UDPride Discussion Forums    
     

Go Back   UDPride Discussion Forums > UDPRIDE SPORTS FORUMS > Mens Basketball

» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-20-2019, 11:16 AM
Flyer Dave's Avatar
Flyer Dave Flyer Dave is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Centerville,Ohio
Posts: 275
Thanks: 134
Thanked 130 Times in 63 Posts
Flyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really nice
Next years schedule

I can only hope we can get some high level teams in for the 5oth Anniversary of U.D. Arena. My top 3 would be Ohio State, Kentucky and we are due a visit from North Carolina for Dayton going to their place for an anniversary of the Wright Brothers. I thought an agreement was made that if we did that, N.C. would schedule a game at U.D. Arena.

Or a possible mid-season tournament around the Christmas holiday made up of teams like U.C., Xavier, Ohio State, Miami, etc.
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
  #2  
Old 03-20-2019, 11:17 AM
cj's Avatar
cj cj is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,708
Thanks: 2,891
Thanked 3,879 Times in 2,027 Posts
cj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond repute
I'll have what he is smoking.
__________________
What is good for the United States is bad for democrats.
Reply With Quote
11 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to cj For This Totally Excellent Post:
31770 (06-18-2019), Justin (03-20-2019), longtimefan (03-20-2019), longtimefan67 (03-20-2019), m21eagle45 (03-20-2019), NorthwestFlyer (03-20-2019), NYCFLYER (03-20-2019), Phi Psi Flyer '09 (03-20-2019), Radar (03-20-2019), shocka43 (03-20-2019), SLUFLYER (03-20-2019)
  #3  
Old 03-20-2019, 01:08 PM
Medford Medford is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Dayton
Posts: 4,473
Thanks: 451
Thanked 2,673 Times in 1,347 Posts
Medford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond repute
Ohio State, Kentucky and UNC will be coming to the arena next year only if they are in the first 4.
Reply With Quote
4 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Medford For This Totally Excellent Post:
CT Flyer (03-20-2019), m21eagle45 (03-20-2019), NorthwestFlyer (03-20-2019), Radar (03-20-2019)
  #4  
Old 03-20-2019, 01:11 PM
Radar Radar is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,541
Thanks: 1,621
Thanked 1,725 Times in 824 Posts
Radar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond repute
How about (potentially): UCLA, Mich St, Kansas, BYU, Georgia and Va Tech?

Travel to Chaminade University (UD of the West) and check out the Maui Invitational!
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to Radar For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-20-2019)
  #5  
Old 03-20-2019, 01:12 PM
sheg's Avatar
sheg sheg is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,328
Thanks: 375
Thanked 1,210 Times in 468 Posts
sheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond repute
What a great idea! Neil should totally cancel Detroit Mercy and Coppin State and bring in UNC and Kansas instead.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to sheg For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019)
  #6  
Old 03-20-2019, 01:13 PM
Chris R's Avatar
Chris R Chris R is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 11,086
Thanks: 1,161
Thanked 12,468 Times in 3,638 Posts
Chris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond repute
I can tell you that we approached ND and they said NFW.
__________________

C. M. Rieman | Publisher | 937.361.4630 | Get the latest here:

Reply With Quote
5 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Chris R For This Totally Excellent Post:
66flyer (06-03-2019), AC91 (03-20-2019), BeckysTXA (03-20-2019), Flyer 86 (03-20-2019), Lifelong Flyer Fan (03-20-2019)
  #7  
Old 03-20-2019, 01:42 PM
DallasFlyer's Avatar
DallasFlyer DallasFlyer is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 3,779
Thanks: 632
Thanked 3,572 Times in 1,616 Posts
DallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
I can tell you that we approached ND and they said NFW.
But acronyms, like Indiana geography, can be confusing.

So we just scheduled IPFW.

Hooray!!!
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to DallasFlyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
Gazoo (04-30-2019)
  #8  
Old 03-20-2019, 01:42 PM
rollo's Avatar
rollo rollo is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: BigOilPlex
Posts: 13,839
Thanks: 13,604
Thanked 12,700 Times in 5,638 Posts
rollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond repute
For nostalgia's sake, I say we invite Digger to the 50th anniversary and call him out to midcourt at halftime...and, oh, did I mention it would be 'free toilet paper roll' day?
__________________
I beat CE80 in the 2019 UD Pride NCAA Tournament Bracket Pool!
Reply With Quote
4 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to rollo For This Totally Excellent Post:
66flyer (06-03-2019), Ivan (03-21-2019), LIBob (03-21-2019), rasta man (03-22-2019)
  #9  
Old 03-20-2019, 01:45 PM
DallasFlyer's Avatar
DallasFlyer DallasFlyer is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 3,779
Thanks: 632
Thanked 3,572 Times in 1,616 Posts
DallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeDallasFlyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by rollo View Post
For nostalgia's sake, I say we invite Digger to the 50th anniversary and call him out to midcourt at halftime...and, oh, did I mention it would be 'free toilet paper roll' day?
Okay, but Digger has to do the Red Panda thing, on a unicycle, except with rolls of toilet paper instead of bowls.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-20-2019, 02:02 PM
NorthwestFlyer NorthwestFlyer is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,678
Thanks: 734
Thanked 548 Times in 298 Posts
NorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond reputeNorthwestFlyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by DallasFlyer View Post
Okay, but Digger has to do the Red Panda thing, on a unicycle, except with rolls of toilet paper instead of bowls.
Yes! and Ray Harper will be there to toss in some extra rolls into the juggle, while also riding a unicycle and calling timely timeouts....

Finally the offseason has arrived.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to NorthwestFlyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
rollo (03-20-2019)
  #11  
Old 03-20-2019, 03:27 PM
UD74 UD74 is offline
Just off the Jet
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 6
Thanks: 4
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
UD74 can only hope to improve
I don't believe that about ND . How about THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY . Why won't they play us ?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-20-2019, 03:31 PM
Medford Medford is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Dayton
Posts: 4,473
Thanks: 451
Thanked 2,673 Times in 1,347 Posts
Medford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond reputeMedford has a reputation beyond repute
Same reasons we don't play Wright State more or less. They don't want to come here, we don't want to "just" go there.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-20-2019, 03:51 PM
Marysville Flyer's Avatar
Marysville Flyer Marysville Flyer is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 756
Thanks: 553
Thanked 618 Times in 259 Posts
Marysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeMarysville Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by rollo View Post
For nostalgia's sake, I say we invite Digger to the 50th anniversary and call him out to midcourt at halftime...and, oh, did I mention it would be 'free toilet paper roll' day?
Those were the real rocking arena days
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-20-2019, 04:04 PM
longtimefan67's Avatar
longtimefan67 longtimefan67 is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,066
Thanks: 659
Thanked 1,501 Times in 664 Posts
longtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Flyer Dave View Post
I can only hope we can get some high level teams in for the 5oth Anniversary of U.D. Arena. My top 3 would be Ohio State, Kentucky and we are due a visit from North Carolina for Dayton going to their place for an anniversary of the Wright Brothers. I thought an agreement was made that if we did that, N.C. would schedule a game at U.D. Arena.

Or a possible mid-season tournament around the Christmas holiday made up of teams like U.C., Xavier, Ohio State, Miami, etc.
Why not invite Indiana next year? I'm sure Archie would love to come back here....but seriously folks. If Dayton wants a big game at UD arena, we really need to agree to a 2 for 1 or maybe even a 3 for 1 against a top team. The last decent 1 for 1 was Pitt. What we shouldn't do, is what we did in 1999, which was schedule a game at a "neutral site" at US Bank Arena where the Flyers should have lost badly to Kentucky but instead beat their A$$es. That set up a rematch for UK likely in the 2050's...

Last edited by longtimefan67; 03-20-2019 at 04:09 PM..
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to longtimefan67 For This Totally Excellent Post:
Radar (03-21-2019)
  #15  
Old 03-20-2019, 04:13 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
I wonder if we could get a 2 for 1 out of Belmont
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
springborofan (03-21-2019)
  #16  
Old 03-20-2019, 05:07 PM
longtimefan longtimefan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,440
Thanks: 2,851
Thanked 5,510 Times in 2,502 Posts
longtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
Why not invite Indiana next year? I'm sure Archie would love to come back here....but seriously folks. If Dayton wants a big game at UD arena, we really need to agree to a 2 for 1 or maybe even a 3 for 1 against a top team. The last decent 1 for 1 was Pitt. What we shouldn't do, is what we did in 1999, which was schedule a game at a "neutral site" at US Bank Arena where the Flyers should have lost badly to Kentucky but instead beat their A$$es. That set up a rematch for UK likely in the 2050's...

You must define "decent" a lot differently than I do. I would say that Auburn, Mississippi State, St Mary's, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Seton Hall were all better than "decent." Also Creighton, New Mexico, George Mason, and Old Dominion were all pretty good when we played them in home-and-homes. And I don't quite understand your Kentucky comment. I would play them again in a nano-second in Cincinnati - Louisville too.
Reply With Quote
3 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019), LIBob (03-21-2019), Lowd&ProUD (03-20-2019)
  #17  
Old 03-20-2019, 05:28 PM
longtimefan67's Avatar
longtimefan67 longtimefan67 is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,066
Thanks: 659
Thanked 1,501 Times in 664 Posts
longtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan67 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
You must define "decent" a lot differently than I do. I would say that Auburn, Mississippi State, St Mary's, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Seton Hall were all better than "decent." Also Creighton, New Mexico, George Mason, and Old Dominion were all pretty good when we played them in home-and-homes. And I don't quite understand your Kentucky comment. I would play them again in a nano-second in Cincinnati - Louisville too.
None of those you list above are top 10 games at UD arena....Oh, I'd love to do a UC or UK 2 for 1 or 1 for 1, go ahead and try to get that game....Besides playing in a Regional NCAA final, when has UK ever come to UD arena? I doubt after 1999 game with UK, we'll ever get them on the schedule again unless its some tournament...(they don't like to lose to a mid-major, trust me).
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 03-20-2019, 05:45 PM
MikeFlyer's Avatar
MikeFlyer MikeFlyer is offline
1st Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 122
Thanks: 300
Thanked 61 Times in 31 Posts
MikeFlyer is a glorious beacon of lightMikeFlyer is a glorious beacon of lightMikeFlyer is a glorious beacon of lightMikeFlyer is a glorious beacon of lightMikeFlyer is a glorious beacon of light
Originally Posted by rollo View Post
For nostalgia's sake, I say we invite Digger to the 50th anniversary and call him out to midcourt at halftime...and, oh, did I mention it would be 'free toilet paper roll' day?
We could say one last time SIT DOWN DIGGER!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 03-20-2019, 05:51 PM
Donniex3Era's Avatar
Donniex3Era Donniex3Era is offline
Major
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 674
Thanks: 366
Thanked 760 Times in 244 Posts
Donniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant futureDonniex3Era has a brilliant future
Originally Posted by Flyer Dave View Post
I can only hope we can get some high level teams in for the 5oth Anniversary of U.D. Arena. My top 3 would be Ohio State, Kentucky and we are due a visit from North Carolina for Dayton going to their place for an anniversary of the Wright Brothers. I thought an agreement was made that if we did that, N.C. would schedule a game at U.D. Arena.

