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Which of them leaked the classified information to the press? I think that is where the penalty lies.
Yes, we know someone or someone’s leaked classified info, which is a felony. But it’s amazing how many requested the unmasking. A whole bunch of dirty people involved. Slow Joe is also listed. This should be fun. https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morri...one-joe-biden/
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And all along I was hearing the Russians wanted Trump to win. Who was responsible for that?

Newt on FOX saying we now have proof Schiff deliberately lied for three years. Newt saying Sullivan is part of the Deep State.
Seems like Judge Sullivan is being inconsistent. Earlier, he would not allow friends of the court briefs, now he will. An ethics complaint is being filed against him.

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Has there been any explanation for why Flynn was unmasked? They knew the Russiagate stuff was nonsense, just seems like the unmasking was done in order to target Flynn, who it seems really was not doing anything unusual by contacting Kislyak, a Logan Act violation has not resulted in an indictment since 1852.
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[QUOTE=ud2;629191]Has there been any explanation for why Flynn was unmasked? They knew the Russiagate stuff was nonsense, just seems like the unmasking was done in order to target Flynn, who it seems really was not doing anything unusual by contacting Kislyak, a Logan Act violation has not resulted in an indictment since 1852.[/QUOTE/]

A stunning 39 separate officials snooped on Mr. Flynn’s conversations with foreign actors, lodging nearly 50 unmasking demands between Nov. 30, 2016 and Jan. 12, 2017. While unmasking isn’t illegal, leaking intelligence is.
The Flynn unmaskings, and the timely media leaks, take the story into the Obama White House. The peaceful transition of power is a hallmark of American democracy, or at least it used to be. It isn’t supposed to be an opportunity for the Administration that lost the election to cripple its successors as they take power.

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A stunning 39 separate officials snooped on Mr. Flynn’s conversations with foreign actors, lodging nearly 50 unmasking demands between Nov. 30, 2016 and Jan. 12, 2017. While unmasking isn’t illegal, leaking intelligence is.
I am still trying to figure out what the point of unmasking Flynn was. Why did they want him out? Because Obama did not like him? That seems very petty. Nothing substantial was discussed between Flynn and Kislyak, unless I am mistaken.
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I think you’re onto something with your Fox Broadcast News suggestion. I mean, here in Dayton, we have 6 over-the-air networks: ABC, CBS, CW, Fox, NBC, & PBS. PBS will never have network news. CW, for all the years it’s been on the air, has never really tried to present anything but pre-recorded content. The other 4 all have Sports divisions to go with their Entertainment divisions, so they’re setup to do live programming. Yet, at 6:30 PM nightly, Fox affiliates broadcast reruns of sitcoms like The Simpsons & Seinfeld, while ABC, CBS, & NBC affiliates present their own versions of comedy with their nightly network newscasts.

If Fox would start its own News division, putting some of their less “political” faces on the broadcast, that would serve as an alternative to the left-leaning MSM, that the average viewer doesn’t need cable, dish, or some other subscription service to access. Maybe someone like Bret Baier, who already has a recognizable face, an authoritative voice/presentation, and is much more of an old-school “news person” than much of the current Fox News stable of correspondents, could be the face of the “Fox Evening News”. That would certainly provide an alternative to what is becoming the US, “Deep State” version of the state-run Soviet/Russian news agency TASS.
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Greta Van Susteren also has a show on from 11:30pm-12am on Sunday on the Fox affiliates, she is pretty middle of the road/fact-based IMO, not much partisan commentary from her IMO.

I wonder if she regrets leaving FNC? She used to have a prominent weeknight time slot.

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I am still trying to figure out what the point of unmasking Flynn was. Why did they want him out? Because Obama did not like him? That seems very petty. Nothing substantial was discussed between Flynn and Kislyak, unless I am mistaken.
Andy McCarthy: FBI targeted Flynn because they knew he'd uncover illegitimacy of Russia probe.
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I am still trying to figure out what the point of unmasking Flynn was. Why did they want him out? Because Obama did not like him? That seems very petty. Nothing substantial was discussed between Flynn and Kislyak, unless I am mistaken.
It's my understanding that Flynn spoke to foreign leaders just as the Obama administration officials admitted they did before Obama's inauguration. I'm not sure how any of the Obama people justified any of what they did with an investigation on Flynn.

It did allow them to document every one of his conversations so that they could try to get him to contradict something in one of his phone conversations. They colluded with the press to make it seem like he was not under investigation so that they could catch him with his guard down and absent a lawyer. I do know that setting up Flynn with a perjury trap would feed the fake Russian Collusion Monologue that they desired to cripple Trump with the fake Russian Dossier. Isn't that what this was ultimately all about? The "Insurance Policy" in the unlikely event that Trump won the Presidency?

Hey, doesn't this sound familiar?

The Mueller investigation was communicating to Trump that he was not under investigation, and they wanted an interview with him. I wonder if they had surveillance of some of his communications, and were looking for a perjury trap. Seems to have been their mode of operation.

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Originally Posted by TA111 View Post
Yes, we know someone or someone’s leaked classified info, which is a felony. But it’s amazing how many requested the unmasking. A whole bunch of dirty people involved. Slow Joe is also listed. This should be fun. https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morri...one-joe-biden/
Literally ZERO coverage of the Flynn issue and the prominent democrats tied to the incident on the liberal news networks. ZERO on CNN's page.

It isn't going to be fun until the other 50% actually are even told this is going on.

Only coverage about anything related is "Judge puts brakes on Barr's decision"...

Nothing related to the shifty democrats that started this entire thing...just that Barr is abusing his power to fix the wrong.
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This whole thing appears to be such a screwed up situation. It just seems absolutely absurd that a decorated 3 star general that was a career-long military man would have sold out to the Russians.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kt-mcf...ynn-case-trump:

KT McFarland reveals what Michael Flynn told her on night he left Trump White House

"You know, the last words that General Michael Flynn said to me the night he left the office in the West Wing on the night he had to resign? He said, 'You know the irony? I joined the military to fight the Russians,'" she said, recalling how Flynn's exit from the administration unfolded amid suggestions that he planned to help the Kremlin.
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More indications that this whole Russiagate thing was a total farce.

https://www.realclearinvestigations....nc_123596.html:

Hidden Over 2 Years: Dem Cyber-Firm's Sworn Testimony It Had No Proof of Russian Hack of DNC

CrowdStrike, the private cyber-security firm that first accused Russia of hacking Democratic Party emails and served as a critical source for U.S. intelligence officials in the years-long Trump-Russia probe, acknowledged to Congress more than two years ago that it had no concrete evidence that Russian hackers stole emails from the Democratic National Committee’s server.

