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Old 11-18-2017, 07:45 AM
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Is it just me or does it look like XW is turning his body to the left further than normal, as if his left foot is dropping back too far and bringing his right foot too far forward? He doesn't seem to be squaring up his shoulders like he used to.

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Yuck. He must find his way out of this for this team, his shooting is a major weapon we must have to beat good teams.
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His form always looked bad...even in his game winners and clutch shots. His problem, like many before him...feet aren't square and he is off balance. When that happens to him...not good. He will get it right.
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Old 11-18-2017, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
Is it just me or does it look like XW is turning his body to the left further than normal, as if his left foot is dropping back too far and bringing his right foot too far forward? He doesn't seem to be squaring up his shoulders like he used to.

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Yuck. He must find his way out of this for this team, his shooting is a major weapon we must have to beat good teams.
Keep in mind that in game 1 he hit his first two 3-pointers...so he's 2-21 since.
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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
Keep in mind that in game 1 he hit his first two 3-pointers...so he's 2-21 since.
He seems to think he’s a 3 point shooter now. He needs to get inside and put some work in the paint for a few easy put backs and then work his way out and take the occasional spot up kick out like last year. At 6’8 we need him inside working and only taking clear good 3’s when they present themselves. Way too many forced and unnessecary outside shots right now.
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The law of averages will catch up to him - he will go on a hot streak and end up a 40% shooter again
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
Is it just me or does it look like XW is turning his body to the left further than normal, as if his left foot is dropping back too far and bringing his right foot too far forward? He doesn't seem to be squaring up his shoulders like he used to.

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I saw that as well. For sure he is not spotting up. He proved he can make 3's, but he also thinks he can manufacture the shot and it's not his DNA. He is too anxious right now. Needs to chill out and let the game come to him. Remember the opponents know he shot them well last year, so he is on their defensive radar. His best spot on the floor is on the left side as you look into the basket. That is another issue. With some small adjustments he will be draining them again.
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Even worse last night he makes his first and then throws up 8 bricks. Watching him warmup the results are similar about 17% on the year, and not close and usually short. He is falling backwards on his follow through. As others said he needs to develop an inside game. Sort of a deja vu of DD.
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Even worse last night he makes his first and then throws up 8 bricks. Watching him warmup the results are similar about 17% on the year, and not close and usually short. He is falling backwards on his follow through. As others said he needs to develop an inside game. Sort of a deja vu of DD.
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Come on, guy shot 48.4% from 3 on the year last year and is still figuring out his role on a team with a ton of new faces. He had 13 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover in 36 minutes last night.

Should he probably drive more, work the inside more? Sure, but I’m not sure I want to tell a guy who shot 48% from deep to stop shooting 3s because of a couple bad games and a funky shooting motion. Heck, in the *same game* last year, he hit the side of the backboard and also drained some threes.

I say if he’s open, he should have the green light.
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X should look to go inside first. When he does he is highly successful. His decision to fire at will cost the team dearly against Hofstra. Sure he should take a few but 17 in 2 games is way too much. I really like him as a player, but he needs to use his height and athleticism first, then pick a few spots to fire up 3s.
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I'm still comfortable with X taking game winners. His mechanics will straighten out. I think this board never wanted Kyle Davis or Devin Oliver to ever take another 3 at one point. They figured it out and finished well.
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He seems to think he’s a 3 point shooter now. He needs to get inside and put some work in the paint for a few easy put backs and then work his way out and take the occasional spot up kick out like last year. At 6’8 we need him inside working and only taking clear good 3’s when they present themselves. Way too many forced and unnessecary outside shots right now.
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In my opinion, that's his game. Nearly 50% of his shots last year were from 3. Right now, I just see the lone returning starter trying to step up his game but is struggling with his shot. Maybe just trying to shoot out of a slump. On the plus side, he's averaging 4.3 apg compared to 1.0 apg last year. Overall game looks better, he'll start hitting shots at some point. I'm not worried.
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I'm still comfortable with X taking game winners. His mechanics will straighten out. I think this board never wanted Kyle Davis or Devin Oliver to ever take another 3 at one point. They figured it out and finished well.
I never wanted to see X shoot another 3 after the St. Marys game last year. He quickly changed my mind. X will figure this out.
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I'm still comfortable with X taking game winners. His mechanics will straighten out. I think this board never wanted Kyle Davis or Devin Oliver to ever take another 3 at one point. They figured it out and finished well.
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Is it just me or does it look like XW is turning his body to the left further than normal, as if his left foot is dropping back too far and bringing his right foot too far forward? He doesn't seem to be squaring up his shoulders like he used to.