Or a possible mid-season tournament around the Christmas holiday made up of teams like U.C., Xavier, Ohio State, Miami, etc.
In the old days, it would have been an in season home and home with ND, Marquette and DePaul...all were powerhouses then and independents...sigh
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to Donniex3Era For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019)
  #20  
Old 03-20-2019, 07:53 PM
UDGutter2's Avatar
UDGutter2 UDGutter2 is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Coldwater
Posts: 1,040
Thanks: 1,448
Thanked 774 Times in 333 Posts
UDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond reputeUDGutter2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan67 View Post
None of those you list above are top 10 games at UD arena....Oh, I'd love to do a UC or UK 2 for 1 or 1 for 1, go ahead and try to get that game....Besides playing in a Regional NCAA final, when has UK ever come to UD arena? I doubt after 1999 game with UK, we'll ever get them on the schedule again unless its some tournament...(they don't like to lose to a mid-major, trust me).
A big UK fan told me when their series of neutral court games with IU ended a couple years ago, they tried to start a neutral court series with Dayton. Deal fell through when no good nuetral sites could be found. Again, this came from a UK fan, and he was serious, never seen this guy joke around. (He also said Chase Johnson is a stud.)
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 03-20-2019, 08:06 PM
udscott's Avatar
udscott udscott is offline
Major
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 713
Thanks: 111
Thanked 432 Times in 157 Posts
udscott is infamous around these partsudscott is infamous around these partsudscott is infamous around these partsudscott is infamous around these partsudscott is infamous around these partsudscott is infamous around these partsudscott is infamous around these partsudscott is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by Flyer Dave View Post
I can only hope we can get some high level teams in for the 5oth Anniversary of U.D. Arena. My top 3 would be Ohio State, Kentucky and we are due a visit from North Carolina for Dayton going to their place for an anniversary of the Wright Brothers. I thought an agreement was made that if we did that, N.C. would schedule a game at U.D. Arena.

Or a possible mid-season tournament around the Christmas holiday made up of teams like U.C., Xavier, Ohio State, Miami, etc.
Talk about someone that has absolutely no clue about ud basketball and scheduling
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to udscott For This Totally Excellent Post:
TX Flyer (03-21-2019)
  #22  
Old 03-20-2019, 08:37 PM
Viperstick Viperstick is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Feeling the need for speed...
Posts: 3,441
Thanks: 2,173
Thanked 2,307 Times in 997 Posts
Viperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond reputeViperstick has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by UDGutter2 View Post
A big UK fan told me when their series of neutral court games with IU ended a couple years ago, they tried to start a neutral court series with Dayton. Deal fell through when no good nuetral sites could be found. Again, this came from a UK fan, and he was serious, never seen this guy joke around. (He also said Chase Johnson is a stud.)
If this guy isn’t blowing smoke, that’s a head scratcher. If a program like UK offers a neutral court game, you find a way to make it happen.

Play it at Cincy Gardens, play it at Colerain HS, play it on a playground in Cheviot. Just play it...
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 03-20-2019, 09:03 PM
ClaytonFlyerFan's Avatar
ClaytonFlyerFan ClaytonFlyerFan is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,706
Thanks: 5,545
Thanked 5,370 Times in 2,188 Posts
ClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
I heard we have a home and home with Sinclair, as part of the deal to get the Sinclair kid to come to UD.
Reply With Quote
4 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to ClaytonFlyerFan For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-20-2019), OSU Flyer (03-21-2019), SeasonTicketFan (03-20-2019), Viperstick (03-20-2019)
  #24  
Old 03-20-2019, 10:10 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
I wonder if we could get a 2 for 1 out of Belmont
2 in Tennessee or 2 here?...I would have zero problem playing them in a home and home...heck, I would play 2 in Tennessee, better than some lousy buy game.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 03-20-2019, 11:12 PM
Flyer Dave's Avatar
Flyer Dave Flyer Dave is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Centerville,Ohio
Posts: 275
Thanks: 134
Thanked 130 Times in 63 Posts
Flyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really niceFlyer Dave is just really nice
Originally Posted by udscott View Post
Talk about someone that has absolutely no clue about ud basketball and scheduling
Posted via Mobile Device

And that coming from someone who wants to fire a coach after 2 years.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 03-20-2019, 11:24 PM
UD62 UD62 is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,315
Thanks: 1,270
Thanked 1,536 Times in 738 Posts
UD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
2 in Tennessee or 2 here?...I would have zero problem playing them in a home and home...heck, I would play 2 in Tennessee, better than some lousy buy game.
So your grand plan for 15/15 would be to play a 2 for 1 with Belmont and play the 2 there. Can't say I see the logic in that.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to UD62 For This Totally Excellent Post:
m21eagle45 (03-21-2019)
  #27  
Old 03-21-2019, 12:38 AM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
2 in Tennessee or 2 here?...I would have zero problem playing them in a home and home...heck, I would play 2 in Tennessee, better than some lousy buy game.
2 at UD, 1 in Nashville

Murray State was a 2 for 1 a few years back.

Belmont has been a pretty consistently top 75-100 RPI team for the last decade plus

Might be worth trying to get a small conference that's consistently successful to bite on a 2 for 1
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019)
  #28  
Old 03-21-2019, 01:17 AM
Chris R's Avatar
Chris R Chris R is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 11,086
Thanks: 1,161
Thanked 12,468 Times in 3,638 Posts
Chris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Viperstick View Post
If this guy isn’t blowing smoke, that’s a head scratcher. If a program like UK offers a neutral court game, you find a way to make it happen.

Play it at Cincy Gardens, play it at Colerain HS, play it on a playground in Cheviot. Just play it...
Its not that easy. If you already have other games scheduled, it would then depend on mutually available dates. Then it depends on whether you have access to a venue. From what I remember, all venues were not available for a big-time opponent we were courting. Bankers Life Fieldhouse, US Aviary, etc, they were all taken on the dates the teams could play. Kentucky has strict stipulations on where they will agree to play neutral court games. If they cant sell 10-15,000 Wildcat tickets, they are going to tell you to take a long walk on a short bridge unless its an exempt tourney. If UD suggested a "less than acceptable" venue, Kentucky might just cancel the talks altogether and end all speculation just on principle. When UD is trying to negotiate a game with a blue blood school, UD is not the one dictating the terms.
__________________

C. M. Rieman | Publisher | 937.361.4630 | Get the latest here:

Reply With Quote
4 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Chris R For This Totally Excellent Post:
OSU Flyer (03-21-2019), UD62 (03-21-2019), UDGutter2 (03-21-2019), Viperstick (03-21-2019)
  #29  
Old 03-21-2019, 01:24 AM
Chris R's Avatar
Chris R Chris R is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 11,086
Thanks: 1,161
Thanked 12,468 Times in 3,638 Posts
Chris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
I wonder if we could get a 2 for 1 out of Belmont
I wouldnt even need a 2 for 1. Id take a 1 for 1. Belmont has won 20+ games like 13 of the last 14 seasons. Trouble is, lots of teams want to play Belmont too that are in the same shoes as Dayton.

Belmont is as good as some of the SEC teams we've scheduled. Im sure we've tried getting Belmont. Takes two to tango. Also depends on what the rest of your schedule looks like when factoring in exempt tournies, predicted travel issues between already scheduled exempted tournies, neutrals like Colorado in Chicago, winter exams, etc. You may want to play the game, they want want to play it, and both have an available date, but the available date is just not practical. December 21st for example would an impractical date for a Belmont road game if we were hosting Auburn at home on Dec. 23rd. Its suicide. These are still 19yr old kids. They need rest and recovery. They cant burn all the gas and then turn around in 36 hours and do it again in a key home game where they are running on fumes when the other team has had 5 days off. You need more scouting time than on the plane ride home from Nashville to give yourself a chance.

So many factors in scheduling. Mere mortals cannot do it. It takes a special kind of crazy to juggle all the variables and make the calls, call the scheduling bluffs, hold out for marquee teams saying yes, hold out on those same marquee teams saying no and then being short on opponents, etc etc. Its poker with millions at stake.
__________________

C. M. Rieman | Publisher | 937.361.4630 | Get the latest here:

Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Chris R For This Totally Excellent Post:
Gazoo (04-30-2019), Widget (03-21-2019)
  #30  
Old 03-21-2019, 01:56 AM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
Its not that easy. If you already have other games scheduled, it would then depend on mutually available dates. Then it depends on whether you have access to a venue. From what I remember, all venues were not available for a big-time opponent we were courting. Bankers Life Fieldhouse, US Aviary, etc, they were all taken on the dates the teams could play. Kentucky has strict stipulations on where they will agree to play neutral court games. If they cant sell 10-15,000 Wildcat tickets, they are going to tell you to take a long walk on a short bridge unless its an exempt tourney. If UD suggested a "less than acceptable" venue, Kentucky might just cancel the talks altogether and end all speculation just on principle. When UD is trying to negotiate a game with a blue blood school, UD is not the one dictating the terms.
LMAO, That's great
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 03-21-2019, 01:59 AM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
I wouldnt even need a 2 for 1. Id take a 1 for 1. Belmont has won 20+ games like 13 of the last 14 seasons. Trouble is, lots of teams want to play Belmont too that are in the same shoes as Dayton.

Belmont is as good as some of the SEC teams we've scheduled. Im sure we've tried getting Belmont. Takes two to tango. Also depends on what the rest of your schedule looks like when factoring in exempt tournies, predicted travel issues between already scheduled exempted tournies, neutrals like Colorado in Chicago, winter exams, etc. You may want to play the game, they want want to play it, and both have an available date, but the available date is just not practical. December 21st for example would an impractical date for a Belmont road game if we were hosting Auburn at home on Dec. 23rd. Its suicide. These are still 19yr old kids. They need rest and recovery. They cant burn all the gas and then turn around in 36 hours and do it again in a key home game where they are running on fumes when the other team has had 5 days off. You need more scouting time than on the plane ride home from Nashville to give yourself a chance.

So many factors in scheduling. Mere mortals cannot do it. It takes a special kind of crazy to juggle all the variables and make the calls, call the scheduling bluffs, hold out for marquee teams saying yes, hold out on those same marquee teams saying no and then being short on opponents, etc etc. Its poker with millions at stake.
I'd be happy be with a H/H as well. Looking at their home schedule over the past couples, Dayton should be a game they'd schedule

I would think if they want to get it done it'd happen.

With the NET factoring in efficiency/margin of victory, it sounds like UD can be less selective about buy game opponents
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 03-21-2019, 09:43 AM
LIBob LIBob is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 284
Thanks: 166
Thanked 266 Times in 107 Posts
LIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud ofLIBob has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by Flyer Dave View Post
And that coming from someone who wants to fire a coach after 2 years.
He is willing to contribute SLUFlyer's $50 to a buy game fund though.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 03-21-2019, 01:02 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
So your grand plan for 15/15 would be to play a 2 for 1 with Belmont and play the 2 there. Can't say I see the logic in that.
My grand plan is anything reasonable that gives the program a chance to grow.

Two games at Belmont would likely mean 2 quad 1 opportunities. A home game would mean a quad 2 opportunity, maybe even an outside chance at a q1 win.

I think that we will struggle to ever get better than a 7 seed again. The A10 is getting weaker and our schedule is staying the same. We will struggle to ever advance past the round of 32. If we are fortunate enough to beat a 10 seed in a toss-up game, we will then be a big long shot to defeat a 2 seed in a 2 vs. 7 round of 32 game.

I would rather play 2 at Belmont than play 4 more buy games, which is what we are talking about. I will never understand your love affair with nearly meaningless buy games.

I hope that you are aware that my "radical" idea has been adopted off and on for years and years now by programs such as Temple, Butler, VCU, Xavier, BYU, Gonzaga, New Mexico, etc. with some of those programs being non-p5 programs that have done a lot better than us through the years. Those programs might not do this every year, but we have literally never done it, not even once. Several of those programs at one point scheduled like that every single year for many consecutive years.

So, what better ideas do you have? It is easy to pick apart other people's ideas without offering any alternative plans of your own.

It sounds like you are totally satisfied with the current model and are totally satisfied with maxing out at a 7 seed and only advancing past the round of 32 2x every 50 years.

So, let's hear it, what bright ideas do you have that are so much better than my ideas?

