you don't think the NET is having it's desired effect, look at Lunardi's latest Bracketology.

Non-P5 (and Big East) conferences with multiple bids

American (4)
Mountain West (2)

That's it.

FOUR at-large bids.
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
If you don't think the NET is having it's desired effect, look at Lunardi's latest Bracketology.

Non-P5 (and Big East) conferences with multiple bids

American (4)
Mountain West (2)

That's it.

FOUR at-large bids.
I am hoping VCU, Buffalo, Wofford and Nevada lose in their conference tourneys. I will be very curious to see how they are treated.
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I am hoping VCU, Buffalo, Wofford and Nevada lose in their conference tourneys. I will be very curious to see how they are treated.
To see how who is treated? Those conferences? Or those specific teams? Nevada and Buffalo are LOCKS, with Nevada a legit Final Four contender and Buffalo a legit Sweet 16 team. VCU seems like a virtual lock. Wofford would be interesting, particularly if they lost to Furman in their tourney. BUT the SoCon is getting a lot of quality pub from the pundits on the overall strength of their conference this year.
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Lunardi's update is out. Flyers are 6 teams OUT in his latest projection.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

Analyze away. It will be tough for us to make much headway without any quality win opps left on the schedule. Winning out may just keep us treading water, as it really won't change our resume at all. We'll need some of these surrounding bubble teams to pick up a late season eye sore or two, and avoid any quality wins themselves.

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I am hoping VCU, Buffalo, Wofford and Nevada lose in their conference tourneys. I will be very curious to see how they are treated.
I also hope VCU loses. To us. In the championship.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
Lunardi's update is out. Flyers are 6 teams OUT in his latest projection.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

Analyze away. It will be tough for us to make much headway without any quality win opps left on the schedule. Winning out may just keep us treading water, as it really won't change our resume at all. We'll need some of these surrounding bubble teams to pick up a late season eye sore or two, and avoid any quality wins themselves.
Whether we get in or not (not sure we have room for any losses) - the fact that we play 7 guys, only 2 of which had any impact on this team at all prior to last year, and we are even in the conversation is remarkable. AG has done a great job putting together a competitive team when the odds were stacked against him.

Even better is that there is evidence that next year will be another large step forward.

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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
Lunardi's update is out. Flyers are 6 teams OUT in his latest projection.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...l/bracketology

Analyze away. It will be tough for us to make much headway without any quality win opps left on the schedule. Winning out may just keep us treading water, as it really won't change our resume at all. We'll need some of these surrounding bubble teams to pick up a late season eye sore or two, and avoid any quality wins themselves.

Plus you got to factor in the inevitable bid stealer or two. I've haven't seen a path for UD to make the tournament since the calendar flipped over, but they are much closer at this point than I thought they'd be at any point this season; win out the next 4 and lets see where things stand heading into Brooklyn.
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Last 6 out from Lunardi as of yesterday...there are better places to be, but there are way, wayyyy worse places to be. While we could have viably have pulled out wins vs Miss St, Tulsa, Mason and VCU x2 to improve our position, we are pretty much where I thought our best case scenario would be at the beginning of the year. Some of that is due to a weak bubble, but whatever I'll take it. Win out or 4-1 at worst, grab two decent quality wins in the conf tourney and see what happens.

Agree we are way ahead of where we were last year and it is a fantastic sign for next year.
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
If you don't think the NET is having it's desired effect, look at Lunardi's latest Bracketology.

Non-P5 (and Big East) conferences with multiple bids

American (4)
Mountain West (2)

That's it.

FOUR at-large bids.
If they would just release the NET formula, that would help a bunch.

If schools knew what they were being measured against, then they could react accordingly.

I think people might be amazed at the changes in approach some schools would take if the formula was released.
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To see how who is treated? Those conferences? Or those specific teams? Nevada and Buffalo are LOCKS, with Nevada a legit Final Four contender and Buffalo a legit Sweet 16 team. VCU seems like a virtual lock. Wofford would be interesting, particularly if they lost to Furman in their tourney. BUT the SoCon is getting a lot of quality pub from the pundits on the overall strength of their conference this year.
The only reason to not consider Wofford also a lock is their tricky last couple games. Both on the road, both teams that would be bad losses.

If they win out regular season, I don't think it will matter what happens in the Socon tourney.
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Last 6 out from Lunardi as of yesterday...there are better places to be, but there are way, wayyyy worse places to be. While we could have viably have pulled out wins vs Miss St, Tulsa, Mason and VCU x2 to improve our position, we are pretty much where I thought our best case scenario would be at the beginning of the year. Some of that is due to a weak bubble, but whatever I'll take it. Win out or 4-1 at worst, grab two decent quality wins in the conf tourney and see what happens.

Agree we are way ahead of where we were last year and it is a fantastic sign for next year.
Yes, we are way ahead of where we were last year. AG deserves a lot of credit putting together this team in only his second year. As a reminder, in AM’s second year we just barely made the A10 tourney.
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Very fluid bubble in the next 20 days.

Teams/game to watch over that period:

Temple plays UCF - one will pick up another quality win. Root for whoever loses to pick up another loss along the way. UCF has a BRUTAL schedule to finish, with road games against Temple, USF and Houston. Plus at home to Cincy. They could finish 1-3 or 0-4.

Alabama plays @South Carolina, as well as LSU, Auburn and @Arkansas. South Carolina has garbage games after their Bama matchup, so root for ANY loss in their last 3.