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I didnt realize it was that bad... yikes.
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I say if he’s open, he should have the green light.
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Should he stop shooting 3's? No. But once you have missed 4 in a row you have to realize that you may not want to fire away the next trip down the court. It took X 7 or 8 misses and probably a directive from a coach to stop shooting 3's and drive last night. Players have to realize when it's not their night and find another way to score/help the team.
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Come on, guy shot 48.4% from 3 on the year last year and is still figuring out his role on a team with a ton of new faces. He had 13 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover in 36 minutes last night.

Should he probably drive more, work the inside more? Sure, but I’m not sure I want to tell a guy who shot 48% from deep to stop shooting 3s because of a couple bad games and a funky shooting motion. Heck, in the *same game* last year, he hit the side of the backboard and also drained some threes.

I say if he’s open, he should have the green light.
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Agree with a but in there...that percentage won't get to where it needs to be if he doesn't get is feet set and fire square.

Regardless of 3 point percentage...X's defense and rebounding is what has been the most beneficial this season. He length on D has been great to see.

Even when he is cold from the perimeter, the other things that he does really well make him an asset on the floor.
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I think the biggest issue is he's forcing them when he's not set for it. This is caused because this team isn't kicking the ball back out quickly when they get possession on the inside plus there's no Scoochie to get him the perfect pass. He needs to change his mindset and realize the opportunities for him shooting 3s will be less and as mentioned, needs to concentrate on getting his points in the paint. He's probably still our best FT shooter and he needs to get to the line more.
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My biggest problem with X is his mini man bun

Bought alot of goodwill and benefit of the doubt with the last minute in the road game in Kingston last year
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My biggest problem with X is his mini man bun

Bought alot of goodwill and benefit of the doubt with the last minute in the road game in Kingston last year
That's it!!! What's the biggest and most obvious change between last season and this season? His man bun. Get rid of it and 3s will start swishing again. C'mon XW, do it for the team if not for yourself.
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I'm still comfortable with X taking game winners. His mechanics will straighten out. I think this board never wanted Kyle Davis or Devin Oliver to ever take another 3 at one point. They figured it out and finished well.
*raises hand* Yes, that was me. Didn't want Oliver to do it, and Kyle Davis was in my personal "low percentage lottery" of him making a 3pt shot.

I scream at Xeyrious now, because he's not hitting them consistently. As someone else mentioned, after he misses so many in a row, it's time to stop, IMO.

I did a query (what a shocker) to find comparable consecutive games. Since 00-01 season, I found one other player who attempted at least 7 three pointers in 2 consecutive games, and hit less than 25 percent on those 2 games. Ramod Marshall was 0-7 against Duquesne, and 2-9 against Richmond, both wins in the 2004 A10 Tournament. Xeyrious is now player 2, with his 1-8 and 1-9 performances.
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*raises hand* Yes, that was me. Didn't want Oliver to do it, and Kyle Davis was in my personal "low percentage lottery" of him making a 3pt shot.

I scream at Xeyrious now, because he's not hitting them consistently. As someone else mentioned, after he misses so many in a row, it's time to stop, IMO.

