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Sources: Dayton, Tulsa to play next December as part of a doubleheader at Mohegan Sun. STORY @FanRagSports:
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The other game in the doubleheader will West Virginia against Rhode Island

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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
The other game in the doubleheader will West Virginia against Rhode Island

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/ro...t-mohegan-sun/

tha'ts still a pretty solid double header!

and that means we could end up playing RI 3 times next year, or 4 if you count the A10 tourney.
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tha'ts still a pretty solid double header!

and that means we could end up playing RI 3 times next year, or 4 if you count the A10 tourney.
I don't think the winners and losers of each game play another game.
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Playing a neutral game against a top 100-150 opponent (assumed) has to make UD2 happy!
Tulsa could sneak into the top 100 with the losses the top teams in the AAC haven taken to graduation and the NBA so far. They've got three guys with D1 experience coming on board next (transfer/JUCO) and they've got their starting PG back so they might be better than expected

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tha'ts still a pretty solid double header!

and that means we could end up playing RI 3 times next year, or 4 if you count the A10 tourney.
We won't play the teams in the other game, it's one off game against Tulsa
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Tulsa could sneak into the top 100 with the losses the top teams in the AAC haven taken to graduation and the NBA so far. They've got three guys with D1 experience coming on board next (transfer/JUCO) and they've got their starting PG back so they might be better than expected.
I hope those transfers aren't from bottom 20/30 teams. We want some good competition.
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I hope those transfers aren't from bottom 20/30 teams. We want some good competition.

At least we can do some solid scouting of potential transfers :-)
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I had never heard of Mohegan Sun. It is an Indian Tribe casino in CT.

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It's a big casino up there. It very well could be the biggest casino on the east coast
Awesome news about this game, another live game for me to get to.

At one point Mohegan Sun was one of the highest grossing casinos in America, not sure if that is still true or not but it's pretty popular. Along with Foxwoods, which is only a few minutes drive away, its a nice place to visit if you are into gambling and casinos.
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Awesome news about this game, another live game for me to get to.

At one point Mohegan Sun was one of the highest grossing casinos in America, not sure if that is still true or not but it's pretty popular. Along with Foxwoods, which is only a few minutes drive away, its a nice place to visit if you are into gambling and casinos.
They at one time had free buses running up there from NYC.

I went there once when I was living in New England and it's a very nice casino, like Las Vegas strip quality.
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Awesome news about this game, another live game for me to get to.
Uh, what's your record at live games?
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Haha not too good!
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Battle for Atlantis
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one game at UD Arena for the mainland portion of the Battle for Atlantis
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one game at UD Arena for the mainland portion of the Battle for Atlantis
Is this speculation or do we have something lined up? Just curious; I had not heard any specifics about this. I know the Maui Invitational has mainland only teams in it (I forget which St. Francis we played in 2013 as a “mainland” game). I didn’t know if the Battle 4 Atlantis did the same.
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Playing a neutral game against a top 100-150 opponent (assumed) has to make UD2 happy!
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This is a nice game. Schedule so far:

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6 out of a potential 13 games filled. Someone please correct this if need be.
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Playing a neutral game against a top 100-150 opponent (assumed) has to make UD2 happy!
Yes, I approve, lol.

Some Tulsa head coaches through the years: Nolan Richardson, Tubby Smith, Danny Manning, and Bill Self.

Now, give Nevada a call and let's set up a home and home with them.

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Season Record RPI Rank SOS Rank

2017-2018 rpi 89
2016-2017 22-9 0.5764 45 0.5307 90
2015-2016 20-11 0.5729 58 0.5497 64
2014-2015 22-9 0.5764 45 0.5307 90
2013-2014 21-12 0.5603 73 0.5316 100
2012-2013 16-15 0.5209 128 0.5222 123
2011-2012 17-14 0.5283 119 0.5274 99
2010-2011 19-13 0.5543 81 0.5454 70
2009-2010 22-11 0.5652 68 0.5346 99
2008-2009 23-10 0.5750 53 0.5331 88
2007-2008 20-13 0.5419 93 0.5159 117
2006-2007 18-11 0.5258 118 0.5027 140
2005-2006 10-17 0.4711 203 0.5064 143
2004-2005 9-20 0.4482 243 0.5150 119
2003-2004 9-20 0.4749 197 0.5297 91
2002-2003 22-9 0.5598 64 0.5098 124
2001-2002 25-6 0.5900 33 0.5179 113
2000-2001 21-11 0.5634 61 0.5325 84
1999-2000 29-4 0.5997 21 0.5067 140
1998-1999 22-9 0.5859 29 0.5447 61
1997-1998 18-12 0.5324 98 0.5098 116
1996-1997 23-9 0.6017 15 0.5627 31
1995-1996 22-7 0.5782 39 0.5180 100
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This is likely a q1 or q2 game.

