Miami Game - A win but a lot to be unhappy about

[SeasonTicketFan]

Archie spent an extremely long time in the locker after the game before the radio show. You don't have to have ESP to figure out why.

Yes, UD won and Kyle made a great shot, but that was a terrible, terrible performance. Yes, Miami played very hard and they make teams play ugly. However, UD for the 3rd consecutive game was uninspired and lackluster and not mentally disciplined.

Where do you begin?
1) Archie said Scoochie has played 6 consecutive weak (or bad) halves. He had some really dumb fouls. Not a good floor game for him.
2) Perimeter defense is sad. Every team is lighting UD up on 3s. After a while, the data says it is not a coincidence. #33 lit UD up in the first half for 12. Yes, he only one 3 after the break, but he dished to a lot of open 3s in the 2nd half.
3) The freshman have regressed. They are erratic and playing worse than they did in November. They had lots of dumb turnovers and defensive breakdowns. When they were in the game, Miami advanced... This is not the first game that they played poorly.
4) Offense is lost especially in the first half. I joked that I was going to start arriving at UD Arena at halftime. They have played really well right after halftime for 3 straight games for about 5-10 minutes, then back to stall mode.
5) Free throw shooting is still bad. I can't understand Cooke is so inconsistent.
6) Cooke can't finish at the basket well. He gets to the rim, but does not protect the ball like Kendall and his shots are blocked and contested to often.
7) Rebounding showed a lack of effort.
8) The zone confused the players. Put tall players out top and they have trouble getting the ball to the middle or back of the zone.

Sorry to be so negative, but this team looks mentally slow and perhaps physically slow. There does seem to be a pattern. Archie's teams seem to struggle during the month of December. (But.... They peak in February and March.)

There were some good highlights.
1) The Kyle Davis shot was a tough shot. Who would have thought that he takes the game winner?
2) Cooke lit Miami up in the second half.
3) Darrell is starting to shoot better.
4) Pierre is back.
5) The Monmouth bench performed at halftime. At least the performers seemed like them.
6) The alumni cheerleaders added life
7) Jordan Sibert was at the game!!

A win is a win is win is a win. This team has some work to do. Archie will turn them around. However, these guys might have a hard,hard practice in the next day or two. I would not want to be in that practice session.

[frisco flyer]

Our zone offense is not good.
Bring on the Canadian stud.

[Falcon7]

Miami totally blew the end of the game! Thanks for the early Christmas present.

[UD62]

beginning to think we are not who we think we are. More bad games than good,especially against weak teams. See where the Hogs waxed North Florida tonight so they will come in on a high. Other than the Alabama game we have not put two good halves together and on several occasions have strung two bad halves together.

[Flyer 86]

it's worked in the past tremendously. But i don't like this play the 4 freshman theory. Of 4 freshmen you usually have 1 or 2 ready to at least NOT hurt you and to get some good minutes, show improvements , etc.

Really think Coach should dial in KD for point 5 to 7 minutes a game. Cause Crosby isn't ready. Too many turnovers and ill advised choices.

Of the 5 Xeyrius and Big Mac most ready. Crosby i mentioned. Mikesell, we'll see.
Sam had to play minutes in the games 3 thru 8, but now it's time he takes a backseat.
Unfortunately, SS is getting tired early in the year. Maybe it's finals, maybe tough practices - but he ain't himself. Maybe playing D is wearing him out . Coach has to figure it out. And soon.

As Scooch goes, we go. DP will obviously help. Scooch can rest a little as we have Dp to help actually move the ball around effectively.

Cooke is trying too hard. The stuff he got away with at J Madison won't work . Needs to play more disciplined - esp against zones.

We are really learning how much a glue guy Jordan Sibert was last year. Everybody knew their place in the offense, and JS hit SO many big shots often!

Pierre coming back will or should cure a few things. I'm hoping ball movement is the main one, as well as being a go to guy for important momentum changing baskets.

Miffed.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by UD62 beginning to think we are not who we think we are. More bad games than good,especially against weak teams. See where the Hogs waxed North Florida tonight so they will come in on a high. Other than the Alabama game we have not put two good halves together and on several occasions have strung two bad halves together.

