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Thad Matta Out at OSU

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Let the speculation begin on Dane Goodwin and UD.
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The article I just read via the CBS Sports app on my phone cites recruiting and particularly, a poor offseason in that department, as the primary reason. There was some discussion at the end about health and that the downturn coincided with his health issues of the last decade.

So does this mean that we would've lost Archie either way this offseason? And is he second guessing himself for taking the IU job? Personally I think the IU hoops job is much better than OSU.
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I think we consider ourselves fortunate that Archie left for the Indiana job instead of holding out for the OSU job. Can you imagine trying to replace kids that would ask to be let out of their LOI in June? In UD's case, Coach Grant would most likely not have been pursuing coaching jobs this off season considering he already had a job (but you never know) and UD still could have gotten him in June but that would not have been optimal in any way.
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As a Michigan Fan too, man I am so happy that he didn't end up O$U... Thank God I can still somewhat root for him lol

Our program would be in shambles right now if Archie was our coach at the moment and got the call today to go their... whew ha
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It's Damon Goodwin, not Dane.
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As a Michigan Fan too, man I am so happy that he didn't end up O$U... Thank God I can still somewhat root for him lol

Our program would be in shambles right now if Archie was our coach at the moment and got the call today to go their... whew ha
I would imagine it's going to be an anxious for days/weeks at X and Butler. Figure Mack and Holtman would both be on the realistic list at OSU.
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It's Damon Goodwin, not Dane.
He's talking about Dane, Damon's son, who is an Ohio State commit.
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So does this mean that we would've lost Archie either way this offseason? And is he second guessing himself for taking the IU job? Personally I think the IU hoops job is much better than OSU.
Yes, I think I heard that the two "outs" Archie had in his contract were Ohio State and Indiana. And no, I highly doubt Archie is second guessing it since he got one of his top two choices. Taking over at Ohio State in June with a pretty barren roster would have been less than ideal for anyone involved.

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I think we consider ourselves fortunate that Archie left for the Indiana job instead of holding out for the OSU job. Can you imagine trying to replace kids that would ask to be let out of their LOI in June? In UD's case, Coach Grant would most likely not have been pursuing coaching jobs this off season considering he already had a job (but you never know) and UD still could have gotten him in June but that would not have been optimal in any way.
I do agree. It would have been a scary proposition for sure. No telling what would have happened to the current roster. Archie would have had to assemble a staff very quick if he were hired to OSU in June. Rather than give UD any time to transition, Archie would have faced great temptation to just pull his entire UD staff to OSU, and possibly taken recruits too. It would have been very ugly in my opinion.
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Yes, I think I heard that the two "outs" Archie had in his contract were Ohio State and Indiana. And no, I highly doubt Archie is second guessing it since he got one of his top two choices. Taking over at Ohio State in June with a pretty barren roster would have been less than ideal for anyone involved.



I do agree. It would have been a scary proposition for sure. No telling what would have happened to the current roster. Archie would have had to assemble a staff very quick if he were hired to OSU in June. Rather than give UD any time to transition, Archie would have faced great temptation to just pull his entire UD staff to OSU, and possibly taken recruits too. It would have been very ugly in my opinion.

