New Committee - Good Ole Boys Again

[UD90]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...-nearly-not-in

Dayton in the play-in game: Okay. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the committee was doing on this one. A top-40 KenPom rating? Check. Top-30 RPI? Check. 25 wins? Check. Winning record against the RPI top-100? Check. There is legitimately no world where the Flyers on the 11-line makes sense to me, no world where UCLA being ranked ahead of the Flyers makes sense to me, and no world where UConn beating SMU earlier this afternoon in the AAC Championship game causing the Flyers to be left at home makes sense to me (exactly what would have happened had the Huskies beaten the Mustangs). The committee has a lot of explaining to do here.

[shocka43]

Nothing...NCAA had UD in this spot from the beginning....

[UD90]

I think the most disappointing thing for me is that all the progress with transparency and the mock selection process over the past few years is being thrown away because this guy decided that they would use the eye to justify them doing whatever they wanted.

The Mock Selection process is a joke if you have some guy ignoring the numbers they say they use to rationalize teams like UCLA or Texas getting into the NCAA.

If this is the direction it is headed back toward then let's let all 70 Power conference teams in and expand the field to 128.

Let's assume the Flyers did not lose to Duq and Lasalle. Finish the season 27-6. Probably the best we could do is a real 11 seed. Maybe a 9/10 seed. That's garbage.

If this is the case - I don't ever want to see a schedule WSU on MLK day thread again. They have to cut our non conf home games to 5 and go on the road anywhere we can get a power 5 game (if they will schedule us).

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Alberto Strasse]

The messages are very tough to swallow. It is really difficult to get to the NCAA in this year's
Atlantic 10 conference. The perennial slugs Fordham and Duquesne were joined this year by St Louis and George Mason with a brick-laying St Joe's closely on their heels. I feel bad for the players who responded so well to adversity with the shortened lineup and I feel bad for Archie Miller and his staff who are experiencing major disrespect from the NCAA selection committee. This may haunt the program when other teams court Mr. Miller.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[T-Bone 84]

UD90, they may have had a "mock selection" process several weeks ago, but they had a mockery of a selection process just about 6 hours ago.
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[Flyer69ers]

Sorry, UD90 - I posted a similar thread - didn't see this first. (great minds?)

[bobber]

This from John Feinstein of the Washington Post. He's trying to say the committee was just incompetent/bullied and that's why they did such a pi$$ poor job.

As far as I'm concerned, he's whitewashing corruption. And a little disclosure...this article is from 2007.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031402021.html

[ud2]

All I know is that Dance Card was dead on regarding UD, UD being a play in team makes sense in that sense.

[UD90]

Originally Posted by ud2 All I know is that Dance Card was dead on regarding UD, UD being a play in team makes sense in that sense.

They missed on UD as well as 6 teams in total. 3 in and 3 out. Yes the dance card is good. I always follow it, but dead on means they were right on. They weren't - so drop it.

In addition this is a new committee this year (clearly returning to the conference bias) that the dance card removed.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UD90 They missed on UD as well as 6 teams in total. 3 in and 3 out. Yes the dance card is good. I always follow it, but dead on means they were right on. They weren't - so drop it. In addition this is a new committee this year (clearly returning to the conference bias) that the dance card removed.

All I'm saying is that Dance Card predicted this poor seed for UD, so I don't see any evidence of good ole boy bias or disrespect towards UD.

According to Dance Card, UD got exactly the seed it deserved.

[UD90]

Originally Posted by ud2 All I'm saying is that Dance Card predicted this poor seed for UD, so I don't see any evidence of good ole boy bias or disrespect towards UD. According to Dance Card, UD got exactly the seed it deserved.

Go read the dance card pages. They do not predict seeding. Never have. They only predict likelihood of making the field. Many look at the list and make that interpretation. Take the time to watch the 35 minute video
on their site if you are going to continue to reference them. I've watched it.

[Chris R]

The MSP was a bracket pined over and picked by journalists, not committee members. Two completely different sets of brains at work. It was also a different snapshot in time.

Some of the time shifting certainly affects the MSP bracket and the actual one, but it cannot explain away many other parts to it and how one set of people looking at largely unchanged data sets of certain teams can come to entirely different conclusions.

[T-Bone 84]

Chris, you obviously took some time to deliberate over this issue before posting, while many of the rest of us grabbed the pitchforks & torches right away. The point you raised (same data; different results) leads me to 1 of 3 conclusions:
- The Bracketologists were ill-informed or biased;
- The Selection Committee was ill-informed or biased; or
- There's corruption in the selection process.