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus.
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Is this speculation or do we have something lined up? Just curious; I had not heard any specifics about this. I know the Maui Invitational has mainland only teams in it (I forget which St. Francis we played in 2013 as a “mainland” game). I didn’t know if the Battle 4 Atlantis did the same.
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They've had a mainland game for the major teams and a mainland tourney for the buy teams the last couple of years. From what I read on another board the same thing is a go for this year

As usual each of eight main bracket teams will host one of four Mainland visitors before heading to the Bahamas. Those four mid-majors will then play out their own two-round bracket

With four games permitted in an exempt event and three scheduled in the Bahamas, the eight quarterfinalists only play one on-campus game in the Battle 4 Atlantis.
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They've had a mainland game for the major teams and a mainland tourney for the buy teams the last couple of years. From what I read on another board the same thing is a go for this year



https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2...-tennessee-smu
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so for those keeping tracking at home Battle for Atlantis is 4 games

Battle for Atlantis mainland game against buy team & 3 games in the Bahamas
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so for those keeping tracking at home Battle for Atlantis is 4 games

Battle for Atlantis mainland game against buy team & 3 games in the Bahamas
Do we know who the teams for the campus games are yet?
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Do we know who the teams for the campus games are yet?
I haven't seen anything yet but this link goes to a site that does a good job of keeping up with teams in the exempt tourneys

https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2...s-thanksgiving

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So I think the real questions left on the schedule next year is will they play a 31st game, will they start a H/H series at the Arena or will they fill the rest of the schedule out with buy games
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If my math is correct, we have 2 possibly 3 matchups against the SEC, 1 American, One potential in the Bahamas from the ACC, big 10, big 12, BE, conference USA, and pack 12. Given that the season actually starts a few days earlier this year, I wonder if in addition to the typical Friday night game will we see a Tuesday game?
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Tuesday, November 6, extra Bahamas game.
Friday, November 9, possibly a MAC opponent?
Tuesday or Wednesday of the following week, another home game.
Then we head down to the Bahamas.
We then have a seven-day break before we play the game against Tulsa. I would then expect us to play Mississippi state somewhere around December 5. We would then head south to Auburn that following weekend. After exams, the 16th we have a nice buy game coinciding with graduation like we always do. That gives us two spots left four games before Christmas. Then it’s all Atlantic 10 all the time.
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With the Tulsa game we now have 14 road/neutral games. If we don't get one more someone here will not be happy!
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With the Tulsa game we now have 14 road/neutral games. If we don't get one more someone here will not be happy!
Haha, we are not getting one more road/neutral game, I would bet a lot of money on that fact, the r/n part of the schedule is now complete.

The only question now is whether we start another tougher h/h at home or just stick with the MSU home game and add another buy game.

This year: 3 in the Bahamas, at Auburn, Tulsa neutral, MSU.

Last year: 3 in SC, at MSU, at SMC, Auburn.

2016-2017: 3 in Anaheim, at Alabama, NW neutral, Vandy, and SMC.

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Haha, we are not getting one more road/neutral game, I would bet a lot of money on that fact, the r/n part of the schedule is now complete.

The only question now is whether we start another tougher h/h at home or just stick with the MSU home game and add another buy game.

This year: 3 in the Bahamas, at Auburn, Tulsa neutral, MSU.

Last year: 3 in SC, at MSU, at SMC, Auburn.