This is NOT the situation. He is NOT leaving now. He is leaving after the 17/18 season.
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This is NOT the situation. He is NOT leaving now. He is leaving after the 17/18 season.
Matta was fired, effective immediately.
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This is NOT the situation. He is NOT leaving now. He is leaving after the 17/18 season.
Earlier reports were incorrect. Matta is leaving now. But anyway, you know would give me great joy? Seeing Chris Mack get that gig. It would be like chucking a ball right to the face of Xavier.
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This is NOT the situation. He is NOT leaving now. He is leaving after the 17/18 season.
Not sure where you guys are getting your info. Everything I have read said he was fired, not health related, effective immediately.
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Not sure where you guys are getting your info. Everything I have read said he was fired, not health related, effective immediately.
yes, further reports say the AD said it was a mutual decision but it sure sounds like it wasn't...Matta wanted to stay on..and he's immediately out
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Matta was fired, effective immediately.
they will honor the remaining 3 years on his contract. Nice parting gift.
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Very happy AM left when he did. Will be interesting to watch the hiring process at OSU knowing we have a good coach, a strong coaching staff, a successfull transition from AM, a recruiting class that turned out fine and we retained all our current players. Can you imagine the circus that would have ensued if Am had not gone to IU, and left at this time for OSU. We dodged a number of bullets.
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yes, further reports say the AD said it was a mutual decision but it sure sounds like it wasn't...Matta wanted to stay on..and he's immediately out
I haven't read up on it, but from the earlier reports he would coach one more year before retiring it seems likely Thad had recently let them know he only wanted to coach one more year, possibly with a transition plan whereby he would essentially pick the coach-in-waiting. But the way things are trending, I can see why the OSU AD would not have a lot of confidence in that plan, and decide to move on now, even with the poor timing.
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You know who is probably really mad at Gene Smith for waiting until June to fire Matta? Morgan Miller. I have to think she would rather live in Columbus than Bloomington.
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Very happy AM left when he did. Will be interesting to watch the hiring process at OSU knowing we have a good coach, a strong coaching staff, a successfull transition from AM, a recruiting class that turned out fine and we retained all our current players. Can you imagine the circus that would have ensued if Am had not gone to IU, and left at this time for OSU. We dodged a number of bullets.
While we are hallucinating, can you imagine the circus if Archie left Indiana THIS WEEK to go to tOSU?
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While we are hallucinating, can you imagine the circus if Archie left Indiana THIS WEEK to go to tOSU?
Some school is going to have the rug pulled from under them, this late in the game. Plus it won't be pretty
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Some school is going to have the rug pulled from under them, this late in the game. Plus it won't be pretty
Oh, it could be pretty. Pretty great if that school is Xavier.
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Oh, it could be pretty. Pretty great if that school is Xavier.
If Mack goes to OSU, obvious move is Kelsey from Winthrop to X. He hasn't proven it on the big stage, but Kelsey has solid results at Winthrop.
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Seeing Gregg Marshall's name pop up as well.

As a Buckeyes fan, I have to wonder what the heck Gene Smith was thinking waiting this long. Yes he's done a number of big things at Ohio State (including putting them in great position to win the Capital One Cup this year), but I would put this in the same category as the bowl ban fiasco from a few years back as a serious misstep. I think most logically thought this would happen months ago.
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Seeing Gregg Marshall's name pop up as well.
Hard for me to see Marshall leaving Wichita when he has a team that is a consensus Top 10 team next year. Also money isn't an issue for him because he's already getting over 3 million a year.
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Why in the world would OSU not wait until the end of the upcoming year? The only reason I can think of is that by making the change now the new coach has 10 months to keep Goodwin and the other recruits Matta had lined up for 2018 (I think there were two others).

Yes, AM would have been gone and UD (and the recruits) would have been screwed.
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Hard for me to see Marshall leaving Wichita when he has a team that is a consensus Top 10 team next year. Also money isn't an issue for him because he's already getting over 3 million a year.
agree...top 10 team coming back and 3 million dollars living in Wichita goes a long, long, long way
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As I understand it, Smmith was waiting for this years recruiting class to be finalized. Smith wasn't too thrilled that Matta didn't get the recruits they both were hoping for.

Guess losing to THE University of Dayton in the NCAA kinda took the wind out of iOSU.

Actually if the truth be known, I believe recruits questioning Matta health, would he be there all for years for me. Big concern for recruits.
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It's June.

I'm also hearing that Ohio State is not going to put together any sort of search committee or hire a consulting firm.

When a place like Ohio State lets go of their coach in June and then does not do what is normally done when searching for a coach, then it probably means that they don't need to search because they already know who it is.
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As I understand it, Smmith was waiting for this years recruiting class to be finalized. Smith wasn't too thrilled that Matta didn't get the recruits they both were hoping for.

Guess losing to THE University of Dayton in the NCAA kinda took the wind out of iOSU.

Actually if the truth be known, I believe recruits questioning Matta health, would he be there all for years for me. Big concern for recruits.
Heard from OSU hoop friends that other schools have been using this as a recruiting tool against tOSU.
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It's June.

I'm also hearing that Ohio State is not going to put together any sort of search committee or hire a consulting firm.

When a place like Ohio State lets go of their coach in June and then does not do what is normally done when searching for a coach, then it probably means that they don't need to search because they already know who it is.
Maybe, but this feels hasty.
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Hard for me to see Marshall leaving Wichita when he has a team that is a consensus Top 10 team next year. Also money isn't an issue for him because he's already getting over 3 million a year.
Ohio State could double that without a problem and then we'd find out pretty quickly how much of an issue money isn't. Regardless, Marshall almost certainly won't be at Wichita State long-term and it's arguable that the ceiling for consistent, high-level success there is lower. I said this when the discussion around Miller leaving UD was heating up, but Ohio State has the type of tradition, resources, and facilities in a talent-rich region that can make life very easy for a basketball coach beyond the question of salary.

