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Obi’s Status
Watching RI-VCU on CBS Sports. At the half they showed Obi going down, but reported they talked to him and he said he was good to go.
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Oh great. Watch the poll voters jump on that event.
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Video shows #33 stepping on Obi's ankle, which caused him to fall in a twist. But he walked off with hardly a limp. In a boot now. Modern treatments could have him ready for Tues.
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Obi needs to get healthy and QUIT SHOOTING THREES. He is so efficient inside the arc he is doing the defense a favor when he casts a three.
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
Obi needs to get healthy and QUIT SHOOTING THREES. He is so efficient inside the arc he is doing the defense a favor when he casts a three.
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Somebody said this about Landers last year........
Anyway, re: Obi and three pointers, your statement may be the biggest overreaction I’ve seen/heard on this board all season.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
Somebody said this about Landers last year........
Anyway, re: Obi and three pointers, your statement may be the biggest overreaction I’ve seen/heard on this board all season.
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He looked ugly today on a couple, but for the season he is 33% and his ability to hit threes stretches the D out and opens up lanes for him to drive, or with his good court vision pass to team mates for the wide open shot.
Speaking of Obis passing, I would hate to be on the other team against him in a dodge ball tournament!
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33% works out to 50%. Hes shooting 70% inside the arc. Which is better?
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
33% works out to 50%. Hes shooting 70% inside the arc. Which is better?
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It is a shame the game of basketball is not as easy as math......
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01-11-2020, 06:20 PM
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I was told there would be no math
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
33% works out to 50%. Hes shooting 70% inside the arc. Which is better?
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You’re good at math. Basketball logic? Not so much.
And you can’t speak in such absolutes. He doesn’t shoot a lot of threes. He’s shown an ability to knock them down, at a reasonable %, and when he does, he and the team are that much better. The fact that he’s a three point threat might contribute to the 70% inside the arc performance. Just a thought.
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I was told there would be no math
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We will keep it simple, leave your shoes on
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01-11-2020, 06:45 PM
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I hope they are EXTREMELY cautious with him in regards to the VCU game. I am paranoid every time he goes up for a slam that he's going to break an ankle or a leg and poof there goes the season.
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01-11-2020, 07:13 PM
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Injuries happen as you can't play scared. In he testing the NBA "waters" last off season, to which he received great feedback from the beloved RC Bufford and Pop and to a much lesser extent other minor team's execs. The resulting feedback has resulted in more three point attempts and dribble drives to the cup. The end result will be good all around as we trust!
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I had flashbacks to Chris Wright’s freshman season. Nationally ranked, going for 14th win, broken ankle ... and we know the rest of that story. Never been so glad to see a player in a walking boot instead of on crutches. Here’s hoping Obi is fit and ready to roll starting Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Speaking of Obis passing, I would hate to be on the other team against him in a dodge ball tournament!
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I wonder how fast he can throw a baseball.
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Originally Posted by Fudd
I wonder how fast he can throw a baseball.
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Completely different motion but I'd bet 84+. Not a strike but good velocity.
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I had flashbacks to Chris Wright’s freshman season. Nationally ranked, going for 14th win, broken ankle ... and we know the rest of that story. Never been so glad to see a player in a walking boot instead of on crutches. Here’s hoping Obi is fit and ready to roll starting Tuesday.
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Ironic that Chris was in the house today to receive his acceptance into UD’d HOF
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01-12-2020, 04:01 PM
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I hope for scouting sake that he is a gameday decision until Tuesday.
My desire to know his status doesn't outweigh the ability to make VCU over prepare.
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I'm more concerned that we get him for the trip to SLU. I watched both teams this year. I predict that the 4 byes will be: Dayton, Duquesne, and two of the following in this order: Rhode Island, SLU, Richmond, or VCU. Sounds like SBU has been getting better as well.
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FWIW, perhaps not a lot, Obi is listed as a probable starter for Tuesday's game by the DDN.
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Originally Posted by Hobopotamus1
FWIW, perhaps not a lot, Obi is listed as a probable starter for Tuesday's game by the DDN.
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Since we have established that Coach Grant is a liar this week, clearly he has no hope and either Obi is going to be full go, or he's going to be no go. Just can't trust that man with his "hope" talk.
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I think the more important part of Rothstein's tweet was that Obi is "responding well to treatment."
I was very, very susceptible to pronating ankle tweaks and twists on the basketball floor due to stepping on peoples' feet. Results of doing this ranged from just tying up my shoes tighter and continuing to play right then and there to going to the emergency room and not being able to walk for a month and not being able to play for six months.
