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And Gary Parrish now retweets a quote from Hoiberg saying he's not interested.

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Greg Mcdermott is meeting with OSU tonight according to Goodman. Can anybody tell me what he has really ever done when his son wasn't playing for him?

https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/stat...20432632946689

I have also seen Ed Cooley's name mentioned as a candidate. The main problem with him is that he'd have to overcome his feelings about how unfair it is to play home games in Columbus with only a day to prepare.
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If Ohio State ends up hiring Greg McDermott I may not stop laughing for a week.
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Greg Mcdermott is meeting with OSU tonight according to Goodman. Can anybody tell me what he has really ever done when his son wasn't playing for him?
The talk after his son graduated was "Creighton will be a nobody after he leaves school."

Were it not for a key injury this year's team might have been Creighton's best team heading into the NCAAs.
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The talk after his son graduated was "Creighton will be a nobody after he leaves school."

Were it not for a key injury this year's team might have been Creighton's best team heading into the NCAAs.
I will agree with the injury hurting them this season.

Edit: But check out McDermott's stats without his son.

https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/stat...31294596857857

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The talk after his son graduated was "Creighton will be a nobody after he leaves school."

Were it not for a key injury this year's team might have been Creighton's best team heading into the NCAAs.
Perhaps, but McDermott is below .500 in the final ten games of the season throughout his career. He's actually closer to .400. This goes back to his days at Northern Iowa. In November, December, January, and the first week or so of February, he's great. After that, not so much. I know they had injuries last year, but it's hard for me to think that this is simply bad luck. He's good for twenty games. He's bad from game #21 on.

Of course it could be that Ohio State is really thinking outside the box here. They may hire two coaches. McDermott can coach the first twenty games. And then someone else can take over after that.

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I think McDermott is fine. Cooley I am suspect of, I don't really like his offense, sort of like street ball IMO.

Creighton is the first school to ever win 3x at Xavier's Cintas Center, IINM, McDermott coached all 3 of those wins.
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McDermott only coached 2 of the wins at X.

His NCAAT record does give me pause though.

2004, 0-1, 14 seed
2005, 0-1, 11 seed
2006, 0-1, 10 seed

2012, 1-1, 8 seed, beat Anthony Grant and Alabama in first round
2013, 1-1, 7 seed, beat Mick Cronin and UC in first round
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McDermott only coached 2 of the wins at X.

His NCAAT record does give me pause though.
Just search McDermott on twitter and it appears that his record gives Ohio State fans pause too.

If Gene Smith reads the mentions I have a feeling the offer may be retracted by 7am.
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Wow....Didn't see that one coming, Thought they would get a better coach. Talk about starting with a foot in the hole for recruiting, staff.
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The talk after his son graduated was "Creighton will be a nobody after he leaves school."

Were it not for a key injury this year's team might have been Creighton's best team heading into the NCAAs.
Creighton has not made the sweet 16 since Eddie Sutton was coach (1974).
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He is being "assisted" by Eddie Fogler. Ugh.

They had no plan.
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word is out that OSU has offered Greg McDermont (Creighton) the job. BRob2Perryman3 may just get his date with Ms Lucy
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Can an administrator retitled the thread to spell Matta's name properly?
You mean Thaddeus Matto?
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It's not mis-timed if he had someone in mind (perhaps an NBA coach?) that they were going to make a run at, and if it worked out they'd make a change. If not, they'd stay with Matta for another year.

If they ultimately end up getting the person they want then it is not ill timed. Judging by how they're not going to hire a search firm or put together a search committee, which is something Ohio State always does, I'm thinking they already know who it is, and whoever it is was someone they wanted.
"Mistimed" is irrelevant to the outcome. Mistimed is mistimed. Unless they already have someone in their back pocket who has agreed to the job, it's still mistimed.

It doesn't matter if they end up with Coach K as the outcome of the process, it would have been better timed to get Coach K 2 months ago.

