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Old 07-29-2021, 09:58 AM
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Its 9:35 am, and I haven't touched a sip of Bird Dog, Vodka Bombs or any other mind altering substance in the last 24+ hours. I type this with a clear mind....


College allegiances have drastically shifted in the past decade plus. The information age has transformed the way we work and play, while simultaneously the improvements in travel has made getting from point A to point B easier, and quicker than ever. So with that in mind, why do we need a conference to be a "be all" for all aspects collegiality? I don't follow college hockey, but I do know that conference wise, they are very different. B10 hockey is the only the resembles major conferences in other sports in that it has 6 B10 members plus Notre Dame. So for Big 10 hockey, less than half of the football playing institutions field hockey teams. Other collegiate hockey conferences are made up of teams spread across multiple conferences in either football or basketball. Miami (oh) for instance is in a conference with Denver, Omaha and North Dakota. UConn and Umass reside in a conference with Boston U, Boston College, Maine and Vermont.


Point being, in collegiate hockey, they have figured out the best way to group together schools with varying interest in other sports or academics but similar interest in hockey. Why can't the same be applied to football, baseball, basketball, tennis, track, etc... Taking it a step further, why can't the Big 10 Academic Alliance maintain what is in their best interest while Ohio State and Michigan seek out their best interest in football and perhaps Illinois and Purdue seek out something different in basketball?


Why tie part of your fortunes and future with teams that made sense 100 years ago. Are the goals of Minnesota football similar to what they were in the 30s and early 40s when they won national titles? While the goals at Michigan are likely similar to the goals at Ohio State, have the results from the Michigan football program in the last 50 years, been anywhere close to the results from the 50 years prior (that would be no)?


Connecting this to UD, Dayton and Penn State have very different goals and aspirations in collegiate football, but also very different goals and aspirations in college basketball. Same story at Gonzaga, yet UD and Gonzaga will never been in the same conference as Penn State the way things are currently constructed.


So Ohio State to the SEC will likely never happen, however Ohio State playing in the same conference as Alabama, Florida, Texas, OU & LSU makes a ton of sense.
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:51 AM
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In today's context, conference groupings are critical in creating income from media rights. The conference networks are paying huge sums of money to their members. The more eyes on those networks drives up the dividends (money's paid to members). The networks need to provide as much original content as possible to collect the most eyes. Look at the Big 10 content throughout the year. Hockey and lacrosse have provided a lot of content. It's not just coincidental that the Big 10 is now a power conference in both. Building conference loyalty and stability adds to their viewership. While Big 10 hockey and lacrosse have teams that are not Big 10 members in other sports, the huge core is. Of course, the network and Notre Dame benefit from it being a hockey conference member. The same exists for Arizona State playing in the Big 10 last year. John's Hopkins in lacrosse and Notre Dame in hockey make the Big 10 a stronger conference in those sports as well. A stronger conference benefits all of the teams, and viewership rises. The bottom line is that the Big 10 is enriched by a strong conference identity.
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More likely scenario?

It seems possible that an outcome of the formation of one or more FB-driven mega-conferences is that the one non-FB premier basketball conference, the Big East, may be forced to do something it would rather not do.

For example, scheduling power-school /conference opponents may become even more difficult than it is now. And/or BE TV sponsors may make demands requiring scheduling significantly more conference games.

Possible bottom line: To continue playing at a level with the big boys the Big East may have no choice other than to become the mega-non-FB BB conference requiring expansion to 16 teams, for example....top teams/programs that are recognized as such.

There aren't many programs that fit that description. Dayton is one. If forced BE expansion involves only one or two schools we're probably out of luck. If expansion requires 4-5-6 schools we'd probably be in good shape.