CrowdStrike President Shawn Henry's admission under oath, in a recently declassified December 2017 interview before the House Intelligence Committee, raises new questions about whether Special Counsel Robert Mueller, intelligence officials and Democrats misled the public. The allegation that Russia stole Democratic Party emails from Hillary Clinton, John Podesta and others and then passed them to WikiLeaks helped trigger the FBI's probe into now debunked claims of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to steal the 2016 election. The CrowdStrike admissions were released just two months after the Justice Department retreated from its its other central claim that Russia meddled in the 2016 election when it dropped charges against Russian troll farms it said had been trying to get Trump elected.
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Literally ZERO coverage of the Flynn issue and the prominent democrats tied to the incident on the liberal news networks. ZERO on CNN's page.

It isn't going to be fun until the other 50% actually are even told this is going on.

Only coverage about anything related is "Judge puts brakes on Barr's decision"...

Nothing related to the shifty democrats that started this entire thing...just that Barr is abusing his power to fix the wrong.
This blackout on the subject can't last long. That is because more evidence keeps surfacing and it implicates more and more former high level government officials.

I think they are trying to formulate a strategy as to how to counter the story because of its political implications. Remember, "The News" isn't the news anymore. It's a political movement. I expect some kind of media attack on Barr or the Justice Department in general.
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Regarding the DNC server hack, Seth Rich still has not been ruled out as the source. Assange has consistently stated that the source was not a state actor. I guess only Assange knows the source.

The data transfer rate of the hack download does seem to indicate that the hacker had direct access to the server, thus indicating an inside job.

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Obama administration people were "unmasking" Flynn's conversations before he ever spoke to the Russian ambassador, just 10 days after Trump announced his position in the future administration. I would like to hear the unmaskers justification of that.

It's not illegal to unmask as long as there is justification beyond politics.

What made them think they had to unmask before he had ever spoken to any Russians?

I'm really curious how many people in the incoming Trump administration were unmasked, and for what justifications. In light of everything that we know that seems to indicate that they were "setting up" Trump, basically framing him in the eyes of the public. I want to know a lot more about what they did and what their justifications were.

Personally, I think there was a whole lot of politics behind it all. They tried to create false facades of crimes and suspicion with things like the Russian Dossier that they purchased. Once they pulled that off, they decided that they could then justify any spying and set-up of Trump people that they wanted.

We also know that they were spying on the campaign through guys like Carter Page way before the election. Nixon went down for trying to steal campaign secrets from the DNC, and then trying to cover it up. This is beginning to look worse than that. There has been so much testimony from all of the Obama people in front of Congress, that I think they are all in jeopardy. As evidence emerges, and it contradicts their testimony, it's going to get worse and worse. It's a huge web of tangled lies. You can see that they have already abandoned all of the "Trump is a Russian operative", stuff that they were saying on CNN. Now that their testimony under oath has been revealed, the cat is out of the bag. They all knew that it was fake propaganda. They are not about to repeat the same lies under oath.

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Looks like the Senate will start investigations into the unmasking of General Flynn. Why did Biden lie about not knowing anything? https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morri...know-anything/
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This whole Flynn saga is getting uglier and uglier. Since the "unmasking" list came out yesterday, the "I don't recall" defense from Clapper and others is being heard over and over.

Now, the Biden response is that they don't know if Biden even saw the "unmasking" that he requested. What a croc. There are only a very few people that can request an "unmasking". Why would Biden - or someone on his behalf at his express direction and only under his authority - request an "unmasking" and then Biden would not see it? This is beyond credulity.

It was only a couple of days ago that Biden was interviewing with Stephanopoulos and said he knew very little about the Flynn saga and only that there "was an investigation".
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The CrowdStrike CEO suggested that the hacker could have taken screenshots in order to accumulate the 70 gigabytes of stolen data.

IMO, it would take a massive amount of screenshots in order to get to 70gb, his suggestion seems impossible IMO.

Even if every screen shot was 1 megabyte in size, which IMO seems like a very large file size for a simple screenshot, it would take 70 million screen shots to acquire 70gb of data.

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Trump calls on Graham to demand Obama testify amid unmasking controversy: ‘Just do it.

Trump calls on Graham to demand Obama testify amid unmasking controversy: ‘Just do it.

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The CrowdStrike CEO suggested that the hacker could have taken screenshots in order to accumulate the 70 gigabytes of stolen data.

IMO, it would take a massive amount of screenshots in order to get to 70gb, his suggestion seems impossible IMO.

Even if every screen shot was 1 megabyte in size, which IMO seems like a very large file size for a simple screenshot, it would take 70 million screen shots to acquire 70gb of data.

While I agree that is a huge amount of data from simple screen grabs, I imagine its entirely possible to run some sort of script that could do that automatically so the actual human work is minimal.
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Literally ZERO coverage of the Flynn issue and the prominent democrats tied to the incident on the liberal news networks. ZERO on CNN's page.

It isn't going to be fun until the other 50% actually are even told this is going on.

Only coverage about anything related is "Judge puts brakes on Barr's decision"...

Nothing related to the shifty democrats that started this entire thing...just that Barr is abusing his power to fix the wrong.
It’s one thing for the other 50% to be told that this is going on. It’s another thing entirely for that 50% to “handle the truth”. I have friends and family on both sides of the aisle, and the hardest-core Ds are longing, pining, yearning for a return of The Obama Years. It’s beyond their comprehension that any high-ranking Obama Administration official (including the former President himself) would have engaged in such heinous acts as have been described on “Faux News”, as they call it.