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I have also seen Ed Cooley's name mentioned as a candidate. The main problem with him is that he'd have to overcome his feelings about how unfair it is to play home games in Columbus with only a day to prepare.
Cooley will also have to get over the fact that there will be as many fans in the arena from the opposing team most of the time. . . because it won't take much effort to outnumber a mostly empty arena.
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Cooley will also have to get over the fact that there will be as many fans in the arena from the opposing team most of the time. . . because it won't take much effort to outnumber a mostly empty arena.
It would not surprise me if Fast Eddie dubbed in UD Arena noise and video when he shows recruits recordings of Providence home victories with a "full house".

I hope McDermont takes his time with the contract language.
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Smith may not be a smart one but he is not an idiot. Timing is bad, my guess is that some boosters are behind the Thad ouster. He did not have a plan and it shows. Replacing Matta with McDermott is a wash at best.
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McDermott is staying at Creighton.

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dumpster is starting to burn in the open. He either hits a home run or it is ugly. A home run is very unlikely.
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This is going to become a saga because it is pretty obvious Gene Smith didn't actually have a plan before firing Matta. Rothstein says 5 coaches have already passed on the job.

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This is going to become a saga because it is pretty obvious Gene Smith didn't actually have a plan before firing Matta. Rothstein says 5 coaches have already passed on the job.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/stat...52863763881984

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I think that Gene Smith did have a plan. It's just that I don't think the plan was at all executed the way he expected.

To quote Will Smith....




Either way, it's highly amusing!!!

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I think that Gene Smith did have a plan. I just that I don't think the plan was at all executed the way he expected.

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It is definitely amusing.

The plan he needed to have was to actually have a coach lined up before he fired Matta in June.
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Seems amazing to me that they did not have a sure-fire guy lined up if they were going to fire Matta in June -- apparently just a lot of hubris thinking of course their top targets would say yes. As much as this process appears to be a dumpster fire, though, OSU's resources are such that they just need to get one guy to say "yes" and they'll be fine.
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Seems amazing to me that they did not have a sure-fire guy lined up if they were going to fire Matta in June -- apparently just a lot of hubris thinking of course their top targets would say yes. As much as this process appears to be a dumpster fire, though, OSU's resources are such that they just need to get one guy to say "yes" and they'll be fine.
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I can see Smith being fired for handling or missing handling both the firing and hiring of a new coach.
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Now sources say they are going after former Cavs head coach and current Warriors assistant Mike Brown.

I'm loving this crash and burn.
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Someone like Mike Brown without any college experience seems a little odd. Seeing them get knocked down a peg with these rejections is certainly amusing, but, at some point, you'd think a $3M+ offer in a big conference with a good recruiting base would land you someone decent, even if you have to get rejected a few times to get there. Even if OSU ultimately ends up okay, though, this process looks embarrassing.
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It is definitely amusing.

The plan he needed to have was to actually have a coach lined up before he fired Matta in June.
You can go about it this way in March, but not in June.
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Rothstein says "Over 5" coaches have now passed...

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Now sources say they are going after former Cavs head coach and current Warriors assistant Mike Brown.

I'm loving this crash and burn.
Mike Brown says he is not leaving the Bengals!
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Growing rumblings now that it's going to be Holtmann. Also hearing that McDermott never really had an offer, which would make sense because Holtmann should have been higher on the list anyways.
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Might just want to punt this year, name somebody as an interim hc, and try again next March/April.

That would be better than hiring somebody you do not really want, just for the sake of hiring somebody.

And McDermott might have just been fishing for a raise and/or a contract extension from CU, Cronin did the same thing to UNLV a year or 2 ago.

Or maybe GM is under pressure at CU for underachieving. Maybe OSU low-balled him, and he said no.

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Ray Harper is using Jedi Mind Tricks to keep the other coaches from taking the job. Eventually, he will ride in on the white horse and save the day.
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tOSU isn't dumb enough to offer the job to anyone without full knowledge they'll accept it. It's the old 'if offered the job would you take it' standard language...that's used even down to the HS level.
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I think that Gene Smith did have a plan. It's just that I don't think the plan was at all executed the way he expected

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While this is entertaining, don't forget that Duquesne landed a very good coach in Dambrot after a Krusty the Klown-like foray into the coaching search. Could work out for the Bucks, or could be a multi-year slow motion train wreck.

