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I thought the Dukes hit a season low when they were shredded at Fordham Sunday. Correction, losing at UMASS last night and being outscored 29-9 in the third quarter probably was worse. Vojinovic did not score and the Dukes were outrebounded by 12. Watch for Omogrosso Sunday since she now has 250 three pointers and the Alter grad Bazelak did have six steals last night. But this Dukes team is on a down cycle let's keep it that way.
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UD 16-13 after one. The usual good defense, and questionable offense.

The refs are a step beyond letting them play. Three Flyers leveled to the ground with no call.

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Canatelli has 2-3's at halftime. Dayton down 33-32
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33-32 at the half. Outshooting them in all percentages and outrebounding them. Only thing killing us is 10 turnovers to their 6, and our interior defense giving up 14 points. Wilmoth is clueless defending the post.

Lauren with 13 on some great shooting from the field and foul line.

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Please get Wilmoth out of the game. Zero points, zero rebounds and atrocious defense.
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Decent first half, but we just flat out suck on offense and defense in the third quarter. Now 15 turnovers. 26 points in the paint. Outrebounded, outhustled and outclassed by a lesser opponent.

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Down 18 going into the 4th. We look horrible. No offense.
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I wouldnt say Duquesne is a lesser opponent. They equal or more talent than we do. Our problem remains (once again): no shooting and lack of speed/athleticism. Cannatelli needs to just shoot threes. Whenever she drives to the basket its pretty much a guaranteed blocked shot or turnover. Its just not her strength.
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Decent first half, but we just flat out suck on offense and defense in the third quarter. Now 15 turnovers. 26 points in the paint. Outrebounded, outhustled and outclassed by a lesser opponent.
Wow jack really lesser opponent. Picked to win the A10, getting votes for top 25 preseason. They are just having the kind of game they were expected to have all season.
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Outscored 30-13 that quarter. Our defense is poor and our five bigs are a joke defending the paint.
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Wow jack really lesser opponent. Picked to win the A10, getting votes for top 25 preseason. They are just having the kind of game they were expected to have all season.
Why did they even bother to play the season? They should have just awarded the trophy to pre-season Duq. They are 5-4 and 11-11 on the season, and in fifth place, and you think they are the best in the A10?
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Outscored 30-13 that quarter. Our defense is poor and our five bigs are a joke defending the paint.
Now that I'll agree with.
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What the heck is with Lauren, her dribbling is atrocious.
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Why did they even bother to play the season? They should have just awarded the trophy to pre-season Duq. They are 5-4 and 11-11 on the season, and in fifth place, and you think they are the best in the A10?
Wow jack are you triggered. No one not me or Chris said they were the best team in the A10. Over react much. I merely pointed out as did Chris that they are not a lesser team and certainly not the best in the A10. Get a grip man your losing it.

It's been that kind of game for men's and women's teams all year. When a team is hit they are hot. And considering they list 3 in a row they were due.

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You know what we did good that half? Nothing.
Gave up 52 points.
Outrebounded 26-16
Outshot 57% to 16%

Their coach had them ready to play, and Greene not so much.
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Today two teams played extremely beyond their capabilities. One really good offensively and the other really bad defensively. And this is the result when two extremes meet.
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Wow jack are you triggered. No one not me or Chris said they were the best team in the A10. Over react much. I merely pointed out as did Chris that they are not a lesser team and certainly not the best in the A10. Get a grip man your losing it.