It’s not just a matter of getting them to see it. It’s also a matter of getting them to believe it.
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It’s one thing for the other 50% to be told that this is going on. It’s another thing entirely for that 50% to “handle the truth”. I have friends and family on both sides of the aisle, and the hardest-core Ds are longing, pining, yearning for a return of The Obama Years. It’s beyond their comprehension that any high-ranking Obama Administration official (including the former President himself) would have engaged in such heinous acts as have been described on “Faux News”, as they call it.

It’s not just a matter of getting them to see it. It’s also a matter of getting them to believe it.
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This is my experience too. Despite my huge interest in this story and my obvious strong opinions on the subject, I don't like to talk politics with friends and acquaintances unless they want to partake. But I know many who hate Trump so much that they don't even want to hear it. They just refuse, no matter what evidence is revealed. People have dug in. They held on to the lies of CNN for three years, hoping that it was true. After 3 years of repetition by the MSM, they just believe it is true. Having to reconsider everything they have held dear for that long could sprain their cerebellums. And they are getting a constant feed of maximum spin and denial from CNN. That helps them maintain the willfull ignorance with a relatively clean conscience.

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While I agree that is a huge amount of data from simple screen grabs, I imagine its entirely possible to run some sort of script that could do that automatically so the actual human work is minimal.
Yes, that is possible I suppose.

How much time would it take for a script to grab 70gb worth of screenshots?
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No clue, well above my scope of knowledge.
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It’s one thing for the other 50% to be told that this is going on. It’s another thing entirely for that 50% to “handle the truth”. I have friends and family on both sides of the aisle, and the hardest-core Ds are longing, pining, yearning for a return of The Obama Years. It’s beyond their comprehension that any high-ranking Obama Administration official (including the former President himself) would have engaged in such heinous acts as have been described on “Faux News”, as they call it.

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Agreed. The TDS is so strong in some areas that all the proof and reality in the world wouldn’t change their minds. Believe it’s called cognitive dissonance. Even a clown like Schiff, who has been lying through his teeth for 3 years about evidence of collusion, Is still out in public saying he has evidence of collusion. This despite the fact that Mueller unequivocally stated there was no evidence of any collusion.
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No clue, well above my scope of knowledge.
Yeah, I have no idea either, but I think it would not be quick, it would take a while. And if you are illegally hacking into a highly-sensitive server, then I would think time would be of the essence before you are detected.
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I have no idea if this is possible or not, but I'm thinking about a program that would open up any file you had access to, scroll thru it like you were reading it, and take screen grabs along the way; something that could be done while you are not even at your computer. I'm pretty sure something like that could be done, how quickly security would detect that threat is another question. I'm guessing a program can run in the background and grab "screen grabs" of everything pretty quickly.
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Yeah, I have no idea either, but I think it would not be quick, it would take a while. And if you are illegally hacking into a highly-sensitive server, then I would think time would be of the essence before you are detected.
It's probably dependent on what "screenshots" mean. If these hackers are connected to a command line application that is printing out flat text files, it can take "screenshots" of that data as it is pouring out of the connection. If it's PDF files, they might be able to turn those PDFs into BASE64 text files, and stream that out as well. That script could be created in a manner of minutes, especially if it's a very knowledgable computer person doing the hacking, which should be a Mr. Obvious answer.

If I was to do something like that, and that is what I've described, and I'm on a Unix machine with access to NFS shares, SMB shares, FTP locations, I could easily BASE64 anything I find that isn't text, and stream that through using some kind of multi-form encoding, and record that data stream over my command-line (telnet/SSH) connection. And, the hacker would probably be wise to be doing it anonymized through proxies, and a computer that has high bandwidth, so 70GB will be downloaded quickly. If you can get a 10MB (megabyte)/second connection, that would be 7000 seconds. 116 minutes, so we're looking at 2 hours. Add another 30-60 minutes for the overhead of converting binary to BASE64.

I've had to review government patch updates for applications I've been involved in in the past, and I've always shook my head about certain things. If hackers are already in the network, and already are on my system, they are probably going to get around any of these "fixes" that are regarded as, "to prevent a local attacker...".
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Why did the ambassador to the UN need to unmask Flynn 7 times?

There are a whole bunch of people who unmasked Flynn inside of the Obama administration who seem to have no business doing so. I think they did it to conceal the leaker in their premeditated plan to leak it illegally to the media for political purposes. It's hard to track the leak when everyone had access to the information.

Why did the original FBI report on the meeting with Flynn, where the alleged crime of lying to the FBI took place, disappear to be replaced by a augmented report? Are we to believe that the original was only changed for spelling and grammar errors as the FBI claims? Isn't that even a wee bit suspicious now that we know the politics involved in this and the terrible things that have been revealed going on inside the FBI at the time? We know that the investigators did not feel that Flynn was lying, and they were ready to close the case before Strzok intervened and told them to keep it open. Why was the information that Strzok intervened in the closing of the case not shared with the defense lawyers for Flynn? Is it not illegal on the part of the government to withhold that information from the defense?

How would you like yourself or a family member to be targeted by the FBI and set-up for a perjury trap? The agents actually brought up the possibility that they were not going after truth, but targeting Flynn for a perjury trap to get him fired.

Flynn was a pawn in a coup attempt.

Does this all add up to anyone here? Someone tell me which side is jeopardizing our "rule of law" in this country.

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Wikileaks source says that the source of the DNC leak was a disgruntled DNC Democrat that supported Bernie.

https://turningpointnews.org/hack-ev...hacked-the-dnc:

Both Murray and Assange have repeatedly stated that they did not get the information from the Russians. We therefore conclude that if the DNC was hacked (which it likely was), then it was hacked by the NSA using Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear as a cover – knowing that Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear were specifically written to fool consultants like Dimitri and Cloudstrike into thinking that it was a Russian hacking program. Obviously, the NSA is not going to give any of its information to Wikileaks. But in addition to these two hacks by Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear, a disgusted member of the DNC also got the information directly from the DNC database, put it on a jump drive and handed the jump drive to Craig Murray. In other words, we conclude that the DNC was hacked and also subjected to an insider leaker. Thus, Wikileaks claim that it was a leak is true. But their claim that it was not a hack may not be accurate as there is evidence of a hack.
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Why did the ambassador to the UN need to unmask Flynn 7 times?
Let's slow down, at least slightly. The ambassador to the UN unmasked an individual involved in a phone call. The question is, why were they wire-tapping the person that was talking to Flynn? And when they asked for the unmasking of that conversation, was it this specific conversation, or what other conversations did they ask for unmasking? Did they just blindly say, we want to know who talked to these 35 purported Russian Agents? And from that, it occurred that Flynn was involved a bunch of them, so they went with that.