This development could be dicey for us...good or bad.
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Old 07-29-2021, 12:10 PM
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If the Big East picked up UD, SLU, and VCU, who would be the other 2 schools it would grab to get to 16? I can't figure it out off the cuff.
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If Big East wants to go to a Mega conference... travel considerations go out the window, and they go after Gonzaga 1st?
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WSU (no, not the one 15 min away from UD)


Charlotte or Davidson to expand out to North Carolina?
Richmond to get the rivalry/TV ratings?
UMass?
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If the Big East picked up UD, SLU, and VCU, who would be the other 2 schools it would grab to get to 16? I can't figure it out off the cuff.
I would target Wichita State. I think they would love to get back into a basketball centered conference and be happy to not have to worry about the future of the AAC. It would give SLU and Creighton another team close by to help with travel. I would even do this if I was the A10 to help try and stop UD, VCU, and SLU from leaving.

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The Gonzaga idea is interesting. I just read an article from 2019 about Big East expansion. They named the top 5 potential candidates: 5 - BYU, 4 - VCU, 3 - St. Louis, 2 - UD, and 1 - Gonzaga. If you replace BYU with WSU, that would be an outstanding basketball conference.
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At some point in this thread I believe there was some banter about UConn football. One or two people even tried to compare them to Memphis which made me about fall off my chair. To highlight just how far UConn football has fallen, feat your eyes on this line for the Fresno State game on 8/28. Bulldogs -27.5.
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Big 10 isn't saying anything. Of course they will field calls from all the teams still stuck in the Big 12.

But the Big 10 must be trying to steal a couple of teams from the ACC, right? Why take two schools desperate to get off a sinking ship, when you can get two schools the other conferences actually want? And if the Big 10 can steal two teams from the ACC wouldn't that improve the Big 10 while weakening the ACC?

The Big 10 pays its member schools the most right now. A considerable amount more than ACC pays its member schools. I wouldn't be shocked if the Big 10 offered to Virginia and UNC. The Big 10 already got Maryland. I think the thought of joining Maryland could convince Virginia to move into the Big Ten. But UNC would be the real get. They have a stronger national brand. And North Carolina (specifically Raleigh) would be a new media market. Getting UNC also means removing them from their Duke conference rivalry. The timing might be right. Virginia has become a basketball power and Duke's Coach K is retiring. What better a moment for UNC to move on?
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Big 10 isn't saying anything. Of course they will field calls from all the teams still stuck in the Big 12.

But the Big 10 must be trying to steal a couple of teams from the ACC, right? Why take two schools desperate to get off a sinking ship, when you can get two schools the other conferences actually want? And if the Big 10 can steal two teams from the ACC wouldn't that improve the Big 10 while weakening the ACC?

The Big 10 pays its member schools the most right now. A considerable amount more than ACC pays its member schools. I wouldn't be shocked if the Big 10 offered to Virginia and UNC. The Big 10 already got Maryland. I think the thought of joining Maryland could convince Virginia to move into the Big Ten. But UNC would be the real get. They have a stronger national brand. And North Carolina (specifically Raleigh) would be a new media market. Getting UNC also means removing them from their Duke conference rivalry. The timing might be right. Virginia has become a basketball power and Duke's Coach K is retiring. What better a moment for UNC to move on?
Maybe UVA, but no way is UNC going anywhere. If you thought the statue teardown protests were bad, the UNC to another league would overshadow it. They are going to give up playing Duke and NC State twice to play the likes of Northwestern and Nebraska?

For Big Tenners, who overrate their league, it may be about money, but for Duke and NC it is about tradition.
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Here we go with talk of an alliance of ACC, PAC and B10.

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Big 12 after three AAC schools, UCF, UC, and Houston. Things could get interesting. Will we be happy in the A-10 or will we look for opportunities?
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If the AAC lost UCF, UC & Houston (BYU is the rumored 4th school) I'm not quite sure what would be so appealing about the AAC to UD or anyone in the A10. You would have Memphis, Witchita St and Temple as traditionally strong programs and not much else. Plus you have to figure that at least Memphis is in the conversation and trying to angle their way into the b12 as well (perhaps at the expense of Houston, but that doesn't really change the dynamics).