I'm not saying that it will be Marshall, but I am saying that Marshall would have to seriously consider an offer if it came.
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Why in the world would OSU not wait until the end of the upcoming year? The only reason I can think of is that by making the change now the new coach has 10 months to keep Goodwin and the other recruits Matta had lined up for 2018 (I think there were two others).
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Maybe they hire Damon as head coach ........
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This could be really good for us. I think the dream is that they're so late in the game the end up with an uninspiring hire
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Heard from OSU hoop friends that other schools have been using this as a recruiting tool against tOSU.
They have for sure. My favorite story is the one where an OSU recruit was told that Matta had a bad foot, and he was going to die because of it.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/03...sues_ohio.html
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It's June.

I'm also hearing that Ohio State is not going to put together any sort of search committee or hire a consulting firm.

When a place like Ohio State lets go of their coach in June and then does not do what is normally done when searching for a coach, then it probably means that they don't need to search because they already know who it is.
I would agree completely. Based upon the way Ohio State hired Urban Meyer, I think this is a good bet.

The only exception might be if an incident came to light. I have no knowledge of any incident.

I think X would be wary to hire Kelsey. There are concerns and I am not talking about rumor mill at X. Kelsey's action at UMass and another college would red flag me.
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This could be really good for us. I think the dream is that they're so late in the game the end up with an uninspiring hire
I understand your dream from a recruiting perspective. Ohio State has always pulled much of the top talent from Ohio. Weaken them, and it opens things up. But the thing about it is the Ohio State basketball program has already sufficiently bottomed out, and it'll take some time to build it back up. So I'd just assume weaken someone else in-state that we're recruiting against... and either Cronin or Mack would accomplish that.
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It's clear Mark Baker is the front runner for the post as he has shown he can order, err "motivate/lead" the coaches and student athletes of the Dayton Public Schools.
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I think the obvious choice is Ray Harper.
Who's going to go on OSU message boards and tout Ray Harper as the second coming of John wooden?
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What a mistimed move. He could have had Archie if he was decisive.
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What a mistimed move. He could have had Archie if he was decisive.
It's not mis-timed if he had someone in mind (perhaps an NBA coach?) that they were going to make a run at, and if it worked out they'd make a change. If not, they'd stay with Matta for another year.

If they ultimately end up getting the person they want then it is not ill timed. Judging by how they're not going to hire a search firm or put together a search committee, which is something Ohio State always does, I'm thinking they already know who it is, and whoever it is was someone they wanted.
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I understand your dream from a recruiting perspective. Ohio State has always pulled much of the top talent from Ohio. Weaken them, and it opens things up. But the thing about it is the Ohio State basketball program has already sufficiently bottomed out, and it'll take some time to build it back up. So I'd just assume weaken someone else in-state that we're recruiting against... and either Cronin or Mack would accomplish that.
If it's Mack, I'd guess they'd promote Travis Steele and probably not miss a beat.

You're right about Ohio State bottoming out. I think the window of opportunity is small but it'd nice to get the chance to land Ahrens or Dane
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Ohio State could double that without a problem and then we'd find out pretty quickly how much of an issue money isn't.
The Koch brothers can pay any amount of money they need to keep Marshall if they really want to.
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The article I just read via the CBS Sports app on my phone cites recruiting and particularly, a poor offseason in that department, as the primary reason. There was some discussion at the end about health and that the downturn coincided with his health issues of the last decade.

So does this mean that we would've lost Archie either way this offseason? And is he second guessing himself for taking the IU job? Personally I think the IU hoops job is much better than OSU.
Are we talking about Fred Hoisberg returning to the college ranks???
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I heard a good story about Matta...during his final year at Xavier, the X team was off to a rough start, and after a loss at Cintas, a X fan came down from the seats, and angrily told Matta "we don't like your kind around here!"

I believe they started out with 10 wins and 9 losses that year.

So, fast forward, X wins 4 games in 4 days at UD Arena to win the A10 tourney.

Matta is speaking at the Mandalay Banquet Center, right near the arena, at a post-tourney celebration party.

Matta tells the crowd about the incident with the angry fan. And then Matta says: "well, how do you like me now?!?!?!".

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Didn't Dane Goodwin commit as a frosh? I feel like when you commit that early, you are pretty sold on the school, no matter who the coach is.
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It's not mis-timed if he had someone in mind (perhaps an NBA coach?) that they were going to make a run at, and if it worked out they'd make a change. If not, they'd stay with Matta for another year.

