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Old 03-07-2019, 11:44 PM
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Toppin Sportscenter mention

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Mike Schmitz (spelling) is apparently and ESPN draft expert. The final question asked on the 11:00 Sportscenter was "what player has impressed scouts and put their name on draft boards " that most haven't heard of.

The highlighted player was Obi Toppin. Nice short segment on him then including highlights.

Ok... commence overreaction on both sides...
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Great for Obi. Bad for the fans. Obviously, we all want Obi to go on and make millions in the NBA, but it would be great if we could have him for 1 more year.

The program is a cluster of what if's.

- What if Chris Daniels didn't tragically pass away?
- What if Chris Wright didn't get hurt freshmen year?
- What if Big Steve didn't tragically pass away and how good would we have been with him in the middle on our last NCAA tournament team?

and for next year when we are a top 25 team....
- What if Obi was on this team? How good would we be....top 10?
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:12 AM
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I saw that bit, a nice 20-30 sec bit on Obi with a bunch of highlights. It surprised me that the thru the legs dunk wasn't shown.


My take, if he's here next year, great for UD (I think he will be), if he's at UD in 2 years, something went wrong.


It sounds weird, but I think he has a chance to be one of the "faces" of college basketball next year. If he keeps improving and the team around him is as solid as we hope/think, he'd have a chance to explode in Mauii and get to the same level as some of Gonzaga's early stars...
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:23 AM
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I agree, Medford. I think Obi can use 1 more year of seasoning under AG, to show-off his ballhandling, passing, and shooting skills. If he leaves after this season, he’s probably a 2nd Round pick (at best) who needs to prove himself in the G-League for a season or 2. If he tears it up next season (as it looks like he can), then he stands a much better chance of being drafted in the 1st Round, which would mean a much richer rookie contract and a better chance of sticking on an NBA roster for most/all of his rookie season. The lifelong difference in $ could be in the millions.

But yeah, I don’t know if we’ll have him here as a Junior, especially if he improves as much next year as he has from-beginning-to-end this year.
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I wouldn’t blame Obi for testing the draft waters short of actually withdrawing from school. I think he could benefit from at least one more year as a Flyer and perhaps elevate himself to “lottery” status. And my hunch is he’ll come to the same conclusion and play another year for us (with a lucrative insurance policy in place). But if not, I think it’s because both he and AG are assured he’s a first-round pick and that financially it’s the right decision for Obi and his family.

But I’d bet anything Obi, in his heart, wants another year in Dayton. He’s become the toast of the town, and it’s obvious he loves this team and its crazy fan base.
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:29 AM
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I agree Obi is a talent and would love to see much more of him as a Flyer.

But I am not seeing this draft talk... I looked to see where he was being mentioned and could not find any draft board anywhere that had him on it. This site seems to be pretty thorough and no mention. (I am sure if there is some site somewhere, someone will post...)

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Old 03-08-2019, 10:31 AM
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I have to disagree. While Kostas had a couple impressive moments....not even games, moments, he was drafted. His last name helps, but Obi is 50x better than Kostas was. The degree of improvement and his ability to evalate and even shoot the ball, someone will take him mid-to-late first round.
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:39 AM
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I have to disagree. While Kostas had a couple impressive moments....not even games, moments, he was drafted. His last name helps, but Obi is 50x better than Kostas was. The degree of improvement and his ability to evalate and even shoot the ball, someone will take him mid-to-late first round.
Obi is an A10 stud and soon-to-be UD legend, but he's not on the Top100 of this ranking.

https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

With all due respect to UDPriders and Obi, there are plenty of college basketball teams that could use Obi off their bench. In a year or two he would start for 23 of the top 25 teams, but right now he's just not there.

WTS, I'm sure he'll get AG's blessing to hire an agent and get evaluated by the NBA this Spring - a move that will send this board into a death spiral - but he'll return for '19-'20, help take My Team to the NCAA, and start the process over this time next year...at which point we should simply wish him well.