How do the other teams in the AAC respond? Do they dip into CUSA? If so, whom? Marshall, western Kentucky? What about the Mountain West, do they raid some of the remaining AAC teams? Does the MAC keep chugging along, or at some point does it all get to be too much? who do each of these conferences handle a potential ACC, B10, P12 scheduling alliance that severally cuts down the buy games these conferences traditionally pay to the MAC, CUSA and ACC programs?


Seems like UD has 3 options.


1) hope the Big East decides to expand to 12-16 teams and UD is one of the invitees
2) form a new conference that is basketball centric and focuses on like minded, non Big East teams, possibly expanding coast to coast in some formation. Wichita St, St Louis, VCU, St Mary's, Gonzaga, etc....
3) keep chugging along in the A10 and possibly add a team to the mix, like Wichita State.


#3 seems like the most likely, by far option as well as the simplest. The AAC always appealed to me but only if you knew for certain that it wasn't going to lose key members. That always seemed unlikely over the long haul, but it appears that the process is speeding up quicker than I could have imagined just 3 years ago.
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Big 12 after three AAC schools, UCF, UC, and Houston. Things could get interesting. Will we be happy in the A-10 or will we look for opportunities?
UC will be out the door of the AAC before the ink is dry on their signed agreement to join the Big 12.

UC has been absolutely desperate for years to join the Big 12 or ACC, and they have been very public about their feelings.

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If the AAC lost UCF, UC & Houston (BYU is the rumored 4th school) I'm not quite sure what would be so appealing about the AAC to UD or anyone in the A10.
If the AAC loses just UC, Houston, and UCF, the new AAC will be maybe slightly stronger than the A10, but I am not sure all of the uncertainty surrounding the new AAC would be worth it in terms of UD making the switch.

New AAC good/decent teams: Memphis, Temple, Wichita State
New AAC just ok teams: SMU, Tulsa, South Florida

A10 good teams: Dayton, Davidson, VCU, maybe SLU, maybe RI, maybe Richmond
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AAC would be in a bind for football, not sure they would want any more basketball only schools. As things stand right now, assuming the three schools leave, I think standing pat has advantages. I'm sure the admin has all sorts of possibilities researched.
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I think that that University of Dayton would fit nicely into the AAC conference.
The University of Dayton was founded in 1850, has a total enrollment of 11,677 and has an endowment of $609.7 million.
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I think that that University of Dayton would fit nicely into the AAC conference.
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As Medford mentioned, Memphis will be looking for a way out if UC, Houston, and UCF leave, I am sure Memphis was already looking for a way out even with those 3.

SMU, USF, and Tulsa will also be looking for a way out.

Wichita State will probably want out also. Temple's basketball program would also be unhappy.

ECU and Tulane, the only other 2 teams, might even want out.

SMU, USF, Tulsa, ECU, Temple, Memphis and Tulane are probably all stuck though. Wichita could move elsewhere.

Too much uncertainty, not a good move at this point IMO. I previously thought moving to the AAC was a good move, but that was only if nobody left.

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I have not really paid close attention to this, but the TV stations in Cincinnati sort of seem to be talking about UC to the Big 12 like it is already a done deal, and the actual formal announcement is just a mere formality.
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The American without UConn is still better than the A10.

The American without UConn, UCF, Houston and Cincinnati? I'm not so sure about that. We might be better off going after Wichita State with the promise of a more stable basketball-centric environment.
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AAC commissioner Mike Aresco sounds depressed/stressed out/sounds like he has no idea what is happening. A short listen, only 1 minute and 46 seconds long.

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AAC commissioner Mike Aresco sounds depressed/stressed out/sounds like he has no idea what is happening. A short listen, only 1 minute and 46 seconds long.

https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32134203
Funny how he starts by acting defensive about the lies of ESPN and the rest of the media and then at :55 proceeds to tell a big fat lie himself!

"We're trying to strengthen and fortify our conference in any way we can . . . "

The American's last addition was a school that doesn't even play football. The last football team they added was in 2015. At the end of the video he even has the gall to call the conference STABLE. If every single day there is a new rumor about 3-5 of your members getting poached you are the opposite of stable sir.