I'm listening.
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to ud2 For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019), OSU Flyer (03-22-2019)
  #34  
Old 03-21-2019, 01:42 PM
UD62 UD62 is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,315
Thanks: 1,270
Thanked 1,536 Times in 738 Posts
UD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond reputeUD62 has a reputation beyond repute
Actually I do believe that the current mix of H/A games does work. I am not against a 14/16 season if the team we are playing is a real upgrade, Belmont and flavor of the year teams do not in my view make a noticeable improvement. The model of OOC scheduling worked in the RPI era, and I believe the Administration has shown the smarts to adjust as needed to the NET or whever else develops. I also do not believe we are limited to a 7 seed. In the past our OOC RPI was the thing that most years was a strength. Granted the strength, or lack thereof, of the A-10 is also a factor.
The key to performance in the Dance is the quality of the team we put on the floor. AM had one good recruiting class and good fortune in the transfer market, that produced a good run in the Dance. I believe that AG is on the path to putting strong teams on the floor and that will result in success in March.
As a side note I spend my time enjoying the Flyers and the seasons as a whole. I do not spend my time upset or frustrated at what some see as shortcomings in the team, coaching, administration, or whatever else critics are upset about at the time. I understand being critical of events in the short term. But to be constantly complaning about the coach or the schedule year after year, not my thing.
Reply With Quote
3 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to UD62 For This Totally Excellent Post:
John C. (03-21-2019), Lifelong Flyer Fan (03-21-2019), UDGutter2 (03-21-2019)
  #35  
Old 03-21-2019, 01:59 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by UD62 View Post
Actually I do believe that the current mix of H/A games does work. I am not against a 14/16 season if the team we are playing is a real upgrade, Belmont and flavor of the year teams do not in my view make a noticeable improvement. The model of OOC scheduling worked in the RPI era, and I believe the Administration has shown the smarts to adjust as needed to the NET or whever else develops. I also do not believe we are limited to a 7 seed. In the past our OOC RPI was the thing that most years was a strength. Granted the strength, or lack thereof, of the A-10 is also a factor.
The key to performance in the Dance is the quality of the team we put on the floor. AM had one good recruiting class and good fortune in the transfer market, that produced a good run in the Dance. I believe that AG is on the path to putting strong teams on the floor and that will result in success in March.
As a side note I spend my time enjoying the Flyers and the seasons as a whole. I do not spend my time upset or frustrated at what some see as shortcomings in the team, coaching, administration, or whatever else critics are upset about at the time. I understand being critical of events in the short term. But to be constantly complaning about the coach or the schedule year after year, not my thing.
Questions:

1. What makes you think that the model is working?

Years → '84 '85 '90 '00 '03 '04 '09 '14 '15 '16 '17
Seeds 10 9 12 11 4 10 11 11 11 7 7

We have had 1 good opportunity to advance past the round of 32 outside of the 2x that we actually did it. I would like to at least give us a better chance than that more often.


So, your assertion is that we just need even more time. What happens if AG does not advance us past the AM era? Then what? Hope that the next coach is better? We have been doing that since Donoher was fired. Why don't we at least try scheduling a bit differently and see what happens?

2. Have you looked at Belmont's history over the last 13 years? They are anything but the flavor of the month. 42 RPI this year...top 100 11 of the last 13 years...top 81 8 out of the last 13 years.

In the current environment, if we are going to turn our nose up at Belmont, then we will likely never play a better schedule than what we currently play, there are not enough willing opponents if the likes of Belmont is not good enough.



Belmont Bruins RPI History
Season Record RPI Rank SOS Rank
2017-2018 RPI 81
2016-2017 24-9 0.5561 81 0.4920 179
2015-2016 19-11 0.5445 95 0.4927 170
2014-2015 21-10 0.5324 105 0.4703 247
2013-2014 23-9 0.5713 57 0.5049 145
2012-2013 24-6 0.6181 19 0.5413 87
2011-2012 26-7 0.5730 58 0.4859 191
2010-2011 30-4 0.5757 51 0.4587 261
2009-2010 19-12 0.5184 135 0.4760 218
2008-2009 19-12 0.5184 124 0.4763 216
2007-2008 24-8 0.5517 79 0.4733 229


2006-2007 22-9 0.5284 116 0.4573 262
2005-2006 20-10 0.5271 115 0.4654 239
2004-2005 14-16 0.4747 204 0.4787 203
2003-2004 20-8 0.5471 85 0.4914 169
2002-2003 16-12 0.5068 143 0.4853 183
2001-2002 11-17 0.4719 206 0.4983 149
2000-2001 10-15 0.4214 270 0.4285 310
1999-2000 4-20 0.4171 277 0.5005 152

Last edited by ud2; 03-21-2019 at 02:15 PM..
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to ud2 For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019)
  #36  
Old 03-21-2019, 02:25 PM
cj's Avatar
cj cj is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 6,708
Thanks: 2,891
Thanked 3,879 Times in 2,027 Posts
cj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond reputecj has a reputation beyond repute
A lot of scheduling info is disseminated on UDPride Plus when the information becomes available. If you are so sure of your model schedule a sit down with Neil.
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 03-21-2019, 02:39 PM
John C.'s Avatar
John C. John C. is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,209
Thanks: 697
Thanked 2,078 Times in 466 Posts
John C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond reputeJohn C. has a reputation beyond repute
I am just glad the season is over so we can start talking about scheduling more road games. I have really missed that for the last few months.
Reply With Quote
5 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to John C. For This Totally Excellent Post:
flyerfanatic86 (03-22-2019), Glen Clark (03-22-2019), Lifelong Flyer Fan (03-21-2019), longtimefan (03-21-2019), UD62 (03-21-2019)
  #38  
Old 03-21-2019, 06:03 PM
Chris R's Avatar
Chris R Chris R is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 11,086
Thanks: 1,161
Thanked 12,468 Times in 3,638 Posts
Chris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond reputeChris R has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I hope that you are aware that my "radical" idea has been adopted off and on for years and years now by programs such as Temple, Butler, VCU, Xavier, BYU, Gonzaga, New Mexico, etc. with some of those programs being non-p5 programs that have done a lot better than us through the years. Those programs might not do this every year, but we have literally never done it, not even once. Several of those programs at one point scheduled like that every single year for many consecutive years.
If these programs scheduled accordingly, why didn't they stick with it? It was working too well? That you admit its been tried off and on underscores just how hit or miss the results of those attempts were. Were it the panacea, everyone would be doing it.

The UD basketball office has 20 years of aggregate metrics that show precisely what the resume' must look like for a non Power school to receive an at-large bid into the dance. Goes something like 23 wins, 3 Top-50 wins, 7 Top-100 wins, .500 on the road, no quad 4 losses, Top-3 in the conference, Top-90 SOS, Top-60 non Con SOS, etc. You do these things and your chances of making the NCAAs is like well over 90%.

However, the number of non Power schools that got in with 18-13 records is next to zero. SOS means nothing if you dont win games. Its easier to reach the requirements I highlighted above than convincing all those teams you want on the schedule to play Dayton and somehow get Dayton in the NCAAs as an 18-13 team. Scheduling tough teams is harder than winning 23 games against less tough teams. That said, Dayton wants to still schedule tough. But a game only happens when the other program wants to play it as much or more than you do. By the time you rule out nearly all of the ACC, Big10, all Big East schools, Big12, and PAC12, you're left with just a handful with any interest whatsoever. They have no reason to be interested -- 2/3rds of their schedule can punch their ticket every year -- their own Power league.

And its not easy to get BYU and Belmont to play Dayton either. Imagine having to pay the Belmonts of the world to get them on the schedule moving forward -- paying them to play us at UD Arena and then receiving $0 to play them on their home court for the return game. We've already had to do that. Thats how desperate scheduling has become.

If anyone knows of a way to get the Big10/ACC on the schedule, Neil's phone is awaiting your call. Exempt tourneys and neutral court games are the one card we can still play -- largely because of our fan base's ability to sell tickets anywhere in the country -- or out of it.

Regardless, the last couple seasons UD's non-con schedule hasnt gotten in the way of anything. The A10 has dramatically underperformed. That's where SOS took a beatdown. The A10 was barely over .500 this year in the non-con. It needs to be close to .700 in every non-con. The A10 is 2/3rds of our schedule. That's where fans should be most concerned. The bottom 4-6 teams in this league every year are boat anchors -- boat anchors the bottom 1/3 of all other major leagues dont have. The A10 has always been a top-heavy, bottom-light kind of conference. Haves and have-nots to the extreme. What other league has a UD Arena and a Rose Hill and Tom Gola gym juxatposed? UD spends as much of more time lobbying to get the rest of the league to improve and schedule their own non-con accordingly to win .700 as they do their own schedule because its self-serving. Sometimes the other schools listen, sometimes they dont.
__________________

C. M. Rieman | Publisher | 937.361.4630 | Get the latest here:

Reply With Quote
12 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Chris R For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019), flyerfanatic86 (03-22-2019), fuz_forward (03-22-2019), Gazoo (04-30-2019), JimBo (03-22-2019), John C. (03-21-2019), longtimefan (03-22-2019), m21eagle45 (03-22-2019), Runnin' Rebel (03-22-2019), SeasonTicketFan (03-21-2019), Sid Louick (03-22-2019), UDGutter2 (03-21-2019)
  #39  
Old 03-21-2019, 07:12 PM
kenstand kenstand is offline
Just off the Jet
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 11
Thanks: 2
Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts
kenstand is on a distinguished road
How many good games could be scheduled with teams within 200 miles of Dayton? UK, Cincinnati, X, WV, OSU. Okay in reality how about Butler, Murray State, Western Ky, Miami, NKU, WSU, (most MAC schools). I also think a Holiday Invitational would work with just these schools inviting 4 teams each year.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 03-21-2019, 09:16 PM
NCkevi's Avatar
NCkevi NCkevi is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,067
Thanks: 327
Thanked 2,692 Times in 1,105 Posts
NCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond reputeNCkevi has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by kenstand View Post
How many good games could be scheduled with teams within 200 miles of Dayton? UK, Cincinnati, X, WV, OSU. Okay in reality how about Butler, Murray State, Western Ky, Miami, NKU, WSU, (most MAC schools). I also think a Holiday Invitational would work with just these schools inviting 4 teams each year.
If you asked how many good games could realistically be scheduled you would get a very different answer (also not sure how you are defining good as it has been a decade since Miami had a winning record)
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to NCkevi For This Totally Excellent Post:
m21eagle45 (03-22-2019)
  #41  
Old 03-21-2019, 10:10 PM
Flyerferd Flyerferd is offline
1st Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 184
Thanks: 0
Thanked 87 Times in 53 Posts
Flyerferd is a splendid one to beholdFlyerferd is a splendid one to beholdFlyerferd is a splendid one to beholdFlyerferd is a splendid one to beholdFlyerferd is a splendid one to beholdFlyerferd is a splendid one to beholdFlyerferd is a splendid one to beholdFlyerferd is a splendid one to behold
Using a combination of what we currently do and what I would like to see us do, I would be happy with the following.
What we know,
Three games in Hawaii. We control our own destiny. We win our first game, we get at least one if not two great opponents on a neutral floor. Colorado in Chicago Probably post finals, so weekend before Christmas.. assuming this tournament works like last years, we have one game as part of the Maui invitational we don’t know about yet which essentially functions as a buy game at home. So realistically, we have eight games to work with. With that in mind, Home game against a Mac opponent, Northern Kentucky, Belmont, beginning of a home and home with somebody in a power five, more than likely SEC. Probably due to play Vanderbilt or Missouri. And then four games we have to schedule for revenue generation purposes. There it is folks. Happy 2019!
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 03-22-2019, 09:38 AM
hawkoooo's Avatar
hawkoooo hawkoooo is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 1,592
Thanks: 530
Thanked 860 Times in 439 Posts
hawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond repute
Bummer, I thought this thread was going to be about what next year's schedule is.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to hawkoooo For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer68 (03-22-2019)
  #43  
Old 03-22-2019, 10:02 AM
Radar Radar is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,541
Thanks: 1,621
Thanked 1,725 Times in 824 Posts
Radar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
The A10 has dramatically underperformed. That's where SOS took a beatdown. The A10 was barely over .500 this year in the non-con. It needs to be close to .700 in every non-con. The A10 is 2/3rds of our schedule. That's where fans should be most concerned. The bottom 4-6 teams in this league every year are boat anchors -- boat anchors the bottom 1/3 of all other major leagues dont have. The A10 has always been a top-heavy, bottom-light kind of conference. Haves and have-nots to the extreme. What other league has a UD Arena and a Rose Hill and Tom Gola gym juxatposed? UD spends as much of more time lobbying to get the rest of the league to improve and schedule their own non-con accordingly to win .700 as they do their own schedule because its self-serving. Sometimes the other schools listen, sometimes they dont.
Precisely why it is a horrible conference for UD.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to Radar For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019)
  #44  
Old 03-22-2019, 10:08 AM
CE80's Avatar
CE80 CE80 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,754
Thanks: 4,803
Thanked 5,434 Times in 2,687 Posts
CE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond repute
How come we don't play Athletes in Action any more?
__________________
Winner 2018 UD Pride NCAA Tournament Bracket Pool
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 03-22-2019, 10:49 AM
TA111 TA111 is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 4,002
Thanks: 1,651
Thanked 2,398 Times in 1,247 Posts
TA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond reputeTA111 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
How come we don't play Athletes in Action any more?
As I understand it, the preseason “scrimmage” has taken the place of the first exhibition game which we often times used against AIA.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 03-22-2019, 12:09 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
How come we don't play Athletes in Action any more?
NCAA outlawed playing non NCAA teams after there was some scandal paying one of them that was tied to a AAU team as a back door way of paying for paying/influencing recruits