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Old 03-08-2019, 10:57 AM
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If Obi is back next year, he is the star player on a top 25 team. I truly believe that. Next year we'll have size, depth, and more experience. If he goes now, I think he is jumping the gun a bit and could get lost in the shuffle.
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:04 AM
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I think what Rollo said is right on. He'll declare, go to camps and combines and workouts. He'll be told by people who know that he should wait a year so he'll come back for next year. AG knows the right people and won't steer him wrong.

If he climbs up draft boards and gets to where he's a first round pick but not lottery, he'll have a tough decision to make. Hopefully UD buys a big insurance policy on him and he comes back to try to improve his status. I'd love to see him for another year. I do hope academics aren't a factor like they were with Kostas. He did have to sit out last year but we haven't heard of it being an issue.
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:06 AM
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I think if you watch some of the top 25 teams. ( Including The ones we love to hate). There is A LOT of great talent out there competing for a few slots. Obi has enormous upside and potential - but going now would be a route into the G league until he gets the speed and consistency to compete. There is too much further developed talent available.

I guess he will get declare to allow himself to be evaluated by teams and learn what he needs to work on, and AG and staff will highlight the offense around him next year, and will be watched by scouts ALL season. Depending on how season goes, will then decide when he is clear to make a team and guaranteed money.

It seems like a simple and logical decision that any of us would do ourselves. However, it is fun to watch everyone lose their collective shyt that Obi is a draft pick now for "reasons".

I just hope if we get relegated to NIT that we pack the arena to continue to watch and enjoy the dunkaramafest for awhile longer before a long offseason.
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It's not about how any Pride members (no offense to anyone) evaluate Obi and whether he is ready or needs another year, it's all about how NBA scouts evaluate him and his UPSIDE. There are players taken every year in the draft that are not ready immediately for big minutes in the NBA but the upside is there and NBA teams are willing to take a chance on that.
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The history of the NBA Draft tells you that a lot of teams draft purely on upside and potential.
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:16 AM
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I'm pretty sure he won't make his decision based on the opinion of grumpy old men on UDPride.

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There's one scenario where I see Obi make the leap. UD somehow wins the A10 tourney and goes on a sweet sixteen cinderella run. If that happens and Obi becomes the media darling for the underdog team, and he gets the type of exposure Carmello got in that 2003 Syracuse run, I don't see him staying
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There's one scenario where I see Obi make the leap. UD somehow wins the A10 tourney and goes on a sweet sixteen cinderella run. If that happens and Obi becomes the media darling for the underdog team, and he gets the type of exposure Carmello got in that 2003 Syracuse run, I don't see him staying
I can see this. I still think if BRob played in the tourney his senior year, he makes it to the NBA a lot faster than he did. But I agree with most that he'll be back next year, and from that point it will depend on performance. He will have plenty of scouts watching next year, so lack of exposure won't be a problem. He's on the older end, so I wouldn't blame him for leaving after next season.
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There's one scenario where I see Obi make the leap. UD somehow wins the A10 tourney and goes on a sweet sixteen cinderella run. If that happens and Obi becomes the media darling for the underdog team, and he gets the type of exposure Carmello got in that 2003 Syracuse run, I don't see him staying
I'll take Sweet Sixteen in a couple of weeks.
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Would you trade Toppin for a Sweet Sixteen? I wouldn't.
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Would you trade Toppin for a Sweet Sixteen? I wouldn't.
Good question. The initial scenario/post suggested you couldn't have both - Sweet 16 this year and Toppin goes.

What are the prospects/guarantees for next year if he stays?

I'd probably take the Sweet 16 this year and wish Toppin well as 1st round draft pick.

Next year could have a higher upside if he stays, with more hype/projection, but we had those teams in 2016 and 2017 and they both lost in the first round.

Take the run when you get it, typically comes when it's least expected.
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Someone wouldn't take a Sweet Sixteen in trade for a player? Wow.

We've made it that far twice in 35 years. That's almost equivalent to only seeing it happen 4 times in a lifetime. There are no guarantees in the tournament or life; take it when you can get it ffs.
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If the NBA drops the 1-and-done policy, next season's NCAAT could be interesting. The Duke's and UK's of the world will lose their top freshman/sophs this season and won't have any Zion's to fill their spots, meaning they may struggle in 2019-20 with very-good-but-not-ready-for-NBA talent+ their returning upperclassmen.