San Fran has no quality win opps to finish reg season. root for any loss

Clemson could pick up big wins vs UNC or Cuse. A loss to ND or Pitt would help for sure

Utah st with big opps against SDSU and Nevada. A loss @Colorado St would be deadly for them

Azizona State finishes with 3 on the road (OUCH) against Oregon, Orgeon St., and Zona. A 2-1 finish with a win at OSU might bolter their status. Root for 1-2 or worse finish

If Belmont loses another game before the conference final, they're probably toast

Hope St. Mary's doesn't upset Zags in their home finale

Minnesota could be looking at a 1-2 finish with games against @Northwestern, vs Purdue and @Maryland

Seton Hall plays @GTown and has home games with Nova and Marquette. If they win either Nova or Marquette, they're going to be safe. Root for 0-3 finish there.
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VCU goes to the first four to me if they are not successful in at least Making the finals of the A10 tournament championship. I would like to see them make that game outside of it being at our expense of course. VCU being a 10 seed is encouraging especially since Lunardi already has the last four in as 12s.
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VCU goes to the first four to me if they are not successful in at least Making the finals of the A10 tournament championship. I would like to see them make that game outside of it being at our expense of course. VCU being a 10 seed is encouraging especially since Lunardi already has the last four in as 12s.
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VCU is pretty solidly in the field at this point imo. I don't think they have as much to worry about as most people seem to think but I guess you never know.
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VCU goes to the first four to me if they are not successful in at least Making the finals of the A10 tournament championship. I would like to see them make that game outside of it being at our expense of course. VCU being a 10 seed is encouraging especially since Lunardi already has the last four in as 12s.
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VCU would be 25-6 if they win out and would 100% be in (and probably don't even need that) and that's if they lose in the A10 tourney 2nd round..They have a net rating of 35 which is solidly in. They would need a 2-2 record to close out and an A10 2nd round loss to not get in..

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I am hoping VCU, Buffalo, Wofford and Nevada lose in their conference tourneys. I will be very curious to see how they are treated.
If one has any hope for an at large bid for UD this is the worst thing that could happen (assuming we win out etc) as bid stealers likely are the biggest obstacle to not getting an at large if we take care of business.
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If one has any hope for an at large bid for UD this is the worst thing that could happen (assuming we win out etc) as bid stealers likely are the biggest obstacle to not getting an at large if we take care of business.
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Biggest obstacle?? No. The biggest obstacle IS and WILL BE something we cannot change, lack of Q1 and Q2 wins. Bid stealers will simply enhance those lack of quality wins.
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If one has any hope for an at large bid for UD this is the worst thing that could happen (assuming we win out etc) as bid stealers likely are the biggest obstacle to not getting an at large if we take care of business.
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Sorry but I don't think there are any combination of Flyer wins, other's losses and lack of bid stealers that gets the Flyers an at large bid. The opportunities were there but the wins were not. Just have to win it all in Brooklyn.
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^ agreed... but win the next 4 and it will be fun to dream. Take down Umass for starters.
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Sorry but I don't think there are any combination of Flyer wins, other's losses and lack of bid stealers that gets the Flyers an at large bid. The opportunities were there but the wins were not. Just have to win it all in Brooklyn.

25-10 looks good, but the top wins aren't pretty enough. But it's close.
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IIRC, ESPN showed a bubble that had UD as the 3rd team in the "last 4 out" category late last night. Honestly, it doesn't feel like this team is nearly that close resume wise, but what the heck, it wasn't that long ago that UD felt way ahead resume wise yet ended up playing in the first 4; so perhaps UD is due some good karma from the NCAA.
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25-10 looks good, but the top wins aren't pretty enough. But it's close.
We would be a lock for the horseshoe or hand grenade tournament.
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25-10 looks good, but the top wins aren't pretty enough. But it's close.
I think our "top wins" are on par with other teams around the bubble cut line. We have a couple of Quad 1 wins. It's that we have ZERO Quad 2 wins, and just a couple of Quad 2 losses. It's almost inconceivable to me, how few Quad 2 games we've played. That's directly attributable to how "down" the A10 is this year. Most years, you could expect 5-10 Quad 2 games within the A10.

While the Quad system is still pretty new, I can tell you that historically Quad 2 wins won't really get you in the tournament. But when you have similarly bubblicious resumes on the Quad 1 front, they shift to Quad 2 for differentiation, as well as things like road/neutral performance, SOS, usually with some focus on your non-con SOS.
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25-10 looks good, but the top wins aren't pretty enough. But it's close.
Got to be 24-10 or 25-9, 34 games total.
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I watch every Ohio State game and they are horrible. Take them outside of the BIG and nobody would give them a 2nd thought. And they're currently a 9-seed. If we played them tomorrow at UD, we win by 9+. At the Schott, I still think we'd win. The place is a morgue and we'd pack the place.
tOSU just kicked the crap out of a ranked Iowa team. My son went and pre-game was making fun of the '10s of fans' at the game and couldn't believe tOSU was favored. Then the game started and with freshman Justin Ahrens now starting, the team played with energy, the crowd responded and they steamrolled the Hawkeyes who had a late-game implosion that can only be described as 'legendary'.

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Why does this matter?? Because tOSU needed a BIG win (pun intended) against a ranked team (#22 Iowa) and got it. Add a newly ranked UC (#22/23) to their resume and I'd say they are 1 regular season win away (at NWern) from locking up an NCAAT bid.
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tOSU just kicked the crap out of a ranked Iowa team. My son went and pre-game was making fun of the '10s of fans' at the game and couldn't believe tOSU was favored. Then the game started and with freshman Justin Ahrens now starting, the team played with energy, the crowd responded and they steamrolled the Hawkeyes who had a late-game implosion that can only be described as 'legendary'.

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"After the game, according to the Toledo Blade and Columbus Dispatch, Fran McCaffery screamed, "You cheating m-----f-----! You're a f---ing disgrace!" at official Steve McJunkins as he pursued him down a hallway in Value City Arena."