I think it was UConn
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019)
  #47  
Old 03-22-2019, 12:11 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
If these programs scheduled accordingly, why didn't they stick with it? It was working too well? That you admit its been tried off and on underscores just how hit or miss the results of those attempts were. Were it the panacea, everyone would be doing it.

The UD basketball office has 20 years of aggregate metrics that show precisely what the resume' must look like for a non Power school to receive an at-large bid into the dance. Goes something like 23 wins, 3 Top-50 wins, 7 Top-100 wins, .500 on the road, no quad 4 losses, Top-3 in the conference, Top-90 SOS, Top-60 non Con SOS, etc. You do these things and your chances of making the NCAAs is like well over 90%.

However, the number of non Power schools that got in with 18-13 records is next to zero. SOS means nothing if you dont win games. Its easier to reach the requirements I highlighted above than convincing all those teams you want on the schedule to play Dayton and somehow get Dayton in the NCAAs as an 18-13 team. Scheduling tough teams is harder than winning 23 games against less tough teams. That said, Dayton wants to still schedule tough. But a game only happens when the other program wants to play it as much or more than you do. By the time you rule out nearly all of the ACC, Big10, all Big East schools, Big12, and PAC12, you're left with just a handful with any interest whatsoever. They have no reason to be interested -- 2/3rds of their schedule can punch their ticket every year -- their own Power league.

And its not easy to get BYU and Belmont to play Dayton either. Imagine having to pay the Belmonts of the world to get them on the schedule moving forward -- paying them to play us at UD Arena and then receiving $0 to play them on their home court for the return game. We've already had to do that. Thats how desperate scheduling has become.

If anyone knows of a way to get the Big10/ACC on the schedule, Neil's phone is awaiting your call. Exempt tourneys and neutral court games are the one card we can still play -- largely because of our fan base's ability to sell tickets anywhere in the country -- or out of it.

Regardless, the last couple seasons UD's non-con schedule hasnt gotten in the way of anything. The A10 has dramatically underperformed. That's where SOS took a beatdown. The A10 was barely over .500 this year in the non-con. It needs to be close to .700 in every non-con. The A10 is 2/3rds of our schedule. That's where fans should be most concerned. The bottom 4-6 teams in this league every year are boat anchors -- boat anchors the bottom 1/3 of all other major leagues dont have. The A10 has always been a top-heavy, bottom-light kind of conference. Haves and have-nots to the extreme. What other league has a UD Arena and a Rose Hill and Tom Gola gym juxatposed? UD spends as much of more time lobbying to get the rest of the league to improve and schedule their own non-con accordingly to win .700 as they do their own schedule because its self-serving. Sometimes the other schools listen, sometimes they dont.
Belmont played Wisconsin-Green Bay, Illinois State, Samford and Kennesaw State H/H this year so I would think UD would have a chance
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
ud2 (03-23-2019)
  #48  
Old 03-22-2019, 12:22 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
A10 H/H wise, I hope the league drops Fordham as a H/H partner for Davidson and UMass for UD and puts Davidson/Dayton as a H/H
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
MrFlyerFanatic (03-22-2019)
  #49  
Old 03-22-2019, 12:42 PM
CT Flyer CT Flyer is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,570
Thanks: 2,391
Thanked 1,016 Times in 574 Posts
CT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
I think it was UConn
Surprise, surprise!
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 03-22-2019, 02:35 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
Surprise, surprise!
I think basically an AAU coach threw together a team for one of these exhibitions to collect the guarantee
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 03-22-2019, 02:51 PM
longtimefan longtimefan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,440
Thanks: 2,851
Thanked 5,510 Times in 2,502 Posts
longtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by hawkoooo View Post
Bummer, I thought this thread was going to be about what next year's schedule is.

We don't know much about it yet, other than Maui and Colorado. I'm assuming Auburn and Mississippi State are gone, so we will need a couple new home-and-homes. It will be interesting to see who Neil can get.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
Flyer 86 (03-22-2019)
  #52  
Old 03-22-2019, 02:55 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
We don't know much about it yet, other than Maui and Colorado. I'm assuming Auburn and Mississippi State are gone, so we will need a couple new home-and-homes. It will be interesting to see who Neil can get.
Howland for MSU said in a paper down there he wanted no part of Dayton again
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 03-23-2019, 10:33 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by cj View Post
A lot of scheduling info is disseminated on UDPride Plus when the information becomes available. If you are so sure of your model schedule a sit down with Neil.
Posted via Mobile Device
Fine. What is his phone number?
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 03-23-2019, 10:42 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
If these programs scheduled accordingly, why didn't they stick with it? It was working too well? That you admit its been tried off and on underscores just how hit or miss the results of those attempts were. Were it the panacea, everyone would be doing it.

The UD basketball office has 20 years of aggregate metrics that show precisely what the resume' must look like for a non Power school to receive an at-large bid into the dance. Goes something like 23 wins, 3 Top-50 wins, 7 Top-100 wins, .500 on the road, no quad 4 losses, Top-3 in the conference, Top-90 SOS, Top-60 non Con SOS, etc. You do these things and your chances of making the NCAAs is like well over 90%.

However, the number of non Power schools that got in with 18-13 records is next to zero. SOS means nothing if you dont win games. Its easier to reach the requirements I highlighted above than convincing all those teams you want on the schedule to play Dayton and somehow get Dayton in the NCAAs as an 18-13 team. Scheduling tough teams is harder than winning 23 games against less tough teams. That said, Dayton wants to still schedule tough. But a game only happens when the other program wants to play it as much or more than you do. By the time you rule out nearly all of the ACC, Big10, all Big East schools, Big12, and PAC12, you're left with just a handful with any interest whatsoever. They have no reason to be interested -- 2/3rds of their schedule can punch their ticket every year -- their own Power league.

And its not easy to get BYU and Belmont to play Dayton either. Imagine having to pay the Belmonts of the world to get them on the schedule moving forward -- paying them to play us at UD Arena and then receiving $0 to play them on their home court for the return game. We've already had to do that. Thats how desperate scheduling has become.

If anyone knows of a way to get the Big10/ACC on the schedule, Neil's phone is awaiting your call. Exempt tourneys and neutral court games are the one card we can still play -- largely because of our fan base's ability to sell tickets anywhere in the country -- or out of it.

Regardless, the last couple seasons UD's non-con schedule hasnt gotten in the way of anything. The A10 has dramatically underperformed. That's where SOS took a beatdown. The A10 was barely over .500 this year in the non-con. It needs to be close to .700 in every non-con. The A10 is 2/3rds of our schedule. That's where fans should be most concerned. The bottom 4-6 teams in this league every year are boat anchors -- boat anchors the bottom 1/3 of all other major leagues dont have. The A10 has always been a top-heavy, bottom-light kind of conference. Haves and have-nots to the extreme. What other league has a UD Arena and a Rose Hill and Tom Gola gym juxatposed? UD spends as much of more time lobbying to get the rest of the league to improve and schedule their own non-con accordingly to win .700 as they do their own schedule because its self-serving. Sometimes the other schools listen, sometimes they dont.
They did stick with it. Several of these schools did this several years in a row, what more proof do you need?

I have acknowledged that things are getting harder in this area, so that may explain the off and on part, but that does not explain then why we did not hop onto this train when the getting was good like everybody else did. We just sat there and did nothing when everybody else started upgrading their ooc schedules.

Again, we have literally never, not even once, done this. Several other schools have done this several times.

If we had just done this even once, then I could maybe buy some of the various excuses used on here, but the fact that we have never done this makes those excuses ring very hallow.

In addition, some schools like Butler and Xavier moved on to better leagues and no longer need as many of these games like we still do. With the A10 declining on an annual basis, we are quickly moving into a situation where we will need even more of these games just to keep pace and not fall even further behind.

Last edited by ud2; 03-23-2019 at 10:47 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 03-23-2019, 12:13 PM
Radar Radar is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,541
Thanks: 1,621
Thanked 1,725 Times in 824 Posts
Radar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond reputeRadar has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Howland for MSU said in a paper down there he wanted no part of Dayton again
...or Liberty
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to Radar For This Totally Excellent Post:
Lifelong Flyer Fan (03-23-2019), redbengal (03-23-2019)
  #56  
Old 03-23-2019, 02:54 PM
Lifelong Flyer Fan Lifelong Flyer Fan is offline
Brigadier General
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,531
Thanks: 4,915
Thanked 3,876 Times in 1,386 Posts
Lifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond reputeLifelong Flyer Fan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
Fine. What is his phone number?
https://daytonflyers.com/staff.aspx
Phone and email top of the staff list.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 03-23-2019, 09:21 PM
sheg's Avatar
sheg sheg is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,328
Thanks: 375
Thanked 1,210 Times in 468 Posts
sheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond reputesheg has a reputation beyond repute
Non-conference scheduling has generally not been Dayton's weakness the last twenty years. Not that it couldn't be marginally better. Playing like world beaters in non-con then ****ting the bed vs the dregs of the A10 has been, most years. That has really only not been the case the last six years.
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 04-29-2019, 02:11 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
for ud2:

West Virginia's OOC

13 games: 3 road, 3 neutral


https://wvusports.com/news/2019/4/29...announced.aspx
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
ud2 (04-29-2019)
  #59  
Old 04-29-2019, 03:03 PM
Flyers98 Flyers98 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 207
Thanks: 109
Thanked 281 Times in 104 Posts
Flyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Viperstick View Post
If this guy isn’t blowing smoke, that’s a head scratcher. If a program like UK offers a neutral court game, you find a way to make it happen.

Play it at Cincy Gardens, play it at Colerain HS, play it on a playground in Cheviot. Just play it...
Sorry I just can't imagine that is true.