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While getting the four new teams will refill the cupboard, it doesn't do a lot on the level of competition scale.
There will be a gap between the B12 and the rest of the power five. Best alternative available but the B12 sure is taking a hit. It is an opportunity for the four schools however.
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Not sure what happened to Boise State, tv market might be too small, strong football team though, basketball team is fairly good too. Not too far from BYU.
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Football scheduling will be easier for BYU since they will no longer be an independent.

WCC down to 9 teams after BYU leaves, I wonder if they might be interested in Wichita State.

Seems like Wichita is far from both the WCC and A10 schools.

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Instagram is reporting this switch of four teams as a possibility. I donít know why but I trust Instagram more than Twitter.
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Seems like much more than a possibility IMO, by all appearances this is a done deal.

ESPN is reporting that UC, UCF, BYU, and Houston will submit their Big 12 membership applications next week and could be approved for membership as early as September 10, less than a week from now.
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Funny how he starts by acting defensive about the lies of ESPN and the rest of the media and then at :55 proceeds to tell a big fat lie himself!

"We're trying to strengthen and fortify our conference in any way we can . . . "

The American's last addition was a school that doesn't even play football. The last football team they added was in 2015. At the end of the video he even has the gall to call the conference STABLE. If every single day there is a new rumor about 3-5 of your members getting poached you are the opposite of stable sir.
There wasn't anything he could do to stop this, there was nobody left to poach.

Maybe he approached BYU, and they turned him down.

He/the AAC did go after Boise State twice apparently, it didn't work out.

I don’t see anybody else worth adding.


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Sounds like BYU was never interested in joining the AAC. Aresco did all he could for the AAC, the AAC was just a victim of poaching.

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There wasn't anything he could do to stop this, there was nobody left to poach.

Maybe he approached BYU, and they turned him down.

He/the AAC did go after Boise State twice apparently, it didn't work out.

I donít see anybody else worth adding.


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Boise State, San Diego State (these additions would entice BYU), App. St., Army, Coastal, Louisiana, Marshall. I could go on and on. Before you say the first two are crazy this literally already happened once. You could easily have a Western division of the AAC. I have explained this in depth many times in other threads. You think Boise wouldn't leave the Mountain West? They just got left out of realignment AGAIN!

And you're missing the point entirely. To fortify you have to add teams. So that when you are poached you aren't scrambling and giving embarrassing interviews like that. You just keep chugging along. They haven't added a football school in 6 years, despite many programs around them attaining high levels of repeatable success in their backyards and out West. You have to be forward thinking and creative. Add more basketball teams to become truly dominant in that sport. Imagine Don Draper running the AAC. He would've made the moves I'm talking about years ago. I know that sounds silly referring to a TV character but if you've seen the show and understand the character you know what I mean.
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I doubt that adding a bunch of so called mid-major basketball teams, save the Zags, would make the AAC anything close to dominate.
Should that occur however, I would think, Gonzaga and UD would be amoung the first considered. Whether the Flyers would consider such a move in an open question.
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I doubt that adding a bunch of so called mid-major basketball teams, save the Zags, would make the AAC anything close to dominate.
Should that occur however, I would think, Gonzaga and UD would be amoung the first considered. Whether the Flyers would consider such a move in an open question.
Yes but now it is too late. Thank you for hammering my point home even harder. UD/VCU/Gonzaga, etc. why would any of them join the AAC now?
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[QUOTE=hawkoooo;668063]Yes but now it is too late. Thank you for hammering my point home even harder. UD/VCU/Gonzaga, etc. why would any of them join the AAC now?[/QUOTE

I agree, I don't think we would go, but I've been wrong before
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Boise State, San Diego State (these additions would entice BYU), App. St., Army, Coastal, Louisiana, Marshall. I could go on and on. Before you say the first two are crazy this literally already happened once. You could easily have a Western division of the AAC. I have explained this in depth many times in other threads. You think Boise wouldn't leave the Mountain West? They just got left out of realignment AGAIN!