It's not like the Ambassador said, "I want to know what Flynn was talking about in these 4 conversations." Because unmasking is the other way around. "I want to know who Russian Purported Agent #25 was talking to on November 11, 2016."

How many unmasking requests were occurring by these individuals in that time frame? What were the reason for requesting that unmasking? What were the conversations, or other individuals, regarding? What type of investigation was going on to need these conversations unmasked?

Or, did they already know that Flynn was part of these conversations, somehow, and therefore, specifically targeted those conversations because the conversations were intercepted for other reasons?

I think those are really the questions that need to be asked and answered, but I'm not sure if the intent of the unmasking requests will ever be able to be determined.
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Let's slow down, at least slightly. The ambassador to the UN unmasked an individual involved in a phone call. The question is, why were they wire-tapping the person that was talking to Flynn? And when they asked for the unmasking of that conversation, was it this specific conversation, or what other conversations did they ask for unmasking? Did they just blindly say, we want to know who talked to these 35 purported Russian Agents? And from that, it occurred that Flynn was involved a bunch of them, so they went with that.

It's not like the Ambassador said, "I want to know what Flynn was talking about in these 4 conversations." Because unmasking is the other way around. "I want to know who Russian Purported Agent #25 was talking to on November 11, 2016."

How many unmasking requests were occurring by these individuals in that time frame? What were the reason for requesting that unmasking? What were the conversations, or other individuals, regarding? What type of investigation was going on to need these conversations unmasked?

Or, did they already know that Flynn was part of these conversations, somehow, and therefore, specifically targeted those conversations because the conversations were intercepted for other reasons?

I think those are really the questions that need to be asked and answered, but I'm not sure if the intent of the unmasking requests will ever be able to be determined.
Samantha Powers has already denied making the requests herself. She says someone else made hundreds of requests under her name and she really doesn't know what was going on.

https://aclj.org/government-corrupti...asking-scandal

I find that interesting. Who gets that kind of power delegated to them? Who are the mystery unmasking requesters and how do we determine their motives? It seems a convenient way of sidestepping accountability. The other unmaskers who have been asked seem to have collective amnesia about their reasons, or even any memory of these unmaskings. Hmm.

The system of masking is intended to protect US citizens from surveillance without a good cause. Why am I not hearing the "good causes" in this suspicious case where the Obama team had motive to cause political harm? Obama told these guys this should be "by the book". Why are records missing and memories mysteriously erased? Are you telling me that they had a special meeting about this 3 weeks before inauguration and nobody remembers what happened? They had to know this would be heavily scrutinized, as it has the appearance of political tampering with the rival party future administration, resulting in charges of plotting with Russians?

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Barr on Obamagate: Trump was egregiously wronged...we are letting Obama and Biden off the hook, but we are pursuing the other perps...this type of nonsense/spying on the campaign of the other party has to stop

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Barr was asked about Obamagate, President Trump's new term for long-running allegations that the Obama Justice Department inappropriately used counterintelligence tools to surveil the 2016 Trump campaign and transition team. Barr agreed with the general premise of the president's allegations but said "this can not be a tit for tat exercise," "we are not going to lower the standards to achieve a result. The only way to break this vicious cycle and step away from a dual system of justice is to make sure we scrupulously apply a single and proper standard of Justice for everybody."

"Tihs upcoming election will be conducted without this kind of interference," he also said. "We cannot allow this process to be hijacked by efforts to drum up criminal investigations of either candidate... Any effort to pursue an investigation of either candidate has to be approved by me."

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15 minutes after Trump is sworn in and literally as she is packing up to get out of her White House office, Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice uses her official government email account to email HERSELF about General Flynn. I assume this is an email account that will be shut down within hours since she is part of the outgoing Obama administration. Technically she is no longer a government employee when she writes this document.

Question-Who writes an email to themselves when they know that email account will be locked within hours and for which they will no longer have access?

Unless it is a CYA email to provide cover - first, for the outgoing Obama personnel who have been investigating Flynn and - second, cover for all the "deep state" folks left behind to carry on the nefarious work.

The Obama administration obsession with Flynn and Trump must have been overwhelming if this was the most important task as Rice walked out the door.
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Technically she is no longer a government employee when she writes this document.
Is that really true? Usually, appointments are still in force until the incoming president revokes them or appoints a new successor. Admittedly, I do not know the precise time that Gen. Flynn officially replaced Dr. Rice as NSA.

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Is that really true? Usually, appointments are still in force until the incoming president revokes them or appoints a new successor. Admittedly, I do not know the precise time that Gen. Flynn officially replaced Dr. Rice as NSA.
Regardless, who writes a CYA email to themselves as they’re walking out the door? It seems clear that she knew they were on very shaky ground and tried to “improve” the poor optics.
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Is that really true? Usually, appointments are still in force until the incoming president revokes them or appoints a new successor. Admittedly, I do not know the precise time that Gen. Flynn officially replaced Dr. Rice as NSA.
All Presidential political appointees (nearly 4,000) are required to submit their resignations as part of the transition process. Those resignations are effective at noon on Inauguration Day. The incoming administration has the option and may designate some appointees to be carried over. The Trump admin designated about 50 of those. Susan Rice, for obvious reasons, was not one of those 50.

The position of National Security Advisor does not require Senate confirmation. Just as Rice did not need Senate confirmation, Flynn did not either. Flynn replaced Rice at precisely noon. Flynn was designated by Trump to be the National Security advisor shortly after the election. As part of the transition process, the outgoing administration (including Rice) would be briefing Flynn extensively on any and all national security matters - except Comey and others as the CYA email mentions - did not trust Flynn even though they had no evidence supporting that position. If the Obama admin had any qualms about Flynn's loyalty in such a high profile position - with or without evidence - it would seem incumbent on Obama to speak directly with Trump on the matter. Obama never did. Perhaps one of the reasons Obama did not speak to Trump was because it would open up the whole can of Russian worms (think fake Steele pee dossier and rigged FISA warrants) about why Flynn was even being monitored in the first place.