We have had some very impressive wins against some very good teams. I believe we are as good as our record indicates. When Pierre starts playing we are going to be a much better team especially against the zone. We are struggling against the zone now because of PG play when Scoochie is not in the game and also because we don't have a player that can catch the ball at the top of the key and drive the lane or pass to the open shooters like Pierre does. If Pierre starts getting meaningful minutes, this team is going to get noticeably better.

[Sid Louick]

Originally Posted by UD62 beginning to think we are not who we think we are. More bad games than good,especially against weak teams. See where the Hogs waxed North Florida tonight so they will come in on a high. Other than the Alabama game we have not put two good halves together and on several occasions have strung two bad halves together.

Agree we have had more bad games than good but can't agree they were against "weak" teams. We have played very few "weak" teams. Six or seven of the teams we have played so far have a good chance to dance in March.

[longtimefan67]

Agree with Sid above and add: Archies teams seem to come out of the gate more ready the first few games of the season than most. Every team should be getting better as the season progresses AND because our national status is much better the last few years, we are getting a huge target on our back that I'm not sure the players quite get. Miami? Throw out the record book no matter what year it is- that's always going to be a difficult game.

Team looks worn down right now and in need of a break. Welcome back DP- couldn't have come at a better time. Don't understand all the negativity after a last second win because a win is a win is a win...

Kyle Davis is becoming an all time favorite for me. He's got Kevin Conrad toughness, Johnny Davis quickness and will to win like KW or Pax.

Merry Christmas everyone; if you feel you need perspective of how bad things could be- go back to the last JOB season. Feel better?
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[maddog07]

Lot of blame to spread around last night. We were choking down the stretch with unforced errors leading to straight points for MU, most on stupid turnovers. Pollard played 37 mins with limited effect. We did not penetrate effectively, did not get the ball inside and I think we got out coached ( except for the technical- that turned out to be the margin of victory). We allowed MU to spread the floor a lot and play one on one, negating our size advantage.

[College B-Ball Fan]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Archie spent an extremely long time in the locker after the game before the radio show. You don't have to have ESP to figure out why. Yes, UD won and Kyle made a great shot, but that was a terrible, terrible performance. Yes, Miami played very hard and they make teams play ugly. However, UD for the 3rd consecutive game was uninspired and lackluster and not mentally disciplined. Where do you begin? 1) Archie said Scoochie has played 6 consecutive weak (or bad) halves. He had some really dumb fouls. Not a good floor game for him. 2) Perimeter defense is sad. Every team is lighting UD up on 3s. After a while, the data says it is not a coincidence. #33 lit UD up in the first half for 12. Yes, he only one 3 after the break, but he dished to a lot of open 3s in the 2nd half. 3) The freshman have regressed. They are erratic and playing worse than they did in November. They had lots of dumb turnovers and defensive breakdowns. When they were in the game, Miami advanced... This is not the first game that they played poorly. 4) Offense is lost especially in the first half. I joked that I was going to start arriving at UD Arena at halftime. They have played really well right after halftime for 3 straight games for about 5-10 minutes, then back to stall mode. 5) Free throw shooting is still bad. I can't understand Cooke is so inconsistent. 6) Cooke can't finish at the basket well. He gets to the rim, but does not protect the ball like Kendall and his shots are blocked and contested to often. 7) Rebounding showed a lack of effort. 8) The zone confused the players. Put tall players out top and they have trouble getting the ball to the middle or back of the zone. Sorry to be so negative, but this team looks mentally slow and perhaps physically slow. There does seem to be a pattern. Archie's teams seem to struggle during the month of December. (But.... They peak in February and March.) There were some good highlights. 1) The Kyle Davis shot was a tough shot. Who would have thought that he takes the game winner? 2) Cooke lit Miami up in the second half. 3) Darrell is starting to shoot better. 4) Pierre is back. 5) The Monmouth bench performed at halftime. At least the performers seemed like them. 6) The alumni cheerleaders added life 7) Jordan Sibert was at the game!! A win is a win is win is a win. This team has some work to do. Archie will turn them around. However, these guys might have a hard,hard practice in the next day or two. I would not want to be in that practice session.

STF, I agree with most of the points you've made in your post. THX for the thoughts!