And you're missing the point entirely. To fortify you have to add teams. So that when you are poached you aren't scrambling and giving embarrassing interviews like that. You just keep chugging along. They haven't added a football school in 6 years, despite many programs around them attaining high levels of repeatable success in their backyards and out West. You have to be forward thinking and creative. Add more basketball teams to become truly dominant in that sport. Imagine Don Draper running the AAC. He would've made the moves I'm talking about years ago. I know that sounds silly referring to a TV character but if you've seen the show and understand the character you know what I mean.
Agree to disagree, none of that was going to entice BYU IMO.

The AAC needed to add some more new, good football schools to entice BYU, none existed imo other than Boise State, which did not work out.

Aresco allegedly tried to poach some of the non-University of Texas and non-University of Oklahoma Big 12 schools, none apparently were interested. The B12 commish complained about that attempted poaching.

BYU and the MW I guess were not getting along, that was why BYU left the MW and went independent in football only. I looked at the BYU football schedule this year, it is arguably better now as an independent than it would be had BYU joined the AAC.

There was nothing Aresco could do, the AAC was doomed once Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC.

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And it can be argued that BYU was better off being an independent in football than being in the MW, there are no good MW football schools other than Boise State.

It was going to take a clear upgrade, which the B12 probably is, in order to entice BYU. At the very least, BYU joining the B12 vs. BYU staying independent is probably a wash, and football scheduling for BYU will be much easier now.

BYU football schedule this year:

At Arizona
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And it can be argued that BYU was better off being an independent in football than being in the MW, there are no good MW football schools other than Boise State.

It was going to take a clear upgrade, which the B12 probably is, in order to entice BYU. At the very least, BYU joining the B12 vs. BYU staying independent is probably a wash, and football scheduling for BYU will be much easier now.

BYU football schedule this year:

At Arizona
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At Utah State
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At Washington State
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BYU goes Independent, plays a much tougher schedule, AND still gets to play the only other good conference foe. Wow.
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As a NJ resident and taxpayer I can't say I'm happy about how my tax dollars are being spent down at "The Banks of the Old Raritan." All that glitters is not gold. A somewhat lengthy read but worth the time. I wonder how many other schools are in the same boat?

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As a NJ resident and taxpayer I can't say I'm happy about how my tax dollars are being spent down at "The Banks of the Old Raritan." All that glitters is not gold. A somewhat lengthy read but worth the time. I wonder how many other schools are in the same boat?

https://www.njherald.com/in-depth/ne...en/8047865002/
I did not read your link, but at the time, I read that it was either Maryland or Rutgers or both whose athletic departments were heavily in debt, and the Big Ten invitation was joyously accepted as a sort of bailout in the form of getting their share of league revenue, maybe things didn't work out that way.
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I still think this could impact UD and the A10.

The American will obviously need to backfill for football but will likely want to enhance basketball as well for two reasons:

1. They lost UConn, Cinci, and Houston. All valuable basketball pieces.

2. The football additions they make may not have the most quality basketball programs so they could be taking an even further step back by adding those schools for all sports.

Will they be able to rebuild with enough quality to entice A10 schools like Dayton and VCU? Who would you add right now if you were the AAC?
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As a NJ resident, I have no connection with Rutgers except for driving through the campus many times over 50 years when in New Brunswick.

I have always felt Rutgers is an odd situation. It's there but the NJ college footgall fan does not get behind it. Years ago Miami was playing at Rutgers and there were tickets available. No one wanted to go although the #1 team in the nation was playing less than one hour away.

There is a sizable group within the Rutgers educational staff that has always wanted Rutgers to de-emphasize football down to a lesser conference. During Sciano's first tenure there were always complaints about he being the highest paid public official in NJ, his real estate perks and other things. Now with his return, Rutgers at Sciano's request has spent millions on football and is in heavy debt relying on taxpayer money. But it still looks like Rutgers will struggle to get 6 wins to make it bowl eligible.