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All Presidential political appointees (nearly 4,000) are required to submit their resignations as part of the transition process. Those resignations are effective at noon on Inauguration Day. The incoming administration has the option and may designate some appointees to be carried over. The Trump admin designated about 50 of those. Susan Rice, for obvious reasons, was not one of those 50.
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Good stuff everybody. I posted earlier that objectively President Obama should be indicted, but he wouldn't. It looks like that is how it will play out.
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Good stuff everybody. I posted earlier that objectively President Obama should be indicted, but he wouldn't. It looks like that is how it will play out.
I don't think I agree. I see no reason why Obama and Biden should be given special treatment if they are found to have been involved, Nixon was not spared, why should Obama and Biden be spared? The only way to prevent this from happening again is to have accountability for all. If the shoe was on the other foot, do you think the Dems would be so magnanimous? I think not. They impeached Trump on a very flimsy basis.

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If Trump had not won, we would know nothing of all of this abuse of power.

I think that once the Trump Campaign had been spied upon before the election, the Obama Administration was committed. When Trump won, they had to make the "surveillance" look legit by catching someone in the web of the FBI for "Russian Collusion". Flynn was the target to make that happen.

Flynn was a smokescreen to make the whole thing look like they had a legitimate need to spy on the Trump Campaign.
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Talk about lying with a straight face. Rice wrote a freaking memo about the Flynn matter and she’s on TV saying she knows nothing about the surveillance or unmasking. Unreal.
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Talk about lying with a straight face. Rice wrote a freaking memo about the Flynn matter and she’s on TV saying she knows nothing about the surveillance or unmasking. Unreal.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...disclosed.html
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Talk about lying with a straight face. Rice wrote a freaking memo about the Flynn matter and she’s on TV saying she knows nothing about the surveillance or unmasking. Unreal.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...disclosed.html
She and others are scheduled to appear before Congress in June iirc.
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It gets worse. Breaking news-Rice says Obama White House counsel told her to write memo to herself. As I stated above, they knew they were in deep Sh** on this and were trying to cover their backsides. https://www.redstate.com/streiff/202...tion-day-memo/
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She and others are scheduled to appear before Congress in June iirc.
That’s must see TV. I don’t know how she’ll keep all those lies going.
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The Obama administration obsession with Flynn and Trump must have been overwhelming if this was the most important task as Rice walked out the door.
I am getting this sense more and more as more and more things come out, these folks were obsessed with trying to take Trump and Flynn down.
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More spying revealed, this time by the Obama Treasury Department. Is this normal? Seems highly abnormal.


https://theohiostar.com/2020/05/18/e...whistleblower/
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Talk about lying with a straight face. Rice wrote a freaking memo about the Flynn matter and she’s on TV saying she knows nothing about the surveillance or unmasking. Unreal.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...disclosed.html
It just goes to show that you can't believe a word of the propaganda from the CNN - MSNBC interviews that the Obama officials were involved in on this subject.

Think about how Adam Schiff was having witness after witness testify that there was no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion behind closed doors, and he was walking out during breaks in the closed testimony and declaring that they now had evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. He did that in closed hearings that he thought would never be revealed. It was a fake news campaign to smear. And half of the country was buying it without question because they wanted to believe it.
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This is a very long and detailed article, but goes to show the lengths the deep state would go to. Massive corruption. https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-v...anafort-probe/
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It just goes to show that you can't believe a word of the propaganda from the CNN - MSNBC interviews that the Obama officials were involved in on this subject.

Think about how Adam Schiff was having witness after witness testify that there was no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion behind closed doors, and he was walking out during breaks in the closed testimony and declaring that they now had evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. He did that in closed hearings that he thought would never be revealed. It was a fake news campaign to smear. And half of the country was buying it without question because they wanted to believe it.
There has to be some punishment for this. You can not have closed hearings, then declare the minutes of the hearings classified or top secret, and then go out in public and lie about what happened in the hearings. That is exactly what happened.

This is abuse of declaring info classified/top secret for the purpose of deceiving the public.

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There has to be some punishment for this. You can not have a closed hearing, then declare the minutes of the hearings classified or top secret, and then go out in public and lie about what happened in the hearings. That is exactly what happened.

This is abuse of declaring info classified for the purpose of deceiving the public.
I’ve stated before he needs to be removed from office. He’s a proven liar and attempted a coup.
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More sleeze from FBI regarding the 302 in Flynn case. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...rview-n2569343
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More sleeze from FBI regarding the 302 in Flynn case. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...rview-n2569343
FBI Director Wray has ordered an internal review of the whole Flynn case.
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Trump Russia FBI investigation never should have been started


https://justthenews.com/accountabili...ently-launched:



Kevin Brock, the former chief of intelligence for the FBI, said the electronic communication did not meet the bureau's rigorous standards for predicating the opening of a criminal or counterintelligence case.

"There is nothing in the EC that meets the traditional thresholds for opening up a FARA or CI investigation," Brock told Just the News. "It appears hastily constructed."

The memo also contains evidence of other red flags, Brock explained, including that Strzok both drafted and approved the opening of his own investigation and originally segregated the memo so it could only be seen by "case participants" and not other FBI officials.

Asked whether as an FBI assistant director he would have approved opening Crossfire Hurricane based on what was in the memo, Brock said: "Not in a millions years. I wouldn’t have approved it as a squad supervisor either. This would have set off alarm bells in any FBI field for not meeting our standards for a predicate."
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I'm still floored by the power that Strzok was given to "set-up" Trump. The texts that reveal his desire to "protect America" from Trump and smelly Walmart people were the key to revealing his political motives. If they had not surfaced, he would still have plausible deniability in the eyes of the never-Trumpers and Dems.

Trump, and Americans in general, were fortunate that Strzok was so careless.
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I'm still floored by the power that Strzok was given to "set-up" Trump. The texts that reveal his desire to "protect America" from Trump and smelly Walmart people were the key to revealing his political motives. If they had not surfaced, he would still have plausible deniability in the eyes of the never-Trumpers and Dems.

