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Old 01-30-2013, 11:20 PM
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Did we really expect it to end any differently? We've lost every single tight game this year. Of course X gets back to back rebounds off back to back missed free throws, and then of course Matt D's trey rims all the way in and out.

Jimmy Carter. It's the life of the Dayton Flyers...
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No way we should go to the C7 with this slop. It would be like the Great Midwest all over again.
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this game was not about boxing out, it was about physical toughness. The defining play was around the 8 minute mark. Benson had Philmore boxed out on an X miss. Philmore was able to tip the ball up, push Benson under the basket and then grab the rebound and stick it back in the basket while Benson stood there and watched.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:21 PM
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16 total rebounds. Perryman got that on a bad night by himself.
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this game reminded me of Hill/Strong against Coffee and others.
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass View Post
this game was not about boxing out, it was about physical toughness. The defining play was around the 8 minute mark. Benson had Philmore boxed out on an X miss. Philmore was able to tip the ball up, push Benson under the basket and then grab the rebound and stick it back in the basket while Benson stood there and watched.
boxing out is about physical toughness...so its one in the same too me. either way...benson is awful and should be sitting the rest of the year.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dnutz77 View Post
UD will destroy them in Dayton, but it doesn't matter.
It would be something, but x is only going to get better (because it seems they always do) and it seems we're going the other direction (we take a half step forward and 2 back)
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TA111 View Post
Benson shouldn't see the floor unless Robinson and Scott have fouled out. Really great move sitting your strongest player under the basket when you are getting pounded on the boards.
There is no excuse for this. If the kid is in trouble, that's another issue. But he has demonstrated strength and attitude whenever he is in the game.
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Originally Posted by udstevied_D87 View Post
i'm not blaming it on KD when he has NO help on offense with these poorly designed offensive sets. i tried to find moments when he could have passed it off and they were few and far between
No, this is on KD. He had open guys all night and decided to keep dribbling. Stop making excuses.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:22 PM
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And now they're chanting "Jimmy Carter - Jimmy Carter".

And I suggest Archie makes them start running now, from Norwood all the way back to South Park/Oakwood.

Good God Almighty, when we will ever have a group of guys on the bench (in uniforms AND in suits) who can get a win down there?

WILL WE EVER AGAIN have a group of guys on the bench (in uniforms AND in suits) who can get a win down there?

I feel like going out and buying a cat just so I can kick it!

And Larry is giving 'em #@!! about the lack of effort on the boards right now, calling-out their manhood, and telling the listeners that if they had seen this debacle, they wouldn't question his evaluation of their "effort".
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass View Post
this game was not about boxing out, it was about physical toughness. The defining play was around the 8 minute mark. Benson had Philmore boxed out on an X miss. Philmore was able to tip the ball up, push Benson under the basket and then grab the rebound and stick it back in the basket while Benson stood there and watched.
That play alone should get Benson a seat at the end of the bench for the rest of the season.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:23 PM
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Did Scott sleep with Archie's wife?
Why would we need Scott? We're doing just fine inside!
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:26 PM
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Watching Xavier grab back-to-back rebounds on back-to-back misses of the front ends of 1-and-1s pretty much sums up 30+ years of losing down there. I mean, after that what else can you actually expect to see? I've watched a lot of basketball in my life and I'm having trouble remembering another time I've seen it. A win at Xavier is feeling like an Indians World Series title; give me a few more seasons and I might bump it to White Sox, Red Sox, and the Cubs level.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:27 PM
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Remember, Archie has three and-a-half more years to learn how to do his job. So get used to it.

X shot 52.8% from the floor and just about doubled us up on the boards.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:27 PM
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we dont deserve to win this game...
We didn't.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:28 PM
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I think at some point that Archie has to go with some toughness inside with Scott. We are also very predictable with our last shot. Dillard goes against four defenders and forces a tough shot. We've lost a lot of close games that way.
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Did Scott sleep with Archie's wife?
Better question: how many seniors are sleeping with Archie?
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I think at some point that Archie has to go with some toughness inside with Scott. We are also very predictable with our last shot. Dillard goes against four defenders and forces a tough shot. We've lost a lot of close games that way.
At some point? It should have been done a long time ago. A major part of this loss is on AM. No way Benson should have been out there in the second half after being pushed around all game.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:31 PM
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"Disheartening"? Really, Archie? DISHEARTENING?!?!?!?!