It's my hope and expectation that Toppin returns and it's also my hope and expectation that the reshirts we currently have on the bench are as good as hyped, which to me is a perfect recipe for an A10 Championship (reg season and A10T), top 5-seed and deep run!

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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
If the NBA drops the 1-and-done policy, next season's NCAAT could be interesting. The Duke's and UK's of the world will lose their top freshman/sophs this season and won't have any Zion's to fill their spots, meaning they may struggle in 2019-20 with very-good-but-not-ready-for-NBA talent+ their returning upperclassmen.

It's my hope and expectation that Toppin returns and it's also my hope and expectation that the reshirts we currently have on the bench are as good as hyped, which to me is a perfect recipe for an A10 Championship (reg season and A10T), top 5-seed and deep run!

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Good point I hadn't taken into consideration. A lot will hinge on the NBA / Players Union announcement timing to do away with the 1-and-done. Depending on timing, many fringe draft prospects may get in under the gun before all the high school talent floods the draft. If that announcement happened over the summer saying HS players can enter 2020-21 draft, there may be a draw to entering sooner.
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There's one scenario where I see Obi make the leap. UD somehow wins the A10 tourney and goes on a sweet sixteen cinderella run. If that happens and Obi becomes the media darling for the underdog team, and he gets the type of exposure Carmello got in that 2003 Syracuse run, I don't see him staying
Imo,he may not even need that. He's already a known commodity. Finished product? Hell no and not even close but I would not be shocked one bit if he leaves after this season with him being the face of the program, either...Unlike the NFL with a combine, GM's can fall in love with private workouts on players and OPI will knock down 3's, dribble well for his size, show athleticism in other testing and jump out of the gym. That may be enough for some GM to take him in the top 35-40 spots....
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Here is Obi's most likely path to a first round draft pick: his pro workout.

Everyone can watch the tape and know he's got touch around the basket and OK ball handling for a guy his size. But what happens if they line him up and he makes 45 out of 50 3's? At 6'9" or 6'10"?

He's completely effortless shooting it from out there, so it's not like he's got to worry about losing his legs when he gets to #40. Is he that good of a shooter? Nah. But could he catch lightning in a bottle on a given day? Yes. And if he does, an NBA exec will consider him a can't-miss producer at the NBA level.
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I love watching Obi, he's the first guy in a while that makes me jump out of my seat during a game!

His game has evolved this year - right in front of our eyes, not sure I've seen anything like it before.

But... he has a long ways to go defensively, and that is at the college level.

Also, I catch him watching a lot of the action on the offense end when he is not directly involved with the play. Would like to see him crashing the offensive boards more often instead.

So he has a ways to go just at the college level, so I think he needs another year (but will be happy for him no matter what he decides).

UD is really lucky to have a personality like Obi on the team... he reminds me of Big Steve in how his personality affects those around him.

When it comes time for him to make his decision, I would tell him "Use the force, Obi" (trust in yourself; believe in yourself)!
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Would you trade Toppin for a Sweet Sixteen? I wouldn't.
What on earth? Why wouldn't you?
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I'd rather have the potential, excitement, goodwill, recruiting caché, and sportsmanship that Obi would bring than a guaranteed Sweet Sixteen this year, as fun as it would be. My sights are set higher than one Sweet Sixteen in one season.
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Obi could use another year of development to further learn how to play inside at the College level. We've seen him develop in front of us this year but sometimes his positioning rebounding is a little late or off. He looks similar to a guard boxing out. We can't blame him the kid was a guard 3 years ago. Obi is nowhere close to this but, Anthony Davis had a similar growth spurt towards the end of HS career then he blew up and became an All American at UK and #1 pick in 2012.

Obi has an unbelievable amount of talent. At the next level with some development, he could be a 3/4/5. The NBA is positionless you just have to be elite at something (passing, shooting, dribbling, rebounding, athlete, etc.)

