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Old 06-02-2021, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
In the first half of game 5, Obi was 0-2 from the field but grabbed 3 rebounds. We'll see if Thibs goes with Randle and Toppin together in the 2nd half.
I’m pretty sure Obi hit a 3 his first shot from out front. But then I think he missed two from the corner???
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The Knicks are tired. I saw Rose drive the lane and score. Fall down under the basket and when he got up he could hardly run back down the court. The effort to get to the basket took all his energy. Randle is spent too. All the hustle plays going to Atlanta. I’d hate to see the rebounding stats. It doesn’t help all the Knicks players stand around the 3 pt line on offense and when they miss (often) there is no one to rebound. Atlanta is going to have to go ice cold for the Knicks to extend their season.
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Yes I know Thibs took the Knicks from a .318 regular season winning percentage last year to a .569 this year, but the guy looks clueless coaching and trying to motivate his team in the playoffs. The lack of ball movement is disgusting, wake me up if the Knicks wake up.
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Old 06-02-2021, 09:42 PM
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Obi trying to bring the NYK back:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...66591523246080

Later Obi missed a jumper. He finishes with 2 points and 3 rebounds in 10 minutes.

Wait 'til next year.

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Old 06-02-2021, 09:43 PM
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Well the second team starts the 4th and look at that, they’ve cut into the lead. Down 9 now and this group looks like they at least have a pulse and a chance to score. They are at least bringing some hustle. Go Knicks.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA View Post
Well the second team starts the 4th and look at that, they’ve cut into the lead. Down 9 now and this group looks like they at least have a pulse and a chance to score. They are at least bringing some hustle. Go Knicks.
and just like that Obi is on the bench and the Hawks extend the lead back to 16
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Knicks guards make too many turnovers. 19 pt. lead is the largest of the game! Obi only got about 8 minutes total. His nifty drive to the basket for two points cut the lead to single digits and a minute later he misses a 15 footer from the base line and comes out so Randle can come back in.
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Old 06-02-2021, 11:30 PM
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This seems to be a pattern with the coach. Teams do well in regular season and then fall on their face in the layoffs. Now we know why.
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Old 06-02-2021, 11:45 PM
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Why is Obi Toppin standing in the coffin corner on every offensive possession. He needs to be running toward the rim for entry passes, back doors, alley-oops, and getting outlet passes on defensive rebounds/transition. Obviously its by design. You dont buy Seattle Slew and then stick him in a barn. I realize everybody in the NBA likes to shoot threes and guys are spreading the court, but you design an offense that exploits everyone's strengths too. That ain't what Obi's strength is. He plays above the rim and on the Autobahn.
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As I predicted, Randle flames out and the Knicks go down with him.
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Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
Why is Obi Toppin standing in the coffin corner on every offensive possession. He needs to be running toward the rim for entry passes, back doors, alley-oops, and getting outlet passes on defensive rebounds/transition. Obviously its by design. You dont buy Seattle Slew and then stick him in a barn. I realize everybody in the NBA likes to shoot threes and guys are spreading the court, but you design an offense that exploits everyone's strengths too. That ain't what Obi's strength is. He plays above the rim and on the Autobahn.
Actually Seattle Slew was one of the greatest sires. So buying him(when he was alive) and sticking him in the barn with a good dam is exactly what you do.

Just sayin.
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Old 06-03-2021, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Smitty10 View Post
Actually Seattle Slew was one of the greatest sires. So buying him(when he was alive) and sticking him in the barn with a good dam is exactly what you do.

Just sayin.
you're talking post Triple Crown
pretty sure the person meant:
you don't buy Seattle Slew and not race
the horse...

Seattle Slew, was purchased for just
$17,500.. during practice runs, the
horse was found to fly like the wind..

none of the history making would of
been done had the horse been left in
the barn...http://www.espn.com/classic/biograph...%20%2417%2C500.
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Originally Posted by steverino015 View Post
you're talking post Triple Crown
pretty sure the person meant:
you don't buy Seattle Slew and not race
the horse...

Seattle Slew, was purchased for just
$17,500.. during practice runs, the
horse was found to fly like the wind..

none of the history making would of
been done had the horse been left in
the barn...http://www.espn.com/classic/biograph...%20%2417%2C500.
Yep, and it really shouldn't be that difficult to understand the comparison Chris was making.
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Yep, and it really shouldn't be that difficult to understand the comparison Chris was making.
Just sayin!!!! I found it ironic that he pulled a horse, a great horse and a great sire that was great in the barn, from the same era as Secretariat, who was lousy in the barn.
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Let's just sum it all up with the fact that Obi's talents are not being used by Tibs. And that the Knicks showed last nite that Tibs is not the great coach everyone seems to think he is. Defensive great? I don't think so. Offensive weak? That is the understatement of all time.

