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Old 06-11-2019, 10:10 PM
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Thank you to everyone who has helped me throughout this process. With that being said I am 100% committed to the University of Dayton.#goflyers

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The 2020 6'4" 3 Star Lake Catholic (Mentor, OH) Guard is now a Flyer! Tripledoubleprospects.com has him as the Top SG in the state for the 2020 class... He's more a combo guard.

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Still on the hunt for a true PG or does he get a crack at it?
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My guess is they are definitely still going after a True PG
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Still on the hunt for a true PG or does he get a crack at it?
Offers out to Alexander, Diarra, Farris, amongst a few others. Would guess they want a true PG for 2020.
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His mother and father both played college basketball.

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Count me as a skeptic for this signing but I’m optimistic that his body and athleticism can catch up to his skill with the ball. More of a fan of the athletic type so we can push the ball and play some better man to man defense. He will definitely have time his freshman year to get better in practice playing against what looks like is going to be a pretty athletic and talented group of seniors.
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Count me as a skeptic for this signing but I’m optimistic that his body and athleticism can catch up to his skill with the ball. More of a fan of the athletic type so we can push the ball and play some better man to man defense. He will definitely have time his freshman year to get better in practice playing against what looks like is going to be a pretty athletic and talented group of seniors.
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He is a high jumper...dunks with ease. Just because he is white doesnt mean he is unathletic. Needs strength...he has plenty of athleticism.
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:39 PM
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didn't have a huge offer list but AG gets the benefit of doubt on IDing talent
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I like a guard at 6'5 - can he shoot the 3?
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He is a high jumper...dunks with ease. Just because he is white doesnt mean he is unathletic. Needs strength...he has plenty of athleticism.
Just because he can jump doesn’t make him athletic either. We need quickness and strength that we’ve been lacking on the defensive side. Just tired of watching our guys get beat off the dribble.
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He is a lefty. Interesting. He has a nifty behind the back dribble I noticed in one of his tapes. I think that is the most underappreciated skill for a driving player. If you do it right, it is nearly impossible to defend 1 on 1.
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Just because he can jump doesn’t make him athletic either. We need quickness and strength that we’ve been lacking on the defensive side. Just tired of watching our guys get beat off the dribble.
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If you haven’t, I suggest you pull up some recent video. He’s quite “athletic” in the sense that he possesses very good body control and appears to be pretty quick with a good handle.
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If he can be a smaller, more agile version of Mikesell: sold! Welcome to the Flyer Family, Luke!
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It’s worth it to watch the full Hudl video from the original post. Knee-jerk pros/cons from the video:

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Shooting (quick release, which can’t always be taught)
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Jumping (uses his legs well to hang in the air and creatively finish around the rim)

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Strength (you’d like to see them come in looking like Moulaye but not all can)
Defense? (literally not one clip of defense from the video)
Definitely more cons exist, but in true highlight video form, he shot 100% and made zero mistakes

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I like this pick-up. He does indeed need strength...that can be fixed. He has a great stroke and the ability to get to the hoop and finish. He is Ryan Mikesell with less height but a better stroke and drive to the hoop. I will take that any day.
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And just because someone has quickness and strength doesn't make them athletic either. If the kid was black, could jump, was pretty lean but could use muscle and you watched his dunks I'm betting you would not have even mentioned anything about athletic ability...
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He is a high jumper...dunks with ease. Just because he is white doesnt mean he is unathletic. Needs strength...he has plenty of athleticism.
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And just because someone has quickness and strength doesn't make them athletic either. If the kid was black, could jump, was pretty lean but could use muscle and you watched his dunks I'm betting you would not have even mentioned anything about athletic ability...

Steve for the win. I love the automatic assumptions made here, which I've highlighted in the past related to Mikesell. I was told he was slow and couldn't guard anyone. Say, who was that guarding St. B's best player at the end of the game on the road last year, and the first guy to slow the guy's scoring down? Mikesell.
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He is a lefty. Interesting. He has a nifty behind the back dribble I noticed in one of his tapes. I think that is the most underappreciated skill for a driving player. If you do it right, it is nearly impossible to defend 1 on 1.