I did a query (what a shocker) to find comparable consecutive games. Since 00-01 season, I found one other player who attempted at least 7 three pointers in 2 consecutive games, and hit less than 25 percent on those 2 games. Ramod Marshall was 0-7 against Duquesne, and 2-9 against Richmond, both wins in the 2004 A10 Tournament. Xeyrious is now player 2, with his 1-8 and 1-9 performances.
Great job Figgie. That's a pretty incredible stat. Without knowing the details, I'll bet that the Flyers of 00-01 rebounded more of those 14 misses than the Flyers of 16-17 did with XW's 16 misses.
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To defend Williams a little. At least two shots he had to take because the shot clock was about to expire.

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XW started 2017-2017 season 6/20 in 8 games (this season 4/23 in 3 games). After 6/20 start, went 33/71 or 46% the rest of the way to finish year at 39/91 or 43% and ranked #105 in the country for 3 point percentage.

Last game of 2016-2017, XW was 0/5 versus Witchita State so 4/28 or 14% his last 5 games.

XW only attempted 6 or more 3s in a game 3x last year. He went 3/6 versus Davidson in A-10 Tourney, 5/8 @GW, and 3/7 @Davidson. So 11/21 in the three high volume games last year. Opposite obviously with 4/23 in high volume games this year.

Last year, 93 2 point attempts (45% of attempts assuming FTs count as a 1/2 attempt) , 91 3 point attempts (44% of attempts), and 45 FTs attempts (12% of attempts). Small sample size this year, but 13 2 point attempts (33% of attempts), 23 3 point attempts (59% of attempts) and 5 FT attempts (8% of attempts). Small sample size again, but would like to see XW drive and cut more to the hoop. Perhaps result of AM's offense versus AG'a offense?
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XW started 2017-2017 season 6/20 in 8 games (this season 4/23 in 3 games). After 6/20 start, went 33/71 or 46% the rest of the way to finish year at 39/91 or 43% and ranked #105 in the country for 3 point percentage.

Last game of 2016-2017, XW was 0/5 versus Witchita State so 4/28 or 14% his last 5 games.

XW only attempted 6 or more 3s in a game 3x last year. He went 3/6 versus Davidson in A-10 Tourney, 5/8 @GW, and 3/7 @Davidson. So 11/21 in the three high volume games last year. Opposite obviously with 4/23 in high volume games this year.

Last year, 93 2 point attempts (45% of attempts assuming FTs count as a 1/2 attempt) , 91 3 point attempts (44% of attempts), and 45 FTs attempts (12% of attempts). Small sample size this year, but 13 2 point attempts (33% of attempts), 23 3 point attempts (59% of attempts) and 5 FT attempts (8% of attempts). Small sample size again, but would like to see XW drive and cut more to the hoop. Perhaps result of AM's offense versus AG'a offense?
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Early in the season, but it seems this offense is not as inside out as the past teams. Archie’s offense would stress pushing the ball in then back out for a three. It allows a three shooter to position better for a shot This year, the players seem to be trying to create their own three point shots with less assist passes.

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My biggest problem with X is his mini man bun

Bought alot of goodwill and benefit of the doubt with the last minute in the road game in Kingston last year
When I saw that the first game in Charleston I was like WTH is that! Maybe the extra weight is causing all his off balance shots!

Kostas shaved his head and started playing well. I think Xman should do the same! I'm actually pretty sure Ray Harper doesn't allow man buns so Xman wouldn't have this issue if Ray were the coach.

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Early in the season, but it seems this offense is not as inside out as the past teams. Archie’s offense would stress pushing the ball in then back out for a three. It allows a three shooter to position better for a shot This year, the players seem to be trying to create their own three point shots with less assist passes.

