Cooke and Sibert

[San Diego Flyer]

Looking back on the ooc and the whole body of work, Charles had some big shoes to fill and he has done it in almost every way. Jordan was excellent for us and we would like to have 3 more just like him, but Charles has made the transition. He is a scorer who can drive and shoot the 3. He is an animal on the boards. He is an outstanding defender and a player who has great court sense and understands the score and the clock. He's everything we hoped for. If Josh Cunningham is anything like Charles, we will not skip a beat next season. And that's taking nothing away from my personal favorite, Dyshawn.

[CE80]

I think Cooke has filled in adequately for Sibert. I don't think he is as good of a shooter but is more athletic and better at taking it to the hoop. Free throw shooting may be where he does not match Sibert.

That said, with Pierre back, we should be just as good as last year with he added depth. Just need to get a few decent minutes from the freshman and a bit more from Steve each game.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Charles has long arms and has surprised me as a defender.
He can improve in two areas:

1) He does not finish strong enough at the rim. He needs to use his body to protect the ball better. Too many layups are blocked or altered.
2) His Free Throw shooting needs to be more consistent. Missed some important ones last night.

[Sea Bass]

Charles is not the shooter that Jordan is. He is a better defender and rebounder.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Charles has long arms and has surprised me as a defender. He can improve in two areas: 1) He does not finish strong enough at the rim. He needs to use his body to protect the ball better. Too many layups are blocked or altered. 2) His Free Throw shooting needs to be more consistent. Missed some important ones last night.

Agree here. Good news is these are teachable techniques. His defense is superior.

[jack72]

Overall right now Sibert for Cooke is an even trade, but at this point he has one and a half seasons to go.

It was amazing that Archie took Kyle off of Hannah and put Cooke on him, who did a great job. Great coaching move.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Charles is not the shooter that Jordan is. He is a better defender and rebounder.

He may not be the shooter Sibert was last year but the seasons not over and my gut says he's only just beginning to come into the player he will become. Those two guys are simply different types of players and I'm glad we've had them both.
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[San Diego Flyer]

Sibert / Cooke

fg% 46/45
3pt 35/40
ft% 79/70
RB 3/7
ast 2/2

defense edge to Cooke.
clutch shooting to Sibert

The 3pt shooting numbers favor Cooke, albeit on a small sample. Jordan had more MIA shooting games than folks might recall. Was occasionally substituted out for defensive stands.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan 2) His Free Throw shooting needs to be more consistent. Missed some important ones last night.

I agree, but Kyle missed the important ones last night.

[steve]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Sibert / Cooke fg% 46/45 3pt 35/40 ft% 79/70 RB 3/7 ast 2/2 defense edge to Cooke. clutch shooting to Sibert The 3pt shooting numbers favor Cooke, albeit on a small sample. Jordan had more MIA shooting games than folks might recall. Was occasionally substituted out for defensive stands.

Interesting stat on 3 point % between the 2...What is very deceiving/ironic on that is that JS mainly up until his last year was really just a catch and shoot guy who would spot up..Guys like that that can hit 3's, win a couple big games with 3's or make the "big" 3, and get labeled great "shooters" because, imho, it's an art/skill-set they've developed..They don't really do enough on the offensive end in many sets to really have noticeable deficiencies even though savvy and knowledgeableobjective fans realize that JS was not good finishing at the hoop his junior year....

CC has not yet won a game(s) with a big 3 or sent a game into OT with one, yet, gets labeled as a guy that was not good from the 3 point range coming into the year or, rather, not at the level of JS and still labeled as "not the shooter" that JS was yet has a noticeable better %.....

Yes, folks will say that the 35% was for the entire year for JS, which it was, and that CC's % will decrease which it probably will but if folks can use that 3 ball as a deficiency of CC presently or say that he's not what JS was then it's also fair game to flip the switch and say he's a better 3 point shooter right now than JS was minus the game-winner(s)....CC has hit some really really big 3 balls that have changed the outcome of games and stifled opponents momentum and continued UD's momentum in multiple games...

CC is, and has, NBA talent, a NBA body,NBA length, and plenty of the other physical tools those guys drool over and still has maybe 55-60 games left at UD........I agree with those that say he needs to take the ball stronger to the hoop on the break, go up for the dunks, and he'll get the FT line more..

[Sea Bass]

Jordan shot 43% from three point range as junior. He had some off nights as a senior but I am pretty sure no one would take Charles over Jordan if they needed a three made.

