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Old 09-18-2018, 09:01 PM
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Ok, I've been slacking off on posting pictures. They've added some good structure on the east end walkway, and you can see a bit of the design that will be there. More windows on the main entrance, and the south entrance has more structure for the circular concourse as well as for vertical brickwork. On the northside the second floor window steel structure looks to be close to complete. Maybe windows will go in this week.

Here is a look from the northeast corner.



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They got to be looking at closing some of the open walls. With the first day of fall happening this weekend, fall weather (rain and frost) along with the occasional cold front blowing through the area it soon will be exposing the interior to the elements.

Especially on the east side new upper level walkway/balcony. That is suppose to be functioning come this BB season.

Anyone know how the interior work is coming along? I know there was a report on a quick tour maybe a month ago posted here.
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Thanks for posting the pics and keeping us up to date. You need to send these pics over to UD. The "Transform UD Arena" site has not been updated in over a year. Sad. Must have been busy working on the new website for the U.
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I talked to a neighbor who is a fire fighter (more an inspector type now). He was inside about a month ago for an inspection/tour. He mentioned that there is a lot to be done, but they claim to be on schedule. There are also people on the job nearly 24/7. He also commented that Danis has a good reputation for pulling things together and finishing projects on time.
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I was in the Arena 3 weeks ago with UD Sports people .. I asked them if they will be completed on time .. they said yes ... they will be open on time.

What I saw? Everything was opened up inside ... everything was unfinished.

IMO .. with no construction experience ... if they can button up things, close up things for the schedule ... they will be working beyond Thanksgiving ...

If something can be closed up for the games, they will reopen and continue completing until the next time ... to close up for the next game.

I was told the new "Club" on the east side will be open in 2019. So this construction will continue and will be worked on after the start of the basketball season.

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I was in the Arena 3 weeks ago with UD Sports people .. I asked them if they will be completed on time .. they said yes ... they will be open on time.

What I saw? Everything was opened up inside ... everything was unfinished.

IMO .. with no construction experience ... if they can button up things, close up things for the schedule ... they will be working beyond Thanksgiving ...

If something can be closed up for the games, they will reopen and continue completing until the next time ... to close up for the next game.

I was told the new "Club" on the east side will be open in 2019. So this construction will continue and will be worked on after the start of the basketball season.
Some years ago I was in Palo Alto the weekend after Thanksgiving....very late November. Stanford was playing ND in Stanford's 80,000 seat standium. All around the stadium was construction equipment. The next day, a Sunday, tear-down of the stadium began in prep for construction of a new ~ 60,000 seat stadium on the same site. In October of the next year, less than 12 months later, Stanford played its first game in the new stadium. Work went on seven days a week for ~ 10 months. That project makes our Arena redo look like a minor spruce-up.
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I just hope they got the right grade bolts this time around after the first arena collapse. What I read in the DDN was that the wrong grade of bolts were used and these bolts sheared. The crappy design was confirmed when they said the center scoreboard could not be replaced because the structure couldnít hold it. LED panels fixed that argument.

My design criteria was to double what you need and then double that to prevent or reduce deflection. I need to drive over and walk around and maybe sneak in for a peak. Damm what did I do with the white hard hat?
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I read some time ago when Wernher von Braun and his team of German's engineers designed the Saturn rocket for Apollo they built it only in the manner they knew how. Over designed and well thought out.

As the Apollo project wound up other folks in NASA discovered they needed more of "this" and plenty more of "that", the NASA guys would go back to von Braun and ask if the rocket could handle it .... his response always was " yes but only a little bit more".

It was why that rocket never failed.

I also worked on a team years back that dealt with space hardware. The reliability engineers stated that normal design would get you about 99% reliability at X cost while to get to 99.99% reliability would be 100X costing.

It's how much you want to pay, how much you want to compromise and how much you don't know that will cost you in the end product.
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"The last 20% always goes together quicker than the first 80%. The last 20% is the only part fans see anyway."

Obviously you have not been involved with software projects .. or Air Force projects ... or you are trying to be funny. The above statement is not what I have seen working finance for 40 years.

But this is construction and out of my league.

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The 80/20 rule applies to most projects, construction or otherwise. That is the pressure gets turned up at the end to get it done. Many construction projects have bonuses or penalties based on finishing on time or early. Not sure about the UD project, but it is also high profile to the public, and to that construction company's reputation.
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I just hope they got the right grade bolts this time around after the first arena collapse. What I read in the DDN was that the wrong grade of bolts were used and these bolts sheared. The crappy design was confirmed when they said the center scoreboard could not be replaced because the structure couldnít hold it. LED panels fixed that argument.

My design criteria was to double what you need and then double that to prevent or reduce deflection. I need to drive over and walk around and maybe sneak in for a peak. Damm what did I do with the white hard hat?
I think there have been major advancements in building codes and inspection standards since 1968-69, when The Arena was first built. Plus, back then, the University operated on more of a shoestring budget, and society was not nearly as litigious as it is now. So, between advancements in construction & project funding, and the increase in class-action personal-injury lawsuits (leading to more emphasis on loss prevention), I donít think UD is sparing much expense on this upgrade project.
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I just hope they got the right grade bolts this time around after the first arena collapse. What I read in the DDN was that the wrong grade of bolts were used and these bolts sheared. The crappy design was confirmed when they said the center scoreboard could not be replaced because the structure couldnít hold it. LED panels fixed that argument.