Why does this matter?? Because tOSU needed a BIG win (pun intended) against a ranked team (#22 Iowa) and got it. Add a newly ranked UC (#22/23) to their resume and I'd say they are 1 regular season win away (at NWern) from locking up an NCAAT bid.
tOSU's win wasn't that big of a deal as it relates to believers of UD's at-large chances. tOSU was a solid 12-14 spots ahead of us on Lunardi's cut line, not that Lunardi is gospel, so that's almost insurmountable if you factor in our lack of additional quality win opps, short of tOSU just losing ALL of their remaining games.
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I simply do not understand the path for Dayton to get an at-large bid.

2-8 Quad 1/2 wins. Final 3 regular season games and quarterfinals in tourney are all downside, no upside in these games. If Dayton would be Davidson in the semis and lose to VCU in the finals, Dayton would be 3-9 in Quad 1/2 wins with wins being Butler neutral (bubble team), Davidson away, and Davidson natural. Just don't see these three wins getting Dayton in. Other teams on the bubble have chances for good wins the next couple of weeks, Dayton simply does not.

Only chance Dayton gets in is if Rhody and St. Bonnies basically win out and those wins become Quad 2 wins; Dayton destroys everyone left on the schedule bumping their efficiency up. This happens and Dayton ends up with a NET rating in the 40s and 5-9 in Quad 1/2 games and has a very small shot. But need to win the next 5 and lose in the finals, blow everyone out, Rhody/St. Bonnies need to do well, and everyone on the bubble needs to collapse. Only way Dayton gets in which is really not a legitimate path the an at-large bid.
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Honestly, we are worrying way too much about where we sit. We have been here in the past and thought we had a much better chance than we did only to be disappointed on Selection Sunday. We have a tendency to either over or under rate who we really are. We never know what the committee will use as their criteria until after the field is announced and then they make up something to cover their hind end. I say, just enjoy the next couple of weeks and see where things fall. It would be great to be in the field of 68 but making the tournament will not diminish what this team has done over the course of the year.
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Honestly, we are worrying way too much about where we sit. We have been here in the past and thought we had a much better chance than we did only to be disappointed on Selection Sunday. We have a tendency to either over or under rate who we really are. We never know what the committee will use as their criteria until after the field is announced and then they make up something to cover their hind end. I say, just enjoy the next couple of weeks and see where things fall. It would be great to be in the field of 68 but making the tournament will not diminish what this team has done over the course of the year.
The only sure ticket is as A10 tournament champions.
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Wednesday and Thursday of championship week will tell us what is our realistic chance at an at large bid. Let’s assume if you are in the ACC quarterfinals, you are dancing. If Wisconsin is in the quarterfinals of the big 10 after winning on Thursday, I believe they are in. The SEC quarters will be very interesting as well. As I’ve said before, win the whole **** thing, and we have nothing to worry about! If we lose in the semis, we have nothing to worry about, because we aren’t dancing. My expectations at the beginning of the season were that we were at least in the conversation for an NCAA bid. We did that.
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This beats what we were talking about last year at this time but not what I hope we are talking about next year at this time.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
I simply do not understand the path for Dayton to get an at-large bid.

2-8 Quad 1/2 wins. Final 3 regular season games and quarterfinals in tourney are all downside, no upside in these games. If Dayton would be Davidson in the semis and lose to VCU in the finals, Dayton would be 3-9 in Quad 1/2 wins with wins being Butler neutral (bubble team), Davidson away, and Davidson natural. Just don't see these three wins getting Dayton in. Other teams on the bubble have chances for good wins the next couple of weeks, Dayton simply does not.

Only chance Dayton gets in is if Rhody and St. Bonnies basically win out and those wins become Quad 2 wins; Dayton destroys everyone left on the schedule bumping their efficiency up. This happens and Dayton ends up with a NET rating in the 40s and 5-9 in Quad 1/2 games and has a very small shot. But need to win the next 5 and lose in the finals, blow everyone out, Rhody/St. Bonnies need to do well, and everyone on the bubble needs to collapse. Only way Dayton gets in which is really not a legitimate path the an at-large bid.
There is another way we get in: http://udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30358&page=3
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Wednesday and Thursday of championship week will tell us what is our realistic chance at an at large bid. Let’s assume if you are in the ACC quarterfinals, you are dancing. If Wisconsin is in the quarterfinals of the big 10 after winning on Thursday, I believe they are in. The SEC quarters will be very interesting as well. As I’ve said before, win the whole **** thing, and we have nothing to worry about! If we lose in the semis, we have nothing to worry about, because we aren’t dancing. My expectations at the beginning of the season were that we were at least in the conversation for an NCAA bid. We did that.
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I may be in the minority, but I politely disagree. We were in so many games that would have given us a Q1 win. One that we desperately need now. And we did not close.

But by playing those teams very competitively (just not winning), you could see this team could compete. VCU was picked sixth or seventh. URI graduated key players. This conference is/was open for the taking.

Look, I love the feel good posts here too. But, in my opinion, this season is a let down if we do not get in the tourney because it was right there for us.
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I may be in the minority, but I politely disagree. We were in so many games that would have given us a Q1 win. One that we desperately need now. And we did not close.

But by playing those teams very competitively (just not winning), you could see this team could compete. VCU was picked sixth or seventh. URI graduated key players. This conference is/was open for the taking.

Look, I love the feel good posts here too. But, in my opinion, this season is a let down if we do not get in the tourney because it was right there for us.
Seriously?? A let down? I'm not big on moral victories, very much a results oriented person. But I'm failing to see where this season could be considered a let down in any way, shape or form. Because URI lost a bunch to graduation? Or VCU's preseason projection has been exceeded? Yes, this league has been there for the taking and the wins necessary for at-large consideration were also within our grasp. But lest we remember that every night, there's another team on the floor who wants to win just as badly as we do. Who's making plays as well. Who's well coached and executing a game plan to take us out of our comfort zone(s).