If they ultimately end up getting the person they want then it is not ill timed. Judging by how they're not going to hire a search firm or put together a search committee, which is something Ohio State always does, I'm thinking they already know who it is, and whoever it is was someone they wanted.
If there was a backroom deal in place, and I agree that is the most likely scenario, I would think it may be an NBA coach as well. Mack and Cronin have ties to the school/city that extend beyond being the current coach. I would think that would make leaving at this late date would be very difficult (not impossible) on a deeper level. That being said, it could be that there backfills were being finalized before there was any announcement.

The comparison was mentioned earlier in the thread of Columbus to Bloomington. The same could be said for Oklahoma City.
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Here are two crazy NBA names: Brad Stephens & Billy Donovan.

Stephens is a Midwest guy. Donovan is a former UF coach. Let's see...where have I heard that before when talking about a coach at OSU? :-)

Just spitting in the wind here...
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The Koch brothers can pay any amount of money they need to keep Marshall if they really want to.
True, and as I said earlier, I believe at some point they may need to open their pockets to try to keep him, even if not this time.
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I really like Matta, and I think he is a really great coach, but as I have said before, at some point during his time at OSU, his players started loafing, that was very evident to me. I felt that Matta's Buckeyes sometimes displayed untapped potential due to this lack of hustle.

I feel like the lack of hustle at times definitely hurt the team.

I am not sure if he built his guys' egos up so much, that they felt that they there were so great, that they did not have to play hard or what?

I never understand why some guys refuse to give 100% effort 100% of the time. Maybe that was why Matta brought in Mr. Hustle, Chris Jent.
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Here are two crazy NBA names: Brad Stephens & Billy Donovan.

Stephens is a Midwest guy. Donovan is a former UF coach. Let's see...where have I heard that before when talking about a coach at OSU? :-)

Just spitting in the wind here...
Stevens isn't leaving the Celtics. He loves coaching in the NBA, and he has them on the verge of being very good.

I could see Donovan and Hoiberg being possibilities.
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I think the obvious choice is Ray Harper.
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According to the AP, Gene Smith said that "a national search for his replacement will begin immediately and Matta will participate in the search."
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I really like Matta, and I think he is a really great coach, but as I have said before, at some point during his time at OSU, his players started loafing, that was very evident to me. I felt that Matta's Buckeyes sometimes displayed untapped potential due to this lack of hustle.

I feel like the lack of hustle at times definitely hurt the team.

I am not sure if he built his guys' egos up so much, that they felt that they there were so great, that they did not have to play hard or what?

I never understand why some guys refuse to give 100% effort 100% of the time. Maybe that was why Matta brought in Mr. Hustle, Chris Jent.
Don't disagree with you but the more Thad was hurting physically the more he lost that team. He's an upbeat, rah-rah guy who will get in your face but not in a demeaning way. That simply was not happening the more fragile he became. Then you add in the fact that this guy could command the living room and family of recruits like no one in a very trustworthy and likeable manner and that, as well, was being limited as far as his travel and ability to close..
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I think the obvious choice is Ray Harper.
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My guess is Billy Donovan. June timeframe is not a drawback if you want an NBA coach.
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My guess is Billy Donovan. June timeframe is not a drawback if you want an NBA coach.
Maybe we could finally get another home and home with the Bucks then...not holding my breath.
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I bet they reach out to Archie thru his people. He probably wouldn't take it but I bet they ask the question.
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My guess is Billy Donovan. June timeframe is not a drawback if you want an NBA coach.
Mine as well. Donovan is a great coach and he knows what it's like to compete for attention in a program that has a good history of both football and basketball prowess. As readers might recall, Urban Meyer and Billy Donovan co-existed very well at Florida.
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Is Chris Mack's house for sale?
He just sold it and bought a new one in Northern Kentucky
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Is Chris Mack's house for sale?
It is, but it's because he closed on another house last week.

https://twitter.com/NatiBuck513/stat...84163276914689

And if you want to buy his old house in Northern KY here is the listing.