Somebody offer Goodwin...
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I can see Smith being fired for handling or missing handling both the firing and hiring of a new coach.
I heard Gene Smith tried to fire himself but he screwed that up too.
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FWIW, I never thought that TM should have been fired in the first place. Firing him for consecutive non-NCAAT seasons is pretty harsh IMO. I would have given him one more year to turn it around, I think he earned that chance.
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Growing rumblings now that it's going to be Holtmann. Also hearing that McDermott never really had an offer, which would make sense because Holtmann should have been higher on the list anyways.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...at-ohio-state/

Holtmann reportedly the leading candidate now.
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Holtmann is official per the Dispatch.

http://www.dispatch.com/sports/20170...sketball-coach

Again, having a laugh at how ugly the process was for OSU is legitimate, but at the end the $$ and job were too good to think they wouldn't land someone decent. I think they're lucky McDermott fell through.
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FWIW, SI is reporting that Sean Miller, Mack, and McDermott all turned down the job.

However, the Columbus Dispatch is reporting that only Chris Jent and McDermott interviewed.


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One of the best things about this is that, despite some premature chest-thumping from Big East fans, it demonstrates that it's still a league full of stepping stone programs.
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FWIW, SI is reporting that Sean Miller, Mack, and McDermott all turned down the job.

However, the Columbus Dispatch is reporting that only Chris Jent and McDermott interviewed.


https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...oltmann-butler
It would seem that Miller and Mack turned them down before an interview.
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One of the best things about this is that, despite some premature chest-thumping from Big East fans, it demonstrates that it's still a league full of stepping stone programs.
That's a pretty big stretch. Villanova and Georgetown are most definitely not stepping stone programs in regards to their coaching position. Nearly all the rest are not either, unless you mean a stepping stone to a top 10 paid job with unlimited resources. Ohio State could have hired many coaches from other Power 5 Schools if they went after them.

What is clear is two schools that previously would have more than likely lost their coach to OSU, kept them, most certainly due to their move to the Big East and the success they and the conference has had. Not to mention, the increased revenue which has increased they and their assistants salaries. Look at the team we all hate down south, why would Mack leave? He recruits the best players in the country, he has the best team, on paper and talent wise for 2017-18 in their terrible history, and the Big East has made themselves a top league, better than some Power 5 conferences. Any member of the Big East has a chance to become a national power, as Villanova has, so there is no reason to leave in order to compete at the highest level of college anymore.
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Their is likely more to the story.

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FWIW, I never thought that TM should have been fired in the first place. Firing him for consecutive non-NCAAT seasons is pretty harsh IMO. I would have given him one more year to turn it around, I think he earned that chance.
As always there are the expressed reasons for action. And then there are the unspoken never-to-be-known reasons. This one likely goes a lot deeper than a couple of regrettable W/L seasons. Things that Matta might have only shared his side with Miller and Mack, and conversely Gene Smith might have only shared with his superior and a few key alumni.

From Smith's position, you publicly announce only that which is backed up by the numbers.
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That's a pretty big stretch. Villanova and Georgetown are most definitely not stepping stone programs in regards to their coaching position. Nearly all the rest are not either, unless you mean a stepping stone to a top 10 paid job with unlimited resources. Ohio State could have hired many coaches from other Power 5 Schools if they went after them.

What is clear is two schools that previously would have more than likely lost their coach to OSU, kept them, most certainly due to their move to the Big East and the success they and the conference has had. Not to mention, the increased revenue which has increased they and their assistants salaries. Look at the team we all hate down south, why would Mack leave? He recruits the best players in the country, he has the best team, on paper and talent wise for 2017-18 in their terrible history, and the Big East has made themselves a top league, better than some Power 5 conferences. Any member of the Big East has a chance to become a national power, as Villanova has, so there is no reason to leave in order to compete at the highest level of college anymore.
I think this is overstating the situation. Xavier kept Mack in part because he is an alum and has a great situation there, but also because OSU is a mess right now. We don't know that McDermott was offered the job, and I will continue to find that hard to believe unless Gene Smith is dimmer than we even imagined. But I'll grant you that one.

So here's what we're left with:

Butler and Marquette - Both continuously have lost coaches to P5 schools in recent years. (Including Marquette to a middling ACC school).

Georgetown and St. John's - Resorted to hiring unproven, big-name alums. Neither program has been great in recent years, though I would doubt any P5 school will be banging down the doors to grab either coach even if progress is made. I would probably place both in the same category of Villanova as having the legacy and potential, though.