I was totally disgusted with the coaching last nite and how Obi was being used was the smallest part of it.
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Before we get too critical of Tibs, remember he got them to the playoffs. Step 1. His predecessors failed at that goal. Best Knicks team in a while.

The offense leaves a lot to be desired, but that might also be a function of the maturity of the players. How many times did they not pass to the open man?

The playoffs were a bust simply because of a very poor performance by Randle. I suspect he was tired from too many minutes. The other problem was Trae Young. Knicks had no answer for him. Talk about Obi defense, but there was no answer for Young by the guards. Young and Morant are two of the best young guards in the league.

Yes, Obi as a decoy in the corner seems like a waste of talent. Obi made improvements as the year progressed. Let’s see what happens during the off-season. I have a feeling his role might change next season.
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Was it Kenny? who did the half-time analysis of the Knick offense? He summed it up well. He ran video from the first half of Randle taking heavily contested, fade-away jumpers from 20 feet. Horrible shot selection. That is what the Knicks offense boils down to. They try to force too much through Randle, and he does not pass away from bad shots. The head coach ought to be all over that, but it is tolerated.

The Knicks have terrible motion and ball movement. They don't know how to work for good shots. Locking Obi in the corner, where he just stands around hoping for a pass is a symptom of a much larger problem in the horribly conceived Knicks offense.

If the UD Flyers made Obi stand in the corner for threes, he would have been an average player.

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right, the Knicks lost because of no offense
other than pass the ball into Randle, for
one on one and contested shots... passing
around for 3pters but no set plays in any
way, shape or form....

it wasn't just a bad performance from Randle,
it was a bad performance from all starters
not named Derrick Rose...

and then, at the same time, put a high flying
talent like Obi in the far corner for 3pters..
let him start the 4th quarter, they cut the lead
to single digits (9), then lets put him on the
bench... wonderful... horribly misused talent
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Imagine what it would look like having Obi on the court with Luka and the Mavs...
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Imagine what it would look like having Obi on the court with Luka and the Mavs...
Imagine playing with a real scorer who knows how to distribute the ball. The Knicks have neither.
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Imagine what it would look like having Obi on the court with Luka and the Mavs...
Or Young in Atlanta who can drive the lane and dish to guys jumping at the rim.

I didn’t see a lot of Knicks games this year, but when I did, it seems Obi is pretty good shooting 3s from out front and not so much from the corner. So if you need him to score 3s, why not play him out front and have him sets some screens and occasionally roll to the basket to keep defenses honest to open up his 3s.

I think Obi had a decent year considering what was ask of him. Certainly not great, but I’m sure he was professional, worked harder than any player on the team, was a great teammate, put effort into doing exactly what his coaches were asking him to do, and contributed when he could under the constraints and adjustments to the pro game. Super proud of how he carried himself. Better years will come. Better opportunities will come. And our guy will be ready.
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One basketball columnist said Obi was "disappointing." Another article had the Knicks packaging "young talent" including possibly Toppin in a trade package to move up and get a point guard. In the few Knick games I watched, I did not think that coaches were really bringing out his talent. The running and standing in a far corner was a waste of his talents.
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There's no doubt Obi has to improve on D. He got better throughout the year but definitely needs more. Offensively, the Knicks are just offensive. They are not set up to allow Obi to succeed in the way he plays. Thibs reminds me of many coaches who don't tailor their game plan to the talent they have, insisting on fitting square pegs into round holes. I think Obi can be successful in the NBA if he continues to work on his defense and his outside shooting, as well as getting stronger and working more post moves. But he'll likely not be successful if the game plan is to have him go hang out at the 3 point line on each possession.
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There's no doubt Obi has to improve on D. He got better throughout the year but definitely needs more. Offensively, the Knicks are just offensive. They are not set up to allow Obi to succeed in the way he plays. Thibs reminds me of many coaches who don't tailor their game plan to the talent they have, insisting on fitting square pegs into round holes. I think Obi can be successful in the NBA if he continues to work on his defense and his outside shooting, as well as getting stronger and working more post moves. But he'll likely not be successful if the game plan is to have him go hang out at the 3 point line on each possession.
I hope in 3-4 years from now we are all saying, “That time Obi spent with the Knicks really helped him get a good foundation on how to play defense in the NBA and helped make him the superstar we all knew he could be...”