I am more and more impressed with CCooke! Rebounding, defense on most occasions including those when he is asked to guard the other teams best guard threat, etc. & oh 18 in the second half including his "bank" shot the put us up 6-----should have been the dagger! He sure seems to work at trying to be a complete, Archie Miller kinda' player! Also clearly is our go to guy at this point in the season-----even despite the runner Kyle put in last night with 2.1 seconds left!

We have had a tough month----travel with a "T", tough high value RPI teams with multiple wins against several that will continue to pay dividends as long as we avoid a bad loss like one last night against miami on our home floor would have been etc. Kids need a break and I do to after that game last night! LOL

All in all, I think all of us are satisfied or more than satisfied with our record, RPI, etc. And we should be! We will get better if what we've seen through the first four years of Miller's tenure continue's and I'm confident it will!

Kids get to go home, recharge with some of Mom's home cooking, visits with relatives and get some additional rest and time away from AM and the basketball court----even if it's only 2-3 days I am confident the time away WILL make a difference going forward for the team and coach!

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by maddog07 ( except for the technical- that turned out to be the margin of victory).

What happened there? They didn't get a technical for the coach trying to call a timeout, did they?

[rollo]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 What happened there? They didn't get a technical for the coach trying to call a timeout, did they?

It was an over-and-back call....Bucky said that the official who called it, DJ Carstensen, came over to the table at half and asked him whether the ball was touched or not (meaning, 'did I blow the call?') and Bucky told him it wasn't and went on to say that DJ is an 'upstanding' person...

[THirt]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 What happened there? They didn't get a technical for the coach trying to call a timeout, did they?

Their coach was complaining during a timeout about the calls going UD's way.

Before the technical, they had called 11 fouls on Miami, and we had taken 15 free throws. After the technical, they only called 4 more fouls on Miami in the last 17:02 and UD shot a grand total of one free throw. 9 fouls called on is in the same span.
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[MrFlyerFanatic]

The game has officially changed.
"Points of emphasis" are out the window.
Just as the guys were figuring out what a foul is, the calls have changed. There was a ton of contact by both teams both on the perimeter and in the paint that went uncalled. In Orlando, teams were in the bonus with 10+ minutes to go in the first half. We've been nowhere close in the past few games.
Cooke and KDavis were doing a lot of hand checking on the perimeter with no calls until late in the 2nd half. Only ONE illegal screen was called the entire game.
I hated the early season free throw parades, but even more so, I hate inconsistent officiating. A foul in November should be a foul in March. Now, it's not even a foul in late December.

[UD94]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 What happened there? They didn't get a technical for the coach trying to call a timeout, did they?

The technical occurred right after the horrible turnover by Miami that led to Cooke's breakaway dunk. After the dunk, Cooke slapped the backboard with his right hand. I think the coach went ballistic over this wanting a technical foul on Cooke as his own technical happened right after this (Miami called a timeout at this point). I'm pretty sure the refs did not see the slap (or were in position to see it), but I clearly saw it and thought Cooke might get a technical called on him (I've seen this called multiple times in A-10 play).

I might be way off base, but this could be a plausible explanation.

[UD62]

We have had some good wins, but even in those wins we have played bad halved of basketball, big leads vs Iowa and Monmouth disappear in the second half, down 16 in first half at Vandy, First half against Furman and W&M,both halves against Redwawks. No comment on the second half against X. I believe we have talent, just having a little trouble understanding the uneven level of play that is becoming a pattern. While a win is a win, Iowa,Monmouth, and Miami could have easily gone the other way. But they didn't and we are 9-2 and sit pretty well in rankings and power indexes. Bring on the Hogs, just hope that the Flyers bring it.

[Radar]

I'm pretty sure the extra time spent with the team post-game had more to do with them embarking on Christmas break and players anxious to meet their families after the game.

[Alberto Strasse]

I hope he is healthy and happy. He does not look like the same player who led Dayton in Orlando and made the All-Tournament team. I thought Miami's changing zone "D's" really confused both Scooch and Crosby. They appeared unable to identify the looks and attack them. We get little or no dribble penetration against the zone which is unfortunate. The Flyers have much work to do in preparation for Arkansas. They cannot afford another poor offensive show at home.

[SC_Flyer]

Did anyone think the charge on Pollard at the end was bunk? The video replay during the streaming clearly showed the Miami player did a bit of a side slide after Pollard was in the air. I know that these are the hardest calls in basketball, but it still drives me crazy when they can have that much impact late in the game.