DePaul - Unmitigated dumpster fire.

Seton Hall and Providence - You really think a coach at one of these schools is going to turn down an offer from most of the Power Five schools?


To sum it up, most of these schools in general don't have the resources or cache to outcompete an average P5 school that is looking for a coaching upgrade. And the ones that are holding onto their coaches are doing so because they struck gold with the right guy, usually a hometown guy (Wright) or an alum (Mack*). It's also worth pointing out, however, that this is a one-way street in that the Big East certainly hasn't been nabbing big-name coaches from P5 schools. That also says a lot about the hierarchy of conferences.

*I still believe Mack will leave Xavier one day, but maybe there's also lesson here for Dayton, one that bodes well for us in hiring Grant since he's a former Flyer. If he can have some success here, we may more likely to be able to hold on to him because of those ties.

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No way. They will hire a former or current assistant/player. It's the "Butler Way"
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Maybe Thad (ha ha)

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No way. They will hire a former or current assistant/player. It's the "Butler Way"
And I bet they will not miss a beat either. They will probably just keep on truckin' upwards.
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possible candidates according to pete thamel ... very likely no one on this list

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Except for the guy at the bottom - it's likely him . . .

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Yeah, except for that last guy, he may get the job. Lol.
Think they might go after that final guy on the list?
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I think this is overstating the situation. Xavier kept Mack in part because he is an alum and has a great situation there, but also because OSU is a mess right now. We don't know that McDermott was offered the job, and I will continue to find that hard to believe unless Gene Smith is dimmer than we even imagined. But I'll grant you that one.

So here's what we're left with:

Butler and Marquette - Both continuously have lost coaches to P5 schools in recent years. (Including Marquette to a middling ACC school).

Georgetown and St. John's - Resorted to hiring unproven, big-name alums. Neither program has been great in recent years, though I would doubt any P5 school will be banging down the doors to grab either coach even if progress is made. I would probably place both in the same category of Villanova as having the legacy and potential, though.

DePaul - Unmitigated dumpster fire.

Seton Hall and Providence - You really think a coach at one of these schools is going to turn down an offer from most of the Power Five schools?


To sum it up, most of these schools in general don't have the resources or cache to outcompete an average P5 school that is looking for a coaching upgrade. And the ones that are holding onto their coaches are doing so because they struck gold with the right guy, usually a hometown guy (Wright) or an alum (Mack*). It's also worth pointing out, however, that this is a one-way street in that the Big East certainly hasn't been nabbing big-name coaches from P5 schools. That also says a lot about the hierarchy of conferences.
Ohio State is not an average P5 School. The only teams not at-risk of having their coach leave for another college gig are Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, & North Carolina. I'm sure I'm forgetting some but the next tier is arguably Louisville, IU, Mich State, Michigan, UCLA, and OSU.

In my opinion, the problem isn't when everyone wants your coach, it's when no one wants your coach.
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Ohio State is not an average P5 School. The only teams not at-risk of having their coach leave for another college gig are Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, & North Carolina. I'm sure I'm forgetting some but the next tier is arguably Louisville, IU, Mich State, Michigan, UCLA, and OSU.

In my opinion, the problem isn't when everyone wants your coach, it's when no one wants your coach.
I agree that Ohio State is not an average P5 school. However, I believe I could come with a list of about 2-3 dozen "average" P5 schools that could somewhat easily take a coach off of all of the following: DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, Butler, Marquette. For a few others in the conference, I'm only holding back on adding them to the list because right now they have "special circumstance" coaches. But the point is, for as much chest thumping Big East fans do, and for as much as they love to argue that they're right on par with P5 schools, they're mostly lower on the hierarchy of coaching positions, and it's not even a debate.
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I agree that Ohio State is not an average P5 school. However, I believe I could come with a list of about 2-3 dozen "average" P5 schools that could somewhat easily take a coach off of all of the following: DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, Butler, Marquette. For a few others in the conference, I'm only holding back on adding them to the list because right now they have "special circumstance" coaches. But the point is, for as much chest thumping Big East fans do, and for as much as they love to argue that they're right on par with P5 schools, they're mostly lower on the hierarchy of coaching positions, and it's not even a debate.
Given this, one could argue the success the Big East has had nationally is even more impressive!
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Ohio State is not an average P5 School. The only teams not at-risk of having their coach leave for another college gig are Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, & North Carolina. I'm sure I'm forgetting some but the next tier is arguably Louisville, IU, Mich State, Michigan, UCLA, and OSU.