It's been that kind of game for men's and women's teams all year. When a team is hit they are hot. And considering they list 3 in a row they were due.
Get a beer and take two aspirins, Avid. Do you have relatives on Duquesne? What is the definition of lesser? Our record is better than theirs. You are having a cow like I said they are terrible and can't play basketball.
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You know what we did good that half? Nothing.
Gave up 52 points.
Outrebounded 26-16
Outshot 57% to 16%

Their coach had them ready to play, and Greene not so much.
This is the same thing that happened at SLU. They list 4 straight and we're desparate. After beating the men at SLU they get beat by 30 at st. Joe. We bounce back and beat RI by 29 at their place. That is why they play the game and don't just give out trophies. Put down what ever you are drinkin or smoking. It's one game, sky is not falling.
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Get a beer and take two aspirins, Avid. Do you have relatives on Duquesne? What is the definition of lesser? Our record is better than theirs. You are having a cow like I said they are terrible and can't play basketball.
Season is not over, Duq can make a comeback and UD can tank.

Why don't you take up your lesser with Chris r. Your the one having a cow. It was a bad gane for a mediocre UD team.
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Season is not over, Duq can make a comeback and UD can tank.

Why don't you take up your lesser with Chris r. Your the one having a cow. It was a bad gane for a mediocre UD team.
Not sure what a "lesser" is, but I will leave you winning this argument. Out.
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You know what we did good that half? Nothing.
Gave up 52 points.
Outrebounded 26-16
Outshot 57% to 16%

Their coach had them ready to play, and Greene not so much.
The Flyers provide much evidence of being a poorly coached team.

If I were the AD I would give Coach Green one more year.
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Not sure what a "lesser" is, but I will leave you winning this argument. Out.
You want a definition of lesser I'll give you one you might understand. Using your analogy Duq is the lesser team by comparing season records. My definition would be the lesser team that gets beat by 28 points.
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The Flyers provide much evidence of being a poorly coached team.

If I were the AD I would give Coach Green one more year.
Hard to come to that conclusion considering she not only won the A10 regular or tourney and made it to NCAA both her first two years.

What I and many haven't taken into consideration is that these players have not played with each other all that much and that lack of experience shows its ugly head.

Three of the starters came from different programs and had to learn a new system with new teammates. Their confidence is down big time, especially chandler.
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Seems some are Ok with this level of play. I don’t remember us being outclassed this badly in a half by anyone. Sure our pg’s are poor, but today everyone seemed to give up. Mandy went back to here old tricks of bricking 3’s. Wilmouth should move on, does she even care? But Green did not demand any discipline in our play. All year her wild and constant subbing has caused us to not have any consistency. Sure it’s just one game, our 9th one game. At this point in the season we should be improving and we aren’t. Not much to be proud of with this team.
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The Flyers provide much evidence of being a poorly coached team.

If I were the AD I would give Coach Green one more year.
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Hard to come to that conclusion considering she not only won the A10 regular or tourney and made it to NCAA both her first two years.

What I and many haven't taken into consideration is that these players have not played with each other all that much and that lack of experience shows its ugly head.

Three of the starters came from different programs and had to learn a new system with new teammates. Their confidence is down big time, especially chandler.
You're right Avid, considering Green's first two years faulting her coaching chops is a hard conclusion to come to. Perhaps it's the wrong conclusion.

Nonetheless, this is year three of the Green era and the team Dayton is putting on the floor all to often is embarrassing. The things you mentioned as issues not being taken into consideration are the coach's responsibility to deal with and correct. We are almost through Green's third season and the Dayton Flyers are but a shadow or what they were under Jabir and Green's first two years.

The program is spiraling downward. And something I have not heard, even once, from any Prider close to the program, including you, is that next year expect the Flyers to be much improved because, etc.

Clearly something is wrong and the coaches do not appear to be dealing with it well. Consider: The game today is tied at the half; both coaches use their 15 minutes to make adjustments for the second half; the second 20 minutes of play results in an annihilation...a 30 point blow out. I realize things that happen. But,..
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If you look at my posts early in the season I was hard on coach Green and the players. Mainly because theses were coach Green players. While many had D1 experience it was at different programs with different players and systems.

To me coach Green did better with less. Having a full complement of players she is trying to see who gels together. By now we should know the identity of our team. Chandler and Wilmuth have digress ed badly. We have hot **** guards that seem more interested in making up for their height by aggressively penetating the paint wildly. Even Jayla seems to have digress ed lately.