[keats '91]

I think Scoochie's energy will return when somebody steps up a starts making shots. He was focus of team early, always bringing the energy and initiating the offensive spark. But when guys catch ball on perimeter and hold the ball and then pass it around, it has to be frustrating... and draining to do it again, again, again...

[ud2]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Miami? Throw out the record book no matter what year it is- that's always going to be a difficult game.

Agree, Miami is traditionally a tough game, we won, people should try not to get too upset at the result.

[Ready Action]

Originally Posted by ud2 Agree, Miami is traditionally a tough game, we won, people should try not to get too upset at the result.

I think people are more upset as to how the team has looked the last few games and not just the Miami game. You hope from one game to the next you'll see improvements and things smooth out. They better put it together real soon as conference season is approaching fast. If they don't the conference foes will make the Miami game look like a masterpiece

[DGO67]

Originally Posted by keats '91 I think Scoochie's energy will return when somebody steps up a starts making shots. He was focus of team early, always bringing the energy and initiating the offensive spark. But when guys catch ball on perimeter and hold the ball and then pass it around, it has to be frustrating... and draining to do it again, again, again...

I was at the game (after a 5 hr drive), stayed for AM's post-game, listened to radio show from Flannigan's and read all about it this morning in the DDN.
Consensus: when DP takes his position, opponents' zone (which at times resembles the Iron Curtain ) will be toast. DP has the skill set to read and react to openings that zones typically present. Scootch will no longer bear the burden of single-handedly breaking a zone. Plus, that extra millisecond for Scootch should eliminate some of the ball handling gaffs of late. It must really wear on Scootch to be neutralized on offense!
As mentioned already, this was a game of 35 minutes of mediocrity surrounding 5 meetings of real skillful performance.
btw, when KD hit that floater at the end, I checked the roof to make sure it wasn't caving in...wow!!!

[Runnin' Rebel]

Maybe it was just me, but...

It seemed like for most of the game, all Miami did was have #0 and #33 drive to the basket, initiate contact (typically by jumping into the chest of the defender), and then the zebra's would call a foul.

But on Miami's most important trip down the floor at the end of the game, the zebra's swallowed their whistles... and didn't call the same foul they had been calling all game.

[UD94]

I'm glad they swallowed their whistles on Miami's last play (when they were up by 1). I sat and watched #33 in the 2nd half 3 times in a row (or close to) start at the top of the key, start driving to the hoop, flailing his head backwards wildly all 3 times, and getting 3 calls from the clueless zebras, one on Kyle, one on Scoochie (his 3rd), and one on Charles. It was bush league basketball and the dumdum refs fell for it time and time again.

[Sea Bass]

Dayton carved up the Miami zone early in the 2nd half. They scored 19 points in less 6 minutes to start the half. Then Scoochie went to the bench after picking up his 3rd foul. I was hoping Archie would leave him in because IMO another 3 to 4 minutes and the Flyers would have put the game out of reach.

Instead Scoochie spent most of the the remaining time on the bench and the Flyers scored 16 points in the last 14 minutes. In addition the Flyers made three live ball turnovers that led to breakaway layups.

The team simply falls apart offensively without Scoochie. I expect that Pierre will help a lot in this area because IMO he is best creator and passer on the team. The dropoff of the offense was not nearly as disastrous last year when Scoochie left the floor.

Miami really did not run an offense. They ran down the shot clock and then expected their guards to make plays off the bounce. Reminding of how Temple played offense when Chaney was the coach.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

I was happy to see Coach Donoher attend with Darrell Hedric. Hedric was a Miami player and Miami head coach from 1970 until 1984. Hedric is 82 and Donoher 83, so they both played and coached against each other. Read today that Hedric is the only coach to defeat both Dean Smith and Bob Knight on their home courts.
Very happy for Kyle, that he made the winning shot, the first of his high school or college career. He competes with a "fire in his belly" and it was nice to see him get a little glory!