2016-2017: 3 in Anaheim, at Alabama, NW neutral, Vandy, and SMC.
that's not why were not getting another road game, UD use to have 18 home games a year, now its 17 (counting exhibition game), they are not going down to 16 home games, not gonna happen, ud mens basketball pays the bills
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that's not why were not getting another road game, UD use to have 18 home games a year, now its 17 (counting exhibition game), they are not going down to 16 home games, not gonna happen, ud mens basketball pays the bills
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that's not why were not getting another road game, UD use to have 18 home games a year, now its 17 (counting exhibition game), they are not going down to 16 home games, not gonna happen, ud mens basketball pays the bills
And it's unfortunate, they bring it all in and have to support a bunch of financial black hole teams.
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Given the early start to the season, I am now curious if we will play at Auburn in the first game and ESPN may bring back the 24 hour tip off marathon leading into the champions classic? For some reason when I posted above, I had in my head the Tulsa game was scheduled for Dec second. Man our schedule will be very front loaded.
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Given the early start to the season, I am now curious if we will play at Auburn in the first game and ESPN may bring back the 24 hour tip off marathon leading into the champions classic? For some reason when I posted above, I had in my head the Tulsa game was scheduled for Dec second. Man our schedule will be very front loaded.
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r u serious ? did u really just type that you think UD will play at Auburn in the first game of the year ? they have played a meatball at home opening day for the last 50 years
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Since we are playing Tulsa in Connecticut next year, does that mean we are playing Connecticut in Tulsa the following year? I get confused with all this scheduling . . .
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r u serious ? did u really just type that you think UD will play at Auburn in the first game of the year ? they have played a meatball at home opening day for the last 50 years

Yes I am serious and I know exactly what I wrote. In terms of playing meatballs to start the season, you mean like the one that we almost lost to at home last year, and that one time we played IPFW and required a SportsCenter top 10 shot to win that game, arguably leading to an elite eight run? TV, in Auburn’s case, ESPN or the SEC network, doesn’t care about whether It’s the first game of the season and that means we have to go on the road. They care about how many eyeballs they can get on a certain game. That’s how these types of games are scheduled. In case you were unaware, Auburn has these small gatherings on Saturday afternoons during the fall that don’t involve the basketball team. Their fans will not watch a weekend basketball game. But thanks for your well thought out reply to my post. The level and depth of your thoughts is certainly appreciated.
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r u serious ? did u really just type that you think UD will play at Auburn in the first game of the year ? they have played a meatball at home opening day for the last 50 years
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Given the early start to the season, I am now curious if we will play at Auburn in the first game and ESPN may bring back the 24 hour tip off marathon leading into the champions classic? For some reason when I posted above, I had in my head the Tulsa game was scheduled for Dec second. Man our schedule will be very front loaded.
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True, but regardless when they get played the Quad 1 and 2 win possibilities will be plentiful. November and the first part of December we'll know if we can sniff an at-large. Im still of the opinion we can do real damage.
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My son and I hit the RTJ Trail when Dayton played at Bama 2 years ago. great trip, good golf courses (before we tore them up) and at the time $80 play all day for carts and green fees. Played 43 holes day 1, 54 on day 2, Flyers game on day 3, and 36 more on the way home.
You must have spent a fortune on golf balls.
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You must have spent a fortune on golf balls.
Funniest thing, we were on the course and found an entire field full of golf balls some guy by the name of RANGE lost. They even had an easy to identify stripe painted on each of them , so we helped ourselves to a couple bags full.
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Battle for Atlantis participant Oklahoma released their OOC schedule today. Looks like Wofford or North Texas is one of the non bracketed participants
Oklahoma is also playing 2 road games at Texas-Rio Grand Valley and Texas-San Antonio. Gotta pick up those easy road victories to help the RPI.
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Oklahoma is also playing 2 road games at Texas-Rio Grand Valley and Texas-San Antonio. Gotta pick up those easy road victories to help the RPI.
Both coaches at those schools are former Oklahoma assistants under Lon Kruger. I assume he's throwing them a bone giving them those games
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Was reading an article on Western Kentucky scheduling and their AD mentions UD as a team they'd like to play and have been talking to. They seem to be trying to get good home games for their fans.

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Was reading an article on Western Kentucky scheduling and their AD mentions UD as a team they'd like to play and have been talking to. They seem to be trying to get good home games for their fans.

http://www.bgdailynews.com/sports/wk...2d04af111.html


“We’d like to have Dayton and Xavier and Cincinnati and Butler. Those type of regional games would be great ones to have. We’re having conversations with all those people.”
They've been doing a nice job of using their football team as a bargaining chip to get home games. They got home games with Wisconsin and Arkansas this way
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They've been doing a nice job of using their football team as a bargaining chip to get home games. They got home games with Wisconsin and Arkansas this way
I've never considered that. That's brilliant. WKU football is going to play that type of road football game regardless. Might as well make themselves available to the highest bidder to benefit the basketball program. Win-Win.
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I've never considered that. That's brilliant. WKU football is going to play that type of road football game regardless. Might as well make themselves available to the highest bidder to benefit the basketball program. Win-Win.
Other programs have done this well. Southern Illinois got a home with Indiana during the mid 2000s offering up their football team.
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Wow. As a player it sure would be exciting to be the corny dog in a dog fight.
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Louisville and Western Kentucky will begin a four-year series at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville on Dec. 20, 2019, a source told FRS Sports on Monday.