In my opinion, the problem isn't when everyone wants your coach, it's when no one wants your coach.
Ohio State is definitely an average P5. Every team you mention is a classic, perennial and tradition-laden program. OSU and maybe even Michigan fall behind, at least for now. They were lucky to have Matta for as long as they did.
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OSU is not a classic, perennial and tradition-laden program? They may have been average over the past few seasons but for the past decade and historically they are among the Top 10-15 programs nationally. The athletic department is among the Top 5 overall.

They have a National Championship, 4 runner-up's, 11 final fours, 31 NCAA Tournament appearances, and is one of only two teams (the other being Villanova) to make an NCAA Tournament appearance every decade since the 1930s.
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I agree that, until Matta, not much difference in OSU's pedigree compared to, say, Michigan, Iowa, or Minnesota -- but in the past 15-20 years OSU is definitely not average if for no other reason than their infinite financial resources now available.
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In this late game of musical coaches, OSU seems to have come out okay with the Butler coach. It is Butler who is left with no coach choices, when the music stopped. Hopefully it does not sink their boat for a couple of years.
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In this late game of musical coaches, OSU seems to have come out okay with the Butler coach. It is Butler who is left with no coach choices, when the music stopped. Hopefully it does not sink their boat for a couple of years.
LaVall Jordan was a real good get. Played at Butler so he knows the Butler way, and is a fast rising up and comer. Butler will be fine with Jordan.
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Hopefully it does not sink their boat for a couple of years.
Hopefully it sets them back years. They're our competitors, and further more, the timing of their somewhat fluky run to back-to-back title games (combined with their dominance of a mediocre Horizon League) is a big part of the reason why they're in the Big East and we're still in the A-10.
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No way. They will hire a former or current assistant/player. It's the "Butler Way"
AD Collier references The Butler Way in his hiring announcement.

Looks like LaVall Jordan played for Collier and Matta at BU...he also coached under Lickliter at BU.


https://hoopdirt.com/official-lavall...-coach-butler/


And again, I bet BU does not miss a beat under Jordan. They have been tremendously successful hiring from within the Butler tree. There is no reason to change their approach now.

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LaVall Jordan was a real good get. Played at Butler so he knows the Butler way, and is a fast rising up and comer. Butler will be fine with Jordan.
Totally agree...he had one year of head coaching experience at Milwaukee in the Horizon League, where he went a mediocre 11-24.



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Milwaukee was a 10 seed, the worst seed, in this year's HL tourney...they go 3-1 in the HLT, losing in the finals to NKU...Milwaukee beat the 2, 6, and 7 seeds to make the finals.


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Milwaukee was a 10 seed, the worst seed, in this year's HL tourney...they go 3-1 in the HLT, losing in the finals to NKU...Milwaukee beat the 2, 6, and 7 seeds to make the finals.


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So essentially they had one nice upset in the tournament.
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One interesting angle here is that Kevin Kuwik was an assistant previously at both Ohio State and Butler. So have to wonder if the late movement could open anything up for him as those coaching staffs are filled out.
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The Butler way has simply worked since Collier became AD. It's impressive and something that requires some luck, a solid AD, and a university committed to basketball. It's well documented how well Butler University has done as a whole because of their basketball program.

The success has allowed them to keep continuity with recruits in most cases. This may be a tougher transition as Holtzman has a top 20 class coming in. UD hasn't enjoyed that luxury with Gregory and Purnell. Both capped out as quality coaches capable of competing but not with BCS level competition. With some exceptions including Lickliter - who struggled at Iowa, former Butler coaches have done well after Butler.

