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View Poll Results: FT Lane violation(s)...MAKE THE CALL!
NDSU violation negates the air ball violation - Crosby re-shoots FT 26 83.87%
Double violation - goes to possession arrow 4 12.90%
Second violation (airball) negates first violation (in lane early) - NDSU ball 1 3.23%
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You Make the Call - Double FT violation

In an effort to improve his focus at the FT line, Anthony Grant has been working hard with PG John Crosby on his form. The career 47% FT shooter needs help, especially this season as he has been slotted at the starting PG in today's home opener of the 2017-18 season.

Despite the extra time and effort of the coaching staff, Crosby still has a hitch in his form that needs to be eliminated in order to make the shot appear to be smooth. So here we are, 1:15 into game 1 and Crosby is at the FT line shooting 2. Having already badly missed the first, both UD and North Dakota State players are understandably anticipating a brick and are anxiously positioning themselves for a clank and rebound opportunity.

As Crosby begins his shot, he ever-so-slightly hesitates on the release and draws two NDSU players into the lane early. The baseline official immediately signals for the defensive lane violation...meanwhile Crosby releases the shot...which is a complete airball...and is also a violation.

Not seeing the baseline official's lane violation signal, Lead official Joey DeMayo blows the play dead and because of the airball, awards the ball to NDSU. Grant immediately jumps up and argues that the NDSU player violated first and distracted Crosby so he should be given another FT. DeMayo, looking puzzled, calls the other officials over for a quick huddle.

As WHIO-TV's Mike Ballsack tells us all to call 1-800-GET-JUNK, you have 30-seconds to MAKE THE CALL!

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I think it is a double violation and then possession arrow, but what would the call be if the NDSU player distracts the shooter with his violation (either on purpose or accident). Is that still just a FT violation or change to a Technical foul?
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I think it is a double violation and then possession arrow, but what would the call be if the NDSU player distracts the shooter with his violation (either on purpose or accident). Is that still just a FT violation or change to a Technical foul?
That is 'disconcertion' and falls under 'unsportmanlike conduct' which would trump any lane violation(s).
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I voted A
Nothing wrong with 'A'.

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Without trying to overanalyze and convince myself there is a trick, if Ref A signaled a lane violation first, then anything that happens after that, short of a technical foul of some sort, is another FT attempt.
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Without trying to overanalyze and convince myself there is a trick,...
If your mind is clear and you're focused on the rules, this is an easy call. This should help you focus...

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Nothing wrong with 'A'.

Those are most certainly not A's. Those are C's.
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It's been 6+ hours since I posted this poll and Sir Know-it-All, ClaytonFlyer, hasn't chimed in yet. Not being shy or afraid to put his foot in his royal mouth, it appears that I have stumped the pseudo-king and he's scouring GOOGLE looking for the answer.

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He's busy checkout out "A"
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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
It's been 6+ hours since I posted this poll and Sir Know-it-All, ClaytonFlyer, hasn't chimed in yet. Not being shy or afraid to put his foot in his royal mouth, it appears that I have stumped the pseudo-king and he's scouring GOOGLE looking for the answer.

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I skipped 3rd through 5th grade as well as most of high school, too smart for my peers. So why would I want to spend my time answering a 3rd grade question?

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He's busy checkout out "A"
The only thing that takes precedence in my life over Flyer basketball (other than family) is lake season which kicked off for me 3 days ago, and hanging out at the right cove to be surrounded by a few A', several B's, lots of C's and my preference of D's. 84 degree water temperature currently, so yes I will be busy and not on here as often the next 5 months. I know I will be missed

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I skipped 3rd through 5th grade as well as most of high school,
So, Mr. Double-D, how was Juvie Hall?

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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
That is 'disconcertion' and falls under 'unsportmanlike conduct' which would trump any lane violation(s).
In my mind, this answers the question. The initial violation by the opponent trumps the subsequent airball. Now, if JC had intentionally faked a shot to draw them into the lane, then his violation would trump theirs effectively. But, you didn't say he faked a shot to intentionally draw them off the line. I'm sticking with the majority on this one...
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... if JC had intentionally faked a shot to draw them into the lane, then his violation would trump theirs effectively...
Faking a FT is not a delayed call - it's immediate - so there wouldn't be another violation to be trumped.

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Faking a FT is not a delayed call - it's immediate - so there wouldn't be another violation to be trumped.

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so... with this little tidbit - i'm sticking with A
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If you were one of the 4 who voted 'double violation - possession arrow' you win!

Defensive violations during a FT are 'delayed' meaning other things can happen that need to be applied, too. And just as a double-foul leads to an 'alternating possession' situation, so, too, does a double-violation.

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hmmm... it seems there is room for interpretation here. If the official that called the initial lane violation felt there was disconcertion, then this applies...

c. When disconcertion by an opponent is followed by a violation by the
free- thrower or a teammate of the free-thrower, only the disconcertion is
penalized and a substitute free throw shall be awarded.

Does disconcertion imply an intentional distraction?

I'm just learning here... certainly no expert.
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If you were one of the 4 who voted 'double violation - possession arrow' you win!

Defensive violations during a FT are 'delayed' meaning other things can happen that need to be applied, too. And just as a double-foul leads to an 'alternating possession' situation, so, too, does a double-violation.

It's complicated, I know, and expect a lot of WTF's from my millions of fans and minions, and I'll try to explain your concerns, just don't go all extreme on me. King Rollo doesn't reply to extremes unless it relates to bikinis or biceps.

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I think you been growing and smoking your breakfast, surely the NCAA is not that stupid on this rule when the lane violation occurred first and in theory distracted the shooter. Oh wait, we are talking the NCAA here, guess I believe anything.

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hmmm... it seems there is room for interpretation here. If the official that called the initial lane violation felt there was disconcertion, then this applies...

c. When disconcertion by an opponent is followed by a violation by the
free- thrower or a teammate of the free-thrower, only the disconcertion is
penalized and a substitute free throw shall be awarded.

Does disconcertion imply an intentional distraction?

I'm just learning here... certainly no expert.
Disconcertion is something intentional like coughing, clapping or yelling during the shooting process...stepping into the lane isn't disconcertion unless you're also doing jumping-jacks and/or cartwheels.

Or, in the case of a 3rd grade boys game I did earlier this year, two opposing moms ringing their f'in cow bells during opponent's FTs...or idiot Franklin 5th grade girl parents setting off their phone's ringer while little Suzie-Q tries to shoot a 12-foot FT.

Idiots are everywhere.

Normal people are outnumbered by them 5:1.

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I think you been growing and smoking your breakfast, surely the NCAA is not that stupid on this rule when the lane violation occurred first and in theory distracted the shooter. Oh wait, we are talking the NCAA here, guess I believe anything.

I know, don't call you surely.
Sounds like the Assistant Deputy to the Deputy Assistant of the Royal Court got this call wrong.

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I skipped 3rd through 5th grade as well as most of high school, too smart for my peers. So why would I want to spend my time answering a 3rd grade question?
Clayton Elementary just called and has openings in all grades...you'll just need a birth certificate and proof of residence to enroll. Good luck...I hear 'cursive' is pretty tough these days!
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Sounds like the Assistant Deputy to the Deputy Assistant of the Royal Court got this call wrong.



Clayton Elementary just called and has openings in all grades...you'll just need a birth certificate and proof of residence to enroll. Good luck...I hear 'cursive' is pretty tough these days!

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