I thought that the purpose of bringing Rutgers into the Big 10 was to give the Big 10 a NYC metro presence. Great for the Big 10. Much like I thought Fordham was to give the A10 a NYC presence. However, in doing so, the Big 10 and for quite a while only gives Rutgers the smallest piece of Big 10 money pie requiring Rutgers to spend its own and taxpayer money.
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The biggest draws (for Dayton) to go to the AAC were Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Houston, and Temple. Wichita State was in that mix while Gregg Marshall still coached there. Three of the five are (probably) out and the other two must certainly be looking although their options are slim. Why in the hell would Dayton be interested in moving now? To join SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, and USF?
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The biggest draws (for Dayton) to go to the AAC were Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Houston, and Temple. Wichita State was in that mix while Gregg Marshall still coached there. Three of the five are (probably) out and the other two must certainly be looking although their options are slim. Why in the hell would Dayton be interested in moving now? To join SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, and USF?
People used to post all the time that we were joined at the hip with x when all this realignment first started and we see how that worked out. I do think now it is reasonable to evaluate a UD AAC affiliation to occur with more than just UD in the mix. If some combination of UD, VCU, SLU, URI and others moved together the move would make much more sense.
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I am proposing that the Big East and A10 form an alliance. Every year the bottom team in the Big East gets relegated and the regular season winner from the A10 gets promoted into the Big East. Boom. Done. We're in the Big East and never look back. Who do I need to call to make it happen?
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I'm thinking Neil should channel his inner "Andy Dufresne"... and send a daily communication to the Big East commissioner regarding a new basketball super conference for non-D1 football schools.
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I was all in on the AAC as long as Cincy, Memphis, etc. were there. Now, I am not on board. By the way, television wise, the TV deals are just about as good. Remember, we would not get the football television money. I also feel like our university will take a look at the remaining programs in the American, and say, they definitely are not peer institutions.
Wichita State joining the Atlantic 10 could make things really interesting. To sweeten the deal for Wichita State, and to assist everybody on travel for non-revenue generating sports, three pods of five teams Could be developed.
South coast: Davidson, George Mason, George Washington, Richmond, VCU.
North coast: fordham, LaSalle, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Saint Joseph
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Dayton, Duquesne, Saint Bonaventure, St. Louis, Wichita State.
In terms of basketball specifically, you will have to eventually have a 20 game conference schedule like everybody else anyway, so, eight games will be against your fellow pod, you get everybody else home and home, and then the last two games would be against The same ranked team in the other two pods. Example, if Dayton was second in our pod, we would then play the second-place team in the other two pods. This way, those who are on the bubble, have a shot at higher net rankings. Covid has taught us travel plans can change/be made quickly, so, the excuse of, well we need time to prepare to get everything together, would not be valid.
Of course, if the Big East expands to 16 teams, I would much rather do that!
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I was all in on the AAC as long as Cincy, Memphis, etc. were there. Now, I am not on board. By the way, television wise, the TV deals are just about as good. Remember, we would not get the football television money. I also feel like our university will take a look at the remaining programs in the American, and say, they definitely are not peer institutions.
Wichita State joining the Atlantic 10 could make things really interesting. To sweeten the deal for Wichita State, and to assist everybody on travel for non-revenue generating sports, three pods of five teams Could be developed.
South coast: Davidson, George Mason, George Washington, Richmond, VCU.
North coast: fordham, LaSalle, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Saint Joseph
Western:
Dayton, Duquesne, Saint Bonaventure, St. Louis, Wichita State.
In terms of basketball specifically, you will have to eventually have a 20 game conference schedule like everybody else anyway, so, eight games will be against your fellow pod, you get everybody else home and home, and then the last two games would be against The same ranked team in the other two pods. Example, if Dayton was second in our pod, we would then play the second-place team in the other two pods. This way, those who are on the bubble, have a shot at higher net rankings. Covid has taught us travel plans can change/be made quickly, so, the excuse of, well we need time to prepare to get everything together, would not be valid.
Of course, if the Big East expands to 16 teams, I would much rather do that!
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I like the thought process! If weíre going to make some changes Iíd suggest a couple more changes: Kick out Fordham, move St. Bona to the north division and add Loyola Chicago (or Belmont) to the West division.
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I thought at one time that a hybrid A10 AAC merge could have been wildly successful.