Would be interesting to see how many of Williams shots last year had an assist pass leading to the shot.
This is probably the biggest set back of changing coaches. I'm pretty sure that when a coach decides who he recruits, he looks for a fit into his system. And he conveys this to the recruit. XW probably came in knowing and liking the role Archie had conveyed to him. With a new coach and a new vision for the offense, XW might not have adjusted yet.
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X is now 5/34 from 3 in his last 5 games (Wichita State and 4 games this year) or 15%. On pace to shoot about 225 3s this year (versus 91 last year).

Despite the slow start, X is still a career 34% shooter at 48/132.
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This is probably the biggest set back of changing coaches. I'm pretty sure that when a coach decides who he recruits, he looks for a fit into his system. And he conveys this to the recruit. XW probably came in knowing and liking the role Archie had conveyed to him. With a new coach and a new vision for the offense, XW might not have adjusted yet.
How F'in long does it take someone to adjust to the fact that their shots aren't going in? 4 games, 5? May 10 games? I would like to think X man is smarter than that.

If a 18 ft'er isn't going in move to 15 ft. If 15 ft isn't going in move to 10 ft. And so on. X played closer to the hoop last year (not 100% of the time) but so far he seems to stand outside the perimeter all the time.
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*raises hand* Yes, that was me. Didn't want Oliver to do it, and Kyle Davis was in my personal "low percentage lottery" of him making a 3pt shot.

I scream at Xeyrious now, because he's not hitting them consistently. As someone else mentioned, after he misses so many in a row, it's time to stop, IMO.

I did a query (what a shocker) to find comparable consecutive games. Since 00-01 season, I found one other player who attempted at least 7 three pointers in 2 consecutive games, and hit less than 25 percent on those 2 games. Ramod Marshall was 0-7 against Duquesne, and 2-9 against Richmond, both wins in the 2004 A10 Tournament. Xeyrious is now player 2, with his 1-8 and 1-9 performances.
I could be wrong, but I think X actually made his first or second attempt in the last 2 games of the tourney at least before going cold. You would think that in games where X had an early made three, he'd shoot a high percentage if he is truly the streak shooter most of us think of him as.
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In addition to form issue, he just feels he has a GREEN Light all the time.

Uh no, get into the flow of the game. Get some easy buckets down low first.

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Just show him the tape of his shots and I am sure he'll agree that he didn't have good balance or good form. Some of the shots I remember had him looking like he was doing a Steph Curry where he'd sprint out to a spot outside the arc and almost try to do a turnaround jumper for a 3. Curry can get away with it because he ultimately gets balanced and square to the hoop before he shoots. XW didn't (at all).
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I have no problem with XW taking 3's. I have a big problem with that turning into his entire offensive game. He's 6'9" with long arms, he needs to work down low too. Someone remind him he isn't Luke Fabrizius.
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Who told Xeyrius Williams that he is good at taking 3-point shots? Someone must have convinced him that he is an excellent 3-point perimeter shooter? Was it an AAU coach? As he seems to be acting like he’s playing summer time AAU.
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
How F'in long does it take someone to adjust to the fact that their shots aren't going in? 4 games, 5? May 10 games? I would like to think X man is smarter than that.

If a 18 ft'er isn't going in move to 15 ft. If 15 ft isn't going in move to 10 ft. And so on. X played closer to the hoop last year (not 100% of the time) but so far he seems to stand outside the perimeter all the time.
Oh, I agree. But the question has to be asked. Is Anthony Grant conveying the same thing as this thread? Is Grant telling him not to be camping out for the 3 and to be providing help on the inside? If he's not, blame the coach, if he is and XW isn't listening to him, blame both, XW for not listening to the coach and Grant for not enforcing his orders. As hard as it is, if a player is ignoring the coach, you have to sit him until he gets it in his head that it's in his best interest to follow the instructions.