Thank God they emphasized rebounding in practice this week. Just think how bad it would have been if they hadn't?

God, I'm just so sick right now...
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Originally Posted by TA111 View Post
Benson shouldn't see the floor unless Robinson and Scott have fouled out. Really great move sitting your strongest player under the basket when you are getting pounded on the boards.
How Scott didn't see a minute of playing time tonight is beyond me. JB played as soft as a marshmello. Agree, JB should only be coming off the bench going forward. Give Scott his minutes; at least Scott wants to play hard. I'd accept his freshmen mistakes for at least 3 GD rebounds....
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Dillard refuses to pass to a wide open Pierre and instead misses a tough runner
Matt D was open for three, too...
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Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
Watching Xavier grab back-to-back rebounds on back-to-back misses of the front ends of 1-and-1s pretty much sums up 30+ years of losing down there. I mean, after that what else can you actually expect to see? I've watched a lot of basketball in my life and I'm having trouble remembering another time I've seen it. A win at Xavier is feeling like an Indians World Series title; give me a few more seasons and I might bump it to White Sox, Red Sox, and the Cubs level.
I'd say at this point....expect the White Sox to win the World Series before you ever, EVER see UD win at X. This was the most uninspired play I think I've ever seen a UD team display down there. Those last 30 seconds just showed who had desire and who didn't. Absolutely NO excuse to lose a missed foul shot rebound, really....ever....
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer View Post
Matt D was open for three, too...
the next time down he passed to Pierre who nailed the three to give the Flyers the lead. I'll take Pierre over any other Flyer late in the game. He also nailed a big one in OT against USC.
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the next time down he passed to Pierre who nailed the three to give the Flyers the lead. I'll take Pierre over any other Flyer late in the game. He also nailed a big one in OT against USC.
Concur. DP looks like he's gonna be a great Flyer...
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i'm not blaming it on KD when he has NO help on offense with these poorly designed offensive sets. i tried to find moments when he could have passed it off and they were few and far between
The problem is less with the sets than the point guard who won't pass and move.
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X shot 52.8% from the floor and just about doubled us up on the boards.
Those two stats are one and the same essentially. If you miss, rebound and put it back in you shoot 50%. That's pretty much what they did.

The original defense was not that bad. Rebound the dang ball and they shoot low to mid 30s.
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Individual Plus/Minus Stats
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 ud | plunus | time  | effect  
----+--------+-------+---------
 JB |      8 | 24:16 |  13.187
 DO |      6 | 31:50 |   7.539
 VS |      1 | 32:18 |   1.238
 KP |     -3 | 12:04 |  -9.945
 DP |     -5 | 30:15 |  -6.612
 MD |     -7 | 08:55 | -31.402
 KD |     -8 | 35:38 |  -8.980
 JR |    -17 | 24:44 | -27.493
Lineup Plus/Minus Stats
Code:
       lineup       | count | plunus | time  
--------------------+-------+--------+-------
 KD, JB, DO, DP, VS |     6 |      4 | 11:17
 KD, DO, JR, DP, VS |     6 |     -4 | 07:09
 KD, JR, MD, DP, VS |     2 |     -2 | 01:08
 KP, KD, DO, JR, DP |     2 |     -6 | 04:59
 KP, JB, DO, DP, VS |     1 |      6 | 02:23
 KD, JB, DO, JR, VS |     1 |      5 | 03:08
 KD, JB, JR, MD, VS |     1 |     -1 | 02:43
5 minute scoring breakdown
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----------+---------+-------+--------+------
        1 |       3 |     4 |      4 |    0
        1 |       2 |     5 |     10 |   -5
        1 |       1 |    11 |      7 |    4
        1 |       0 |     7 |     10 |   -3
        2 |       3 |    13 |     10 |    3
        2 |       2 |     5 |      6 |   -1
        2 |       1 |     8 |     10 |   -2
        2 |       0 |     8 |      9 |   -1
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