SLU's season has been a let down - picked to win the conference and going to finish ~7th.

Sorry, but just because we did enough to get "that close" and didn't quite "take it" should not be considered a "let down". I'm not buying. Not that term/description under this team's makeup and performance.
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The season is not a letdown for me. We competed in those quad 1 games but didn't close because we ran out of gas. Jhery Matos was injured Nov 23 in the Bahamas. His minutes would have allowed starters to get rest, be able to defend harder, shoot better with fresher legs at the end of those games. He was a contributor too, not just a minutes eater. Heck I think we beat VCU at home with Trey.
This team has improved over the course of this season and watching their growth has been very enjoyable to me. Of course I hope they can win the A10 and get the auto bid as that is their goal and I would love to see them rewarded.
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I may be in the minority, but I politely disagree. We were in so many games that would have given us a Q1 win. One that we desperately need now. And we did not close.

But by playing those teams very competitively (just not winning), you could see this team could compete. VCU was picked sixth or seventh. URI graduated key players. This conference is/was open for the taking.

Look, I love the feel good posts here too. But, in my opinion, this season is a let down if we do not get in the tourney because it was right there for us.
If you think this season was a letdown, go root for another team. We were 14-17 last year, brought in 7 new players, are still one of the youngest teams in the conference, and are on the verge of a 20 win season. We have 3 winnable games left and could end the regular season with a nice 6 game winning streak. That is not even mentioning losing our best defender and bench contributor in Matos and having to burn the redshirt on Frankie. If you cannot see the positives from this season, I do not know what you are watching.
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If you think this season was a letdown, go root for another team. We were 14-17 last year, brought in 7 new players, are still one of the youngest teams in the conference, and are on the verge of a 20 win season. We have 3 winnable games left and could end the regular season with a nice 6 game winning streak. That is not even mentioning losing our best defender and bench contributor in Matos and having to burn the redshirt on Frankie. If you cannot see the positives from this season, I do not know what you are watching.
I don't want to get into semantics here, and I carefully worded my post to reflect nothing negative. I was clear that we DID compete. I never said we were on the wrong track, or implied that there is not a bright future. And of course I am a fan, I want very much to see the success of this program.

Making the NCAA tourney is my measure stick here. In my opinion, based on how we played against good competition and came close, this team is good enough to get there, especially in a down year for the A10. And we are close to getting in now. But down deep, if we miss the NCAA we will be missing a great opportunity. Not that we have a team to necessarily go to the Elite Eight again, but making the tourney would such great experience for such a young team.

This was not intended to be a negative post, just my opinion. And it would be a letdown for me.

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I don't want to get into semantics here, and I carefully worded my post to reflect nothing negative. I was clear that we DID compete. I never said we were on the wrong track, or implied that there is not a bright future. And of course I am a fan, I want very much to see the success of this program.

Making the NCAA tourney is my measure stick here. In my opinion, based on how we played against good competition and came close, this team is good enough to get there, especially in a down year for the A10. And we are close to getting in now. But down deep, if we miss the NCAA we will be missing a great opportunity. Not that we have a team to necessarily go to the Elite Eight again, but making the tourney would such great experience for such a young team.

This was not intended to be a negative post, just my opinion. And it would be a letdown for me.

Does that clear it up?

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If some of those games were replayed today, the results may have been significantly different. But we are where we are. What we can control is what we do over the next 3 regular season games, and at least 1 tourny game. Unless we run the table, our fate will always rest at the hands of a committee that does not have mid major schools best interests at heart.
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One thing that people might be overlooking here is that Dayton really has no bad losses. I’m not a big numbers guy and I admittedly don’t totally grasp the “quad” stuff (not to mention the headache-inducing KenPom stuff), but from a common sense perspective Dayton’s worst losses are what, George Mason and @ SLU? Not exactly terrible losses.

I’m not saying this gets us into the Dance, but I think it’s at least an interesting tidbit.
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Got to be 24-10 or 25-9, 34 games total.
We're 19-9. Win out the regular season we're 22-9. First round bye in the A10 tournament. Win second, quarter, semis and we're 25-9. Lose in the finals, 25-10. Did I count the A10 tournament wrong?

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I don't want to get into semantics here, and I carefully worded my post to reflect nothing negative. I was clear that we DID compete. I never said we were on the wrong track, or implied that there is not a bright future. And of course I am a fan, I want very much to see the success of this program.

Making the NCAA tourney is my measure stick here. In my opinion, based on how we played against good competition and came close, this team is good enough to get there, especially in a down year for the A10. And we are close to getting in now. But down deep, if we miss the NCAA we will be missing a great opportunity. Not that we have a team to necessarily go to the Elite Eight again, but making the tourney would such great experience for such a young team.

This was not intended to be a negative post, just my opinion. And it would be a letdown for me.

Does that clear it up?

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I understand what you're saying, that it's disappointing to look back and say "we were this close." But you're contradicting yourself, and your position is irrational.

First you're saying "the A10 was there for the taking" but then you're talking about how close we were to beating teams in the non-con. So are you disappointed in the A10 performance or the non-con performance? Make up your mind. We DID play well enough in the A10, so far. We're in second place going into our final 3 games.

Next you're saying you're disappointed because we didn't play well enough outside the A10 before the team had gelled. This basically says you would be less disappointed (happier) if we had gotten blown out in the non-con games. At least then we're not "close". That's not a rational position to take, IMO, unless we're playing for draft picks where you want to be first or last.

What I'm saying is your disappointment is misplaced and not rational. You should be excited for how well we performed with what we have, and happy that we have been able to come as close as we have.
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We're 19-9. Win out the regular season we're 22-9. First round bye in the A10 tournament. Win second, quarter, semis and we're 25-9. Lose in the finals, 25-10. Did I count the A10 tournament wrong?