This is also convincing me that Pierce is being redshirted. There's no way by now he doesn't get a few minutes with all the problems we've had on the inside unless they are tentatively red shirting him.
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Who told Xeyrius Williams that he is good at taking 3-point shots? Someone must have convinced him that he is an excellent 3-point perimeter shooter? Was it an AAU coach? As he seems to be acting like he’s playing summer time AAU.
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He was #105 in the nation last year at 43% shooting from 3. Agree better shot selection and more squared/in-balance when shooting last year.
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He was #105 in the nation last year at 43% shooting from 3. Agree better shot selection and more squared/in-balance when shooting last year.
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Also, he was a fifth option last year behind SS, Davis, Cooke, and Pollard. Last year, top defenders had other assignments. Now in order for XW to be the man, he has to beat the man.
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Also, he was a fifth option last year behind SS, Davis, Cooke, and Pollard. Last year, top defenders had other assignments. Now in order for XW to be the man, he has to beat the man.
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Multiple threads I have seen multiple posters questioning why XW is not benched, or at least severely limited in his playing time.

YES, XW's shot is struggling. A few times he was not even set when he launched a shot, and at other times as crazy as this sounds I think he is trying too hard to carry the team or force shots.

One thing XW is doing considerably better than anyone else on the team is playing defense, both help side and on his man. Yes, a few times I have seen him get burnt or out of position as well.

But thanks to Figgie and his +/-, it is easy to see why XW is getting 34.29 minutes a game, second only to DD in minutes played. XW is leading the team through four games with a +5.75 average. DD is second at +2.25

In addition XW is leading the team in assists and steals, 2nd in blocks and rebounds, and 3rd in scoring.

In AG & Figgie we trust. Confidant XW will be just fine offensively real soon.
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Multiple threads I have seen multiple posters questioning why XW is not benched, or at least severely limited in his playing time.
Really? Did I miss that? Benched or "severely limited" playing time? Plenty of calls for shooting a few less 3's but I can't say I saw those comments at all.
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Really? Did I miss that? Benched or "severely limited" playing time? Plenty of calls for shooting a few less 3's but I can't say I saw those comments at all.
They are out there - there is one in the thread about Jordan Davis that predicts XW is not starting in a couple of months.

Give him time - he'll be fine. If he's not - this season will be harder to watch than I prepared for. I'm counting on the X-Man this year.
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Really? Did I miss that? Benched or "severely limited" playing time? Plenty of calls for shooting a few less 3's but I can't say I saw those comments at all.
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They are out there - there is one in the thread about Jordan Davis that predicts XW is not starting in a couple of months.

Give him time - he'll be fine. If he's not - this season will be harder to watch than I prepared for. I'm counting on the X-Man this year.
In game threads, Golden Rollos, and I think more. One place is too many when you stop to look at the facts I posted.
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The thing is he is WAY off. He is not having tough luck, most of the shots aren't even close. He needs to take 2 a game, not 7.
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The thing is he is WAY off. He is not having tough luck, most of the shots aren't even close. He needs to take 2 a game, not 7.
If they leave him wide open to square up and get off a measured shot, sure, but none of this catch and shoot stuff he's been doing. And someone remind him that he is 6'9" tall and can make inside shots relatively easily if he has any room.
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But thanks to Figgie and his +/-, it is easy to see why XW is getting 34.29 minutes a game, second only to DD in minutes played. XW is leading the team through four games with a +5.75 average. DD is second at +2.25
I can't seem to find Figgie's +/- stats. Where are they? Help please.
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ODU did leave him open. Get the shot off whenever he wanted.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
He was #105 in the nation last year at 43% shooting from 3. Agree better shot selection and more squared/in-balance when shooting last year.
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Maybe XW listened to you. He is now shooting 44% in A10 play. We now have better balance of 3pt shooters since Crutcher has found his stroke, and Jordan as well.

What is curious to me is that Xeyrius appears to have actually lost weight from last year. His profile looks like Kostas. I thought this season he would be leading us in rim protection and challenging Josh for rebounds. At 6'8" his 3 rebounds will fall in his lap. Should be better.
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