I doubt Obi wasted this year. He’s always appeared to be a player that soaked up everything coaches were giving him. Maybe he gets traded and maybe he doesn’t. Being traded can be a great thing for a player. And I agree. If the Knicks offense is what it is....there is no reason to keep Obi. There are guys who can knock down a corner three at a higher percentage. Obi will get better at it, but i would think the Knicks want/need that guy now, and they are readily available.

The “funny” thing is Obi mostly subbed in for Randle and yet they didn’t really play the same position in the offense. Randle was out front. I found that very odd because if Obi would have “played the position Randle played” in the offense, I believe it would have given him a chance to use more of his skills.
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The Knicks are reportedly going hard after Portland's guard Damian Lillard in trade efforts. It will be interesting to see which young players the Knicks are willing to ship to the Great Northwest.

Funny read as it does not appear Elfrid Payton, Jr. will be resigning with the team:
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Coach T wins NBA Coach-of-the-Year. Not bad for someone who so many around here think is clueless.
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Obi makes every coach look good.

Figgie - any other player go from a college COY to a pro COY in consecutive years?
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Coach T wins NBA Coach-of-the-Year. Not bad for someone who so many around here think is clueless.
Well, winning coach of the year is based more on improvement from the previous year and not necessarily how good an offensive coach you might be.

Hitler was Time Magazine’s man of the year in 1938 - we all know how wrong that assessment was…
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Well, winning coach of the year is based more on improvement from the previous year and not necessarily how good an offensive coach you might be.

Hitler was Time Magazine’s man of the year in 1938 - we all know how wrong that assessment was…
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Although in defense of Time, and I don't defend them often, they didn't bestow that upon him as an honor but because he was the newsmaker who most influenced world events for better or worse. In Hitler's case for worse, much worse.
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Well, winning coach of the year is based more on improvement from the previous year and not necessarily how good an offensive coach you might be.

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You say that as if 'winning' is less important than scoring.
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You say that as if 'winning' is less important than scoring.

I think what some people are saying is think how much better the Knicks could be if Thibs knew his azz from a hole in the ground when it came to offense.
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I think what some people are saying is think how much better the Knicks could be if Thibs knew his azz from a hole in the ground when it came to offense.
Or, more likely, UD fans think Obi should have played 30 mpg. Reminds me of CYO moms...

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Tibs deserves coach of the year. The results prove that. He would not have been close if the Derrick Rose trade occurred. Rose changed the dynamic of the team.

Tibs got the team to the playoffs, but failed to advance.

I think it is OK for casual fans to criticize Tibs offense as the pick and roll play does not seem to exist in the playbook. Finishing second last in the league in assists shows the weakness of the offense. The one on one play with defense emphasis got them to the playoffs but no further. The Hawks showed how easy it was to shut it down in the playoffs.

I think it is silly to criticize fans who can obviously see an offense that lacks ball movement and the opportunity to play better team ball. Would Obi have gotten more playing time if the offense moved liked Grants? Maybe….

In the playoffs, Tibs seemed to give up on Randle at times and upped Obi’s playing time. Obi responded OK and had some moments, but he probably would not have changed the outcome.

Fans know that Obi can thrive in pick and roll big time. Why not try to use one of the most effective offensive plays in basketball? So, I can understand their frustration. With respect to the offense, I think many have a legitimate complaint.

With respect to getting to the playoffs for the first time in a while, I tip my hat to Tibs.
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he overused Randel to the point of being
nothing near what he was during the season..
and should of been giving more minutes to
Obi....

but, I am not a Knicks fan... I am an Obi fan
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The Hornets, Bulls and Raptors averaged 7 ppg more than the Knicks and didn't make the playoffs. The Pacers - who fired their 1st year coach today - averaged 11 ppg more than the Knicks and didn't make the playoffs.

Maybe they all need a more defensive-minded coach because, obviously, defense matters.

FWIW, every NBA player is an offensive stud so scoring more per game isn't that tough of a proposition if you just unleash them and hope to outscore you opponent. I'm glad that Tibs emphasizes defense. With a little work and time, Obi will be a free agent who will command alot of money...but only if he plays defense, too.
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Good article analyzing each rookie's season
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Defense is very, very important.

There are lots of very good players on winning teams who give up lots of points. NBA games are not in the low 50 point range like a number of A10 games.