1). UK, like any other power 5 program has absolutely no incentive to play UD. Win and its a game you should have won, lose and its a bad loss, (even when it isn't). Take the home court revenue off the table and there is 0 reason for UK to play this game.


2). I imagine the conversation with the manager of any neutral arena would have gone something like this

Us: "hey would you guys be interested in hosting a neutral site game between Kentucky and..."

Them: "yes"
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 04-29-2019, 03:13 PM
Flyers98 Flyers98 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 207
Thanks: 109
Thanked 281 Times in 104 Posts
Flyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
Howland for MSU said in a paper down there he wanted no part of Dayton again
Nobody wants any part of Dayton and it isn't because of our arena or our fans. It is because they don't know what they are going to get. 5 years ago when you scheduled an OOC game against Xavier or Butler, you knew you might lose but you knew you might lose to a top 20 team.

When you schedule UD you know you are going to get a tough game, it just might be against a quad 3 school. UD has neither the sustained track record of success, (in the last half century), nor the name recognition to be an attractive game to P5 schools. They want to know that they are going in win by 30 or if they lose, that it will be a "good loss", UD can't offer either of those things currently.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to Flyers98 For This Totally Excellent Post:
OSU Flyer (04-29-2019)
  #61  
Old 04-29-2019, 03:24 PM
CT Flyer CT Flyer is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,570
Thanks: 2,391
Thanked 1,016 Times in 574 Posts
CT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Flyers98 View Post
Nobody wants any part of Dayton and it isn't because of our arena or our fans. It is because they don't know what they are going to get. 5 years ago when you scheduled an OOC game against Xavier or Butler, you knew you might lose but you knew you might lose to a top 20 team.

When you schedule UD you know you are going to get a tough game, it just might be against a quad 3 school. UD has neither the sustained track record of success, (in the last half century), nor the name recognition to be an attractive game to P5 schools. They want to know that they are going in win by 30 or if they lose, that it will be a "good loss", UD can't offer either of those things currently.
I get it and agree for the most part but how is URI picking up P5 games? They have a lot less of a sustained track record than us nor the name recognition but will most likely be a tough game that could also end up being a quad 3 school.
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 04-29-2019, 03:43 PM
Smitty10's Avatar
Smitty10 Smitty10 is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,361
Thanks: 1,107
Thanked 2,457 Times in 1,294 Posts
Smitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond reputeSmitty10 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
I get it and agree for the most part but how is URI picking up P5 games? They have a lot less of a sustained track record than us nor the name recognition but will most likely be a tough game that could also end up being a quad 3 school.
UD Arena has developed a national reputation of being a very tough place to play. Much more so than URI. Whether it's true that playing UD at the Arena is more difficult doesn't really matter, perception is everything.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 04-29-2019, 04:12 PM
longtimefan longtimefan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,440
Thanks: 2,851
Thanked 5,510 Times in 2,502 Posts
longtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
I get it and agree for the most part but how is URI picking up P5 games? They have a lot less of a sustained track record than us nor the name recognition but will most likely be a tough game that could also end up being a quad 3 school.

I haven't paid much attention to Rhode Island's schedule. Who have they been able to get at home better than teams like Mississippi State, Auburn, Saint Mary's, Alabama, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Seton Hall, Mississippi, and Georgia Tech?
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
San Diego Flyer (04-30-2019)
  #64  
Old 04-29-2019, 04:20 PM
Flyers98 Flyers98 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 207
Thanks: 109
Thanked 281 Times in 104 Posts
Flyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
I haven't paid much attention to Rhode Island's schedule. Who have they been able to get at home better than teams like Mississippi State, Auburn, Saint Mary's, Alabama, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Seton Hall, Mississippi, and Georgia Tech?
As much as we might hate to admit it, I would argue that URI probably has better name recognition than UD as it relates to the last 20 years or so nationwide.

I mean we got hot and went to an Elite 8, that doesn't last forever especially when you don't do anything to follow it up, (winning two home games in the tourney the following year doesn't count, especially when one of them was a First Four game).
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 04-29-2019, 04:21 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
I get it and agree for the most part but how is URI picking up P5 games? They have a lot less of a sustained track record than us nor the name recognition but will most likely be a tough game that could also end up being a quad 3 school.
Maryland although not stated I'm 100% sure is a game where they're getting "bought" and not getting a return game

West Virginia was a neutral (same Connecticut casino last Dec. right before our game) and home

Huggins has historically recruited NYC and this gets them a game relatively in the area. Plus with Putnam Science Academy, Woodstock Academy and all the basketball factory schools in the state it gets them potentially in front of recruits
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 04-29-2019, 04:32 PM
CE80's Avatar
CE80 CE80 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,754
Thanks: 4,803
Thanked 5,434 Times in 2,687 Posts
CE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond reputeCE80 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
for ud2:

West Virginia's OOC

13 games: 3 road, 3 neutral


https://wvusports.com/news/2019/4/29...announced.aspx
What I think is interesting is that they can announce their non-conference schedule now. When will UD be ready for any announcement? September?
__________________
Winner 2018 UD Pride NCAA Tournament Bracket Pool
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to CE80 For This Totally Excellent Post:
ud2 (04-30-2019)
  #67  
Old 04-29-2019, 04:36 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
What I think is interesting is that they can announce their non-conference schedule now. When will UD be ready for any announcement? September?
So much of their schedule is baked in the cake so to speak and they don't even have to think about it

SEC/Big 12 challenge, Big East Big 12 Challenge, exempt tourney

Rhode Island, Pitt & Youngstown State games were part of series that started last year
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 04-29-2019, 04:40 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Dayton is hurt by the fact that SW Ohio isn't a strategic recruiting area or alumni base for many programs

How does Davidson get a home and neutral in Charlotte with North Carolina? Steph Curry? Their Elite 8 run?

Charlotte is the biggest city for ACC alumni in the country, the NBA arena their playing the game is often times host NCAA games and there's a ton of high school talent in the metro area
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 04-29-2019, 05:06 PM
longtimefan longtimefan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,440
Thanks: 2,851
Thanked 5,510 Times in 2,502 Posts
longtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Flyers98 View Post
As much as we might hate to admit it, I would argue that URI probably has better name recognition than UD as it relates to the last 20 years or so nationwide.

I mean we got hot and went to an Elite 8, that doesn't last forever especially when you don't do anything to follow it up, (winning two home games in the tourney the following year doesn't count, especially when one of them was a First Four game).

Not sure about that. Rhode Island has won two NCAA games in the last 20 years. And the game in Columbus was not a home game. You must have been brainwashed by Ed Cooley.
Reply With Quote
5 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
CT Flyer (04-29-2019), JimBo (04-29-2019), redbengal (04-29-2019), SLUFLYER (04-29-2019), UD62 (04-29-2019)
  #70  
Old 04-29-2019, 05:46 PM
CT Flyer CT Flyer is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,570
Thanks: 2,391
Thanked 1,016 Times in 574 Posts
CT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Flyers98 View Post
As much as we might hate to admit it, I would argue that URI probably has better name recognition than UD as it relates to the last 20 years or so nationwide.

I mean we got hot and went to an Elite 8, that doesn't last forever especially when you don't do anything to follow it up, (winning two home games in the tourney the following year doesn't count, especially when one of them was a First Four game).
URI went to the tournament in 2017 and 2018 and hadn't been since 1999 before that...not sure where that name recognition came from???
Reply With Quote
3 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to CT Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
JimBo (04-29-2019), m21eagle45 (04-29-2019), SLUFLYER (04-29-2019)
  #71  
Old 04-29-2019, 05:59 PM
SLUFLYER SLUFLYER is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,950
Thanks: 1,352
Thanked 1,103 Times in 541 Posts
SLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond reputeSLUFLYER has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by CT Flyer View Post
URI went to the tournament in 2017 and 2018 and hadn't been since 1999 before that...not sure where that name recognition came from???
Dayton went in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, not to mention 2000, 2003, 2004 and 2009 (all AFTER RI's previous NCAAt in 1999). Add in Dayton's Elite 8 run and that's worth a couple of years of missing the tournament in name recognition.

You can't even make a reasonable case that RI has more name recognition than UD, it's so disparate over the last 20 years.

Flyer98, can you share the basis or perception of your name recognition comment? I've removed my rosy, red glasses and simply just looking at performance. Please help me understand.
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to SLUFLYER For This Totally Excellent Post:
CT Flyer (04-30-2019), JimBo (04-29-2019)
  #72  
Old 04-29-2019, 10:38 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
for ud2:

West Virginia's OOC

13 games: 3 road, 3 neutral


https://wvusports.com/news/2019/4/29...announced.aspx
This is the first time that I have heard of this Big East/Big 12 series, I must have missed/forgot about that announcement.
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 04-29-2019, 10:40 PM
ud69's Avatar
ud69 ud69 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,642
Thanks: 2,022
Thanked 4,683 Times in 2,086 Posts
ud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond reputeud69 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Flyers98 View Post
Nobody wants any part of Dayton and it isn't because of our arena or our fans. It is because they don't know what they are going to get. 5 years ago when you scheduled an OOC game against Xavier or Butler, you knew you might lose but you knew you might lose to a top 20 team.

When you schedule UD you know you are going to get a tough game, it just might be against a quad 3 school. UD has neither the sustained track record of success, (in the last half century), nor the name recognition to be an attractive game to P5 schools. They want to know that they are going in win by 30 or if they lose, that it will be a "good loss", UD can't offer either of those things currently.

When was Dayton a quad 3 school?
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 04-29-2019, 11:25 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
This is the first time that I have heard of this Big East/Big 12 series, I must have missed/forgot about that announcement.
I might have forgotten to post it in the scheduling theory thread

@JonRothstein

Seton Hall's non-conference schedule for 19-20:

MTE: Battle 4 Atlantis (3)
HOME: Maryland, Gavitt Games
AWAY: at Rutgers, at Saint Louis, at Iowa State (Big East-Big 12)

Eight quality tests before a league game. Scheduling; the second most important part of any program.


3 road, 3 neutral for Seton Hall
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
ud2 (04-30-2019)
  #75  
Old 04-30-2019, 07:41 AM
Flyers98 Flyers98 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 207
Thanks: 109
Thanked 281 Times in 104 Posts
Flyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
Dayton went in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017, not to mention 2000, 2003, 2004 and 2009 (all AFTER RI's previous NCAAt in 1999). Add in Dayton's Elite 8 run and that's worth a couple of years of missing the tournament in name recognition.

You can't even make a reasonable case that RI has more name recognition than UD, it's so disparate over the last 20 years.

Flyer98, can you share the basis or perception of your name recognition comment? I've removed my rosy, red glasses and simply just looking at performance. Please help me understand.
It wasn’t a scientific statement. It’s an opinion. I think if you got 100 college basketball fans (current fans) together and polled them there is more national recognition for URI than UD. Doesn’t mean they are better or worse just that nationally their name travels better. The data is what the data is but it isn’t a data driven measurement. You can say “but we did this and that and they did that and this,” but it’s just about name recognition. Dayton was better than Indiana and UCLA last year (and probably for the last 5 years), but you wouldn’t think of having that argument. Heck I can remember two years in the last 5 where UCLA got in the tourney based on name alone, Syracuse too I believe.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to Flyers98 For This Totally Excellent Post:
rollo (04-30-2019)
  #76  
Old 04-30-2019, 07:55 AM
rollo's Avatar
rollo rollo is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: BigOilPlex
Posts: 13,839
Thanks: 13,604
Thanked 12,700 Times in 5,638 Posts
rollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond reputerollo has a reputation beyond repute
As long as My Team is referred to as 'Dayton University' by announcers and recruits, we are behind the 8-ball with respect to National recognition and respect.