I appreciate Laurens attempts for nor scoring from the parimeter by penetrating hoping to get to the foul line. As Chris r Said it's not her strength and usually 3 things things happen when she does and two of them are bad. If Lauren had this backcourt for 3 years she'd be gard pressed to get 500 points.

Green has more players than she seems to be able coach. A learning curve for sure. She won with jus 7/8 ship players an seems lost with more.

Next year we have another transfer who is reportedly a solid player. We have two top 100 players coming in plus Skeens from this year. Four graduating only one a starter. Again green should have a full complement of players most returning with 3 possible freshmen coming in who could contribute right away.
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The program is spiraling downward.
Gee we could still have Clemette Haskins, in 4 seasons was 35-73. The ladies as a team can play. We have seen that. But being so inconsistent for the past couple seasons comes from somewhere. Coach needs to find out sooner than later and fix it before someone else does.
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We have 6 games left. 3 home 3 road. With a road record of 2 -7 looking like we finish 10 - 6 in league. Not sure what the issue is with this team and away games but it's scary.

We're 1-1 on neutral court.

Gues s we can expect more of same Thursday at VCU.
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Once again UD outdid themselves shooting-wise, going .291% from the floor for the game -- an almost unfathomable shooting percentage. Unfortunately its the fourth time this season UD has shot under .300% from the field. In the last five games they have not even shot .400% from the field and in 2 of those 5 shot under .300%.

Dayton has shot better than .450% from the floor ONCE this season in 21 games. These are the kind of shooting numbers that coaches and fans probably can't even wrap their minds around.

The season FG% is .373%. The existing program record for worst shooting team in history is .375% set in the 2003-04 season -- Jim Jabir's first season in which he finished 3-25.

In fact, three of the six worst shooting teams in program history are going to end up being in the last four seasons:

2. 2015-16 .388%
5. 2016-17 .391%
And this season which may end up #1 and move current #2 to #3 and #5 to #6.

I watched us miss no less than 5 point blank layups today before I stopped counting. If you cant make layups, there is nothing the coach can do. You were supposed to perfect the layup in the 4th grade.

Not a single post player shoots .450% from the floor (the players closest to the basket) and not a single perimeter player shoots .400% from the floor. It isn't one person. Nobody can shoot. Other than Scaife's .388% from three, there is nothing to hang your hat on.

Even foul shooting is abysmal. Yes the team average is .691% which isnt too hateful, but Cannatelli accounts for a ton of that and has almost double as many FTs made as anyone else. Take her .892% accuracy and volume out of it, and the rest of the team shoots a combined .627% from the free throw line. That's 14 other players. A few have made theirs but their volume/sample size is so small (5-10 FTs) it doesnt move the needle.

Today is one of the only games all season the defense didnt do enough to win the game. It was an anomaly. But the offense was every bit themselves again today and that's really the storyline of the entire season. Its hard to believe Jabir's first team that went 3-25 shot better than this team. So why is this team 12-9 and not on their way to 3-25? Because they are much better defensively. Which tells you if they could make layups and improve shot selection everywhere else, they'd probably be 15-6.

To me thats the key: shot selection. That's why we miss so many shots. We take terrible off-balance shots that are more like "flings" at the basket. Brittany Ward took a shot this afternoon from 6ft away. It was a turnaround short-jumper. She completely airballed it. From 6ft away. She had no idea where the basket was and where she was on the court in relation to the basket. We do not have very good spatial awareness. Too many circus shots masquerading as quality college basketball shots. Cannatelli deserves some criticism here b/c thats what most of her driving shots are. She shot one today among three tall perimeter Duquesne players where she tried to go up and under the basket on the other side and pull off some behind the head reverse leaping layup. I dont think the ball even went up on the proper side of the backboard. It would have been an unacceptable shot in a vacant gymnasium and effectively resulted in a turnover as most bad shots are treated as turnovers by the stat hounds sitting at the end of the bench.