Personally, I think our program should be better than the likes of Butler, Creighton, Providence DePaul, Wichita State et al. We have a better campus, great facilities, alumni support and student body that supports the program. The success of the MBB program will advance the Unversity as a whole. AG seems like a very solid coach. My hope is 5-7 years from now we're looking back thinking about what it was like to be in the A10 and loving being a contender in the Big East. It starts with expectations! It's top down from the President to the AD to the head coach. It's time we start expecting more. We need to win recruits, games. We need stellar alumni support. We need a chip on shoulder. No excuses one goal that starts with expecting more.
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The Butler way has simply worked since Collier became AD. It's impressive and something that requires some luck, a solid AD, and a university committed to basketball. It's well documented how well Butler University has done as a whole because of their basketball program.
Collier did not become the AD at BU until 2006.

A different AD than Collier hired Collier, Matta, and Lickliter.

Collier has hired Stevens, Holtmann, and Jordan.

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Collier did not become the AD at BU until 2006.

A different AD than Collier hired Collier, Matta, and Lickliter.

Collier has hired Stevens, Holtmann, and Jordan.
You're forgetting Brandon Miller. Collier hired Brandon Miller to replace Stevens. Leaving Miller out and giving Collier credit for hiring Hotmann oversells his resume in my opinion.

When Stevens left, Holtmann only entered the picture as an assistant coach under Collier's hire, Brandon Miller. It seemed strange at the time because Holtmann was a head coach at Gardner Webb coming off a 20 win season... why leave that for an assistant job under an unproven head coach? Makes no sense. But as fate would have it, Miller quit for health reasons after just one season (in which he went 14-17), just weeks before the start of the 2014-15 season. Holtmann being already on staff, with his head coaching experience, was a no-brainer to take over as interim head coach. They finished second in the Big East that year (and won a tournament game I believe) and Holtmann got the job permanently.

So really Collier has made three hires and had one made for him (Holtmann). Of the three he's made: Stevens proved great, Miller looked bad, and time will tell on LaVall Jordan. He's 1 for 2 right now. With Jordan does he go 2 for 3?
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One interesting angle here is that Kevin Kuwik was an assistant previously at both Ohio State and Butler. So have to wonder if the late movement could open anything up for him as those coaching staffs are filled out.
https://hoopdirt.com/ohio-state-bask...-staff-update/

Holtmann took all 3 of his BU assistants to OSU.
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Holtmann took all 3 of his BU assistants to OSU.
Is that the Butler way, too?
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Is that the Butler way, too?
If you don't hire the assistants who were candidates for the head coaching job at Butler it is. They know Holtmann and he offered them jobs at tOSU which pay more money. Plus they really have to take the jobs at tOSU because who knows if Butler's new coach even wants them to be assistants for him at Butler.
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You know who is probably really mad at Gene Smith for waiting until June to fire Matta? Morgan Miller. I have to think she would rather live in Columbus than Bloomington.
Morgan would rather live wherever is closest to an A-Level Nordstrom store with a cafe. God bless her. She is a once every 20 year recruit into the Flyer community. Archie who?

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http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...-lavar-jordan/


After word got out Monday that Milwaukee coach LaVall Jordan would be taking over Butler, many texts extending congratulations and inquiries about the status of the staff were sent. Problem is, many of them went to the wrong person -- North Carolina Central coach LeVelle Moton.

It's an easy mistake, really, since the two coaches have a first name that sounds the same. But props to Moton, who handled it all quite elegantly, even after hearing his name surprisingly (and mistakenly) surface as a favorite in the coaching search.



Just received several text messages from Asst Coaches in the biz saying "Congrats" on the Butler job, Do you have all ur staff? #WrongLaVall
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@CBB_Central I said "Bro, I'm not involved in that job", They said, ur name is the only one I've been hearing...smh 😐😐
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Kyle Young has switched his commitment from Butler to Ohio State.
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Kyle Young has switched his commitment from Butler to Ohio State.
So is that the Butler way or the Buckeye way?
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Kyle Young has switched his commitment from Butler to Ohio State.
I wonder what that does for Ahrens? I think they are both SF's?
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I wonder what that does for Ahrens? I think they are both SF's?
Jerome Hunter is one of their top 2018 targets who's also a SF
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NW assistant coach Patrick Baldwin named Milwaukee hc.


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He reportedly beat out Tennessee State head coach Dana Ford and Northern Iowa assistant coach Kyle Green in the Parker led search.
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