Trump, and Americans in general, were fortunate that Strzok was so careless.
And what’s more amazing is that there are those (mainly leftists) who refuse to believe the deep state exists even when confronted with irrefutable evidence.
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Originally Posted by Fudd View Post
I'm still floored by the power that Strzok was given to "set-up" Trump. The texts that reveal his desire to "protect America" from Trump and smelly Walmart people were the key to revealing his political motives. If they had not surfaced, he would still have plausible deniability in the eyes of the never-Trumpers and Dems.

Trump, and Americans in general, were fortunate that Strzok was so careless.
Something about the Russians possibly having dirt on Obama has been revealed as part of people digging into what caused the FBI to start the Crossfire Hurricane Trump Russia investigation...Obama told Strzok that Obama wanted to know everything that Strzok was doing...hard to believe that Obama knew nothing about any of this.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...discovered.php:

Mr. Papadopolous [Redacted] also suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama).



And I wonder how they come up with these cool names for investigations? Crossfire Hurricane. It sounds like a James Bond movie.

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From the Powerline link:

Fourth, it is interesting that the Papadopoulos rumor included a suggestion that the Russians had “dirt” on Barack Obama. Perhaps this has been reported before, but if so, I don’t remember it. Might this be the reason why Obama’s FBI was so interested in the Papadopoulos rumor and determined to act on it, even though, as Strzok readily acknowledged, what the Russians might do needn’t have anything to do with the Trump campaign’s response to the supposed Papadopoulos overture?

Has anyone checked the White House visitor logs to see whether Strzok met frequently with Barack Obama? And might this explain why the Strzok-Page texts include the statement that “potus wants to know everything we’re doing”? Also, how did Lisa Page know what the president wanted?

No doubt Obama preferred Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump as a successor, but there was no love lost between the two. Maybe Obama’s concern, at least initially, was more about his own legacy than the 2016 election. Maybe he was terrified that the Russians might release information that reflected badly on him, relating, possibly, to his assurance to President Medvedev that he would have more “flexibility” to give away the store in Europe after he was re-elected. And who knows what other communications might have passed between President Obama and Vladimir Putin’s regime, which, according to Obama, was no threat at all? (“The 1980s called. They want their foreign policy back.”) Especially since Obama was weirdly determined to forge an alliance with Iran, Russia’s proxy in the Middle East. (Remember that Obama appointed Michael Flynn Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, but then fell out with him because Flynn opposed the Iran nuclear deal.)

The deeper we dive into the worst scandal in American history, the more Barack Obama seems to be a central actor.
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Gregg Jarrett: Trump attorney accuses Mueller of 'monstrous lie and scheme to defraud'

Gregg Jarrett: Trump attorney accuses Mueller of 'monstrous lie and scheme to defraud'.

John Dowd, one of the lead lawyers who represented President Trump during Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian collusion, said Tuesday that the special counsel engineered a perjury trap for Trump in the exact same way that James Comey’s FBI invented a trap for former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

But obstructing what? Mueller readily acknowledged that there was no underlying crime. As Mueller persisted, Trump’s lawyer realized that he had been conned all along

“That is when I knew he had lied to me in our original meeting (June 16, 2017) and every meeting thereafter. Robert Mueller —‘D.C.’s great man’ — completely and deliberately misled us in order to set up a perjury/false statement trap for POTUS. It was a monstrous lie and scheme to defraud.”

Mueller should not walk. Rod Rosenstein should not walk.”

And neither should James Comey, Andrew McCabe and disgraced ex-FBI agent Peter Strzok.

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Step by step factual history of Obama admin’s roll in Flynn matter. Many questions need to be answered. https://justthenews.com/accountabili...gate-narrative
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Rosenstein to testify as first witness in Senate Judiciary's Russia probe

Rosenstein to testify as first witness in Senate Judiciary's Russia probe.

The Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., announced Wednesday that Rosenstein is scheduled to testify before the committee on June 3 at 10:00 a.m.

Two witnesses said Rosenstein offered to wear a wire when speaking to the president. Rosenstein has denied this.

Graham noted that the committee will, among other things, look at "whether Robert Mueller should have ever been appointed as special counsel.”

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Barr asks US Attorney John Bash to review 'unmasking' before and after 2016 election

Barr asks US Attorney John Bash to review 'unmasking' before and after 2016 election.

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Investigation was a sham from beginning per ex-FBI. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...wreck-n2569586
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The transcripts of the Flynn calls with the Russian ambassador were released last night. This included the 12/29/16 call that supposedly was the basis for the big 1/5/17 meeting in the oval office with Obama and Yates and Comey and Clapper and Brennan and Rice and Biden and others.

Read the transcripts for yourself here:
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.ne...ranscripts.pdf

I can't imagine a more benign set of transcripts. At one point Flynn was even supporting Obama by urging the Russians to remain steady in the face of recent Obama diplomat expulsions. The conversations were exactly the kind of discussions one would expect between an incoming National Security Advisor (Flynn) and any foreign ambassador during a presidential transition. This happened to be the Russian ambassador, but similar telephone conversations were most likely occurring with the ambassadors of many foreign countries during this time frame - all of which were completely legal and legitimate and expected.

All of this begs the following question: If the Flynn conversations were so normal, why were Obama and his senior advisors so fixated on Flynn? There has to be another reason. These phone calls certainly don't raise any red flags.

In a related matter- Judge Sullivan's response to the Court of Appeals is due no later than tomorrow. We will see why he is holding up the Flynn case dismissal. Should be interesting.
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All of this begs the following question: If the Flynn conversations were so normal, why were Obama and his senior advisors so fixated on Flynn? There has to be another reason. These phone calls certainly don't raise any red flags.
Agree, does not make sense. Something else had to be going on.
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Michael Flynn case: Oral arguments set on motion to dismiss case

Michael Flynn case: Oral arguments set on motion to dismiss case.

Oral arguments in the Justice Department’s motion to compel the federal judge to dismiss the case against Michael Flynn have been set for June 12 before the U.S. Court of Appeals for Washington, D.C.