FWIW, from having had these experiences, I can say that even with the former situation when I could keep playing, right when you do it, it feels really scary, and you don't at first know how bad it is. I can also say that, I think there was never a time when I did it that I could walk with little of no limp (as Obi did) where I wasn't able to play after 24 hours. The ankle just felt a little sore.
Also, as far as how scary it was, my ankle wasn't worth 20 million dollars. Obi was audibly moaning on the ground and looked scared and angry. The moaning in pain was what worried me most, but hopefully that was just the fear coming out.
I think that the Rothstein tweet, CAG's "hope" comment and what we saw Saturday point to Obi being ready to go Tuesday.
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It wasnt like Obi came down on someone's foot after skying for a jam with all of his weight 4ft off the ground. He was more or less just backpedaling and got it goofed up. Both hurt like a mother, but theres a big difference in the treatment and recovery of both.
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I have done this at least 25 times...have bad ankles but great knees! There is a difference between a "roll" and "crashing on an ankle" from a rebound or jump shot. I have experienced both many times. He experienced the former, which is normally good in one or two days.
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Even if Obi can go, assuming he's not 100 percent, I'd love to see them start the game with him on the bench. See if we can beat them on our home court without him. If it looks like it's close or we just can't get anything going, we bring him in.
I just feel that if we could beat VCU without Obi at home, it would give us a great advantage when we play at VCU and have him 100 percent. I always believe that the team that loses first game on the road has an advantage in the second game on their home court because they will make adjustments. Would be a lot harder to adjust if they don't see Obi the first game.
Now, that's just the case if he's not 100 percent. If he is, yes, he has to play.
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I respectively disagree. If he's good enough to play, then you start him from the tip. Worst thing psychologically is to have this team thinking in the back of their heads that Obi is their savior off the bench for this game, if they get behind he's the white knight. What if he comes in, but then discoveries he can't go full speed? Or what if after warmups he sits for 5 minutes and things start to stiffen up a bit and now he can't get loose? How much damage would that do to the UD psyche to think, its ok, we've got Obi just in case, only to find out that they don't?
No if he's cleared medically and is good to go, even if its at 80% or whatever magical number the collective thinks he can't do any further damage you start him like normal then figure it out as the game progresses.
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The thought of AG sending a messenger to the locker room right after the injury with the following message makes me smile:
"Make sure Obi comes out in a walking boot and that he's limping, we're listing him as day-to-day and not releasing any information. <wink> <wink>"
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Originally Posted by Smitty10
Even if Obi can go, assuming he's not 100 percent, I'd love to see them start the game with him on the bench. See if we can beat them on our home court without him. If it looks like it's close or we just can't get anything going, we bring him in.
I just feel that if we could beat VCU without Obi at home, it would give us a great advantage when we play at VCU and have him 100 percent. I always believe that the team that loses first game on the road has an advantage in the second game on their home court because they will make adjustments. Would be a lot harder to adjust if they don't see Obi the first game.
Now, that's just the case if he's not 100 percent. If he is, yes, he has to play.
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Respectfully disagree, for a myriad of reasons. If he's good enough to play, say anywhere from 60% to 80% or better, he presents us the best chance to win and take a stranglehold on this regular season race. He's a legit national POY candidate, so if he's ready enough to play and contribute, without the risk of hurting it worse by just playing and not necessarily just stepping on someone again, then he should play. Also, if Obi wants to play and both says and demonstrates he's capable, he's leading the Flyers on the opening tip. Further, the available treatment and resources these days is unbelievable.
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Twitter rumors say he's fine walking around on campus without a boot.
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Originally Posted by shwag33
Twitter rumors say he's fine walking around on campus without a boot.
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Multiple people seeing this?
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Originally Posted by shwag33
Twitter rumors say he's fine walking around on campus without a boot.
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This is as good as first hand information, IMO. Students out on the twitterverse!! Way better than any coach-speak, which I think is exactly what we should hear from CAG in these situations.
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Seth davis also on twitter saying he should be ready for tomorrow.
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Reminds me of the good ol' early internet rumor days.... players constantly spotted walking around on crutches or in boots or conversely seen dancing at Tim's; never an in-between
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Originally Posted by shwag33
Twitter rumors say he's fine walking around on campus without a boot.
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The students tweeting this have Obi confused for Mikesell and his new found hops. Obi was seen driving one of those motorized scooters down Brown Street, no way VCU should prepare for him to play now.