There will be a pair of games at KFC Yum Center during the 2020-21 and 2022-23 seasons with a game in Bowling Green taking place during the 2021-22 campaign.


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Outside of the in-season tournaments, our scheduling has been horrendous over the past 3-4 years. Absolutely horrendous. Are people really getting excited for Tulsa? We let our 4-year tournament run goto waste in terms of leveraging better home/home series for the future. This actually makes me sick to my stomach and would gladly say this to Neil if I ever meet him in the near future.
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Outside of the in-season tournaments, our scheduling has been horrendous over the past 3-4 years. Absolutely horrendous. Are people really getting excited for Tulsa? We let our 4-year tournament run goto waste in terms of leveraging better home/home series for the future. This actually makes me sick to my stomach and would gladly say this to Neil if I ever meet him in the near future.
We are hosting likely Top 25 Mississippi State and facing another Top 25 team Clemson on the road... Not Bad
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We are hosting likely Top 25 Mississippi State and facing another Top 25 team Clemson on the road... Not Bad
Clemson?

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Clemson?

I must have missed something.
Auburn.

I think it depends what your goals are... UD’s goal has been to craft a non conference schedule which will put us in position to get an at large NCAA bid if we perform well. Last year was a transition year but outside of that, the schedule has been a rousing success. Again, if your goal is to make the NCAA tournament. If your goal is to play as many name opponents as possible then uh, yeah, it hasn’t been all that great. But the Tulsa game is a very creative way to get a good neutral site game. I bought my two tickets last week when they went on sale.

We got four straight at-large NCAA bids with our scheduling model. If you think that is a disaster, um, you’re just wrong.
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My question is why play Tulsa on a neutral site? A game against them next year on the road offers the opportunity for a better quadrant victory and assuming its a series gives us potentially a good home game on the 19/20 schedule

Assuming Auburn & Mississippi St aren't renewed that's one less game Neil has to try to find

Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240
Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus.
Based on the way quadrant systems weights road vs. neutral games it would appear to me that the road game is the better way to go. Your quad likely jumps a line with a road win vs a neutral win
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Auburn.

I think it depends what your goals are... UD’s goal has been to craft a non conference schedule which will put us in position to get an at large NCAA bid if we perform well. Last year was a transition year but outside of that, the schedule has been a rousing success. Again, if your goal is to make the NCAA tournament. If your goal is to play as many name opponents as possible then uh, yeah, it hasn’t been all that great. But the Tulsa game is a very creative way to get a good neutral site game. I bought my two tickets last week when they went on sale.

We got four straight at-large NCAA bids with our scheduling model. If you think that is a disaster, um, you’re just wrong.
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The schedule was a success because we were able to win the 1 or (at most) 2 games we needed to secure an at-large bid. Two of those four years by the skin of our teeth no less. And, oh by the way, this all occurring when we were on the best four-year run of this program's history. 11-seeds, skin of our teeth, supposedly the best years of our history. I guess that's perspective folks.

If you are saying the schedule strategy is good for the end goal, yes, that has been a success. However, at some point, fans get sick of seeing the same mediorce big conference teams year in and year out. If we have to play Auburn one more time, I will puke. They finished 11th in the SEC last year. If that excites you, um then you're just plain wrong.

When other non-major programs started having significant success (see Xavier at the time, Gonzaga, Wichita State) they were able to schedule major players on the road, neutral or occassionally at home. I'm sick of hearing the sob stories from the athletic department about no one wants to play us. Try harder. Go on the road like we did years ago when we played Duke and UNC back-to-back and were competitive. Teams are rewarded for this - I'm not saying go out and play top 5 teams on the road all the time, but I'm tried of the mediocrity around schedules.

Those with season tickets, raise your hand if you were excited with more than 2 games that were on the slate this year....... Outside of URI and VCU, pretty pretty pretty thin. If that's a rousing success, I might be following the wrong team. I understand the argument of manipulating the schedule to slant and favor your weaker program to win games in order to "earn" an NCAA bid. However, in order to elevate the program, don't always play around with the ****ants. Do us a favor and walk up to the biggest douche on the playground and take a swing at them please Neil.