AAC East
UConn*
Temple*
Cincinnati*
UMass
URI
Dayton
VCU
ECU* (yuck, but they have to go somewhere)
Bona or Duquesne

AAC West
Tulane*
Tulsa*
Wichita State
SMU*
Houston*
Memphis*
USF*
UCF*
Saint Louis

*football schools

Play 16 conference games plus 2 or 4 crossover games. These conferences could hold for the Olympic sports too. The eleven football schools plus Navy form a 12 team football only conference. UMass could have had a scheduling arrangement for football, with a path to potential future full football membership.

I would sign on the dotted line for that setup in a minute if it had any stability. Of course it was easy to see that it wouldn't be stable, making the whole idea a non-starter.

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As a NJ resident and taxpayer I can't say I'm happy about how my tax dollars are being spent down at "The Banks of the Old Raritan." All that glitters is not gold. A somewhat lengthy read but worth the time. I wonder how many other schools are in the same boat?

https://www.njherald.com/in-depth/ne...en/8047865002/
My time growing up in NJ I remember when Rutgers was an independent. They played Princeton in the annual rivalry game. They also played the likes of Lehigh in PA among others. Although a 'state' university, the standards to get into that place was pretty high. I knew smart people (well at least smarter than I! ) who didn't get in but put on the wait list if at all.

I also thought at the time the Rutgers people thought of themselves as a pseudo IVY League establishment. I believe it was sometime in the early 70's after many residents of NJ had been complaining for years that Rutgers established 'Livingston College' to let in more people that where not being accepted to the 'regular' Colleges.

There is a disconnect in NJ that is hard to explain. There is a strong and vocal group that believes too much is placed on athletics and then there is a vocal group who believed that Rutgers was (not could be mind you) an established force in some phases of their athletic prowess. Witness some success in BB and while in the BEast their FB program.

Getting accepted into the B10 was validation that they BELONGED.

Only it proved to be a mirage as seen by the performance in that conference.

For those of you who don't know, Rutgers and Princeton played what is claimed to be the very first FB game on a site in Piscataway NJ across the river from the campus. Years ago when a group of people wanted to establish a 'College Football Hall of Fame', it was proposed to be near that site.
Per Wikipedia: Rutgers donated land near its football stadium, office space, and administrative support. After years of collecting donations for the construction of the building with ground not having been broken and no plans to do so, the New Jersey Attorney General began an investigation of the finances of the Hall of Fame's foundation, the National Football Foundation.

Was it Jersey politics corrupting the situation? Don't know. But it never happened. But reading that article that you provided shows that as much as things change maybe nothing really does.
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AAC East

Temple*
UMass*
URI
VCU
ECU*
St. Bona
USF*
Richmond
Saint Joe's

AAC West

Tulane*
Tulsa*
Wichita State
SMU*
Memphis*
Murray State
Saint Louis
Belmont
Dayton
Plenty of independent football schools to backfill with: NMSU, Liberty, Army, and UConn.
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Big 12 invitations just sent to Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and UCF. Memphis appears to be left holding the AAC bag at this point.
https://big12sports.com/news/2021/9/...i4xUdsKf4nPD7w
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Big 12 invitations just sent to Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and UCF. Memphis appears to be left holding the AAC bag at this point.
https://big12sports.com/news/2021/9/...i4xUdsKf4nPD7w
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Poor Memphis, poor SMU, poor Wichita State, poor Temple, sucks to be them, sucks to be left out and get left behind. This is a total gut punch for them, they are in a bad spot now.
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Poor Memphis, poor SMU, poor Wichita State, poor Temple, sucks to be them, sucks to be left out and get left behind. This is a total gut punch for them, they are in a bad spot now.
Would it be possible that they all get absorbed into the A10?

Is that a crazy thought?

Or maybe they all go into a Big East megaconference, along with UD and the top A10 schools?
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