Charles has been subbed on to an opposing player a number of times and slowed them down (Uthoff, Beech, Hannahs)

[Flyer 86]

Was thinking of Sibert during the game last night. You guys got it. It's a defense vs spot up key 3 tradeoff.

Cooke does many things well Jordan didn't do (and frankly wasn't asked to do) - like rebound, swat some key shots, D key guys. He just drives more, whereas Jordan was primed and ready for a quick release 3.

Still look at this as our weakness. Kyle has hit some 3's, Pierre will heat up some more on 3's. But we're still short a CONSISTENT , reliable 3 Man! (shooter, that is)

[San Diego Flyer]

Taking this a bit further, I did an extensive study of what Sibert contributed in the clutch over his career. It is interesting to see the maturity come out as he reached the middle and end of his career. Subjectively we all know that he matured as a driver to the rim, and a defensive player that was not a liability.

I looked at what he contributed in the last 5 minutes of every CLOSE game his Junior and Senior year. He was instrumental in securing a win in the last 5 minutes of 3 ooc games his Junior season--IPFW, St Francis, and Gonzaga. IPFW was a hell of a dramatic start.

In the A10 he was key to the win against Duquesne and St Louis. He played a contributing role in post season but no last 5 minute heroics.

Moving to his Senior year, Jordan was relatively quiet in ooc at the end of games. As an example we were down 2 points to Bowling Green with 5 minutes to play and Jordan missed two 3's and made a couple of free throws and we won 56-52. Against Eastern Michigan we were up 2 points with 5 minutes to go, and Jordan missed two 3 point shots and was 2/4 from the line. We won going away.

During the first half of his Senior A10 season he was relatively quiet in the last 5 minutes of games. Then he began to heat up in the second half of the A10 and the post season. He was instrumental in winning 5 close games. Those were St Louis, St Joes, St Bonn, Boise, and Providence. Collectively in the last 5 minutes of those 5 games he was 3/4 from three point, and 14/18 from the line.

What is impossible to quantify is how much attention he drew as a result of his reputation as a clutch shooter in those close games. Thereby leaving others more lanes to score.

So to summarize, there were 10 games his Junior/Senior seasons where he put us on his back and won the game. I don't know how to judge that against other players but it seems pretty good. He also was AWOL at the end of a few games which happens to all players. Just ask Kris Dunn.

Point here is Cooke is just a first semester Junior and filling in nicely for the Sibert void in different ways. He may/may not match Sibert's 10 games of heroics, but by his second semester Senior season he could be a monster for us.

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[Ready Action]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 He may not be the shooter Sibert was last year but the seasons not over and my gut says he's only just beginning to come into the player he will become. Those two guys are simply different types of players and I'm glad we've had them both. Posted via Mobile Device

Cooke III is a pure basketball player who is athletic. You can see the way he moves and sees the court that the game is natural to him. He has a lot to improve on, but I think you're right by the end of the season we all are going to be saying WOW.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer What is impossible to quantify is how much attention he drew as a result of his reputation as a clutch shooter in those close games. Thereby leaving others more lanes to score.

This is so true. I do know this, going into games, the opponent knew the name Jordan Sibert more than any other. He was always the in the limelight and in keys to the opponents winning. That in itself is worth a ton to the other 4 players on the court.

This season, Scooch seems to be the one getting all the accolades before games. Stopping the PG is just not going to happen if he's that good and Scooch is that good.

[UDDoug]

Sibert did much more to stretch the defense.
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[Alberto Strasse]

Cooke is a better all around basketball player as a Junior than was Sibert. It starts with defense. His line versus Arkansas was 18 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block. He is far from a finished product but at this point as a junior I would favor his total impact over Jordan Sibert at the same stage. The other consideration is leadership qualities. He appears to me to be one of the team leaders.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan 2) His Free Throw shooting needs to be more consistent. .

Here's the support for that statement.


When Charles is getting to the line a lot, his ft % is better. He is a very streaky ft shooter.

He has played in 12 games. His best 6 free throw shooting games he was 38 for 45 = 84%

His worst 6 games he was 11-20 = 55%.

That is an unusually wide disparity in accuracy from top to bottom. Seems like he's either got it or he doesn't on any given night.

[sheg]

CC3 looks better overall than Sibert did at the same point in their careers at Dayton. I certainly hope Cooke turns out better overall because JS was pretty **** good.

In Sibert's defense, he had a lot less experience on the court at the D1 level than Cooke did (albeit Sibert's experience was at a higher level). Cooke played a lot of minutes at JMU.

It's not really fair to compare them, as they're not the same type of player, but Cooke essentially replaces Sibert in the starting lineup, so the comparison is valid.