By these viewpoints to my original message, it's clear the vast majority of fans here are content skirting by, playing the system and sweating on Selection Sunday. In order to be great, play with the greats.

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Our fans, more than anything else want to see our name in the NCAA draw each season. Neil has done his job in cherry picking teams that, if we beat them, postures us to reach that end-game. We need to win, and also achieve respectable RPI and SOS ratings.

Tulsa, New Mexico, Creighton, SMU, SEC, SDSU, are the kinds of teams we have scheduled in the past, and fit the end-game vision. Then there is a strata of frogs to kiss. The kind where we try to pick lesser programs that will have good years.

We hope to schedule teams that will get us to our end-game. And we hope fans will embrace the totality of the scheduling with that in mind.

To this end, Neil has done a good job. 14-17 seasons don't help him any. We need to start beating whomever Sullivan puts on our platter. If we do that at an 80 to 90% pace, scheduling will evolve to something more palatable. Truth is, at this time we are not good enough to be picky about opponents.

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Outside of the in-season tournaments, our scheduling has been horrendous over the past 3-4 years. Absolutely horrendous. Are people really getting excited for Tulsa? We let our 4-year tournament run goto waste in terms of leveraging better home/home series for the future. This actually makes me sick to my stomach and would gladly say this to Neil if I ever meet him in the near future.
I submitt that Neil has done an excelent job of scheduling to put us in a position to Dance. Our OCC RPI has been a strength in the recent past. We were in the same position last year but couldn't win. Getting P5 schools to play at the Arena is no easy trick with memories of PITT ringing in their ears. I agree that bigger name schools on the home schedule is a good thing, easy to say, hard to do.
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode View Post
Outside of the in-season tournaments, our scheduling has been horrendous over the past 3-4 years. Absolutely horrendous. Are people really getting excited for Tulsa? We let our 4-year tournament run goto waste in terms of leveraging better home/home series for the future. This actually makes me sick to my stomach and would gladly say this to Neil if I ever meet him in the near future.
The issue is that the schedule is centered around math, not names.

In the past, people overlooked the OOC due to having solid A10 teams that got people excited. X, VCU, GMU, etc. There were some solid names in the last 10 years on the OOC, but many of them were scheduled when the iron was hot and they ended up being lower tier SEC schools or other conferences where they weren't that productive. Yes....beating Bama and other SEC schools looks good on TV...but sometimes the math isn't there.

It is all a numbers game. Good mid majors that aren't exciting when their names are called can really help. Not to mention, say a team like WKU...more games like that means more yearly "rivals" that may fire up the base a little bit. Yearly series with the OOC, yes Miami, at least drew interest from the fans...versus Embry Riddle or Southern Gateway CC in southern Georgia.
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode View Post
Outside of the in-season tournaments, our scheduling has been horrendous over the past 3-4 years. Absolutely horrendous. Are people really getting excited for Tulsa? We let our 4-year tournament run goto waste in terms of leveraging better home/home series for the future. This actually makes me sick to my stomach and would gladly say this to Neil if I ever meet him in the near future.
Did I miss something? We just came off a season where our non-con SOS was 2nd in the entire country. Just imagine the complaints if we were 5th in the country.
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Did I miss something? We just came off a season where our non-con SOS was 2nd in the entire country. Just imagine the complaints if we were 5th in the country.
The overall sos number for UD still is not all that great. The A10 is weaker now. Temple and X, in the past and now, beat us like a drum in terms of overall sos.

It is too bad that UD chose not to schedule like they do now, when the A10 was stronger.

San Diego State has also beaten us handily in terms of overall sos over many years.

Also, VCU, since they joined the A10, has beaten us handily in overall sos over many years.

Even UMass has beaten us handily in overall sos over many years.
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The overall sos number for UD still is not all that great. The A10 is weaker now. Temple and X, in the past and now, beat us like a drum in terms of overall sos.

It is too bad that UD chose not to schedule like they do now, when the A10 was stronger.

San Diego State has also beaten us handily in terms of overall sos over many years.

Also, VCU, since they joined the A10, has beaten us handily in overall sos over many years.

Even UMass has beaten us handily in overall sos over many years.
But you have to eyeball and schedule in advance and not short term.

The toughness of the A10 doesn't mean a thing if we actually handle business in the A10. If we are in the bottom half of the A10, then sure, our overall SOS is going to be garbage. The assumptions made in scheduling deal with where we "should" finish in the A10 and where the A10 "should" be year to yer.