The three-judge panel hearing the case will consist of judges appointed by Presidents George H.W. Bush, Obama and Trump.

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McCabe Says Rosenstein Lied in Senate Testimony Today

Did Rosenstein throw McCabe under the bus today? McCabe and Rosenstein are at odds with each other. McCabe accusing Rosenstein of lying today:

“Mr. Rosenstein’s claims to have been misled by me, or anyone from the FBI, regarding our concerns about President Trump and the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russia are completely false,” McCabe said in a statement Wednesday. “Mr. Rosenstein approved of, and suggested ways to enhance, our investigation of the President,” he continued. “Further, I personally briefed Mr. Rosenstein on Jim Comey’s memos describing his interactions with the President mere days after Mr. Rosenstein wrote the memo firing Jim Comey.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcc...on-comey-memos

Rosenstein said he would not have signed a key FISA warrant if he knew then what he knows now. A lttle late in time.

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We are in the middle of a Pandemic and a Civil Insurrection and this is how Congress spends their time? Maybe, just maybe we do need a new form of government.
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We are in the middle of a Pandemic and a Civil Insurrection and this is how Congress spends their time? Maybe, just maybe we do need a new form of government.
it’s up to the the states and municipalities to monitor their local jurisdictions. Unfortunately many have failed miserably in dem controlled areas. The “pandemic” is actually dying down, businesses are reopening, the stock market is booming. The last thing we want is Congress now getting in the way. Remember the nine scariest words are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”.
I would investigating FISA abuses as found by the IG Is a pretty important part of congressional oversight.
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Did Rosenstein throw McCabe under the bus today? McCabe and Rosenstein are at odds with each other. McCabe accusing Rosenstein of lying today:

“Mr. Rosenstein’s claims to have been misled by me, or anyone from the FBI, regarding our concerns about President Trump and the Trump campaign’s interactions with Russia are completely false,” McCabe said in a statement Wednesday. “Mr. Rosenstein approved of, and suggested ways to enhance, our investigation of the President,” he continued. “Further, I personally briefed Mr. Rosenstein on Jim Comey’s memos describing his interactions with the President mere days after Mr. Rosenstein wrote the memo firing Jim Comey.”

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Rosenstein said he would not have signed a key FISA warrant if he knew then what he knows now. A lttle late in time.
They attempted an overthrow of a duly elected President and now that the facts are coming out it looks like the rats are running for cover. The next several weeks are going to be interesting.
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We are in the middle of a Pandemic and a Civil Insurrection and this is how Congress spends their time? Maybe, just maybe we do need a new form of government.
So what better form of government would you suggest?
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We are in the middle of a Pandemic and a Civil Insurrection and this is how Congress spends their time? Maybe, just maybe we do need a new form of government.
In my opinion, this is the best way for Congress to be spending it's time right now. This civil unrest is peanuts compared to the coup that was attempted within the bureaucracy. Just read through this thread to get up-to-date on how serious and deeply corrupt this attempt to reverse the 2016 election was. Stack it up to what Richard Nixon attempted to put it in the proper historical perspective for yourself.

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Rosenstein admits that by August, 2017 there was no evidence of collusion. https://justthenews.com/government/r...nst-misconduct
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Sen. Lee on Rosenstein's 'stunning' admission on FISA renewal application against Carter Page

Sen. Mike Lee said Thursday that Rod Rosenstein made a “stunning” admission when the former deputy attorney general told senators he was “not sure” that he read the entire Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) renewal application against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

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Sen. Mike Lee said Thursday that Rod Rosenstein made a “stunning” admission when the former deputy attorney general told senators he was “not sure” that he read the entire Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) renewal application against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

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Rosenstein approved spying on a Presidency without reading the FISA application itself? Doesn't that set off alarms on it's own? Why would he rubber stamp such an application when it involves such sensitive political ramifications? Was he that inept? Or is he just trying to stay out of legal jeopardy by claiming ignorance?

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Rosenstein approved spying on a Presidency without reading the FISA application itself? Doesn't that set off alarms on it's own? Why would he rubber stamp such an application when it involves such sensitive political ramifications? Was he that inept? Or is he just trying to stay out of legal jeopardy by claiming ignorance?

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Rosenstein did not even read the whole FISA application. Sounds like amateur hour for such an important thing like a FISA app. That was a nutty/sloppy thing for RR to have done IMO.

Sounds like Pelosi: you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it.
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Rosenstein approved spying on a Presidency without reading the FISA application itself? Doesn't that set off alarms on it's own? Why would he rubber stamp such an application when it involves such sensitive political ramifications? Was he that inept? Or is he just trying to stay out of legal jeopardy by claiming ignorance?

Suddenly, nobody remembers anything.
So was RR the last line of defense against FBI/Deep State overreach/abuse before the spying was approved? Is that the implication? RR was the one who was supposed to make sure this FISA app was legit?
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So was RR the last line of defense against FBI/Deep State overreach/abuse before the spying was approved? Is that the implication? RR was the one who was supposed to make sure this FISA app was legit?
Isn't it the responsibility of all of the "signers/authorizers" to be sure that the FISA application is "legit"? Otherwise, who is responsible?

They are not just signing their names to it to make it look nice.

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Strzok's notes during the time of the Flynn affair have just surfaced. I hear there is much there that will contribute to the further exoneration of Flynn. I'm not sure when they will be unsealed for the public.

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Strzok's notes during the time of the Flynn affair have just surfaced. I hear there is much there that will contribute to the further exoneration of Flynn. I'm not sure when they will be unsealed for the public.
Amazing how this stuff just keeps showing up out of the blue.
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Good news. Appeals court orders trial court to dismiss Flynn case. This is the start of the dismantling of the deep state. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/app...ong-legal-saga
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Strzok's notes during the time of the Flynn affair have just surfaced. I hear there is much there that will contribute to the further exoneration of Flynn. I'm not sure when they will be unsealed for the public.
I’m hearing that these notes discuss Obama and Biden and their roles in some of this. Should be interesting.
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Here we go. The notes are out and Obama has some explaining to do. As does Biden. Comey states the Flynn call “appears legit”.
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Here we go. The notes are out and Obama has some explaining to do. As does Biden. Comey states the Flynn call “appears legit”.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/24...ynn-operation/
All the people in that room knew it was normal for an incoming official in the position of Flynn to contact foreign officials and discuss such things. Obama's administration officials did the exact same thing when they were preparing for office, and they freely admit that.