In her defense, Lauren is asked to do too much b/c nobody else can score with regularity. With Burdette she didnt need to take these shots because Jenna could make basket inside the paint. Lauren needs to dribble drive and stop/pop from 8ft. Use the glass. She should be able to get that shot anytime she wants with a ball fake because teams will guard her tightly on the arc. She can hit that shot. She IS a good shooter even though shes been mired in a season-long slump. She just needs to take higher percentage shots. That goes for everyone else.

I dont see this team becoming a better shooting team anytime soon however. You kind of are who you are at this point. The defense will continue to do more than enough, but the offense is so woeful it cannot take advantage. And in Green's defense, some of these shooting woes were creeping up in Jabir's last couple of seasons as well. The slide had started by then.

I'm not predicting doomsday. Things can turn around. But they wont if we continue to shoot under .400%. Our offense can create good shots. They are there and readily apparent to all eyes watching the game. The space is there. The room for a ball fake, tuck, two dribbles, and wide open mid-range J are there. The easy bunnies inside are there. But we cannot finish the easy ones and then don't have the wherewithal to generate other easy ones without first taking a more difficult shot. A lot of that is just instinct and skill set. Same situation, same defense, same ball position: one kid can sense a better easier shot with a pump fake, two dribbles, and a short J, while another kid cannot see that and thinks the contested 19 footer is all that's there.

I know Shauna is frustrated. Even exasperated at times. You can see it on the sidelines every time we miss another gimme, or pull a brainfart when things are set up for success. She can't believe some of the miscues that continue to plague this offense. And I cant blame her as Id feel and act the same way. And in her defense in the post-game presser today, she said its on her and the staff in equal parts to figure it out just as it is the players to do a better job.

I do want to see more speed/athleticism though. Other than Scaife and Fowler, Im not happy with the pace of the other players. Whitehead may be the only big that can run up the floor without always being the last player trailing the play b/c they are toting too much luggage or are out of shape. Our bigs cannot continue to be the last player down the court -- thats why they miss so many shots -- they dont beat their defender to the spot on the court and when they do get down the court are now pushed 2-3 feet further away from their ideal position and thats usually all it takes to turn a good shot into a marginal one.

One reason Cornelie and Grant Allen and Toppin shot a high percentage is they out-raced their defenders to the spot.

For perspective the Elite 8 team shot .444% from the field overall and shot .500% or better 10 times (compared to 1 this year) and .450% or better 17 times (compared to 1 this year).
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Glad I didn't follow it - any hopes of winning the conference rest on a win Thursday night and a loss puts the team in jeopardy of not getting a first round tourney bye which means a home game March 5th potentially against La Salle or URI. I don;t know what more can be done this year regarding the shooting malaise. If they don't go in that won't change overnight.
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Once again UD outdid themselves shooting-wise, going .291% from the floor for the game -- an almost unfathomable shooting percentage. Unfortunately its the fourth time this season UD has shot under .300% from the field. In the last five games they have not even shot .400% from the field and in 2 of those 5 shot under .300%.

Dayton has shot better than .450% from the floor ONCE this season in 21 games. These are the kind of shooting numbers that coaches and fans probably can't even wrap their minds around.

The season FG% is .373%. The existing program record for worst shooting team in history is .375% set in the 2003-04 season -- Jim Jabir's first season in which he finished 3-25.

In fact, three of the six worst shooting teams in program history are going to end up being in the last four seasons:

2. 2015-16 .388%
5. 2016-17 .391%
And this season which may end up #1 and move current #2 to #3 and #5 to #6.

I watched us miss no less than 5 point blank layups today before I stopped counting. If you cant make layups, there is nothing the coach can do. You were supposed to perfect the layup in the 4th grade.