The backdoor scheduling goes on well in advance of the end of the previous season. Look at CFB. OSU knows who they are playing years down the road. I find it pretty probable that UD will have their irons in the fire with other opponents at Atlantis, hoping to score a series 2 to 4 years from now. In that case, we have no idea how tough that school will be tin 2 to 4 years and we don't know how tough the A10 will be.

UD can't simply decide to make their OOC that much better just because the assumption is that the A10 will be down. It has to be statistical probabilities over a period of time.

I agree that UD doesn't have the A10 X scheduling model. It would be nice, but do the numbers add up in terms of financials and SOS.
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I agree that UD doesn't have the A10 X scheduling model. It would be nice, but do the numbers add up in terms of financials and SOS.
We are in the top 25 nationally in terms of men's basketball finances, I don't understand your point of view.

How can we not afford something better? You seem to be saying that we are too poor in order to be able to afford something better.

Every time some website analyzes men's basketball finances nationally, we are always in the top 25.
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The overall sos number for UD still is not all that great. The A10 is weaker now. Temple and X, in the past and now, beat us like a drum in terms of overall sos.

It is too bad that UD chose not to schedule like they do now, when the A10 was stronger.

San Diego State has also beaten us handily in terms of overall sos over many years.

Also, VCU, since they joined the A10, has beaten us handily in overall sos over many years.

Even UMass has beaten us handily in overall sos over many years.
Agreed with overall number because the A10 is down. Nothing we can do about that. We only control the non-con schedule and we have really done a great job of scheduling.
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Did I miss something? We just came off a season where our non-con SOS was 2nd in the entire country. Just imagine the complaints if we were 5th in the country.
Take an honest look at our schedule and tell me that's a top 3 SOS in the country. There's a major flaw in the math if what we had last year was top 3.
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Take an honest look at our schedule and tell me that's a top 3 SOS in the country. There's a major flaw in the math if what we had last year was top 3.
Our KenPom NC SOS based on final season results was #118. My guess is the "3" was our NC SOS tallied before the conference schedule began.

Of the top 20 NC SOS, only 3 were not mid or low majors: Temple (7), UNC (16), Tennessee (20). The rest played a ton of "buy" games away from home.

Here's all the A10 NC SOS according to KenPom:
Richmond - 34
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I agree UD has doing a good job at scheduling. I do think the A10 should consider the type of flexible end of season scheduling that other conferences are starting to deploy.
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Non conference SOS isn't a signifactor factor with the committee

Bruce Rasmussen, selection committee chairman and Creighton athletic director

Dirk is correct in stating that the non-conference SOS has its flaws. It only takes into account the won-lost records of who you played, not where you played the game, not the outcome of the game, and most importantly, not the strength of the team you played. For instance, for non-conference SOS purposes, a game at home against 9-6 Penn has a more positive impact on non-conference SOS than a game on the road against 7-5 Indiana because winning 9/15 games is a better decimal than winning 7/12.

[B]Non-conference SOS is not a predominant tool in selections.[/B]

Again, while non-conference SOS is a number referred to by the committee and the public, it is not the non-conference SOS that the committee looks at but the non-conference games with specifics that the committee looks at. Did you give the committee a picture of whether or not you should be in consideration for an at-large spot or a high seed in the tournament if you did not win your conference tournament
http://www.omaha.com/sports/blogs/ma...1d32c13f9.html

Pretty clearly the committee sent the message this year they care about about the number of high quality wins a team again. See Oklahoma vs the Bonnies
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Non conference SOS isn't a signifactor factor with the committee

Bruce Rasmussen, selection committee chairman and Creighton athletic director



http://www.omaha.com/sports/blogs/ma...1d32c13f9.html

Pretty clearly the committee sent the message this year they care about about the number of high quality wins a team again. See Oklahoma vs the Bonnies
That was last year.
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That was last year.
He's the selection committee chair again the upcoming season. The quadrant system isn't going away next year
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Non conference SOS isn't a signifactor factor with the committee

Bruce Rasmussen, selection committee chairman and Creighton athletic director



http://www.omaha.com/sports/blogs/ma...1d32c13f9.html

Pretty clearly the committee sent the message this year they care about about the number of high quality wins a team again. See Oklahoma vs the Bonnies
Agree the goal post has moved. Neil played the RPI game well, have confidence he will make every effort to play the the new game well.
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Non conference SOS isn't a signifactor factor with the committee