I think we can throw all possibilities involving "ill-informed" out the window, at least regarding the amount of information available. There's no lack of info. That reduces the possibilities to bias or corruption. And when nearly all of the community that watches this sport for a living, in a relatively disassociated manner, reaches a consensus that a given team (our Flyers) is among the top 40 in the country, yet a different community that only does this as an extracurricular activity, in a very coordinated manner, reaches a significantly different consensus, it seems clear where the greater opportunity for bias exists. And finally, if it comes down to corruption, well, let's see who's driving a new 'Vette after the Final Four.
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[TA111]

Originally Posted by UD90 Go read the dance card pages. They do not predict seeding. Never have. They only predict likelihood of making the field. Many look at the list and make that interpretation. Take the time to watch the 35 minute video on their site if you are going to continue to reference them. I've watched it.

Exactly. And they missed on 3 teams which is worse than most of the other prognosticators.

[TerryK_67]

Originally Posted by bobber This from John Feinstein of the Washington Post. He's trying to say the committee was just incompetent/bullied and that's why they did such a pi$$ poor job. As far as I'm concerned, he's whitewashing corruption. And a little disclosure...this article is from 2007. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031402021.html

while this was written 8 years ago it would appear nothing has changed...

"....... (the other power conference commissioners) went into action last spring, summer and fall. This can't happen again, they told the committee members. The NCAA tournament, in spite of rumors to the contrary, isn't about what is best for basketball and what is most fair to the players and coaches. It is about us. It is about how much money we make from the tournament (millions) and how we use making the tournament as a tool (recruiting) to ensure that we keep making more millions.

Well, the committee members certainly got the message."

The "good old boy" network not only lives, but thrives.....

[The Gem]

At least we complaining about the seed and not being left out. Even though I am as mystified as any about UD being the last team in, The Flyers are in, we get a "home" game and if they can win it, they only have to travel to C-Bus. The team plays better with a chip on its shoulder so here's to another deep run.

[bobber]

Following on the Feinstein article linked above, it seems to me we are back to that same situation that existed seven or eight years ago, where the BCS conferences dictated to the committee. Then things seemed to change and for the last few years the committee has been fairly predictable. The bracketologists usually got it right because they had a decent idea what the committee was looking for. Yes, there were surprises, but not jaw-dropping ones.

Now, emboldened again, the power boys are threatening anew to take their ball and go home unless they get even more than the lion's share of the NCAA Tournament revenue. And I think they have the NCAA really scared. After all, what if they did pull out and start their own tournament? It has been talked about.

So the NCAA caved, and teams like UCLA are in, even though they don't deserve it. I would say get used to it. It isn't going to stop at this year. There will be another group of extremely borderline BCS schools next year that get in, and get an astoundingly good seed, too.

[bobber]

This from the happy people in Colorado.

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/spor...-rpi/24829067/

[NJFlyr71]

Originally Posted by bobber This from the happy people in Colorado. http://www.coloradoan.com/story/spor...-rpi/24829067/

Just reading this article and thinking about Flyers as the point of conversation rather than CSU leaves me shaking my head!

We were stunned with our selection ... but those guys .... WOW

I feel their pain!

[Flyer68]

Let's stop all the whining. What's done is done. Losing at Duquesne and LaSalle killed us. Go to Yahoo Sports and hear the nice things being said about us, Archie and going into the tournament.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Ready Action]

At least ESPN regarding the tourney lists Dayton as a High Major. Seems most media respects UD's body of work, but some how the committee has UD as the last one in:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...sketball-field

[CE80]

Both RPI and SOS can be manipulated. What can't be manipulated is the quality of your conference teams. There is no way for teams in the non-power conferences to get the number of quality games as high as those in those conferences. In order to get legitimate shots at better seeds, teams in the second tier conferences are going to have to start scheduling non-conference games like the 1 bid leagues - going on the road and playing on power 5 courts.

[The Gem]

I remember being in CSU's position one of BG's years, I think it was the year we won the NIT maybe. UCLA and IU have no business being in the NCAA. I feel really bad for CSU.
I believe the ncaa is scared of the Power 5 leaving. I think even the NBE would get left behind on that deal. The big boys want to hoard all the cash for themselves.

[UD90]

Originally Posted by Flyer68 Let's stop all the whining. What's done is done. Losing at Duquesne and LaSalle killed us. Go to Yahoo Sports and hear the nice things being said about us, Archie and going into the tournament.

With UCLA getting in - do you really think two more 100+ wins would have made more than a 1 seed difference? We might have lost our first A10 tourney game and still been out.

There's a new Sheriff in town and he is changing the rules. His name is Scott Barnes.