I understand what you're saying, that it's disappointing to look back and say "we were this close." But you're contradicting yourself, and your position is irrational.

First you're saying "the A10 was there for the taking" but then you're talking about how close we were to beating teams in the non-con. So are you disappointed in the A10 performance or the non-con performance? Make up your mind. We DID play well enough in the A10, so far. We're in second place going into our final 3 games.

Next you're saying you're disappointed because we didn't play well enough outside the A10 before the team had gelled. This basically says you would be less disappointed (happier) if we had gotten blown out in the non-con games. At least then we're not "close". That's not a rational position to take, IMO, unless we're playing for draft picks where you want to be first or last.

What I'm saying is your disappointment is misplaced and not rational. You should be excited for how well we performed with what we have, and happy that we have been able to come as close as we have.
Are you expecting us to not be top 4 in A10? We’d only lay 3 game max if top 4 in conf tourney
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
We're 19-9. Win out the regular season we're 22-9. First round bye in the A10 tournament. Win second, quarter, semis and we're 25-9. Lose in the finals, 25-10. Did I count the A10 tournament wrong?



I understand what you're saying, that it's disappointing to look back and say "we were this close." But you're contradicting yourself, and your position is irrational.

First you're saying "the A10 was there for the taking" but then you're talking about how close we were to beating teams in the non-con. So are you disappointed in the A10 performance or the non-con performance? Make up your mind. We DID play well enough in the A10, so far. We're in second place going into our final 3 games.

Next you're saying you're disappointed because we didn't play well enough outside the A10 before the team had gelled. This basically says you would be less disappointed (happier) if we had gotten blown out in the non-con games. At least then we're not "close". That's not a rational position to take, IMO, unless we're playing for draft picks where you want to be first or last.

What I'm saying is your disappointment is misplaced and not rational. You should be excited for how well we performed with what we have, and happy that we have been able to come as close as we have.
Top 4 teams get a double bye in A10 tourney.
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One thing that people might be overlooking here is that Dayton really has no bad losses. I’m not a big numbers guy and I admittedly don’t totally grasp the “quad” stuff (not to mention the headache-inducing KenPom stuff), but from a common sense perspective Dayton’s worst losses are what, George Mason and @ SLU? Not exactly terrible losses.

I’m not saying this gets us into the Dance, but I think it’s at least an interesting tidbit.
They're only not going to be terrible losses if both keep winning. If they don't then they are bad and it really weakens the A10 as both teams were in the top 3-4 pre-season projections to win the A10..Hell, I saw a few analyst online projections a couple weeks ago that had already considered the loss to GM as a bad loss..
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
We're 19-9. Win out the regular season we're 22-9. First round bye in the A10 tournament. Win second, quarter, semis and we're 25-9. Lose in the finals, 25-10. Did I count the A10 tournament wrong?



I understand what you're saying, that it's disappointing to look back and say "we were this close." But you're contradicting yourself, and your position is irrational.

First you're saying "the A10 was there for the taking" but then you're talking about how close we were to beating teams in the non-con. So are you disappointed in the A10 performance or the non-con performance? Make up your mind. We DID play well enough in the A10, so far. We're in second place going into our final 3 games.

Next you're saying you're disappointed because we didn't play well enough outside the A10 before the team had gelled. This basically says you would be less disappointed (happier) if we had gotten blown out in the non-con games. At least then we're not "close". That's not a rational position to take, IMO, unless we're playing for draft picks where you want to be first or last.

What I'm saying is your disappointment is misplaced and not rational. You should be excited for how well we performed with what we have, and happy that we have been able to come as close as we have.
Yes you counted wrong, With a double bye we only play 3 games in the A-10 tourney, not four
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They're only not going to be terrible losses if both keep winning. If they don't then they are bad and it really weakens the A10 as both teams were in the top 3-4 pre-season projections to win the A10..Hell, I saw a few analyst online projections a couple weeks ago that had already considered the loss to GM as a bad loss..
With George Mason at NET #151, it's a bad loss on paper. And that's not going to change. But as a whole, bad losses (just one) are not hurting our resume.
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We are WAY overthinking this. Here are the options:

1. Win the A10 - This is TOTALLY doable. and we should all have the mindset that this IS going to happen. We are coming into our own as a team and smell blood in the water. There is only 1 team that should give us any concern - VCU. Result - NCAA Bid.

2. Win out but lose in the Championship game to whoever - We will have a 24-10 record and have gone 10-2 in our last 12 games. Result - NCAA Bid.

3. Anything else - Result - NIT Bid.

Just win the f'in A10 Tournament ! ! ! !
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We are WAY overthinking this. Here are the options:

1. Win the A10 - This is TOTALLY doable. and we should all have the mindset that this IS going to happen. We are coming into our own as a team and smell blood in the water. There is only 1 team that should give us any concern - VCU. Result - NCAA Bid.

2. Win out but lose in the Championship game to whoever - We will have a 24-10 record and have gone 10-2 in our last 12 games. Result - NCAA Bid.

3. Anything else - Result - NIT Bid.

Just win the f'in A10 Tournament ! ! ! !

Can't agree with #2. First of all, if we lose to anybody other than VCU in the A-10 Finals, we are out. No way they will take three teams from the A-10 (assuming VCU gets an at-large). Even winning out and losing to VCU in the finals would give us two chances - slim and none. We need to win the tourney.
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For those of you tracking such details, sometimes on a daily basis, I figured I would share.

This will remain VERY fluid for the next couple weeks, but as of games thru 2/27:

Davidson is now at NET #76, moving just one spot OUTSIDE the cutline for a Quad 1 win. Butler has moved to NET #54, 4 spots OUTSIDE the cutline for a Quad 1 win.
St. Bonaventure is now at NET #134, just one spot INSIDE the cutline for a Quad 2 win.
Tulsa at NET #93 continues to float near, but inside, the Quad 2/Quad 3 loss line.
Dayton themselves has moved to NET #67.