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER
Respectfully disagree, for a myriad of reasons. If he's good enough to play, say anywhere from 60% to 80% or better, he presents us the best chance to win and take a stranglehold on this regular season race. He's a legit national POY candidate, so if he's ready enough to play and contribute, without the risk of hurting it worse by just playing and not necessarily just stepping on someone again, then he should play. Also, if Obi wants to play and both says and demonstrates he's capable, he's leading the Flyers on the opening tip. Further, the available treatment and resources these days is unbelievable.
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Couldn't agree more! I'm not one for playing games like that, with my own guys or an opponent. I'm a firm believer in running YOUR system, the most efficient and effective way possible, every single time you are able.
This is a huge game, against our conference rival, and they are coming in off a home loss and will be hungry. Without hesitation, I'm running my biggest, baddest horses and trying to beat their boots off right from the opening tip.
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Couldn't agree more! I'm not one for playing games like that, with my own guys or an opponent. I'm a firm believer in running YOUR system, the most efficient and effective way possible, every single time you are able.
This is a huge game, against our conference rival, and they are coming in off a home loss and will be hungry. Without hesitation, I'm running my biggest, baddest horses and trying to beat their boots off right from the opening tip.
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Let me clarify. I didn't present it to "play games". I presented it as if the situation were a "We'd prefer to let him rest and heal but if we need him to win this game, he's playing." I'm not suggesting sitting him to mess with the minds of the opponent.
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I think he should show up to pre-game warm ups with a boot and crutches. Then, during introductions, he can strip off the boot and throw the crutches aside when his name is called.
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Originally Posted by Fudd
I think he should show up to pre-game warm ups with a boot and crutches. Then, during introductions, he can strip off the boot and throw the crutches aside when his name is called.
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Willis Reed-like!
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Well except Reed only scored 4 points, none after the first few minutes of the game. If Obi's not healthy enough to contribute beyond the first few minutes, sit his butt on the bench and let him get fully healthy.
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I'm 100% sure CAG will do the correct thing for Obi and the Flyers.
If he's 100% he will play.
If not 100% he will not play.
This is ONE game, CAG wants to have a 100% Obi beyond tonight.
Note: If this was game 1 of NCAA then CAG would probably run Obi out there if at 80% etc.
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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66
I'm 100% sure CAG will do the correct thing for Obi and the Flyers.
If he's 100% he will play.
If not 100% he will not play.
This is ONE game, CAG wants to have a 100% Obi beyond tonight.
Note: If this was game 1 of NCAA then CAG would probably run Obi out there if at 80% etc.
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I think it is highly possible he would play tonight even if he is not 100%.
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Pardon the interuption; but winning this game will not give UD a strangle hold on the confernece race. Anyone here of Duquesne, or the other 12 teams. I don't recall a team ever getting a stangle hold on the fourth game of conference season...just saying....seems a little premature.
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach
Pardon the interuption; but winning this game will not give UD a strangle hold on the confernece race. Anyone here of Duquesne, or the other 12 teams. I don't recall a team ever getting a stangle hold on the fourth game of conference season...just saying....seems a little premature.
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I used the term stranglehold, and it's probably not the right word or use of the word. However, it doesn't change my opinion of the importance of the game and Obi's participation in it, even if less than 100%. A home game against the preseason favorite and our biggest challenger to the A10 regular season title (historically and probably this year) is a critical game. The fact that it's our home game probably makes it a more critical game to the Flyers than VCU.
IF Obi is risking further damage that would otherwise heal with a week to 10 days off, then maybe he should rest. But dealing with ankle injuries for years myself, I don't believe the ligaments are at a greater risk than if they were to heal in 10 days and he goes out and lands on someone's foot. He has just as much of a chance of "reinjuring" his ankle in March as he does tonight and little to no risk of doing any harm in the short-term or long-term.
I think if Obi is "healthy", meaning he can run and jump without any discomfort, then he should play. I'm not sure I can apply what 60% or 80% healthy actually is, slight limp, no limp, tender, sore, etc. If he can play and contribute w/out risk of an otherwise advanced or premature injury/setback, he'll be out there.
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Oh I have no doubt he will at-least try to go. But VCU or not, in the greater scheme, it is only one game. Plus, if UD gets beat with Obi out, but goes on to win 24 plus games, you can bet the selection committee will be taking stock of that, regarding seeding etc. At this point, you could easily argue that winning a road game at SLU, would carry more, or at-least equal, weight to beating VCU at UD Arena.