Love lefties. Remember when we could have Ramod Marshall, Nate Green, D.J. Stelly, and W all on the floor at the same time. The other team didn't know what hit 'em.
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Love lefties. Remember when we could have Ramod Marshall, Nate Green, D.J. Stelly, and W all on the floor at the same time. The other team didn't know what hit 'em.
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His mother and father both played college basketball.

https://www.prephoops.com/2018/06/re...-frazier-2020/
According to Jablonski, they both played at Muskingum University.
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Steve for the win. I love the automatic assumptions made here, which I've highlighted in the past related to Mikesell. I was told he was slow and couldn't guard anyone. Say, who was that guarding St. B's best player at the end of the game on the road last year, and the first guy to slow the guy's scoring down? Mikesell.
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Running, jumping, shooting, lateral quickness, strength, passing, vision, dribbling, etc... are all forms of athleticism used/required in basketball. Some have it all (Durant), most only excel (relative to their level) in a handful of these. I see a kid who can jump, who can dribble, who can shoot, has good body control and vision, isn't afraid of contact....yeah I'll call that an athlete. He may not jump like Obi (how many do?), he may not be built like Mouyla (who is?), he may not have the speed of an Ibi Watson, but I watch that highlight reel and I see an athlete that makes plays.


He never misses a shot, but obviously how many misses are they not showing. Form looks good, he sets his feet quickly, get the shot of quickly, is often set up in good position to catch the ball when sitting for the corner 3, so I'd suspect his shooting % is very solid.


Some say he's lean, doesn't look at that lean for a HS junior to me. Looks stronger than Crutcher or Scoochie were coming out of HS. He doesn't appear to be afraid of contact, and that should only improve as he enters UD weight program.


I didn't see many (any?) assists. How many times does he drive the lane, get cut off and forces a bad shot? He shows great body control around the rim and thru contact, but how many forced shots were not shown? How many misses were left out with a wide open team mate streaking down the other side of the lane for an easy pass/layup?


He seems to anticipate the run out well, how many times does he get burned by running out too quickly and watches his teammates fail to gain control of the ball?


Don't recall seeing many (any?) rebounds in there, at 6'-4/5" in HS, PG or not you should be picking up a handful of rebounds a game.



I have no idea how good that level of competition is, so everything you see is relative.


Overall, looks like a solid add, potentially a great shooter that can fight thru traffic and finish around the rim. Good ball handler, confident stroke. UD needs kids that can fly down the court and rattle the rim, but they also need kids that can space out the defense by being a consistent threat from the perimeter (remember the 3 point line is moving back again)
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Similar sounding name to Luke Fabrizius.
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And Matt Kuchar might be the best "athlete" on the PGA tour. Not the fastest, strongest, can't jump the highest but he's a tremendous golfer, the best tennis player on the tour, best ping pong player, tremendous water skier from what I've read and a really good horse player shooting the ball.

See where I'm going here? Great hand/eye coordination and skill set(s) makes a real good athlete also...
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His sister, Ellie, is also a point guard for the Perry girls team."

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Looks stronger than Crutcher or Scoochie were coming out of HS.
AG was quoted as saying that Jalen Crutcher looked like a Middle School PG when he arrived at UD.
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What makes someone athletic? Speed? How high they jump? Maybe the competition was crap, but not bad for competing on a whim...
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What makes someone athletic? Speed? How high they jump? Maybe the competition was crap, but not bad for competing on a whim...
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Isn't CAG 6'5"? The Jablonski article lists him Frazier at 6'4" but in the commitment picture on Twitter it looks like Luke is just a touch taller than CAG. Either way, glad to have him in the fold in what I expect to be a 4 player 2020 class and we're done for 2019.
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And just because someone has quickness and strength doesn't make them athletic either. If the kid was black, could jump, was pretty lean but could use muscle and you watched his dunks I'm betting you would not have even mentioned anything about athletic ability...
That’s a joke because I said the same thing about Pollicelli and that’s exactly how it turned out. I don’t care if you’re black or white. You can tell when someone lacks that quick twitch ability. We get all these lanky kids who just don’t move quick enough to pay real man defense.
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We have had plenty of athletes with big holes in their game, especially in the BG era. Give me a kid who can do it all, including shoot well, and has basketball and floor awareness, and I'll take him ever time.