In summary, we don't have any Quad 1 wins to date. But we now have (3) Quad 2 wins.

***Some other "eye-popping" notes***

Texas, at 15-13 is at NET #36, moving up after losing last night at Baylor in a close one
Nebraska, also at 15-13, remains in the Top 50 at NET #45
Penn St., at 12-16 is at NET #50
Texas A&M is at NET #68 at 12-15

Oh the value of close losses and blowout wins?!?!?!

So, anyone who beat Penn State either on the road or at a neutral site is getting credit for a Quad 1 win. A neutral win over TA&M is also a Quad 1 win. Anyone winning AT Oklahoma State or on a neutral court is getting a Quad 2 Win. Same for Illinois. They're both (10-18).

Other teams with losing records in the NET 100:

Northwestern - 85
Miami (FL) - 88
Okla St - 89 (AT 10-18)
Illinois - 91 (AT 10-18)
Mizzou - 95
UConn - 97
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
For those of you tracking such details, sometimes on a daily basis, I figured I would share.

This will remain VERY fluid for the next couple weeks, but as of games thru 2/27:

Davidson is now at NET #76, moving just one spot OUTSIDE the cutline for a Quad 1 win. Butler has moved to NET #54, 4 spots OUTSIDE the cutline for a Quad 1 win.
St. Bonaventure is now at NET #134, just one spot INSIDE the cutline for a Quad 2 win.
Tulsa at NET #93 continues to float near, but inside, the Quad 2/Quad 3 loss line.
Dayton themselves has moved to NET #67.

In summary, we don't have any Quad 1 wins to date. But we now have (3) Quad 2 wins.

***Some other "eye-popping" notes***

Texas, at 15-13 is at NET #36, moving up after losing last night at Baylor in a close one
Nebraska, also at 15-13, remains in the Top 50 at NET #45
Penn St., at 12-16 is at NET #50
Texas A&M is at NET #68 at 12-15

Oh the value of close losses and blowout wins?!?!?!

So, anyone who beat Penn State either on the road or at a neutral site is getting credit for a Quad 1 win. A neutral win over TA&M is also a Quad 1 win. Anyone winning AT Oklahoma State or on a neutral court is getting a Quad 2 Win. Same for Illinois. They're both (10-18).

Other teams with losing records in the NET 100:

Northwestern - 85
Miami (FL) - 88
Okla St - 89 (AT 10-18)
Illinois - 91 (AT 10-18)
Mizzou - 95
UConn - 97
That’s some forked-up Shiite!
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***Some other "eye-popping" notes***

Texas, at 15-13 is at NET #36, moving up after losing last night at Baylor in a close one
Nebraska, also at 15-13, remains in the Top 50 at NET #45
Penn St., at 12-16 is at NET #50
Texas A&M is at NET #68 at 12-15

Oh the value of close losses and blowout wins?!?!?!

So, anyone who beat Penn State either on the road or at a neutral site is getting credit for a Quad 1 win. A neutral win over TA&M is also a Quad 1 win. Anyone winning AT Oklahoma State or on a neutral court is getting a Quad 2 Win. Same for Illinois. They're both (10-18).

Other teams with losing records in the NET 100:

Northwestern - 85
Miami (FL) - 88
Okla St - 89 (AT 10-18)
Illinois - 91 (AT 10-18)
Mizzou - 95
UConn - 97
This is why I hold out hope that the committee will not select by the pure NET method. Illinois and Penn State (and others above) are the NCAA’s version of circular reasoning.

Hopefully they will see the flaws in crediting a team with a Quad1 win against a 10-18 team even if they played with 4 players.

Even if they do adjust, probably won’t help UD even if they do. We are stuck in our own whirlpool. The only way to get enough quality wins is to drop to #4 but to do that we likely fall backwards farther than a VCU win would gain us.

Win 3 in a row at the right time is what it’s gonna take.
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Don’t look now but _avier is moving up...Villanova last weekend and tonite a win at 20-9 St Johns. FWIW, Chris Mullin is a major league A-hole.
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_avier defeated St. John's in an away game 84-73 tonight. _avier has won 5 in a row with an away game at Butler and a home game with St. John's remaining.


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I feel the same regarding Butler. We beat them in a neutral court tourney. And they really are not that impressive to me at all, based on other games of theirs that I have watched...

Here is Butler:
http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSButler.htm

Here we are:
http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSDayton.htm

See the difference?

Quad 1: Butler 2-7, UD 2-5.
Quad 2: Butler 5-5, UD 0-3.

Combined Q1 and Q2:
Butler: 7-12, UD 2-8

Must be nice to have all those Q2 games to split and to be "on the bubble" worst case...
We may have been better off losing to Butler and beating Florida. Bugs me also.
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So much for Xavier's complete downfall.
Yep. That’ll teach me to embrace schadenfreude. But it also will make for some interesting drama come Selection Sunday with regard to the BE.

I mean, ‘Nova and Marquette are locks, but now St. John’s is tied with Norwood Plumbing and Mortuary Tech for 3rd place, and they just lost a home game to the Gangstas. 7 of the 10 teams in the league already have double-digit losses, and St. John’s has 9. The BE could have as few as 2 teams dancing, or as many as 5 (with 2 of them in the First Four). Like I said: Selection Sunday could be very interesting.
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Don’t look now but _avier is moving up...Villanova last weekend and tonite a win at 20-9 St Johns. FWIW, Chris Mullin is a major league A-hole.
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I thought that everybody on here said that Steele sucks, and that Xavier was totally stupid for hiring an in-house assistant with no head coaching experience?