Last, Anthony Davis scored 42 points one game against the NBA defensive player of the year Rudy Gobert. I see lots of great defenders burned constantly.

Last night Clippers scored 131 points without their best player!

I've seen lots of weak defensive plays on NBA courts and I think other NBA players might be given the hall pass that Obi did not receive.

Again, great, great credit to Tibs, because defense, Randle and Rose made the Knicks their best season in years. Tibs emphasis on defense was very good for Obi. Tibs lack of pick and roll in the offense was very bad for Obi.

One of Obi's challenge is he is a bit of a tweener. Not enough bulk to handle the 7 footers wide bodies and not quick enough to guard the speedy players.

Obi is one of the hardest workers you will ever see. I guarantee there will be improvement across the board by Obi next year. He will take the tough love from the coach and use it well.
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Defense is very, very important.

There are lots of very good players on winning teams who give up lots of points. NBA games are not in the low 50 point range like a number of A10 games.

Last, Anthony Davis scored 42 points one game against the NBA defensive player of the year Rudy Gobert. I see lots of great defenders burned constantly.

Last night Clippers scored 131 points without their best player!

I've seen lots of weak defensive plays on NBA courts and I think other NBA players might be given the hall pass that Obi did not receive.

Again, great, great credit to Tibs, because defense, Randle and Rose made the Knicks their best season in years. Tibs emphasis on defense was very good for Obi. Tibs lack of pick and roll in the offense was very bad for Obi.

One of Obi's challenge is he is a bit of a tweener. Not enough bulk to handle the 7 footers wide bodies and not quick enough to guard the speedy players.

Obi is one of the hardest workers you will ever see. I guarantee there will be improvement across the board by Obi next year. He will take the tough love from the coach and use it well.

I would change that to read "lack of an offense."
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So the NYK are gonna sign 4 time All Star PG Kemba Walker who bought out his contract with OKC:

https://theknickswall.com/report-kni...-kemba-walker/

The Knicks go from Eifred Payton to Kemba--yeah, that is a definite upgrade. Only downside for Obi is that KW is not exactly a "pass-first" PG.
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The Knicks had an "interesting" offseason (I guess its not done yet). They essentially spent a whole lot of money to bring back a lot of the same players as last year, added an OK acquistion from Boston for probably too much money and are going to rely on Kemba Walker getting healthy, and staying healthy. Seems like a team that will be about the same as last year, solid defensively and a lot of heart during the season that will put them in the playoffs, but once those begin searching for offensive answers and bowing out in the 1st round.


All that after trading back in the draft for future draft picks.


The good news for Obi, aside from the fact that Julius Randle still seems poised to take the bulk of the minutes at his spot, is that none of the draft additions nor free agent/resigning additions would lessen the role he had last year. Hopefully he can take the lessons learned and carve out a bigger role on the team.
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I kind of dig the strategy. Don't upset the apple cart just because you didn't get out of the first round. Build on what you have. Rose is great but he is aging. Kemba is kind of the same as Rose. A beast when healthy but aging and injury prone. Having two of them is better than one. Quick was a total steal last year and allowing him to learn from these two is priceless.

They took swings on some picks, maybe one or two will pan out.

The main thing for Obi is what it has always been: will he see time alongside Randle? If Thibs can get it through his skull to play Obi a few minutes at the 5 alongside Randle per game everything improves for both Obi and the Knicks.
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As expected, the Knicks extended Randle to a 4 year deal.
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So the NYK are gonna sign 4 time All Star PG Kemba Walker who bought out his contract with OKC:

https://theknickswall.com/report-kni...-kemba-walker/

The Knicks go from Eifred Payton to Kemba--yeah, that is a definite upgrade. Only downside for Obi is that KW is not exactly a "pass-first" PG.
In the limited NBA games (actually portions of ... never a complete game) I see maybe one pass (on occasion) and then everyone clears out and then the player with the ball does 1 of 2 things, SHOOT or DRIVE. Passing around the perimeter is a foreign strategy in the NBA.

Besides how do you make the next contract deal worth mega-millions if you pass the ball to someone else to get their stats needed for their next meg-millions deal?
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In the limited NBA games (actually portions of ... never a complete game) I see maybe one pass (on occasion) and then everyone clears out and then the player with the ball does 1 of 2 things, SHOOT or DRIVE. Passing around the perimeter is a foreign strategy in the NBA.