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[maddog07]

Perhaps a bit too much glory. He would not have needed the miracle **** if he hadn't committed two terrible to's in crunch time, the second leading to a breakaway to give Miami the lead.
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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel Maybe it was just me, but... It seemed like for most of the game, all Miami did was have #0 and #33 drive to the basket, initiate contact (typically by jumping into the chest of the defender), and then the zebra's would call a foul. But on Miami's most important trip down the floor at the end of the game, the zebra's swallowed their whistles... and didn't call the same foul they had been calling all game.

I noticed it also. Thought I saw a lot of Miami players leaning/bumping to initiate contact, almost like they researched this and found it to be effective for the offensive player. Glad the refs didn't bail them out at the end.

Incidentally, we saw in my mind 2 incredible plays the last 60 seconds or so...

The first being KP block which may have been more impressive than any clutch block I've ever seen by a Flyer player or anyone else for that matter (Pro's included)- since that was a sure 2 points right there swatted away.

The second was the rebound push by CC and the unselfishness/recognition to pass it off to KD when he realized he had no play at the hoop AND see KD was wide open. I never expected that KD would drive and make an incredible off balance shot that he did. Was expecting him to just shoot from the corner. That play brought back memories of Chapman to Young- 83/84 against DePaul. This game reminds me a lot of the first game of JS career when he made that miracle 3...

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Dayton carved up the Miami zone early in the 2nd half. They scored 19 points in less 6 minutes to start the half. Then Scoochie went to the bench after picking up his 3rd foul. I was hoping Archie would leave him in because IMO another 3 to 4 minutes and the Flyers would have put the game out of reach. Instead Scoochie spent most of the the remaining time on the bench and the Flyers scored 16 points in the last 14 minutes. In addition the Flyers made three live ball turnovers that led to breakaway layups. The team simply falls apart offensively without Scoochie. I expect that Pierre will help a lot in this area because IMO he is best creator and passer on the team. The dropoff of the offense was not nearly as disastrous last year when Scoochie left the floor. Miami really did not run an offense. They ran down the shot clock and then expected their guards to make plays off the bounce. Reminding of how Temple played offense when Chaney was the coach.

Excellent points. Archie said Scoochie was off the last three games, but when he was out the team was really off. Not a good combination.

Miami's offense especially in the 2nd half reminded me of Temple. They would isolate 33 to one side of the floor. They knew that he could beat the defender off the dribble. I was disappointed that Kyle especially was ineffective against him. When defensive assistance arrived, he would kick it out for an open 3. I was not as bothered my the official's calls, because too often he beat the defender and drew contact. It is the same thing Kendall does. I was disappointed that the defenders were getting beat one on one so much. The refs will call it 99% if the defender is beaten followed by contact.

I thought the last three teams played harder and with more passion than UD. The team seems to have left some of their intensity and hunger in Nashville.

Archie's teams seem to play poorly in December and then begin to improve in conference play especially in February. I would rather have the team slump now than in conference play. (But I wish they had pulled out the UTC game).

I am concerned mostly about the freshman, but I think they have the opportunity to improve. Knowing Archie, I am confident that he will bring them along.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by UD94 I'm glad they swallowed their whistles on Miami's last play (when they were up by 1). I sat and watched #33 in the 2nd half 3 times in a row (or close to) start at the top of the key, start driving to the hoop, flailing his head backwards wildly all 3 times, and getting 3 calls from the clueless zebras, one on Kyle, one on Scoochie (his 3rd), and one on Charles. It was bush league basketball and the dumdum refs fell for it time and time again.

Was in the Pep Band last night, and got increasingly frustrated every time #33 pulled one of those crap drives to the hoop. His only "move" was "Drive to the hoop. Jump into or push-off the defender. Hope the refs call the foul on the defense." And more than once, our guy was step-for-step with #33 on the drive, but he'd throw a forearm into our guy, and the stripes (Carstensen and his fellow idiots) would call our guy for fouling #33's forearm with their chest. SMH. Started yelling, "Whutchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?", since #33 reminded me of the late Gary Coleman from Diff'rent Strokes. Oh, well, a win is a win is a win.
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[OSU Flyer]

Didn't get a chance to see the game but looking at the box score it looked like Cooke had a really bad 1st half and turned it on in the 2nd?