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Don’t look now but _avier is moving up...Villanova last weekend and tonite a win at 20-9 St Johns. FWIW, Chris Mullin is a major league A-hole.
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Mullin walks the sideline like the spoiled ex-NBA player that he was, thinking his name/status allows him some slack...till he realizes it doesn't. And as in most cases, your players take on the personality of the coach. Last night it was players AND fans.

And if you watch his huddles he does zero X's/O's coaching...stands by while his assistants fill up the white board then says "go get 'em boys!"
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Saw this morning on ESPN that Lunardi had us listed as #3 in the First Four Out. Regardless of how the season ends, I like the late season recognition on a National Sports Program. Go Flyers!
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I thought that everybody on here said that Steele sucks, and that Xavier was totally stupid for hiring an in-house assistant with no head coaching experience?
Here you go again. The old "Hiring an assistant coach is the way to go!", but when pressed for answers as to which assistant you wanted UD to hire...you get very quiet.

You hire the right guy. Sometimes that guys is already on the staff, and sometimes he's not.

Let's not forget X was a 1 seed last year. I would hate to see the things you'd say about AG if we went from a 1 seed to barely hanging on to .500 in conference in his first year.
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Mullin walks the sideline like the spoiled ex-NBA player that he was, thinking his name/status allows him some slack...till he realizes it doesn't. And as in most cases, your players take on the personality of the coach. Last night it was players AND fans.

And if you watch his huddles he does zero X's/O's coaching...stands by while his assistants fill up the white board then says "go get 'em boys!"
As I watched that game I had a feeling that game could have easily erupted into something very ugly the way Mullin and his players were acting on every call.
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I thought that everybody on here said that Steele sucks, and that Xavier was totally stupid for hiring an in-house assistant with no head coaching experience?
What does his post have to do with saying Steele is a good coach? He's merely stating fact that X is moving up. You going to argue that now?

Big thing I notice with you is you only read what you want to and only read into it what you want to get out of it. It's like me saying it's suppose to be close to zero degrees next week in Dayton and you coming back saying how I told everyone it's never cold in March.

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This thread is very telling.

March is like Mars
All eggsavier coaches suck
Lunardi might be almost smarter than we thought
And Bedell is somewhere totally under a rock rooting for VCU to win A10 tournament.
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I thought that everybody on here said that Steele sucks, and that Xavier was totally stupid for hiring an in-house assistant with no head coaching experience?

Amusing that ud2's first post in awhile is not praising the UD coach for getting the team playing really well, but is a backdoor compliment of the Xavier coach and another subtle swipe at UD's hire.
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Eckzavier has a MONSTER recruiting class coming in next year. Rumors of their downfall have been greatly exaggerated. They'll be back.
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And you hire the best coach. Not an assistant for continuity, especially when the program was a house of cards that could come crashing down any day. None of AM's assistants pass the eye test anyway.

You also don't hire an assistant to keep recruits. Ask URI how that's working out for them.
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It's interesting that according to Lunardi we are one of the first 4 out - but in ESPN's bubble watch article we are nowhere to be found.

CBS has 20+ teams listed as "on the bubble" and no mention of us.

Just keep winning and let the rest take care of itself.
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This morning on ESPNU Radio on Sirius/XM Chris Childers and Tom Brennan started their show by saying they are pulling for the small conference teams to get at large bids. They continued to say they have no sympathy for the bigger schools who have many opportunities to get themselves off the bubble and squarely in the tourney They then went on to list a group of schools that included Georgetown, Clemson, NC State, Texas, Oklahoma, Dayton, Minnesota and Alabama and said their fans shouldn't whine because they had they their chances.

I don't feel like there are any Dayton fans who feel we deserve to be in at this point but I thought it was interesting that they lumped us in with the so-called "big" schools.
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Part of me thinks that Lunardi is just having some fun with us, as he knows all to well we're an overzealous and passionate fan base. He loses little cred by continuing to put us/keep us in his First Four Out or Next Four Out. Let's give him reason the next two weeks to "take that plunge".
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Originally Posted by N2663R View Post
We are WAY overthinking this. Here are the options:

1. Win the A10 - This is TOTALLY doable. and we should all have the mindset that this IS going to happen. We are coming into our own as a team and smell blood in the water. There is only 1 team that should give us any concern - VCU. Result - NCAA Bid.

2. Win out but lose in the Championship game to whoever - We will have a 24-10 record and have gone 10-2 in our last 12 games. Result - NCAA Bid.

3. Anything else - Result - NIT Bid.

Just win the f'in A10 Tournament ! ! ! !
That's mostly good. Except if an outlier wins the A10 tourney
If Bonnie's or dukes or GM wins tournament, there wont be a bid left for us at 25 and 10
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I see little possibility without winning our tournament. VCU would be our first profile win > LAUGHING (not mocking... just true)
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Based on Lunardi's Bracketology, the last four in are:

Arizona State http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSArizonaSt.htm
Seton Hall http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSSetonHall.htm
Clemson http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSClemson.htm
Utah State http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSUtahSt.htm

The first four out:
St Marys http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSSaintMarys.htm
Temple http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSTemple.htm
Dayton http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSDayton.htm
Butler http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSButler.htm

These teams have a lot to do with where we will finish in terms of NET:

Our St Bona win is close to moving to a Q3 win (need them to win out until possibly meeting us)
Our Butler win could move to a Q1 win (need them to finish strong - @villanova, vs. XU, @ Providence)
Our Davidson win could move to a Q1 win (need them to win out until possibly meeting us)
Our home loss to VCU is close to a Q1 loss (need them to win out until possibly meeting us)