Frazier looks like that kind of kid. Great get for Coach Grant.
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Lake Catholic and Holy Name are in different conferences and regions. They would not meet until the final 4.

Would have to go back and look at old schedules to see if they ever played each other in a holiday tournament.

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Lake Catholic and Holy Name are in different conferences and regions. They would not meet until the final 4.

Would have to go back and look at old schedules to see if they ever played each other in a holiday tournament.

Edit - I just checked and they were in the same conference at one time. Will see if I can find a game where they both played.
There are highlights of Luke playing against Holy Name this past season. I’m pretty sure they’ve played against each other.
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Apparently, not only do they know each other, but they were AAU teammates. https://www.news-herald.com/sports/l...a79512b09.html
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Apparently, not only do they know each other, but they were AAU teammates. https://www.news-herald.com/sports/l...a79512b09.html

The guy who wrote that article said Dayton was 14-17 and 8-10 in 2018-19. Duh.....
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The guy who wrote that article said Dayton was 14-17 and 8-10 in 2018-19. Duh.....
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Nice! Pretty sure the #11 kid in this state didn’t sign to redshirt. I guess if that prediction is made for every recruit eventually over the next 10 years eventually it will happen and someone’s dream can come true.
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I’m ok redshirting a player here and there but not one every year. We shouldn’t expect freshman to come in and play significant minutes right away. Allowing him to get 5-7 min a game as a freshman will carry over more his sophomore year than a redshirt year imo. Obi really started to shine later in the season. Imagine if he actually played in real games the year he redshirted.
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Great pickup. Good athleticism and lots of skills.

I don't think he redshirts, but should have the luxury of playing on a stacked team during his FR where he will be able to be brought along slowly if needed.
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Well played!!!

Ironic on this thread he's getting minutes and on another thread the discussion is about who's going to get minutes with all the new found depth.

Would love to see him come in and light it up. Looks like he needs 25 lbs of muscle.

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The kid is just starting his senior year, as a highly rated prospect, and people are judging his skills, athleticism and size based on a 17 year old body and a few video clips. Glad these people were not recruiting Obi.

Probably some of the same people who complain we do not get certain recruits post negative stuff. Do you not think these recruits and their families and friends do not read this stuff? If you are a UD fan, be a fan, and support the coach and team.
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I thought it was because Archie didn't recruit highly rated guys?
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Good pickup. If I were AG, I bank the 2019 schollys and try to bring in a Scooch/Kendall/Kyle type class for 2020.
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Solomon was down in TX and saw Luke apparently play very, very well in a tough tournament. He calls while at the airport (assumption - on his way home) and schedules a visit with AG - within days. And they offer. AG and company have done one heck of a job getting guys they think fit their system and plan to take UD TO THE NEXT LEVEL. This isn’t late in the recruiting cycle and they arent looking for a late bloomer or diamond in the rough, although they have done that really well when they have had too. This is the first commit of our 2020 class and I for one believe AG knows exactly what he’s doing with his offers.

I’m not 100% sure on the following (so offer up corrections) but I think this is AM’s recruiting “stats”

Jordan Pierce and Mateo Svoboda were A.M. recruits and I think Jordan Davis as well. All have left the program for three unique reasons (lower-level community college, turn pro overseas, and my guess is Davis saw what is coming this year and would not have been happy with his playing time.) I think all were AM Recruits.

Jalen Crutcher, Obi Toppin and Dwayne Cohill. All AG recruits and all doing well in the program.

Rodney Chatman, Chase Johnson, Jordy Tshimanga and Ibi Watson. All AG recruits/transfers. TBD - but reports are this group is great.

That leaves Frankie Policelli who transferred out. Circumstances were not in Frankie’s favor during his one season at UD. He was a late signee. Hope he puts together a great college career before he is done.