[keats '91]

Don't forget his 'move' to have his head thrown back like he was shot. I swear they teach that soccer style crap. If you get any contact coming off a pick, you have to sell the contact as a push.
I think I know how the Detroit pistons of the 80s would solve that problem, but we would not have enough players to finish the game.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by keats '91 Don't forget his 'move' to have his head thrown back like he was shot. I swear they teach that soccer style crap. If you get any contact coming off a pick, you have to sell the contact as a push. I think I know how the Detroit pistons of the 80s would solve that problem, but we would not have enough players to finish the game. Posted via Mobile Device

Yeah, I neglected to mention that part of his "game". I think he picked that up watching some of the old pros...like Hulk Hogan, the Iron Shiek, Randy "The Macho Man" Savage, etc., etc. The acting was apparently just as believable.
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[UDDoug]

Reading this one might think Dayton was getting homered on its own court. Of course at one point Miami had been called for 11 fouls and Dayton 3. And Miami shot very few free throws.

The next time Scoochie or Kyle come off a ball screen and "throw their head back" won't be the first time they used that part of the "game".

[CE80]

Was it the Providence or Oklahoma game where Scoochie looked like he was shot and went down. The replay showed he wasn't touched.
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[Buckleyma]

Perhaps,this string of posts should appreciate Kyle Davis more? He has won games for us both by defense and now by offense.
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[maddog07]

I work with some people who do the same thing- cause a problem ( see his two to's in crunch time), then get lauded for working on a solution!
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by maddog07 I work with some people who do the same thing- cause a problem ( see his two to's in crunch time), then get lauded for working on a solution! Posted via Mobile Device

Munchausen by proxy.
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[Catman94]

Originally Posted by Buckleyma Perhaps,this string of posts should appreciate Kyle Davis more? He has won games for us both by defense and now by offense. Posted via Mobile Device

KD makes a lot of mistakes (e.g. seems like he fouls 3-point shooters way too often) but always keeps going until the buzzer and finds a way to affect the outcome.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Awful lot of whining and crying when we are 9-2 and there isn't a soul on this board that wouldn't have taken that after DP's suspension was announced. Jordan Sibert had to drain a game winning 3 against an awful IPFW team 2 years ago at home at the buzzer to win. How'd that season go?

R-E-L-A-X

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 Awful lot of whining and crying when we are 9-2 and there isn't a soul on this board that wouldn't have taken that after DP's suspension was announced. Jordan Sibert had to drain a game winning 3 against an awful IPFW team 2 years ago at home at the buzzer to win. How'd that season go? R-E-L-A-X

Great point. What would we rather have? Brian Gregory starts or Archie Miller finishes?

	Brian Gregory BRIAN GREGORY UD Men's Basketball Head Coach since 2004. Groomed by the likes of Judd Heathcoate and Tom Izzo at Michigan State, as well as Kevin O'Neill and others, Gregory's defensive-minded leadership has led Dayton to NCAA and multiple NIT appearances. A good recruiter, BG has elevated the athleticism of the squad in recent years and kept top area talent at home. Still looking for that breakthrough season with his own players that catapult him to the NCAA tourney. Graduated from Oakland University.

[mook]

Originally Posted by UD94 I'm glad they swallowed their whistles on Miami's last play (when they were up by 1). I sat and watched #33 in the 2nd half 3 times in a row (or close to) start at the top of the key, start driving to the hoop, flailing his head backwards wildly all 3 times, and getting 3 calls from the clueless zebras, one on Kyle, one on Scoochie (his 3rd), and one on Charles. It was bush league basketball and the dumdum refs fell for it time and time again.

I refer to that move at the Tu Holloway because I swear that's how he got 90% of his free throws, especially late in games.

[Archie MillerLite]

Dayton is in a better spot for an at large bid at this point in the season than the previous two. It boggles my mind why people are up in arms. DP will work his way back into the rotation and our I bet Dayton is looking at a 6-9 seed instead of barely scraping by.

MillerLite out.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan I was happy to see Coach Donoher attend with Darrell Hedric. Hedric was a Miami player and Miami head coach from 1970 until 1984. Hedric is 82 and Donoher 83, so they both played and coached against each other. Read today that Hedric is the only coach to defeat both Dean Smith and Bob Knight on their home courts. Very happy for Kyle, that he made the winning shot, the first of his high school or college career. He competes with a "fire in his belly" and it was nice to see him get a little glory!