Bruce Rasmussen, selection committee chairman and Creighton athletic director



http://www.omaha.com/sports/blogs/ma...1d32c13f9.html

Pretty clearly the committee sent the message this year they care about about the number of high quality wins a team again. See Oklahoma vs the Bonnies
I guarantee that if you are a bubble type team and have a non-con sos of 250+ it will be a factor. The committee has stated on numerous occasions that teams that schedule weak in non-con could be affected.
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I guarantee that if you are a bubble type team and have a non-con sos of 250+ it will be a factor. The committee has stated on numerous occasions that teams that schedule weak in non-con could be affected.
absolutely if you play a weak schedule in OOC it's a factor but focus on what the Committee chairmen himself said

non-conference SOS has its flaws. It only takes into account the won-lost records of who you played, not where you played the game, not the outcome of the game, and most importantly, not the strength of the team you played. For instance, for non-conference SOS purposes, a game at home against 9-6 Penn has a more positive impact on non-conference SOS than a game on the road against 7-5 Indiana because winning 9/15 games is a better decimal than winning 7/12.

OOC SOS is pretty incomplete in terms of measuring how a strong a schedule you played

Dayton played 1 at large qualifier in OOC. SOS doesn't mean that's the 3rd best non conference schedule its more reflection of being good at gaming the RPI which the committee by the words of their chairmen sees through
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My bad, I mixed them up with Alabama. Alabama, another boring team we seem to play every 2-3 years.
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Really have to give Neil kudos on the Auburn and Mississippi State series. I can't remember the last time the champion of a power conference has played on UD's home floor.

Those were both series were people on twitter were very critical of playing because at the time they appeared to be SEC bottom feeders. Great foresight by Neil
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Rasmussen's own Creighton team went 2-10 vs Quad 1 teams and breezed into March Madness as a #8 seed. Oh snap. So much for "number of quality wins".

Take every single word the committee says with a grain of salt. Once you dive into the weeds of the data and look more closely, its full of more holes than Swiss cheese. Its why schools like Dayton become so frustrated. The goalposts don't just move between seasons, but between teams and conferences.

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Rasmussen's own Creighton team went 2-10 vs Quad 1 teams and breezed into March Madness as a #8 seed. Oh snap. So much for "number of quality wins".

Take every single word the committee says with a grain of salt. Once you dive into the weeds of the data and look more closely, its full of more holes than Swiss cheese. Its why schools like Dayton become so frustrated. The goalposts don't just move between seasons, but between teams and conferences.

Listen to the propaganda. Believe none of it.
Creighton had a win over Villanova which is needle moving victory

They went 5-2 against quad 2 and 13-0 against Quad 3/4

A win over a number 1 seed, no bad losses, 7 quad 1-2 wins

I would agree they get the benefit of Big East bias
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Creighton had a win over Villanova which is needle moving victory

They went 5-2 against quad 2 and 13-0 against Quad 3/4

A win over a number 1 seed, no bad losses, 7 quad 1-2 wins

I would agree they get the benefit of Big East bias
Big East bias? I was not aware that such a thing existed.

What are we talking about? Number of bids? Seeds?

What are some examples? Creighton last year does not seem like a valid example.
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Creighton had a win over Villanova which is needle moving victory

They went 5-2 against quad 2 and 13-0 against Quad 3/4

A win over a number 1 seed, no bad losses, 7 quad 1-2 wins

I would agree they get the benefit of Big East bias

After further review, it does look like Creighton maybe should have been a 10 or 11 seed, but 184 brackets on www.bracketmatrix.com had them averaged out as a 9 seed, so they would appear to have only been overseeded by 1 seed.

They got an 8 instead of a 9.

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Creighton had a win over Villanova which is needle moving victory

They went 5-2 against quad 2 and 13-0 against Quad 3/4

A win over a number 1 seed, no bad losses, 7 quad 1-2 wins

I would agree they get the benefit of Big East bias
There were 9 at large teams that had a worse rpi than them, so there are 4 10 seeds and 6 11 seeds, so by rpi maybe they should have been around a 10 seed.

The selection committee had them at #30, which equates to an 8.