Besides how do you make the next contract deal worth mega-millions if you pass the ball to someone else to get their stats needed for their next meg-millions deal?
Watch the Utah Jazz. They pass the ball around a lot, especially compared to the Knicks. There a franchises that play team ball much better than the Knicks. The Knicks made the playoffs despite their offense.
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Well, AG runs a pro style offense predicated on ball movement. When we made out big run, there were some who said we had the most pro style offense in college ball. The major difference between UD and the rest: ball and player movement.
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From Marc Berman’s article on the new look Knicks:

PF Obi Toppin: Leon Rose’s 2020 lottery pick had a disappointing rookie season, playing limited minutes behind Randle. He showed potential as an athletic big man who can lift the team with acrobatic dunks, but his basketball IQ on defense is a concern.
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Toppin leads all scorers in defeat to the Raptors during Knickerbockers first 2021 NBA Summer League game. He put up an efficient 24 points:

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In the limited NBA games (actually portions of ... never a complete game) I see maybe one pass (on occasion) and then everyone clears out and then the player with the ball does 1 of 2 things, SHOOT or DRIVE. Passing around the perimeter is a foreign strategy in the NBA.

Besides how do you make the next contract deal worth mega-millions if you pass the ball to someone else to get their stats needed for their next meg-millions deal?
Before you stereotype all NBA teams and players, consider ... Re: style of play, yes, there are teams that run a ton of isolation. As others have mentioned, that's not the whole league. If you'd like, watch this 20-minute video of fantastic ball movement from the 2019-20 NBA season (I don't know if they've made a similar video yet for 20-21).
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Also, re: contracts and millions, I don't know how these players can win in public opinion. People say they're only about the money. So if they sign with the team that offers them the most money, they're greedy. But then if they sign with a team because they want to win a title, they're "killing the game by making super-teams." Read about Jae Crowder of the Suns. Why was he one of the league's most coveted free agents? Because he was the team's fifth-leading scorer? No. Because, "he can adapt and fit into whatever role he needs to be for the team to win.”
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I'm not sure I would have called it "efficient". He shot 10-21 (which includes 2-10 from 3).

This is a big stretch of games for him. He has a coach who likes to ride his starters and a starter in front of him who just made the all-star team and signed a 4 year extension. There is not a clear role for Obi on this team.

Add to that, they just drafted another PF who had a strong debut (12 points on 6-6 shooting and matched Obi's rebounds in fewer minutes)

I've never been a fan of the Knicks, but I really want it to work for Obi there. You could see how special it was to him to go to the Knicks. I just don't see the path to success for him there.
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I'm not sure I would have called it "efficient". He shot 10-21 (which includes 2-10 from 3).

This is a big stretch of games for him. He has a coach who likes to ride his starters and a starter in front of him who just made the all-star team and signed a 4 year extension. There is not a clear role for Obi on this team.

Add to that, they just drafted another PF who had a strong debut (12 points on 6-6 shooting and matched Obi's rebounds in fewer minutes)

I've never been a fan of the Knicks, but I really want it to work for Obi there. You could see how special it was to him to go to the Knicks. I just don't see the path to success for him there.
Sims is not in competition with Obi as he is strictly an inside player. Obi is playing a stretch 4 position. I do agree that the Randle extension makes things interesting. Will the Knicks rest Randle more? He clearly wore down in the playoffs and Obi picked up his game in the playoffs.
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Sims is not in competition with Obi as he is strictly an inside player. Obi is playing a stretch 4 position. I do agree that the Randle extension makes things interesting. Will the Knicks rest Randle more? He clearly wore down in the playoffs and Obi picked up his game in the playoffs.
They are different types of players, for sure, but competition nonetheless. They both play the same position and I'm not sure either has the skillset to play anywhere other than the 4 right now.

The most likely scenario is that Sims hardly sees the floor this year. But if he does, it will eat into Obi or Randle's minutes.
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They are different types of players, for sure, but competition nonetheless. They both play the same position and I'm not sure either has the skillset to play anywhere other than the 4 right now.

The most likely scenario is that Sims hardly sees the floor this year. But if he does, it will eat into Obi or Randle's minutes.
Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree as Sims is most likely to spell Robinson or Noel at the 5.
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Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree as Sims is most likely to spell Robinson or Noel at the 5.
In your defense - the Knicks list him as a center on their roster. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Randle is the bigger issue for Obi anyway, I just want to see Obi light up the Summer League.
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Agree that it is going to be hard to keep Sims on the bench. I know Coach Tibs likes the veterans, so this will be absolutely fascinating to watch how he handles Sims compared to Obi last year.