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/N...Hills-KY-41017
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It is, but it's because he closed on another house last week.

https://twitter.com/NatiBuck513/stat...84163276914689

And if you want to buy his old house in Northern KY here is the listing.

https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/N...Hills-KY-41017
Mr. Christi Hester will be the choice. No way he turns that down. Holtmann is in the running too. As for Gregg Marshall, money will never be an issue at Wichita State. I dont know who they are but apparently there is a couple of brothers who are boosters there and they are the whale of whales. If Marshall is happy there, money will NEVER be an issue
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If Ohio State waited to line Donovan up before getting rid of Matta, that's a heck of a move. And Urban Mayer deserves a raise. But my prediction is Buzz Williams. Because I still don't know why he took the VA Tech gig. Have to think he would make the jump in a heartbeat.
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Wow, it has a "Dishwasher, Garbage Disposal, Microwave, Oven/Range, Refrigerator" - Really? - Sign me up now.
It also has an indoor pool. Guessing the pop-a-shot is negotiable.
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Mr. Christi Hester will be the choice. No way he turns that down. Holtmann is in the running too. As for Gregg Marshall, money will never be an issue at Wichita State. I dont know who they are but apparently there is a couple of brothers who are boosters there and they are the whale of whales. If Marshall is happy there, money will NEVER be an issue
It's the Koch brothers. They have more money than they know what to do with it.

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Mr. Christi Hester will be the choice. No way he turns that down. Holtmann is in the running too. As for Gregg Marshall, money will never be an issue at Wichita State. I dont know who they are but apparently there is a couple of brothers who are boosters there and they are the whale of whales. If Marshall is happy there, money will NEVER be an issue
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IMO, I don't see Mack taking the OSU job...I think Mack is going to be at Xavier for a very long time, maybe for the rest of his head coaching career.

I don't see Archie or Sean taking the job either.

And I am not overly impressed with Cronin, unfortunately. Seems that he has trouble getting past the round of 32. His offense seems to need work. I am sure that he is a nice guy though.

7 NCAAT appearances at UC, only made it past the round of 32 once.

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I think OSU will try to make a big splash. I think Fred Hoiberg would be a freat target. He was successful at Iowa St and was known to be a solid recruiter. Unite Urban Meyer with Hoiberg and now you the moxie to one up Alabama. Hoiberg's has done OK in Chicago but there isn't much on the Roster that says this is great place to be. The GM in Chicago is in on the hot seat making Hoiberg's job risky. If I'm Smith I'm making this call to see if there is any interest.
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It's the Koch brothers. They have more money than they know what to do with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi..._Koch_brothers
Not sure the Koch brothers spend any substantial money on WSU sports. They spend theirs on education, cancer, black colleges, the arts, etc.
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Almost 100% it is going to be Chris Holtman.
I was listening to the Morning Drive on Bucknuts, the 2 they talked about was Smart, Holtman. Plus Donavon name was brought up, since Urban and him are good friends from the Florida days. Which football and basketball won 4 National titles between both of them
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I was listening to the Morning Drive on Bucknuts, the 2 they talked about was Smart, Holtman. Plus Donavon name was brought up, since Urban and him are good friends from the Florida days. Which football and basketball won 4 titles between both of them
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Not sure the Koch brothers spend any substantial money on WSU sports. They spend theirs on education, cancer, black colleges, the arts, etc.
6 million to name the arena Koch Arena is significant in my book. As is the 4.5 million to athletics as part of a 11.25 million gift to the entire university. Now I realize that's pocket change to the Kochs but it's still a lot of money at most universities.

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I was listening to the Morning Drive on Bucknuts, the 2 they talked about was Smart, Holtman. Plus Donavon name was brought up, since Urban and him are good friends from the Florida days. Which football and basketball won 4 National titles between both of them
I have a friend that is a UF beat writer that still sees Donavon every month to hang out and all he says is how much he despises recruiting....I know this is now public but at least in the NBA you only have to put up with the player and not the parents as those are BD's exact words....Plus, no way is OSU going to even try to match the 7 mm he's now making and have to pay a basketball coach what Meyer is making..
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I have a friend that is a UF beat writer that still sees Donavon every month to hang out and all he says is how much he despises recruiting....I know this is now public but at least in the NBA you only have to put up with the player and not the parents as those are BD's exact words....Plus, no way is OSU going to even try to match the 7 mm he's now making and have to pay a basketball coach what Meyer is making..
True,that is what was brought up about his pay at OKC is 6 mill a year.
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Not sure the Koch brothers spend any substantial money on WSU sports. They spend theirs on education, cancer, black colleges, the arts, etc.
I'm guessing they at least put some money towards the arena on Wichita State's campus that is named "Charles Koch Arena."
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Almost 100% it is going to be Chris Holtman.
Holtmann would be a good choice.

Mack seems very comfortable at Xavier, he is from Cincinnati, and he is a Xavier alumnus. I think he wants to leave his mark at Xavier.