After looking at the NET profiles of the teams that we would have to pass, we need help from Davidson, Butler, VCU, St Bona
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Interesting that I was just about to ask if anyone knew what our ranking was for in conference SOS and I see in the above link that we are #2 in conference. Do we know who is #1? VCU?
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Based on Lunardi's Bracketology, the last four in are:

Arizona State http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSArizonaSt.htm
Seton Hall http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSSetonHall.htm
Clemson http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSClemson.htm
Utah State http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSUtahSt.htm

The first four out:
St Marys http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSSaintMarys.htm
Temple http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSTemple.htm
Dayton http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSDayton.htm
Butler http://www.seed-madness.com/TeamStats/QTSButler.htm

These teams have a lot to do with where we will finish in terms of NET:

Our St Bona win is close to moving to a Q3 win (need them to win out until possibly meeting us)
Our Butler win could move to a Q1 win (need them to finish strong - @villanova, vs. XU, @ Providence)
Our Davidson win could move to a Q1 win (need them to win out until possibly meeting us)
Our home loss to VCU is close to a Q1 loss (need them to win out until possibly meeting us)

After looking at the NET profiles of the teams that we would have to pass, we need help from Davidson, Butler, VCU, St Bona
St. Bonny just moved to a Q2 win 2 days ago and it's actually in the BEST place/position it's been all season.
Our Davidson win currently sits as a Quad 1 win, as they moved UP to #75 today.
Butler could still sneak up to #50 or better, but that could also come at the expense of them passing us in the bubble pecking order.
I don't think the VCU losses as Quad 1 or Quad 2 really matter. I think we'll ultimately get judged on the combined wins and losses of Q1 and Q2, AS LONG as we have at least a Quad 1 win, preferably 2.
Don't overlook our road win against Rhody. They could still creep into the top 135 and pick us up another Q2 win.
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As I watched that game I had a feeling that game could have easily erupted into something very ugly the way Mullin and his players were acting on every call.
This story was published last week and re-printed in today's DDN. Fits in with some of the discussion on this thread and the current state of player/referee "relations." Over to you Rollo!

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article226533325.html
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This story was published last week and re-printed in today's DDN. Fits in with some of the discussion on this thread and the current state of player/referee "relations." Over to you Rollo!

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article226533325.html
Too bad this article didn't come out a week later, they could have included Mike McCarthy in it...
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Originally Posted by Radar View Post
This story was published last week and re-printed in today's DDN. Fits in with some of the discussion on this thread and the current state of player/referee "relations." Over to you Rollo!

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article226533325.html
Don't get me started. This time of year, after officiating hundreds of games, my nerves are shot, temper is short and patience for stupidity is non-existent. I pity the coaches I have to deal with this weekend. The royal fuse has never been shorter.

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This story was published last week and re-printed in today's DDN. Fits in with some of the discussion on this thread and the current state of player/referee "relations." Over to you Rollo!

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article226533325.html
Pereira is right on with his assessment, unfortunately he, nor I , nor others have a solution. There better be one soon, or as he says, it will be hard to have games.

I was glad he made a statement about the so-called "make up calls". I never made one and never talked to a ref who made one. Does not mean it never happens, but it is as rare as an ugly girl hanging with Rollo.
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So much for this thread.... Boooo.

Win the A10 tourney - probably needed to anyway.
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So much for this thread.... Boooo.

Win the A10 tourney - probably needed to anyway.
Yep. Need to go undefeated in Brooklyn
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Kinda need a win or two to get the double bye in Brooklyn.
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It makes sense now: Lunardi was promoting the Friday night prime time game on ESPN2 by moving Dayton up the past couple days to generate buzz. Flyers really blew that opportunity. No excuse for losing to a team that you just beat by 29 on the road a few weeks ago. Not deserving of an at-large.

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NIT:

Dayton 4
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Dayton 4
Davidson 3
And Indiana 5. Do you think the selection committee would actually set the field so that the Hoosiers would play their first round game at Dayton, to capitalize on the drama and/or irony of Archie bringing his new program in to play his old program?

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ESPN has their conference tourney predictions out:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ce-tournaments

Highlights:
- 3 of 4 analysts picked Davidson to win
- The other analyst picked Dayton

They also list the A10 as a "Highly Volatile" tournament. They cite the variety of teams to win in recent years as well as the lack of success the top 2 seeds have had recently.
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What do they know as 2 of them have SJU winning the BE and they'll have 2 losses to X and 3 of them have VA winning the ACC who Duke has beaten twice and will/should have a healthy Zion back. Seriously, though, I can't believe not one of them have VCU as a favorite...

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I'd do it but I am challenged when it comes to these things on UDPride.

Somebody put a up a poll to see who the posters here think will be the A10 tourney champ.
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And Indiana 5. Do you think the selection committee would actually set the field so that the Hoosiers would play their first round game at Dayton, to capitalize on the drama and/or irony of Archie bringing his new program in to play his old program?

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That site is doing more frequent updates now I guess.

NIT:

IU moves up to a 4. You know who gaining steam at a 3.

Dayton 4
Davidson 3

https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/

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ESPN has their conference tourney predictions out:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ce-tournaments

Highlights:
- 3 of 4 analysts picked Davidson to win
- The other analyst picked Dayton

They also list the A10 as a "Highly Volatile" tournament. They cite the variety of teams to win in recent years as well as the lack of success the top 2 seeds have had recently.
I can honestly say that Gasaway is the only "expert" of those four that I've heard of, and he sparingly. they must work the overnight at ESPN. Might as well put Figgie, Rollo, John R and UDScott's predictions on there!
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That site is doing daily updates now I guess.

NIT:

IU moves up to a 4. You know who gaining steam at a 3.

Dayton 4
Davidson 3

https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/

It cracks me up that they give Wright State the automatic bid to the NIT for winning the regular season championship and then give them a #8 seed. Shows what they think of the Horizon League.
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