Flyers Dissed on WLW

[T-Bone 84]

Just heard Cunningham's show with Andy MacWilliams as a pre-season guest in re X hoops. Cunningham asked AMac about future NBE expansion. AMac said SLU should be a lock, and that Richmond was buddy-buddy with G-Town, making the arachnids the favorite for the 12th slot, and leaving our Flyers perpetually relegated to the A-10. He then went on to say that we hadn't won an NCAA game since the JOB era.

While AMac suffers selective amnesia in re the 2009 tourney, the truth hurts, and he's generally right in re UD's relevance on the national hoops radar since the 1980's. That said, UD's relevance to TV ratings will definitely get the eye of FS1, so I don't put too much stock in what the taking heads at WLW say (and I say this as a WLW listener). But it just reinforces the need to regain a position of relevance on the national stage...

And that begins tomorrow...

LET'S GO, FLYERS!!!

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[ud2]

Yes, those comments make it sound like Xavier is against UD getting into the Big East. It sure sounds like Xavier is not supporting UD's Big East candidacy.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[cjswartz]

The only place I really see anything to suggest otherwise (us getting in the NBE) is on this board. Pretty much everywhere else I've read, people don't think we have much to offer the NBE. Richmond seems like a great fit for the NBE, especially with the recent Robins center upgrades and more recent tourney success with the sweet 16 a few years ago, they bring a new market (they're well outside the DC metro area), and have Georgetown backing them. Seems like a logical choice coupled with the addition of St. Louis, adding a western and eastern team.

I've tried to remain positive about us getting into the Big East eventually, but I just don't see us offering enough recent basketball success to get in, which is what I think they're really looking for. They want to be a major conference in college b-ball and adding teams that go 64-64 since 2005 in a mid-major confernce just won't do anything for them. We need sweet 16 appearances soon and often if we want to seriously hope to get into the big east.

We can still see great basketball success in the A10 if we do get left out of NBE expansion though. It's not the end of the world at all, as we've seen A10 teams have great tourney success over the years.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[T-Bone 84]

I really like the potential of this year's team, as well as the direction the program seems to be going with recruiting (more BB skills in the last 2 recruiting classes than we've had in a long time), but it must translate into success on the court.

The guys have a chance to make a very positive statement this year in Maui. I hope they're all up to the challenge (and I mean the coaches and the players). If they fail to make any waves there (pun intended), then their next chance to do anything on a national stage won't come until the A-10 Tourney next March. Such is the life of a historically-middling mid-major.

[Gem City]

Honestly, when was the last time anyone from the Cincinnati media market had anything positive to say about Dayton?

I'm so glad the season is starting tomorrow.

[The Gem]

I think it says a lot about the folks in the Queen City. They like to cope with their civic inferiority complex by reminding themselves, "at least we are better than Dayton."

[jack72]

McWilliams is an X fan. He is a has been announcer, who knows nothing you and I don't.

[UD90]

All this talk has me thinking... would I rather Dayton become a Gonzaga/Butler(horizon era) or a Providence? Xavier is about to become a Providence. Other than an improved schedule I'm not convinced that the NBE is a good thing for us in regards the NCAA appearances.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[udx2]

Candidly, I just want to see this team do well in the A-10 and let our record speak for itself. Then the NBE issue can be taken up.

I agree with T-Bone and feel good about the opportunities for the team Archie is going to put on the floor.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by UD90 All this talk has me thinking... would I rather Dayton become a Gonzaga/Butler(horizon era) or a Providence? Xavier is about to become a Providence. Other than an improved schedule I'm not convinced that the NBE is a good thing for us in regards the NCAA appearances.

Great perspective, UD90. I do believe that, in the long run, from a prestige standpoint, it'd be best if UD was in the NBE. But to your point, if we'd been asked to join now, we'd be sitting in "Coach Class" with Providence, Seton Hall, & DePaul (& maybe X & Butler, now that Stevens has gone to the NBA), instead of "First Class" with Marquette & Georgetown. We need to prove ourselves against the class of the A-10 (VCU, LaSalle, SLU, etc.) before we can consider ourselves qualified to rub (trade? ) elbows with the blue bloods. And for most of the past decade, we haven't proven much.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Fudd]

Is that the old X fan guy who writes for Musketeer Madness? Delusional.

[cobra8u]

I think all Dayton fans should boycott WLW radio.........I cant stand Lance McCallister that dude is the worst sports talk guy they ever had, bring back Andy Furman......

[oRed]

NBE big day comes and goes and their best chances for early marquee w's go unfulfilled with Georgetown losing to an under manned Oregon and St. John's losing (as expected) to Wisconsin. Providence did beat BC at home in OT...

[bobber]

Originally Posted by oRed NBE big day comes and goes and their best chances for early marquee w's go unfulfilled with Georgetown losing to an under manned Oregon and St. John's losing (as expected) to Wisconsin. Providence did beat BC at home in OT...

I watched the G'town v Oregon game from Korea. If the Hoyas are picked second in the NBE and Oregon is picked fourth in the PAC-12, the PAC-12 is going to be tough this year. Oregon was missing several key players, as I understand it.

[Buster Goode]

Originally Posted by cobra8u I think all Dayton fans should boycott WLW radio.........I cant stand Lance McCallister that dude is the worst sports talk guy they ever had, bring back Andy Furman......

Furman over McCallister? LOL No thank you.

I vote to boycott the Big East speculation discussion. Let's just focus on trying to win more than 8 games in conference.

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by Fudd Is that the old X fan guy who writes for Musketeer Madness? Delusional.

Andy Mac is a Captain Kangaroo-looking mofo, ain't he?