Unless, of course, URI suddenly becomes UIR or UCLA becomes ULAC...in which case it's a push.
__________________
I beat CE80 in the 2019 UD Pride NCAA Tournament Bracket Pool!
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Old 04-30-2019, 09:57 AM
Gazoo's Avatar
Gazoo Gazoo is offline
General
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,037
Thanks: 3,503
Thanked 3,835 Times in 1,691 Posts
Gazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Chris R View Post
If these programs scheduled accordingly, why didn't they stick with it? It was working too well? That you admit its been tried off and on underscores just how hit or miss the results of those attempts were. Were it the panacea, everyone would be doing it.

The UD basketball office has 20 years of aggregate metrics that show precisely what the resume' must look like for a non Power school to receive an at-large bid into the dance. Goes something like 23 wins, 3 Top-50 wins, 7 Top-100 wins, .500 on the road, no quad 4 losses, Top-3 in the conference, Top-90 SOS, Top-60 non Con SOS, etc. You do these things and your chances of making the NCAAs is like well over 90%.

However, the number of non Power schools that got in with 18-13 records is next to zero. SOS means nothing if you dont win games. Its easier to reach the requirements I highlighted above than convincing all those teams you want on the schedule to play Dayton and somehow get Dayton in the NCAAs as an 18-13 team. Scheduling tough teams is harder than winning 23 games against less tough teams. That said, Dayton wants to still schedule tough. But a game only happens when the other program wants to play it as much or more than you do. By the time you rule out nearly all of the ACC, Big10, all Big East schools, Big12, and PAC12, you're left with just a handful with any interest whatsoever. They have no reason to be interested -- 2/3rds of their schedule can punch their ticket every year -- their own Power league.

And its not easy to get BYU and Belmont to play Dayton either. Imagine having to pay the Belmonts of the world to get them on the schedule moving forward -- paying them to play us at UD Arena and then receiving $0 to play them on their home court for the return game. We've already had to do that. Thats how desperate scheduling has become.

If anyone knows of a way to get the Big10/ACC on the schedule, Neil's phone is awaiting your call. Exempt tourneys and neutral court games are the one card we can still play -- largely because of our fan base's ability to sell tickets anywhere in the country -- or out of it.

Regardless, the last couple seasons UD's non-con schedule hasnt gotten in the way of anything. The A10 has dramatically underperformed. That's where SOS took a beatdown. The A10 was barely over .500 this year in the non-con. It needs to be close to .700 in every non-con. The A10 is 2/3rds of our schedule. That's where fans should be most concerned. The bottom 4-6 teams in this league every year are boat anchors -- boat anchors the bottom 1/3 of all other major leagues dont have. The A10 has always been a top-heavy, bottom-light kind of conference. Haves and have-nots to the extreme. What other league has a UD Arena and a Rose Hill and Tom Gola gym juxatposed? UD spends as much of more time lobbying to get the rest of the league to improve and schedule their own non-con accordingly to win .700 as they do their own schedule because its self-serving. Sometimes the other schools listen, sometimes they dont.
Chris, I could be totally wrong, but it always seems to me that the UD admin's strategy is to take the safe route. The safe route will give you the greatest chance of getting in the tournament, but a very low chance of getting a great seed (barring the incredibly improbable 30 win season).



I'm not saying that's wrong. Would you rather be a 7-10 seed in 4 out of 7 years, or a 3 seed once every 20 years? I think I'd rather be in the dance more often.
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 04-30-2019, 10:02 AM
CT Flyer CT Flyer is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,570
Thanks: 2,391
Thanked 1,016 Times in 574 Posts
CT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeCT Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by rollo View Post
As long as My Team is referred to as 'Dayton University' by announcers and recruits, we are behind the 8-ball with respect to National recognition and respect.

Unless, of course, URI suddenly becomes UIR or UCLA becomes ULAC...in which case it's a push.
I live in Rhode Island and have heard URI referred to as Rhode Island College, which is a D3 school about three minutes from my house. At least we haven't been referred to as Sinclair yet.
Reply With Quote
2 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to CT Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
rollo (04-30-2019), UD62 (04-30-2019)
  #79  
Old 04-30-2019, 10:31 AM
San Diego Flyer's Avatar
San Diego Flyer San Diego Flyer is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Dallas
Posts: 13,646
Thanks: 8,277
Thanked 9,333 Times in 4,165 Posts
San Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Lamar Odom is the gift that keeps on giving for " Rhode Island University". His successes at the U and the NBA made them embrace him as the face of the U, just as years later his epic failures as a human being, ridiculous and pitiful decline in the NBA, bilking millions using his past success as he went in the tank made them wish he had not attended the U.

Punctuated by his 30 day marriage to a Kardashian, and finally a $70k visit to a brothel for a week, made his sorry life's journey headlines for the hundredth time.

As they say in shoe biz, any publicity is welcome. Until it isn't.

URI = Lamar Odom= Jim Harrick
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 04-30-2019, 11:05 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
URI = Lamar Odom= Jim Harrick
They have had a good run of well-known, successful head coaches: Tom Penders, Al Skinner, Jim Harrick, and Danny Hurley.

That helps with name recognition and brand recognition.
Reply With Quote
  #81  
Old 04-30-2019, 11:19 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Smitty10 View Post
UD Arena has developed a national reputation of being a very tough place to play. Much more so than URI. Whether it's true that playing UD at the Arena is more difficult doesn't really matter, perception is everything.
Per Kenpom, some of that looks to be true, as we are #26 in home court advantage at +3.9 points per game, but #235 Central Michigan has a hca of +2.9, only 1 point lower, so it appears that our hca is not all that significant vs. everybody else's IMO.

#1, Louisiana Tech, is +4.5...dead last, #353 Canisius, is +1.6.

But, URI is +3.5, #80, so it is basically a wash when comparing the hca of UD vs. URI.

And BTW, Colorado is #2 at +4.5, that high altitude appears to make a difference.

Last edited by ud2; 04-30-2019 at 11:27 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 04-30-2019, 12:01 PM
San Diego Flyer's Avatar
San Diego Flyer San Diego Flyer is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Dallas
Posts: 13,646
Thanks: 8,277
Thanked 9,333 Times in 4,165 Posts
San Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
They have had a good run of well-known, successful head coaches: Tom Penders, Al Skinner, Jim Harrick, and Danny Hurley.

That helps with name recognition and brand recognition.
Penders, Skinner, and Hurley did things the ethical way. Not so much the other guy who left a lot of debris in his wake wherever he went.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to San Diego Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
CT Flyer (04-30-2019)
  #83  
Old 04-30-2019, 12:03 PM
ClaytonFlyerFan's Avatar
ClaytonFlyerFan ClaytonFlyerFan is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,706
Thanks: 5,545
Thanked 5,370 Times in 2,188 Posts
ClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond reputeClaytonFlyerFan has a reputation beyond repute
After reading the update today in the DDN on arena construction and the 50 year anniversary, what are the odds we have Bowling Green at the arena for our game to celebrate the new grand opening?

I would bet a cold one they are here next season.

Last edited by ClaytonFlyerFan; 04-30-2019 at 12:07 PM..
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to ClaytonFlyerFan For This Totally Excellent Post:
jack72 (04-30-2019)
  #84  
Old 04-30-2019, 12:32 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
After reading the update today in the DDN on arena construction and the 50 year anniversary, what are the odds we have Bowling Green at the arena for our game to celebrate the new grand opening?

I would bet a cold one they are here next season.
BG should be in the top 2 preseason for the MAC next year so that would be a good game to get
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 04-30-2019, 12:50 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
Chris, I could be totally wrong, but it always seems to me that the UD admin's strategy is to take the safe route. The safe route will give you the greatest chance of getting in the tournament, but a very low chance of getting a great seed (barring the incredibly improbable 30 win season).



I'm not saying that's wrong. Would you rather be a 7-10 seed in 4 out of 7 years, or a 3 seed once every 20 years? I think I'd rather be in the dance more often.
This just seems like an oversimplification. Do you really think that playing 2 extra buy games vs. playing 2 h/h games(1 home and 1 away)is that much of a positive difference that it is the difference between a NCAAT at-large bid and no at-large bid? And, again, one of those games is at home where we should have a pretty decent chance of winning.
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 04-30-2019, 01:45 PM
Gazoo's Avatar
Gazoo Gazoo is offline
General
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,037
Thanks: 3,503
Thanked 3,835 Times in 1,691 Posts
Gazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
This just seems like an oversimplification. Do you really think that playing 2 extra buy games vs. playing 2 h/h games(1 home and 1 away)is that much of a positive difference that it is the difference between a NCAAT at-large bid and no at-large bid? And, again, one of those games is at home where we should have a pretty decent chance of winning.

So you're saying it's ME who is oversimplifying the challenges of scheduling?


In answer to your poorly worded question: maybe. You asked if it IS the difference. Well, no, not if we win both. But that's not how statistics works.



Do I think it is likely to be the difference? Yes, there is a reasonable likelihood it will be the difference. But it depends on: how healthy we are, how much the travel wears on the guys, how much the missed class wears on the guys (later nights studying to catch up), how likely the road game is to be won (Duke or Marquette?), the timing of where the games fall on the schedule, etc.


Winning 2 buy games at home allow the guys to keep their legs and to focus their energy on the few higher-profile games on the schedule. Assuming that gives us a greater chance to win those particular games (I think it does), it builds a lighter (but successful) resume that can get us in as a 10 seed. Or, we put higher pressure on the guys to play big names much more frequently where -- if we win -- we can show we're good enough to be a 4 seed as the confidence carries through the whole season.



2015-16: we go 25-7 and 14-4, lose to Syracuse in the tourney (KP injured).
Name / good non-con wins: Alabama, William & Mary (20-11 that year), Chatanooga (29-5), Iowa (tournament), Vandy, Arkansas

Name losses: _avier,



Which 2 games do we replace?

SE Missouri State - first game of the year
North Florida - first game back from exempt tournament, played Vandy 4 days later on the road
Furman - first game after Vandy
Miami, OH - after Furman but Arkansas is the next game
Conference schedule starts


So let's drop out North Florida, who went 22-11 that year. Add in Marquette on the road. And we'll drop Miami, OH and drop in Miami, FL.



So we travel back from getting our arses handed to us by _avier on TV, and get geared up for Marquette back on the road. At this point in the season we're 5-1. Marquette went 20-13 that year. Let's say our woes continue and we lose, making us 5-2. Welcome home gents, get on the plane because you're headed to Vandy on a 2-game losing streak in 3 days. Instead of winning by 5 at Vandy we lose. Chattanooga next game - lose (we lost the game in reality so it's not farfetched). Now we're 5-4. Catch our breath against Furman then Miami, FL comes to town 2 days later, and we're 6-5 now because we are playing on short rest. Better get your legs because now you're playing Arkansas. Let's say we still win that one.


Now, instead of going into conference play at 10-2 we're 7-5. If we still pull off 14-4 in conference plus 1-1 in the conference tournament as we did that year, that makes us 22-10. Instead of a 7 seed we're . . . ?? No more win on the road at #21 Vandy and all the sudden we're hanging our hat on an early season win over Iowa because Arkansas and Alabama were entirely mediocre. Good chance that's not good enough.



Or, we could beat Alabama, W&M, Chattanooga, Iowa, Vandy, Arkansas, Marquette, and Miami FL, not to mention VCU in our only meeting (25-11), GW (28-10), St. Bonny on the road (22-9) and look like a top 15 team.
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 04-30-2019, 02:12 PM
Flyers98 Flyers98 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 207
Thanks: 109
Thanked 281 Times in 104 Posts
Flyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
So you're saying it's ME who is oversimplifying the challenges of scheduling?


In answer to your poorly worded question: maybe. You asked if it IS the difference. Well, no, not if we win both. But that's not how statistics works.