Their metrics were:

Kenpom 27

BPI 22

Sagarin 21

KPI 45

ESPN Strength of Record 30


http://warrennolan.com/basketball/20...team=Creighton

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Rasmussen's own Creighton team went 2-10 vs Quad 1 teams and breezed into March Madness as a #8 seed. Oh snap. So much for "number of quality wins"...
Reminds me of the arguments we used to hear back in the ‘80s, when 16-12 Georgetown and others like them would get NCAA tournament invites:

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Our current roster can't handle a better schedule. We will need a lot to go right to break even this year. There is no sense in making thing worse.
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The #3 (actually #2) ranking comes from UD's non conference rpi SOS per UDPride. Certainly you can argue that KenPom is a better metric, but that is where it is coming from, for whatever its worth.
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Anyone complaining about our schedule should look at URI's lol

Home: Bryant, Brown, Stony Brook, Harvard and Middle Tennessee State
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Alabama home game moved to next year and Nevada opted out of the road game to the Ryan Center

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Anyone complaining about our schedule should look at URI's lol

Home: Bryant, Brown, Stony Brook, Harvard and Middle Tennessee State
Away: Providence, Charleston, Holy Cross
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Alabama home game moved to next year and Nevada opted out of the road game to the Ryan Center

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I would be heated if Nevada did that to us
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I would be heated if Nevada did that to us
I would too... but that's on URI for giving them the option to do that
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I would too... but that's on URI for giving them the option to do that
I would think all home-and-home contracts are built like that. Why wouldn't they be?

It's no different than coaching contracts that have a buy-out which is paid by the coaches new team (basically), and the opportunity for a home-and-home with that team, unless that team is one of 3 dream jobs for a coach.

I think it's more interesting in that Nevada opted out at all. Weren't we just talking about Quad 1/2 wins, road victories, and the sort, and Nevada bailed out on one. (possibly, URI has new coach and graduated a lot) Is Nevada afraid of losing to URI? Afraid of URI not being a Quad 1/2? That's where the story is here. Why did Nevada buy out URI?
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I would think all home-and-home contracts are built like that. Why wouldn't they be?

It's no different than coaching contracts that have a buy-out which is paid by the coaches new team (basically), and the opportunity for a home-and-home with that team, unless that team is one of 3 dream jobs for a coach.

I think it's more interesting in that Nevada opted out at all. Weren't we just talking about Quad 1/2 wins, road victories, and the sort, and Nevada bailed out on one. (possibly, URI has new coach and graduated a lot) Is Nevada afraid of losing to URI? Afraid of URI not being a Quad 1/2? That's where the story is here. Why did Nevada buy out URI?
They were supposed to play at Davidson this year too but they pushed that series back to 19/20

I haven't been able to find a reason but I wonder if it might have something to do with staying out west. Vegas, LA and Phoenix looks like the only place they're traveling to so far
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Originally Posted by Figgie123 View Post
I would think all home-and-home contracts are built like that. Why wouldn't they be?

It's no different than coaching contracts that have a buy-out which is paid by the coaches new team (basically), and the opportunity for a home-and-home with that team, unless that team is one of 3 dream jobs for a coach.

I think it's more interesting in that Nevada opted out at all. Weren't we just talking about Quad 1/2 wins, road victories, and the sort, and Nevada bailed out on one. (possibly, URI has new coach and graduated a lot) Is Nevada afraid of losing to URI? Afraid of URI not being a Quad 1/2? That's where the story is here. Why did Nevada buy out URI?
I found these tweets from the Nevada beat writer


@MurrayRGJ
Cost to Nevada to buy out the Rhode Island game was $50,000. So the Wolf Pack basically bought a home game against a Top 25 team last year for $50,000


@Tlemieux72
Replying to @MurrayRGJ
Kingston be like, and I don’t blame the fans, ad, or coaches for being ****ed.

I also can understand why Nevada did it but old saying does comes to mind. “If you play with fire....

@MurrayRGJ
I don't think that was the original plan, but the Sweet 16 run opened other scheduling opportunities and URI shouldn't have agreed to a $50K buyout. Industry standard is $100K. I can see it from both sides. Nevada fans won't be happy if USC, for example, bails next year.
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Anyone complaining about our schedule should look at URI's lol

Home: Bryant, Brown, Stony Brook, Harvard and Middle Tennessee State
Away: Providence, Charleston, Holy Cross
Neutral: WVU, Diamond Head Classic

Alabama home game moved to next year and Nevada opted out of the road game to the Ryan Center

Woof!
Why is this such a bad schedule? WVU, Providence, Harvard, MTSU. I'd take that in a heartbeat. Plus you get at least another decent game at the Diamond Head. Charleston had a RPI in the 60s last year and Stony Brook is usually decent.

Have you some some insider knowledge about why our schedule will be better than this?
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