I would be absolutely shocked if Mack took the job.

I think Cronin's track record is not good enough for the job.

I could see Sean taking the job if it weren't for 2 things:

1. He does not want to compete against Archie.
2. He has unfinished business at Arizona, and he does not want to let the Arizona fans down.

And I can't see Archie wanting to face the wrath of jilted IU fans at least once a year.
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Holtmann would be a good choice.

Mack seems very comfortable at Xavier, he is from Cincinnati, and he is a Xavier alumnus. I think he wants to leave his mark at Xavier.

I would be absolutely shocked if Mack took the job.

I think Cronin's track record is not good enough for the job.

I could see Sean taking the job if it weren't for 2 things:

1. He does not want to compete against Archie.
2. He has unfinished business at Arizona, and he does not want to let the Arizona fans down.

And I can't see Archie wanting to face the wrath of jilted IU fans at least once a year.
I agree 100% with you on all points and I do know that Holtman likes it very much at Butler and is doing very well financially but will certainly listen very intently. He'll certainly not get thrown the type of $$ a really proven coach would if there are even any out there that would look at OSU at this juncture. I should have probably backed off the 100% claim as that is not accurate as it seems that Fred Hoiberg is really picking up steam...

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Earlier reports were incorrect. Matta is leaving now. But anyway, you know would give me great joy? Seeing Chris Mack get that gig. It would be like chucking a ball right to the face of Xavier.
Yes, he only did it because his coach told him to. (TWICE) Still hasn't taken responsibility for his actions.
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Holtmann would be a good choice.

Mack seems very comfortable at Xavier, he is from Cincinnati, and he is a Xavier alumnus. I think he wants to leave his mark at Xavier.

I would be absolutely shocked if Mack took the job.

I think Cronin's track record is not good enough for the job.

I could see Sean taking the job if it weren't for 2 things:

1. He does not want to compete against Archie.
2. He has unfinished business at Arizona, and he does not want to let the Arizona fans down.

And I can't see Archie wanting to face the wrath of jilted IU fans at least once a year.
I think Mack is a huge stretch at this point for Ohio State, but I do suspect he'll make the job somewhere down the line. Though not sure if he'd be a candidate for any of the traditional blue bloods, so perhaps his best bet would be to move to a Power Five school with bottomless resources.

I can't see Sean Miller leaving Arizona right now. Though I would be curious to find out what his long-term goals are and if he plans on staying there as long as he can.
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I draw some small amount of joy from the fact that Archie could have had the job he REALLY wanted if he had stuck around for one more year. I also realize that UD would have been royally screwed if he decided to leave in June rather than March.

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Any athletic director faced with such a dilemma would thank their fairy god mother if one such coach existed who would bail Ohio State out of its predicament.

Fortunately for Smith, one existed at the University of Dayton in Archie Miller, a former Matta assistant.

Only now, thanks to Smith's dithering incompetance, Miller is the head coach at Indiana and will likely spend the better part of the next two decades kicking Ohio State's rear end in recruiting and on the court.

You can thank Gene Smith every time Miller grows his own reputation and IU's basketball profile at OSU's expense.

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Here's an different take, from former Buckeye Mark Titus, on perhaps why Ohio State did not actually miss out on Miller:

(Quick point that needs to be made: Ohio State didn’t blow its chance at landing Archie Miller like so many are eager to claim. If Smith would have fired Matta in March like many Buckeyes fans hoped he would, Indiana still would’ve fired Crean, a bidding war would have ensued … and Miller still would’ve ended up at Indiana. I mean, really think about everything for a second. Miller’s only ties to Ohio State were the two seasons he spent as Matta’s assistant in 2007–08 and 2008–09. Why would Miller have turned down the prestige of being the Indiana coach to take over at a football school that he only has ties to through his mentor, who in this scenario would have just been fired by that very school? If Indiana hadn’t fired Crean this spring, maybe the “Ohio State missed out on Miller” case could be made.
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Here's an different take, from former Buckeye Mark Titus, on perhaps why Ohio State did not actually miss out on Miller:

https://theringer.com/thad-matta-ohi...ll-760ee88f5b2
That's a really good point actually. If Matta retired in March, Archie probably takes the job. But Matta wanted to continue coaching. Archie is very loyal to Thad. If they fired him in March, Archie would have been pretty reluctant to take that job. In that scenario, I do agree he chooses Indiana.
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Bucknuts said that OSU wants their new coach at the end of the week
And i want to marry Lucy Liu.

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