Personally, I think the Knicks struck gold with Sims. Will have to see if they want to sit on extra talent in front court to safeguard against injuries. Or if they want to try to turn some of that talent to upgrading perimeter scoring. My gut tells me Obi plays a lot during summer league trying to raise his trade value. But then again, it's the Knicks. So who knows...
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Also, re: contracts and millions, I don't know how these players can win in public opinion. People say they're only about the money. So if they sign with the team that offers them the most money, they're greedy. But then if they sign with a team because they want to win a title, they're "killing the game by making super-teams." Read about Jae Crowder of the Suns. Why was he one of the league's most coveted free agents? Because he was the team's fifth-leading scorer? No. Because, "he can adapt and fit into whatever role he needs to be for the team to win.”
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Keep a match away from that much straw. The only choices are being all about the money or going to a super-team? Just 2? No more?

How about:
3. A place that has other players who give you the best chance for your skills to shine.
4. A place that is fun.
5. A place where management has made it clear they respect you personally.
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7. A place where you've put down roots and the community responds to you.
8. A community that shares your values.

Your example proves the point! You only list "for the $$" or "for the rings". And that's what so many players have been accused of. Crowder was "coveted" because he got a rare thing: he's NOT selfish. Imagine a world where that was normal.

And before you ask, yes, I have changed jobs and taken less money for other quality of life items I valued more. Proximity to family, community, culture of the company all played into the decision. Money did not.
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Of course dollars/wins isn't the only decision. I made that point in response to the previous poster saying all the players choose bad basketball to make more money. The factors you correctly list, and many more, go into players' decisions. But re: your claim that Crowder's unselfishness is rare ... objection: facts not in evidence. Please revisit Exhibit 1 above, the 20-minute video of hundreds of wonderful passes. :-)
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Of course dollars/wins isn't the only decision. I made that point in response to the previous poster saying all the players choose bad basketball to make more money. The factors you correctly list, and many more, go into players' decisions. But re: your claim that Crowder's unselfishness is rare ... objection: facts not in evidence. Please revisit Exhibit 1 above, the 20-minute video of hundreds of wonderful passes. :-)

Charles Barkley retired with 4,215 assists. So, I guess that invalidates all counter arguments that NBA players are selfish.

In other words, a 20 minute highlight reel of out of 82 games x 48 minutes per game = 3,936 ==> 0.005 of game play (excluding playoffs and overtime) "doesn't make a trend". It stands out for it's rarity. There are more dunks per game (~7) than examples unselfish ball movement.
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Sigh ... yes, I'm sure that video is the definitive compendium of every single unselfish play all year, and therefore your equation is correct. /s
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Obi and Quickley are quite the pair for a summer team. I don't think a lot of teams have that kind of firepower on their summer teams (at least not the teams I've watched).

Idk if there is a honors at the end or what but they could both be 1st team.
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Remember they are doing this against good players that aren't good enough to make an NBA roster. I looked at the box score and Obi was 6 of 17 from the field. He needs to be better than that.
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Remember they are doing this against good players that aren't good enough to make an NBA roster. I looked at the box score and Obi was 6 of 17 from the field. He needs to be better than that.

IDK, I'm just glad he took 17 shots. It seems to me the NBA values volume shooters for a reason I can't understand.
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Remember they are doing this against good players that aren't good enough to make an NBA roster. I looked at the box score and Obi was 6 of 17 from the field. He needs to be better than that.
Correct and this is mostly why most NBA folks discount the stats from Summer League Ball. On the flip side Obi appears to be doing exactly what the team has asked of he. It will be interesting to see if Obi plays in the remaining games as usually at this point in summer league the teams start pulling the players they are satisfied with, but with not having a lookie at summer last year who knows?
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Obi and Quickley are quite the pair for a summer team. I don't think a lot of teams have that kind of firepower on their summer teams (at least not the teams I've watched).

Idk if there is a honors at the end or what but they could both be 1st team.
Indeed Quickley and Obi have a great rapport. Quick was quoted in the a as saying he and Obi during this summer league season have taken the younger team members under their wings.
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Monster dunk by Obi in the first half. He played really well, but missed a couple threes.

Most impressive on defense, multiple blocks, a steal and several other plays impacted.
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Remember they are doing this against good players that aren't good enough to make an NBA roster. I looked at the box score and Obi was 6 of 17 from the field. He needs to be better than that.
how about the very next game for better?

31pts, 9 rebs, 13 for 20, 3 steals 2 blocks...
led the team in points, rebounds steals and
blocks....

that's better...)https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-leag...mmer-las-vegas
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