Obi is well on his way.
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Just in case anyone is super nervous about losing Obi. We have another athlete in waiting...https://twitter.com/CampSanderson/st...587777/photo/1
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Imo,he may not even need that. He's already a known commodity. Finished product? Hell no and not even close but I would not be shocked one bit if he leaves after this season with him being the face of the program, either...Unlike the NFL with a combine, GM's can fall in love with private workouts on players and OPI will knock down 3's, dribble well for his size, show athleticism in other testing and jump out of the gym. That may be enough for some GM to take him in the top 35-40 spots....
He should only leave if he's a guaranteed first rounder, as that's when the 4 year guaranteed contract kicks in. No one would fault him for that. Leaving if he's a projected 2nd rounder would be foolish.

I still can't get over the guy who wouldn't want a sweet 16 run if it meant Obi gets drafted in the first round this year...
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IMHO, Obi needs another year of bulking up and developing his outside shot. With Jordy, Chase and Sissoko joining us as bigs, he should have the opportunity to shoot outside more. I don't believe he is a first round pick this year. If he shoots 40% from 3 ( with at least 50 attempts), he is a possible lottery pick.
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Obi is an A10 stud and soon-to-be UD legend, but he's not on the Top100 of this ranking.

https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard

With all due respect to UDPriders and Obi, there are plenty of college basketball teams that could use Obi off their bench. In a year or two he would start for 23 of the top 25 teams, but right now he's just not there.

WTS, I'm sure he'll get AG's blessing to hire an agent and get evaluated by the NBA this Spring - a move that will send this board into a death spiral - but he'll return for '19-'20, help take My Team to the NCAA, and start the process over this time next year...at which point we should simply wish him well.

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Just in case anyone is super nervous about losing Obi. We have another athlete in waiting...https://twitter.com/CampSanderson/st...587777/photo/1
Heard from a quality source that you may have 2: Chase Johnson. Question is health.
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I think the risk of Obi leaving is higher than most here think, because he has improved so much in his first year.

If you are a team picking in the bottom of the first round (e.g. Golden State, Toronto, Houston, etc), why not take a bit of a chance on Obi with your pick at #28/29/30?

Your team is already good, so you don't need the player to make an immediate and significant contribution. But it's a way to "steal" a player that you likely won't be in a position to draft if he stayed in school and ends up in the top half of the first round next year.

And from what I understand, all the NBA first rounder's last year had first year total contract values in excess of $1Million. That would be hard to pass up.
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As good as Obi is there is a lot of room between him and somebody like Zion Williamson. He’s doing what he’s doing in a league where 6’8” guys play center and a lot of his scoring is just being able to jump over people. I get that the flip side of that is you can’t teach his skills but you also can’t jump over NBA power forwards. I fully expect that Obi will be a first round draft pick. I don’t think it will be this year.
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We have to remember that he's not a normal freshman. He just turned 21. Obi will test the waters this year and go through the pre-draft process.

Right now he has dominate moments because he truly has an NBA body, which more than makes up for mental mistakes when playing in the A10. He's a couple years away from being NBA ready from a mental and skill standpoint.

My prediction: Teams tell him this year that he's probably a 2nd round pick with a year in the G-League in his future. He comes back for one more year and the stars align for a great season with him as the centerpiece.

Next year - he gets possible lottery consideration and he rolls the dice.

Either way - it's been a blast to watch him and I hope he does what's right for him. Selfishly I really hope that means he comes back.

Silver Lining: If he leaves - opens up a spot for Sean McNeil
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode View Post
Great for Obi. Bad for the fans. Obviously, we all want Obi to go on and make millions in the NBA, but it would be great if we could have him for 1 more year.

The program is a cluster of what if's.

- What if Chris Daniels didn't tragically pass away?
- What if Chris Wright didn't get hurt freshmen year?
- What if Big Steve didn't tragically pass away and how good would we have been with him in the middle on our last NCAA tournament team?

and for next year when we are a top 25 team....
- What if Obi was on this team? How good would we be....top 10?
What if Wilt Chamberlin . . . .
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But he can’t get $,$$$,$$$ from Coach Grant.
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What if Wilt Chamberlin . . . .

What if Roger Brown wasn't the victim of a witch hunt?
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. . . Ok... commence overreaction on both sides...
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