He should've gotten that glory last year at GW. The guy seems clutch whether it be with FTs or shots at the end of games. He nailed a great 3 against GW that should've given us a great road win last year but Scooch messed that up on the defensive end.

	Don Donoher DON DONOHER Legendary Flyer men's basketball coach who guided Dayton to 435 victories in 25 seasons (1964-1989) including the 1967 NCAA Runner-Up. Took over the program after the passing of Tom Blackburn and earned many NCAA and NIT bids over his career, including five Sweet-16s, one Elite Eight appearance, and the 1968 NIT Championship. Groomed All-Americans Don May and Jim Paxson, along with all-time leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman. Coached UD as they joined conference affiliation for the first time (Midwest Collegiate). A graduate of UD, Donoher played for Blackburn and credits much of his coaching success to his mentor's teachings: defense, ball protection, patience, and unselfishness.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Great point. What would we rather have? Brian Gregory starts or Archie Miller finishes?

I tried to thank this post more then once. Site wouldnt let me. Sorta like asking who i want taking game winning free throws, Kurt Huelsman or Brian Roberts?

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Archie MillerLite Dayton is in a better spot for an at large bid at this point in the season than the previous two. It boggles my mind why people are up in arms. DP will work his way back into the rotation and our I bet Dayton is looking at a 6-9 seed instead of barely scraping by. MillerLite out.

Exactly. When was the last time that UD was this comfortably in the field and not on the bubble? The last 3 NCAA bids for UD were an 11 seed, CBS has UD as a 5 seed right now, and I personally think UD can do better than a 5 seed this year.

[Sid Louick]

Originally Posted by ud2 Exactly. When was the last time that UD was this comfortably in the field and not on the bubble? The last 3 NCAA bids for UD were an 11 seed, CBS has UD as a 5 seed right now, and I personally think UD can do better than a 5 seed this year.

Only if we can get by GW, Davidson, URI, Richmond, etc. It's not going to be easy.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by ud2 Exactly. When was the last time that UD was this comfortably in the field and not on the bubble? The last 3 NCAA bids for UD were an 11 seed, CBS has UD as a 5 seed right now, and I personally think UD can do better than a 5 seed this year.

Last year, everyone thought UD was a 7-9 seed comfortably in, only to find out that the team was the last team in.

As I said before, Archie's teams seem to swoon in December but pick it up later in the season. The coaching staff has lots to be concerned about, but also sees lots of upside.

[Catman94]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Last year, everyone thought UD was a 7-9 seed comfortably in, only to find out that the team was the last team in. As I said before, Archie's teams seem to swoon in December but pick it up later in the season. The coaching staff has lots to be concerned about, but also sees lots of upside.

At this time last year, we had one win against a "Tourney Team", Ole Miss that barely made it in. Iowa, Vanderbilt, and probably Monmouth seem to fit as well or better than Ole Miss did; obviously they could all choke but I highly doubt it.

We have the potential for an awesome conference season, including the fact that our toughest games are at home (except maybe Richmond), and there are no stellar teams in our conference. We still have to play the games but I am optimistic that with Freshmen development and integrating DP, there aren't any teams over the course of the entire conference season (conference record) that will rise above us.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[maddog07]

9-2 Its all good!!! Nothing for us to worry about.

The large leads squandered, the close calls ( squeak by #250 MU at home on a miracle shot.) loss of our home court streak to a very pedestrian Chatanooga and a monumental beatdown by X not withstanding......, we are assuredly poised to run the table on the A10 and get a high seed and several win in the tourney. Wonder why Arch even holds practices with everything so secure.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Last year, everyone thought UD was a 7-9 seed comfortably in, only to find out that the team was the last team in.

Last year I complained fairly frequently that I wasn't totally comfortable with some of the bracket projections due to UD's rpi/sos...the dance card had UD out of the field.

However, this year the SOS will be better, and the rpi is great right now, so if we can keep it up, I think we will be comfortably in the field.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

I have no idea where we will sit on Selection Sunday.
One GAME at a time.....and FT dont win every game, JUST THE CLOSE ONES.
GO FLYERS!!

[San Diego Flyer]

We avoided what would have been a crushing loss. What would really have ruined 8 straight days until Arkansas---and a whole lot more-- would have been Kyle missing that last shot.