Do I think it is likely to be the difference? Yes, there is a reasonable likelihood it will be the difference. But it depends on: how healthy we are, how much the travel wears on the guys, how much the missed class wears on the guys (later nights studying to catch up), how likely the road game is to be won (Duke or Marquette?), the timing of where the games fall on the schedule, etc.


Winning 2 buy games at home allow the guys to keep their legs and to focus their energy on the few higher-profile games on the schedule. Assuming that gives us a greater chance to win those particular games (I think it does), it builds a lighter (but successful) resume that can get us in as a 10 seed. Or, we put higher pressure on the guys to play big names much more frequently where -- if we win -- we can show we're good enough to be a 4 seed as the confidence carries through the whole season.



2015-16: we go 25-7 and 14-4, lose to Syracuse in the tourney (KP injured).
Name / good non-con wins: Alabama, William & Mary (20-11 that year), Chatanooga (29-5), Iowa (tournament), Vandy, Arkansas

Name losses: _avier,



Which 2 games do we replace?

SE Missouri State - first game of the year
North Florida - first game back from exempt tournament, played Vandy 4 days later on the road
Furman - first game after Vandy
Miami, OH - after Furman but Arkansas is the next game
Conference schedule starts


So let's drop out North Florida, who went 22-11 that year. Add in Marquette on the road. And we'll drop Miami, OH and drop in Miami, FL.



So we travel back from getting our arses handed to us by _avier on TV, and get geared up for Marquette back on the road. At this point in the season we're 5-1. Marquette went 20-13 that year. Let's say our woes continue and we lose, making us 5-2. Welcome home gents, get on the plane because you're headed to Vandy on a 2-game losing streak in 3 days. Instead of winning by 5 at Vandy we lose. Chattanooga next game - lose (we lost the game in reality so it's not farfetched). Now we're 5-4. Catch our breath against Furman then Miami, FL comes to town 2 days later, and we're 6-5 now because we are playing on short rest. Better get your legs because now you're playing Arkansas. Let's say we still win that one.


Now, instead of going into conference play at 10-2 we're 7-5. If we still pull off 14-4 in conference plus 1-1 in the conference tournament as we did that year, that makes us 22-10. Instead of a 7 seed we're . . . ?? No more win on the road at #21 Vandy and all the sudden we're hanging our hat on an early season win over Iowa because Arkansas and Alabama were entirely mediocre. Good chance that's not good enough.



Or, we could beat Alabama, W&M, Chattanooga, Iowa, Vandy, Arkansas, Marquette, and Miami FL, not to mention VCU in our only meeting (25-11), GW (28-10), St. Bonny on the road (22-9) and look like a top 15 team.
This is all super interesting but I have always had the sense that we would schedule more high level opponents if they were game. Then the argument is always, "we can play anybody we want if we will play on the road so lets play 13 home and 17 away", which I guess is technically true but... and I know some people hate to hear this, the program HAS TO, fill the home schedule because the basketball program literally pays for the entire athletic department. I don't think UD has a scheduling problem, I think these are the growing pains that schools in the no-man's-land of high level mid major basketball face. The question is: "can you break through and become Xavier or Butler, or are you doomed to wander through purgatory forever, (even got a little doctrine in there for the die hards)?"
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 04-30-2019, 03:01 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
I don't think it's as black and white. Why is it an either or scenario
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 04-30-2019, 04:29 PM
hawkoooo's Avatar
hawkoooo hawkoooo is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 1,592
Thanks: 530
Thanked 860 Times in 439 Posts
hawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond reputehawkoooo has a reputation beyond repute
Our scheduling is not the problem. Every year the non-con is ripped by know-it-alls on this forum and every year it ranks highly. I have never ever heard the phrase "man if Dayton had just scheduled better in the OOC they'd be in the tournament..." I don't expect to ever hear that phrase as long as Neil is in charge.
Reply With Quote
7 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to hawkoooo For This Totally Excellent Post:
1in25 (04-30-2019), Alberto Strasse (04-30-2019), CE80 (04-30-2019), Gazoo (05-01-2019), shocka43 (04-30-2019), SLUFLYER (04-30-2019), UD62 (04-30-2019)
  #90  
Old 04-30-2019, 05:07 PM
springborofan springborofan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Springboro
Posts: 1,425
Thanks: 1,189
Thanked 1,573 Times in 640 Posts
springborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond reputespringborofan has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by hawkoooo View Post
Our scheduling is not the problem. Every year the non-con is ripped by know-it-alls on this forum and every year it ranks highly. I have never ever heard the phrase "man if Dayton had just scheduled better in the OOC they'd be in the tournament..." I don't expect to ever hear that phrase as long as Neil is in charge.
I would agree with this philosophy up to about two years ago. If you don't believe the landscape of college basketball is changing I think you have your head in the sand. It is becomg increasingly difficult to make the tournament as a non power five team and the decline of the A10 is not helping. Exhibit A is the 20 game schedules by the Power 5. Exhibit B is the NET where Penn State was a top 50 team last year.

I don't claim to know the answers-short of either dominating the A10 ala Butler or Gonzaga, or somehow getting into the Big East (or MAYBE the AAC). I do know we have no control over the A10...the dregs will continue to pull everyone down. We DO have limited control of the schedule. That may mean breaking the scheduling model that UD has enjoyed for 20+ years.
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to springborofan For This Totally Excellent Post:
OSU Flyer (04-30-2019)
  #91  
Old 04-30-2019, 05:56 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by springborofan View Post
I would agree with this philosophy up to about two years ago. If you don't believe the landscape of college basketball is changing I think you have your head in the sand. It is becomg increasingly difficult to make the tournament as a non power five team and the decline of the A10 is not helping. Exhibit A is the 20 game schedules by the Power 5. Exhibit B is the NET where Penn State was a top 50 team last year.

I don't claim to know the answers-short of either dominating the A10 ala Butler or Gonzaga, or somehow getting into the Big East (or MAYBE the AAC). I do know we have no control over the A10...the dregs will continue to pull everyone down. We DO have limited control of the schedule. That may mean breaking the scheduling model that UD has enjoyed for 20+ years.
great post

the landscape of college basketball shifting. Because something worked 5 years ago doesn't mean it's going to work today
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old 04-30-2019, 06:00 PM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
“Moving to 20 league games is going to change the entire model,” one Big Ten athletic director told FanRag Sports. “They want to wipe out the non-Power 5 schools from getting at-large bids completely. Moving to 20 games makes that more of a realistic possibility.”

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/20...games-st-johns

schools outside the power conferences are entering into a different paradigm
Reply With Quote
Mad Props to OSU Flyer For This Totally Excellent Post:
springborofan (04-30-2019)
  #93  
Old 05-01-2019, 12:12 PM
Flyers98 Flyers98 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 207
Thanks: 109
Thanked 281 Times in 104 Posts
Flyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond reputeFlyers98 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by OSU Flyer View Post
“Moving to 20 league games is going to change the entire model,” one Big Ten athletic director told FanRag Sports. “They want to wipe out the non-Power 5 schools from getting at-large bids completely. Moving to 20 games makes that more of a realistic possibility.”

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/20...games-st-johns

schools outside the power conferences are entering into a different paradigm
Link is broken but if you can find out which Big Ten AD made the quoted statement, I'll file the anti-trust case myself and we will win.

Which is of course another way of saying that there isn't a chance in hell that a Big Ten AD said, “They want to wipe out the non-Power 5 schools from getting at-large bids completely. Moving to 20 games makes that more of a realistic possibility... ” to a reporter/blogger/what have you.
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 05-01-2019, 08:10 PM
San Diego Flyer's Avatar
San Diego Flyer San Diego Flyer is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Dallas
Posts: 13,646
Thanks: 8,277
Thanked 9,333 Times in 4,165 Posts
San Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeSan Diego Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by hawkoooo View Post
Our scheduling is not the problem. Every year the non-con is ripped by know-it-alls on this forum and every year it ranks highly. I have never ever heard the phrase "man if Dayton had just scheduled better in the OOC they'd be in the tournament..." I don't expect to ever hear that phrase as long as Neil is in charge.
I agree but a better winning % in ooc would help a lot also. Last season great schedule, not enough W's.
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 05-02-2019, 10:21 AM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
So you're saying it's ME who is oversimplifying the challenges of scheduling?


In answer to your poorly worded question: maybe. You asked if it IS the difference. Well, no, not if we win both. But that's not how statistics works.



Do I think it is likely to be the difference? Yes, there is a reasonable likelihood it will be the difference. But it depends on: how healthy we are, how much the travel wears on the guys, how much the missed class wears on the guys (later nights studying to catch up), how likely the road game is to be won (Duke or Marquette?), the timing of where the games fall on the schedule, etc.


Winning 2 buy games at home allow the guys to keep their legs and to focus their energy on the few higher-profile games on the schedule. Assuming that gives us a greater chance to win those particular games (I think it does), it builds a lighter (but successful) resume that can get us in as a 10 seed. Or, we put higher pressure on the guys to play big names much more frequently where -- if we win -- we can show we're good enough to be a 4 seed as the confidence carries through the whole season.



2015-16: we go 25-7 and 14-4, lose to Syracuse in the tourney (KP injured).
Name / good non-con wins: Alabama, William & Mary (20-11 that year), Chatanooga (29-5), Iowa (tournament), Vandy, Arkansas

Name losses: _avier,



Which 2 games do we replace?

SE Missouri State - first game of the year
North Florida - first game back from exempt tournament, played Vandy 4 days later on the road
Furman - first game after Vandy
Miami, OH - after Furman but Arkansas is the next game
Conference schedule starts


So let's drop out North Florida, who went 22-11 that year. Add in Marquette on the road. And we'll drop Miami, OH and drop in Miami, FL.



So we travel back from getting our arses handed to us by _avier on TV, and get geared up for Marquette back on the road. At this point in the season we're 5-1. Marquette went 20-13 that year. Let's say our woes continue and we lose, making us 5-2. Welcome home gents, get on the plane because you're headed to Vandy on a 2-game losing streak in 3 days. Instead of winning by 5 at Vandy we lose. Chattanooga next game - lose (we lost the game in reality so it's not farfetched). Now we're 5-4. Catch our breath against Furman then Miami, FL comes to town 2 days later, and we're 6-5 now because we are playing on short rest. Better get your legs because now you're playing Arkansas. Let's say we still win that one.


Now, instead of going into conference play at 10-2 we're 7-5. If we still pull off 14-4 in conference plus 1-1 in the conference tournament as we did that year, that makes us 22-10. Instead of a 7 seed we're . . . ?? No more win on the road at #21 Vandy and all the sudden we're hanging our hat on an early season win over Iowa because Arkansas and Alabama were entirely mediocre. Good chance that's not good enough.



Or, we could beat Alabama, W&M, Chattanooga, Iowa, Vandy, Arkansas, Marquette, and Miami FL, not to mention VCU in our only meeting (25-11), GW (28-10), St. Bonny on the road (22-9) and look like a top 15 team.
First off, I did not think that my question was poorly worded. Why don't you tell me how my question should have been worded professor?

Second, I just feel like UD is CONTENT to not set their sights higher. I just get this overwhelmingly sense when I look at the schedule every year that complacency permeates the UD athletic department. They are satisfied with the way that things have been for the last 20 years, and they have absolutely no plans to change anything.

Third, the conclusion that I came to regarding 16-14 with the 2 extra buy games vs. 15-15 with a h/h(1 on the road and 1 at home)was:
We go 0-2, then it's a negative.
We go 1-1, then it's a wash.
We go 2-0, then it's a positive, and we could move up as many as 4 seeds.

This seems like a pretty low-risk, high-reward scenario to me.

2017-2018 is the last year that http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Dayton.html was operational. Ignore the fact that we had a bad year that year and assume that 2017-2018 was one of the years that we got a 7 seed with Archie.