So that is the context and backdrop of this whole scandal.

But the President of the United States, knowing that, and in the waning days of his Presidency, decided to quarterback an "investigation" of Flynn and keep it secret from the next administration. Why? On what grounds? Why does the President get involved and demand his political enemies to be secretly targeted? And all the while, this group is spreading the Russian Dossier all over Washington D.C., knowing full well that it was Russian disinformation bought by the DNC. They all knew that talk between incoming officials and ambassadors was the norm. Did Obama really think Trump was controlled by the Russians based on the fake dossier that Hillary purchased from the Russians? That is laughable. This is bigger and more serious than Watergate.

Nobody in that room realized how corrupt this all was? I think they did realize. I think that is why they had the Attorney General try to cover all of their asses by sending an e-mail to herself saying that they were not being corrupt.

When they came up empty on illegal activity against Flynn, they set a perjury trap. They needed something to make the political attack on Trump look legitimate.

Now, consider how dangerous this is for our country. Obama and pals were playing politics with the FBI against their political opponents. If they had to persecute innocent people, it was fine with them. Persecute them with the full power of the Federal Government because they are political opponents. Now we know that even Sleepy Joe was in on the fun.

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Biden is wither a profound liar, or so demented he doesn’t remember what happened. He stated unequivocally just a few weeks ago that he had nothing to do with the Flynn matter. Now we learn he was the one who brought up the bogus Logan Act claim in the meeting.
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Now, consider how dangerous this is for our country.
The most dangerous part of it all is that Obama and Biden will get away with it. They thought they were untouchable at the time, and that is largely correct. The republican establishment is too spineless to act and the media will do that whatever it takes to protect them. All it will end up doing is demonstrating to any future dem administrations just how much above the law and the constitution they will be.
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The most dangerous part of it all is that Obama and Biden will get away with it. They thought they were untouchable at the time, and that is largely correct. The republican establishment is too spineless to act and the media will do that whatever it takes to protect them. All it will end up doing is demonstrating to any future dem administrations just how much above the law and the constitution they will be.
I am still holding out hope that Durham and Barr will take some action, better hurry up though, I imagine that Durham will be largely shut down if Trump loses in November.
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I am still holding out hope that Durham and Barr will take some action, better hurry up though, I imagine that Durham will be largely shut down if Trump loses in November.
They won't go after Obama or Biden . ....not a chance.
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I’ve never watched the “West Wing”, but could it be that Obama got the idea to spy on Trump from a west wing episode? https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/0...gh-to-be-true/
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Supreme Court Blocks Congress From Mueller Docs

Supreme Court Blocks Congress From Mueller Docs

The Democrats in Congress who were seeking access to the testimony will be blocked from obtaining it until after November.

The Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case next term, which begins in October. This makes the decision due by the end of the court’s term in 2021.

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Critics of Durham frustrated at his lack of progress...also, some speculation that Durham may wait until after the election to present his findings, which IMO seems like a very bad idea, I think the Dems are becoming more authoritarian seemingly by the day, and I think he will be aggressively stymied from presenting the truth if he waits til after the election.


https://justthenews.com/accountabili...am-prosecution:

A growing number of President Trump's defenders are growing frustrated that Durham’s investigation hasn’t produced a single prosecution after a year of investigation. Iowa Republican Sen. Charles Grassley decried Durham's lack of action as “SAD, SAD, SAD” in a tweet earlier this week.

“The deep state is so deep that [people] get away [with] political crimes/Durham [should] be producing some fruit of his labor,” the former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee declared.

The Justice Department inspector general has already identified 17 major failures of the FBI in compiling the FISA warrant applications, including false information, falsified documents, and omissions of exculpatory evidence.

The FISA court has likewise confirmed that it was, in fact, misled by the FBI.

And now from Britain, where the first and now-disproven allegations of Trump-Russia collusion surfaced in summer 2016, we have been given compelling evidence the FBI withheld information it knew was relevant.

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Very detailed, extensive article revealing many more disturbing details regarding the FBI Russiagate investigation, this time about the conduct of the FBI's Supervisory Intelligence Analyst near the center of the investigation.

The more that is revealed, the worse this whole thing stinks.


https://www.realclearinvestigations....cs_124382.html:

FBI veterans say the analyst’s lack of rigor raises alarms.

“I worked with intel analysts all the time working counterintelligence investigations,” said former FBI Special Agent Michael Biasello, a 25-year veteran of the FBI who spent 10 years in counterintelligence. “This analyst’s work product was shoddy, and inasmuch as these FISA affidavits concerned a presidential campaign, the information he provided [to agents] should have been pristine.”

He suspects Auten was “hand-picked” by Comey or McCabe to work on the sensitive Trump case, which was tightly controlled within FBI headquarters.

“The Supervisory Intel Analyst must be held accountable now, particularly where his actions were intentional, along with anyone who touched those fraudulent [FISA] affidavits,” Biasello said.

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The Swamp does not hold the Swamp accountable irrespective of political party. The system will never side with Trump.
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Another good deep dive article...it details IG Horowitz's long history of failing to nail people to the wall when he has the goods on them, he just lets them off easy/accepts their lame, flimsy excuses/takes their word for it at face value/fails to pursue relevant leads time and again.

If Durham does not deliver multiple indictments of higher-ups/key players, it will be massively disappointing.

https://www.realclearinvestigations....ss_120565.html

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The Swamp does not hold the Swamp accountable irrespective of political party. The system will never side with Trump.
Agree with this 1000%. Current system is designed for Democratic control, been that was for decades, actually close to a century. Regardless of facts, little will happen to democrat folk who cet gaught with their hand in the cookie jar. Not going to change in the future. It's in the swamp's self interest to keep the swamp going. The future of the Republic has indeed changed for the worse in the last few years. We have no guarentee of success, and the more we slide to a socialistic or communist state the worse off we will be. We are not down the tube yet, but the water is starting to swirl.
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