My design criteria was to double what you need and then double that to prevent or reduce deflection. I need to drive over and walk around and maybe sneak in for a peak. Damm what did I do with the white hard hat?
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Initially, the design of the structure was called into question, and was immediately poo-pood. Had the design been faulty (including bolt grades), the review and redesign process would have taken months or years to occur. They were given the ok to continue the construction the next month after their investigation. The ultimate cause was determined to be faulty erection practices by the erector. When erecting large truss and girder structures, x-bracing, bridging and shoring is required to keep the structure upright. There was a wind event that night that caused the large trusses to twist due to inadequate bracing. That, in addition to lack of shoring on one of the main column lines ultimately caused the collapse.
I havenít seen anything about bolt grades or shearing being a factor. If there were sheared bolts, they were a product of the collapse, not the cause. There was absolutely no load applied to the structure. Oh, and bolt quantities have nothing to do with deflection. Member sizes do. I think my hard hat is white, I canít tell from the stickers.
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Initially, the design of the structure was called into question, and was immediately poo-pood. Had the design been faulty (including bolt grades), the review and redesign process would have taken months or years to occur. They were given the ok to continue the construction the next month after their investigation. The ultimate cause was determined to be faulty erection practices by the erector. When erecting large truss and girder structures, x-bracing, bridging and shoring is required to keep the structure upright. There was a wind event that night that caused the large trusses to twist due to inadequate bracing. That, in addition to lack of shoring on one of the main column lines ultimately caused the collapse.
I havenít seen anything about bolt grades or shearing being a factor. If there were sheared bolts, they were a product of the collapse, not the cause. There was absolutely no load applied to the structure. Oh, and bolt quantities have nothing to do with deflection. Member sizes do. I think my hard hat is white, I canít tell from the stickers.
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I attended UD my freshman year (73-74). Completed at Texas-Arlington, but UD was my home. Worked under Jim Courtright during the Frigidaire transition in the late 70ís, early 80ís. I recieved an internship in Dallas simply because I attended UD. The senior engineer was a UD grad. Gearing up to retire soon.
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The words erection and member sizes have been a continuous joke thru the years, especially when used around new female office workers not accustomed to construction verbiage.
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I attended UD my freshman year (73-74). Completed at Texas-Arlington, but UD was my home. Worked under Jim Courtright during the Frigidaire transition in the late 70ís, early 80ís. I recieved an internship in Dallas simply because I attended UD. The senior engineer was a UD grad. Gearing up to retire soon.
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The east wing is coming along nicely. Windows on the first floor, and siding in the upper 400 walkway.



On the south entrance, though, they haven't put in steel structure for the second floor windows. Hopefully, that's happening this week. 25 days until exhibition game.

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I heard from good source that only one of the four party decks will be open this year. Sounded like they were going to let different groups rent and get feedback on set up, work out bugs, etc before they finalize the interior design of all 4. Good idea I think.

Also (I think I have this correct) Of the four corner boards only two will be turned toward the upper arena, one on each side. They may be repositioned. Evidently the team/staff references those board during games.

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I heard from good source that only one of the four party decks will be open this year. Sounded like they were going to let different groups rent and get feedback on set up, work out bugs, etc before they finalize the interior design of all 4. Good idea I think.

Also (I think I have this correct) Of the four corner boards only two will be turned toward the upper arena, one on each side. They may be repositioned. Evidently the team/staff references those board during games.

I also heard that only will turn two of the boards. Very interested in the party decks. Great idea.
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So I pulled into the arena lot today to make a few notes from a phone call I had just completed. At least 14 different scissor lifts and boom lifts with workers working on the exterior of the building, couple hundred vehicles in the lot that I assume belong to construction workers, and people everywhere. Looks like a lot left to be done, but appeared to be plenty of manpower on site.

More importantly, anyone seen Drone video of what is going on? I did not see who was flying it, but was one buzzing overhead today that I assume was taking pictures or video.

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So I pulled into the arena lot today to make a few notes from a phone call I had just completed. At least 14 different scissor lifts and boom lifts with workers working on the exterior of the building, couple hundred vehicles in the lot that I assume belong to construction workers, and people everywhere. Looks like a lot left to be done, but appeared to be plenty of manpower on site.

More importantly, anyone seen Drone video of what is going on? I did not see who was flying it, but was one buzzing overhead today that I assume was taking pictures or video.
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To give fans more time to get used to the changes, the arena will open two hours before tip-off — instead of one hour early — for the exhibition games, the women’s first regular-season games and the first couple of men’s regular-season games. Season-ticket holders also will receive maps with routes to their seats when their tickets are mailed in the next week to 10 days.
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In the last week, north entrance doors have been installed, steel support for windows on the second floor of the south entrance, metal siding on the south side of the east walkway area, and windows installed in 4 of the 5 sections on the east wing. Here is a shot of the southeast area over the fencing closer to the arena. Sidewalks also look to have been poured in the last 2 weeks, must have missed that last week.



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