Not a single post player shoots .450% from the floor (the players closest to the basket) and not a single perimeter player shoots .400% from the floor. It isn't one person. Nobody can shoot. Other than Scaife's .388% from three, there is nothing to hang your hat on.

Even foul shooting is abysmal. Yes the team average is .691% which isnt too hateful, but Cannatelli accounts for a ton of that and has almost double as many FTs made as anyone else. Take her .892% accuracy and volume out of it, and the rest of the team shoots a combined .627% from the free throw line. That's 14 other players. A few have made theirs but their volume/sample size is so small (5-10 FTs) it doesnt move the needle.

Today is one of the only games all season the defense didnt do enough to win the game. It was an anomaly. But the offense was every bit themselves again today and that's really the storyline of the entire season. Its hard to believe Jabir's first team that went 3-25 shot better than this team. So why is this team 12-9 and not on their way to 3-25? Because they are much better defensively. Which tells you if they could make layups and improve shot selection everywhere else, they'd probably be 15-6.

To me thats the key: shot selection. That's why we miss so many shots. We take terrible off-balance shots that are more like "flings" at the basket. Brittany Ward took a shot this afternoon from 6ft away. It was a turnaround short-jumper. She completely airballed it. From 6ft away. She had no idea where the basket was and where she was on the court in relation to the basket. We do not have very good spatial awareness. Too many circus shots masquerading as quality college basketball shots. Cannatelli deserves some criticism here b/c thats what most of her driving shots are. She shot one today among three tall perimeter Duquesne players where she tried to go up and under the basket on the other side and pull off some behind the head reverse leaping layup. I dont think the ball even went up on the proper side of the backboard. It would have been an unacceptable shot in a vacant gymnasium and effectively resulted in a turnover as most bad shots are treated as turnovers by the stat hounds sitting at the end of the bench.

In her defense, Lauren is asked to do too much b/c nobody else can score with regularity. With Burdette she didnt need to take these shots because Jenna could make basket inside the paint. Lauren needs to dribble drive and stop/pop from 8ft. Use the glass. She should be able to get that shot anytime she wants with a ball fake because teams will guard her tightly on the arc. She can hit that shot. She IS a good shooter even though shes been mired in a season-long slump. She just needs to take higher percentage shots. That goes for everyone else.

I dont see this team becoming a better shooting team anytime soon however. You kind of are who you are at this point. The defense will continue to do more than enough, but the offense is so woeful it cannot take advantage. And in Green's defense, some of these shooting woes were creeping up in Jabir's last couple of seasons as well. The slide had started by then.

I'm not predicting doomsday. Things can turn around. But they wont if we continue to shoot under .400%. Our offense can create good shots. They are there and readily apparent to all eyes watching the game. The space is there. The room for a ball fake, tuck, two dribbles, and wide open mid-range J are there. The easy bunnies inside are there. But we cannot finish the easy ones and then don't have the wherewithal to generate other easy ones without first taking a more difficult shot. A lot of that is just instinct and skill set. Same situation, same defense, same ball position: one kid can sense a better easier shot with a pump fake, two dribbles, and a short J, while another kid cannot see that and thinks the contested 19 footer is all that's there.

I know Shauna is frustrated. Even exasperated at times. You can see it on the sidelines every time we miss another gimme, or pull a brainfart when things are set up for success. She can't believe some of the miscues that continue to plague this offense. And I cant blame her as Id feel and act the same way. And in her defense in the post-game presser today, she said its on her and the staff in equal parts to figure it out just as it is the players to do a better job.

I do want to see more speed/athleticism though. Other than Scaife and Fowler, Im not happy with the pace of the other players. Whitehead may be the only big that can run up the floor without always being the last player trailing the play b/c they are toting too much luggage or are out of shape. Our bigs cannot continue to be the last player down the court -- thats why they miss so many shots -- they dont beat their defender to the spot on the court and when they do get down the court are now pushed 2-3 feet further away from their ideal position and thats usually all it takes to turn a good shot into a marginal one.