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I see we are 5 point favorites...…..I don't know what exactly that means. Are betters betting on Obi playing or are they betting on him not playing. Or do they even know Obi sustained a sprained ankle on Saturday?
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I see we are 5 point favorites...…..I don't know what exactly that means. Are betters betting on Obi playing or are they betting on him not playing. Or do they even know Obi sustained a sprained ankle on Saturday?
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I have seen anywhere from -8 to -10 point favorites. I have seen no site that says -5. We opened at -8.5 and it quickly went up to -9.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
I have seen anywhere from -8 to -10 point favorites. I have seen no site that says -5. We opened at -8.5 and it quickly went up to -9.
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You are correct. I was looking at the Davidson Richmond game. I see, on the CBS sports website we are 8 point favorites. Don't get old!
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Originally Posted by Bill McPeek
You are correct. I was looking at the Davidson Richmond game. I see, on the CBS sports website we are 8 point favorites. Don't get old!
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Well that certainly beats the alternative.
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Oh I have no doubt he will at-least try to go. But VCU or not, in the greater scheme, it is only one game. Plus, if UD gets beat with Obi out, but goes on to win 24 plus games, you can bet the selection committee will be taking stock of that, regarding seeding etc. At this point, you could easily argue that winning a road game at SLU, would carry more, or at-least equal, weight to beating VCU at UD Arena.
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It is one game but not all games are created equal. UD has maybe 4-6 chances to improve its post season position within the A-10. Tonight is one of those games. Not to put too fine a point on it but a win or loss tonight could easily be the difference between a 2 or 3 seed and 6 or 7. We need to win this game, both SLU games, both Duquesne games, and (based on what I have seen so far) both URI games. We could probably withstand a loss at VCU. All the talk about the committee taking injuries into account...they do that if you are Michigan and you lose to Michigan State by 5 without your best player. UD isn't going to get that benefit of the doubt when it comes to seeding. If there is a justifiable excuse to move us down in favor of a P5 school, you can bet they will avail themselves of it.
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Originally Posted by Bill McPeek
You are correct. I was looking at the Davidson Richmond game. I see, on the CBS sports website we are 8 point favorites. Don't get old!
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I was going to say if you found -5 take it!
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I think it is highly possible he would play tonight even if he is not 100%.
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I agree as long as it can be wrapped and no additional damage done going on less than 100%.
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If hes hurt, he plays. If hes injured, he sits.
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If Bellicheck was the coach, Obi would be hobbling around campus using crutches with a boot on.
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I agree as long as it can be wrapped and no additional damage done going on less than 100%.
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I also think regardless of how his ankle is today that it will be highly wrapped for the game.
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Obviously anything can happen to anyone going forward. If I felt there was even a 5%-10% likelihood he would reinjure the ankle playing tonight and would miss at least 3-4 more games I would never chance it.
At this point, the most important thing is getting into the tourney and getting there as healthy as can be. That's the big picture in my mind. I put almost zero importance on keeping a 3-6 seed or top 25 remainder of the season if it puts him at ANY risk.
We get in and we are healthy, I don't think our seed will matter one bit. This ain't your grandpa's Flyers!!
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... I put almost zero importance on keeping a 3-6 seed or top 25 remainder of the season if it puts him at ANY risk.
We get in and we are healthy, I don't think our seed will matter one bit.
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I disagree. High seeding helps a lot in getting to the second weekend. I want very much to be in at least the second weekend.
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Based on numbers I am seeing, 8 points is the "Obi playing, but not playing much" line.
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Toppin's playing per DDN. He practiced yesterday
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Obi is fine. Watching him do windmill dunks with no problem.
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Pic head lining the article mentioned above, can't get any better than this for the article on ESPN.
PR value anyone?
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Obi is becoming the go-to story in NCAA basketball this season. And by extension, the Dayton Flyers. It's press that feels equivalent to a great NCAA run. The pundits love talking about us and ESPN loves rolling video of him dunking all over everyone.
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And the only one in the top 12 not from a Big 5+1 school. UD and Obi are breaking through the paradigm.
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NBADraft.net has Obi going #4 to Cleveland.
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NBADraft.net has Obi going #4 to Cleveland.
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As a Cav's, fan I love it.
As an Obi fan, I hate it.
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Based on the thread title, and last night's game, I think this thread can be put under lock and key!
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Originally Posted by Radar
Based on the thread title, and last night's game, I think this thread can be put under lock and key!
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Personally, I thought it should have been titled "Obi Watch", with Paul Rudd doing the day by day updates.
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