2018, rpi 146, sos 66.

Admittedly this is the best case scenario of beating #22 Loyola of Chicago and #33 MTSU and dropping the 2 worst buy games, Akron and Ohio.

New schedule, drop the 2 worst buy games, Akron and Ohio, replace with h/h with MTSU #33, away, and Loyola of Chicago #22, home.

Win both: rpi 124, sos 42...big positive...we get a 22 point rpi boost. How much is a 22 point rpi boost worth? Maybe 3-4 seed lines? Is it reasonable to go from a 7 seed to a 3 or 4 seed in that scenario?


http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Dayton.html


We have a much better chance of regularly reaching the Sweet 16 and beyond under this scenario.

Win at home and lose on road: rpi 145 sos 43...basically a wash in terms of rpi, sos did improve 23 spots though.

Lose both: rpi 165 sos 43...it is a negative, 23 spot improvement in sos though.

And I know that everything is NET now, but rpi is the best I could do.

There is no www.netforecast.com website.

And we get 2 q1 wins. And we likely get a big NET boost.


Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.

Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.

Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240.

Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus.


Please tell me where I went wrong with this post.

Last edited by ud2; 05-02-2019 at 10:50 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old 05-02-2019, 10:33 AM
OSU Flyer's Avatar
OSU Flyer OSU Flyer is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,560
Thanks: 1,351
Thanked 2,190 Times in 1,231 Posts
OSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond reputeOSU Flyer has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Flyers98 View Post
Link is broken but if you can find out which Big Ten AD made the quoted statement, I'll file the anti-trust case myself and we will win.

Which is of course another way of saying that there isn't a chance in hell that a Big Ten AD said, “They want to wipe out the non-Power 5 schools from getting at-large bids completely. Moving to 20 games makes that more of a realistic possibility... ” to a reporter/blogger/what have you.
Jon Rothstein reported it. I have no reason to consider him an unreputable source.

Rumble in the Garden pulled it from Fanrag which is who he used to write for

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/20...games-st-johns

Last edited by OSU Flyer; 05-02-2019 at 10:41 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old 05-02-2019, 01:25 PM
Gazoo's Avatar
Gazoo Gazoo is offline
General
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,037
Thanks: 3,503
Thanked 3,835 Times in 1,691 Posts
Gazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
First off, I did not think that my question was poorly worded. Why don't you tell me how my question should have been worded professor?

Second, I just feel like UD is CONTENT to not set their sights higher. I just get this overwhelmingly sense when I look at the schedule every year that complacency permeates the UD athletic department. They are satisfied with the way that things have been for the last 20 years, and they have absolutely no plans to change anything.

Third, the conclusion that I came to regarding 16-14 with the 2 extra buy games vs. 15-15 with a h/h(1 on the road and 1 at home)was:
We go 0-2, then it's a negative.
We go 1-1, then it's a wash.
We go 2-0, then it's a positive, and we could move up as many as 4 seeds.

This seems like a pretty low-risk, high-reward scenario to me.

2017-2018 is the last year that http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Dayton.html was operational. Ignore the fact that we had a bad year that year and assume that 2017-2018 was one of the years that we got a 7 seed with Archie.

2018, rpi 146, sos 66.

Admittedly this is the best case scenario of beating #22 Loyola of Chicago and #33 MTSU and dropping the 2 worst buy games, Akron and Ohio.

New schedule, drop the 2 worst buy games, Akron and Ohio, replace with h/h with MTSU #33, away, and Loyola of Chicago #22, home.

Win both: rpi 124, sos 42...big positive...we get a 22 point rpi boost. How much is a 22 point rpi boost worth? Maybe 3-4 seed lines? Is it reasonable to go from a 7 seed to a 3 or 4 seed in that scenario?


http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Dayton.html


We have a much better chance of regularly reaching the Sweet 16 and beyond under this scenario.

Win at home and lose on road: rpi 145 sos 43...basically a wash in terms of rpi, sos did improve 23 spots though.

Lose both: rpi 165 sos 43...it is a negative, 23 spot improvement in sos though.

And I know that everything is NET now, but rpi is the best I could do.

There is no www.netforecast.com website.

And we get 2 q1 wins. And we likely get a big NET boost.


Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.

Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.

Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240.

Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus.


Please tell me where I went wrong with this post.

First, I already answered why it's poorly worded: you said:

"Do you really think that playing 2 extra buy games vs. playing 2 h/h games(1 home and 1 away)is that much of a positive difference that it is the difference between a NCAAT at-large bid and no at-large bid?"

That implies I know the outcome ex-ante. Your question is poorly worded because you said "is" that much of a difference. The proper question is phrased in probabilistic terms such as "on average" or "typically" or "more often than not" or "worth the risk."

Second, I can't speak to how you or the UD administration "feels," either now or 20 years ago.

Third, you're conveniently ignoring my point because it's inconvenient to your argument: my entire point is that you are considering only those 2 games in a vacuum instead of the entire system, and ignoring probabilities.

"We go 0-2, then it's a negative.
We go 1-1, then it's a wash.
We go 2-0, then it's a positive, and we could move up as many as 4 seeds."

What is the PROBABILITY we go 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2? If it's 5% / 25% / 70%, then you have improperly presented your argument by deceptively presenting the 3 options in a way that makes it seem like it's 33% / 33% / 33% so (obviously) let's go for it.

But besides the probabilities of the 2 games in a vacuum, what is the PROBABILITY we go 1-1 (a push in your analysis), but, the extra road miles causes us to lose another highly winnable game at home that becomes a quad 4 loss on our resume--an excellent excuse for the committee to keep us out? These are not independent draws, mein freund. You must look at the entire system.

You're the guy who says "if my employee works 40 hours per week and makes 1 mistake, then I'll make him work 80 hours per week and expect 2 mistakes." Doesn't work that way. It's non-linear.
Reply With Quote
  #98  
Old 05-02-2019, 01:33 PM
longtimefan longtimefan is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,440
Thanks: 2,851
Thanked 5,510 Times in 2,502 Posts
longtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond reputelongtimefan has a reputation beyond repute
Let's look at our last five NCAA seeds and results:

2009 won as an 11 seed

2014 went to Elite 8 as an 11 seed

2015 won as an 11 seed

2016 lost as a 7 seed

2017 lost as a 7 seed

We also won as a 12 seed in 1990 and lost as a 4 seed in 2003. Seeding can help, but not as much as some people think. Once you get in the tournament it's all about match ups. I would rather have a scheduling philosophy geared to getting us into the tournament than a higher risk philosophy that might get us a better seed but could also cost us a bid altogether. Once you're in, anything can happen.
Reply With Quote
6 UDPriders Offer Mad Props to longtimefan For This Totally Excellent Post:
CE80 (05-02-2019), CT Flyer (05-02-2019), CvilleFlyer (05-02-2019), Gazoo (05-02-2019), SLUFLYER (05-02-2019), UDGutter2 (05-02-2019)
  #99  
Old 05-02-2019, 03:29 PM
Gazoo's Avatar
Gazoo Gazoo is offline
General
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,037
Thanks: 3,503
Thanked 3,835 Times in 1,691 Posts
Gazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond reputeGazoo has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by longtimefan View Post
Let's look at our last five NCAA seeds and results:

2009 won as an 11 seed

2014 went to Elite 8 as an 11 seed

2015 won as an 11 seed

2016 lost as a 7 seed

2017 lost as a 7 seed

We also won as a 12 seed in 1990 and lost as a 4 seed in 2003. Seeding can help, but not as much as some people think. Once you get in the tournament it's all about match ups. I would rather have a scheduling philosophy geared to getting us into the tournament than a higher risk philosophy that might get us a better seed but could also cost us a bid altogether. Once you're in, anything can happen.

I totally agree, just get me in. Give me a chance. And whatever gives me the highest probability of making it in any given year, follow that model.
Reply With Quote
  #100  
Old 05-02-2019, 04:36 PM
ud2's Avatar
ud2 ud2 is offline
Committed to this Web Site and Your Enjoyment!
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,635
Thanks: 4,309
Thanked 3,609 Times in 2,384 Posts
ud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond reputeud2 has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
So you're saying it's ME who is oversimplifying the challenges of scheduling?


In answer to your poorly worded question: maybe. You asked if it IS the difference. Well, no, not if we win both. But that's not how statistics works.



Do I think it is likely to be the difference? Yes, there is a reasonable likelihood it will be the difference. But it depends on: how healthy we are, how much the travel wears on the guys, how much the missed class wears on the guys (later nights studying to catch up), how likely the road game is to be won (Duke or Marquette?), the timing of where the games fall on the schedule, etc.


Winning 2 buy games at home allow the guys to keep their legs and to focus their energy on the few higher-profile games on the schedule. Assuming that gives us a greater chance to win those particular games (I think it does), it builds a lighter (but successful) resume that can get us in as a 10 seed. Or, we put higher pressure on the guys to play big names much more frequently where -- if we win -- we can show we're good enough to be a 4 seed as the confidence carries through the whole season.



2015-16: we go 25-7 and 14-4, lose to Syracuse in the tourney (KP injured).
Name / good non-con wins: Alabama, William & Mary (20-11 that year), Chatanooga (29-5), Iowa (tournament), Vandy, Arkansas

Name losses: _avier,



Which 2 games do we replace?

SE Missouri State - first game of the year
North Florida - first game back from exempt tournament, played Vandy 4 days later on the road
Furman - first game after Vandy
Miami, OH - after Furman but Arkansas is the next game
Conference schedule starts


So let's drop out North Florida, who went 22-11 that year. Add in Marquette on the road. And we'll drop Miami, OH and drop in Miami, FL.



So we travel back from getting our arses handed to us by _avier on TV, and get geared up for Marquette back on the road. At this point in the season we're 5-1. Marquette went 20-13 that year. Let's say our woes continue and we lose, making us 5-2. Welcome home gents, get on the plane because you're headed to Vandy on a 2-game losing streak in 3 days. Instead of winning by 5 at Vandy we lose. Chattanooga next game - lose (we lost the game in reality so it's not farfetched). Now we're 5-4. Catch our breath against Furman then Miami, FL comes to town 2 days later, and we're 6-5 now because we are playing on short rest. Better get your legs because now you're playing Arkansas. Let's say we still win that one.


Now, instead of going into conference play at 10-2 we're 7-5. If we still pull off 14-4 in conference plus 1-1 in the conference tournament as we did that year, that makes us 22-10. Instead of a 7 seed we're . . . ?? No more win on the road at #21 Vandy and all the sudden we're hanging our hat on an early season win over Iowa because Arkansas and Alabama were entirely mediocre. Good chance that's not good enough.



Or, we could beat Alabama, W&M, Chattanooga, Iowa, Vandy, Arkansas, Marquette, and Miami FL, not to mention VCU in our only meeting (25-11), GW (28-10), St. Bonny on the road (22-9) and look like a top 15 team.
With all due respect, you just sound like a whiny cry-baby with this type of post. You don't hear the p5/Big East schools whining about having to play several tough games in a row sometimes with little rest. That is the unfortunate reality of life in the higher-rated leagues in college basketball.

We need to man up/suck it up and schedule up and earn the better seed/git 'r done no excuses.

The better seeds are not just handed out, they are earned, and we will never consistently get a better seed and have a shot at the national title at the rate we are going.

If we want to truly be taken seriously as a national title contender, then we have GOT to come up with a better OOC schedule.

Stop being satisfied with just eking by and getting an 11 seed and start demanding more from UD.

We are consistently in the top 25 in college basketball revenue year after year, we should be doing a lot better than we are.

Last edited by ud2; 05-02-2019 at 05:26 PM.. Reason: Misspelling: eking not eeking
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.1

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement System V2.6 By   Branden

     
 
Copyright 1996-2012 UDPride.com. All Rights Reserved.