One reason Cornelie and Grant Allen and Toppin shot a high percentage is they out-raced their defenders to the spot.

For perspective the Elite 8 team shot .444% from the field overall and shot .500% or better 10 times (compared to 1 this year) and .450% or better 17 times (compared to 1 this year).
That's a good summary of the problem. Nonetheless, it is the Coach's responsibility to develop the program by recruiting capable players, developing them, and coaching them well during games. That's what Green is paid to do.

It's not happening! The dreadful performance that so often characterizes the Flyers' play is Coach Green's responsibility. She is the person responsible for bringing capable players to UD and molding them into a team the University expects. Again....that is not happening.
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Better shooting comes down to about three things for sure. Bring in better talent, who can get their shot off and make it. Skeens supposedly can shoot, but she cannot get her shot off, and rarely can Lauren. Brings me to number two, the coaches running better offensive sets. And three, the coaches must instill the discipline to run the offense, and not take poor shots.

So right now we do not necessarily have the players, but after 3/4 of a season the learning should be about done, so play the kids who run the offense and take good shots. With 12 players you have lots of options. Scary for coaches, because short term they could lose even more games, and get criticized for playing Suzy over Kathy, but at some point you have to draw a line in the sand, or the madness never stops. Grant drew the line last year, and we ended up with a losing record, but this year things are headed upward and onward.
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We are 9-1 at home, 2-7 away and 1-1 neutral. Our shooting woes show exponentially why we lose on the road.

Takes me back to an interview I heard earlier in the year where a flyer opponent talked about shooting in the arena. He just said it's a shooters arena with great site lines etc.

Taking that a srep further may explain why both men and women shoot so poorly away from arena. Don't have the answer for it but it seems to hold true. Take into account too backboards and rims are different than what they practice on daily. But it still comes down to be able to execute and finish those putbacks.

Duquesne coach said that dayton players do not have good hands on the ball telling his girls to have active hands where the could get a steal, take rebounds away underneath and disrupt their offense.

Seems like the same strategy SLU used both men and women against UD.
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We are 9-1 at home, 2-7 away and 1-1 neutral. Our shooting woes show exponentially why we lose on the road.

Takes me back to an interview I heard earlier in the year where a flyer opponent talked about shooting in the arena. He just said it's a shooters arena with great site lines etc.

Taking that a srep further may explain why both men and women shoot so poorly away from arena. Don't have the answer for it but it seems to hold true. Take into account too backboards and rims are different than what they practice on daily. But it still comes down to be able to execute and finish those putbacks.

Duquesne coach said that dayton players do not have good hands on the ball telling his girls to have active hands where the could get a steal, take rebounds away underneath and disrupt their offense.

Seems like the same strategy SLU used both men and women against UD.
What strikes me the most in watching the Flyers is a point made by Chris....the wild, off balance shots (tosses), etc, reminds me more of a high school team than scholarship players at at the Div 1 level in a program having Dayton's aspirations. Where is the coaching? Players can be taught not to do things like that.
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What strikes me the most in watching the Flyers is a point made by Chris....the wild, off balance shots (tosses), etc, reminds me more of a high school team than scholarship players at at the Div 1 level in a program having Dayton's aspirations. Where is the coaching? Players can be taught not to do things like that.
No doubt a lot has to do with coaching and not just Green. It's almost as if they are tossing up shots in hopes of drawing files. With six games left let's see what green and staff come up with. Sports psychologist might not be bad idea again.
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the offense has regressed over the course of the season. Chandler was a big contributor early in the season. Now she hardly gets off the bench. Their inside game is non-existant.

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So much for our vaunted defense. 52 points in the second half—- gutless.
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Gutless seems harsh but if that’s how you feel what can I say other than these are college students. I guess these anonymous sites get a lot of harsh terminology.

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