It looks like AG has brought in 8 guys and lost 1 of his recruits. With 13 scholarships, that success rate nets out 10-11 players working out and contributing to your program as the years cycle thru. Two years is a small sample, but at these numbers I’m all-in on every guy AG brings in.

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The kid is just starting his senior year, as a highly rated prospect, and people are judging his skills, athleticism and size based on a 17 year old body and a few video clips. Glad these people were not recruiting Obi.

Probably some of the same people who complain we do not get certain recruits post negative stuff. Do you not think these recruits and their families and friends do not read this stuff? If you are a UD fan, be a fan, and support the coach and team.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program. I waited a long time to add my .02 cents but count me in the camp that CAG knows exactly what he is doing. It doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to look up and down the roster and see a talent level from 1 to 11 that is as great, if not greater, than we have seen for a long long time! I believe Luke Frazier will be a significant piece of the puzzle for the 2020-2021 season and that AG will save the two scholorships from 2019 and add three more quality recruits for 2020 especially if we make a deep run in the NCAAT.

I will never complain if AG doesn't get a certain recruit because I am already impressed with the talent he and his assistants have been able to accumulate and I feel it will continue in the future. I agree that you aren't a true fan if you post negative stuff all the time.
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
The kid is just starting his senior year, as a highly rated prospect, and people are judging his skills, athleticism and size based on a 17 year old body and a few video clips. Glad these people were not recruiting Obi.

Probably some of the same people who complain we do not get certain recruits post negative stuff. Do you not think these recruits and their families and friends do not read this stuff? If you are a UD fan, be a fan, and support the coach and team.
I’m not judging this kids ability. Just doing the math on a deep roster and a tall skinny kid that looks like he needs to get physically bigger to handle the grind.

We’ll see.
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I’m not judging this kids ability. Just doing the math on a deep roster and a tall skinny kid that looks like he needs to get physically bigger to handle the grind.

We’ll see.
The key is the young man will get a lot bigger. He just completed his junior year in high school. Look how other Flyers have blossomed physically. You can't change height, but you certainly can change strength.
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Fine prospect and not likely a redshirt

Seems like Luke has all the tendencies and raw skills of a fine prospect. But it should be crystal clear after several hard practices where he should spend his time. Like draining his energy in the weight room, and draining threes from the arc.

When he gets a dose of the men on our roster I think he will be motivated and energized to be the player AG thinks he can be.
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Being skinny doesn't mean you aren't tough. I know videos don't mean much, but I see a kid that likes going to the hole. Kinda shows toughness.
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Being skinny doesn't mean you aren't tough. I know videos don't mean much, but I see a kid that likes going to the hole. Kinda shows toughness.
He's also creative, makes nice adjustment - and finishes. I'll trust AG and staff on how he fits on the team.
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Wife and I were sitting in Marianist Hall cafeteria while visiting our son 8 or 9 yrs ago when 2 mens coaches walked in with a rail thin recruit. I mean this kid was about 6'1" and maybe 140 lbs. I literally couldn't believe they were interested in this kid. I'm sure glad Scoochie decided he liked his visit.
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Being skinny doesn't mean you aren't tough. I know videos don't mean much, but I see a kid that likes going to the hole. Kinda shows toughness.
He doesn't seem scared to challenge people at the rim. Had some nice blocks in his highlight video. I didn't see anything that made me think he wasn't tough for the level (high school) he's playing out now.
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If Grant likes this kid, that gives me some comfort. Thus far, Grant has way more hits than misses. You cant expect a coach to bat 1.000. A lot of it is projection and taking calculated risks. You win some and lose some. At UD you have to take more risks than elsewhere. Not that Frazier is a risk. But we recruit fewer "cant-miss" guys that even if they underachieve still end up thoroughly good. Its also about filling needs/holes. The orchestra needs a little bit of everything.

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Saw Jordy Tshimanga and Chase Johnson today at the Kroger store on Stroop Road. Jordy had another player with him - I think it was Ibi Watson. I wished Jordy a good year. He shook hands with me and said he can't wait. Man, is he tall! I asked Chase Johnson if he was fully healed now, and he said he was.
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