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Coaching carousel 2014
www.hoopdirt.com
Several coaches have already been fired or resigned, retired, etc.
In past years, this site has done an excellent job of keeping up to date with all the coaching changes.
In past years, they have made a list tracking all the coaching changes, it doesn't look like this year's list is up yet, or I overlooked it.
Here's a list of the changes so far.
http://www.espn.go.com/mens-college-...-2014-15-seaso
Edit: and AG is safe at Alabama, the Alabama AD released a statement saying that AG is safe.
http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/87611b2...ob-at-alabama/
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FWIW, St. Bonaventure coach Mark Schmidt reportedly interviewed for the Boston College job.
http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/c4ce01a...llege-updates/
I didn't see any new information on hoopdirt.com regarding the Wake Forest coaching search.
GW coach Lonergan signed an extension.
Amaker is staying at Harvard.
South Florida offered their job to UNLV head coach Dave Rice.
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Oh wow, I hadn't heard this. Apparently ex-UConn head coach Jim Calhoun has expressed interest in the Boston College job. I guess Calhoun is restless now that he is retired? IMO, BC hiring him would be very interesting.
UAC, are you hearing anything?
http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/d8a0fdc...-dirt-3-25-14/
And former Indiana head coach Kelvin Sampson is in play for the University of Houston job.
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It was mentioned 2 weeks roughly, when Donahue lost it.
Calhoun was on NY sports radio Friday... basically saying he wasn't seeking anything. didn't deny or confirm, but my read of the interview (plus they talked about UCONN and Ollie) was that he's not wanting or going to get it.
Was intriguing for a few days.... but one never knows duz they?
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FWIW, St. Bonaventure coach Mark Schmidt reportedly interviewed for the Boston College job.
http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/c4ce01a...llege-updates/
I didn't see any new information on hoopdirt.com regarding the Wake Forest coaching search.
GW coach Lonergan signed an extension.
Amaker is staying at Harvard.
South Florida offered their job to UNLV head coach Dave Rice.
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Why does a Cuonzo Martin want to go from TN to Marquette, if he really does? Wasn't enough to interest Shaka.
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Originally Posted by Bill Elwood
Why does a Cuonzo Martin want to go from TN to Marquette, if he really does? Wasn't enough to interest Shaka.
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Could be 'showing his hand' to force TN to up the ante if they want to keep him. I'm sure TN has much deeper pockets than Marquette (given the SEC network and football), so he is probably playing the game!!
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there were a lot of UT fans that wanted Martin out and Bruce Pearl back. His seat was getting very warm before the NCAA tourney run.
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Why does a Cuonzo Martin want to go from TN to Marquette, if he really does? Wasn't enough to interest Shaka.
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Because he has good players going out and lousy players coming in. Fan base is not impressed with his recruiting.
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When Archie starts getting tied to some of these jobs (and he will), can we all agree not to freak out?
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Man, I'm already freaking out, that ship has sailed for me.
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Originally Posted by Bill Elwood
Why does a Cuonzo Martin want to go from TN to Marquette, if he really does? Wasn't enough to interest Shaka.
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At Marquette, at least men's hoops is number one.
At Tennessee, you're number three behind football and women's basketball.
Also, Buzz Williams lined up a heck of a 5-man recruiting class. If their new hire can keep those guys, I think that makes the Marquette gig more appealing. Assume a new coach gets 3 years before feeling any kind of pressure, those guys are juniors and you should have a pretty good team. Interestingly, I've read that Marial Shayok, son of former flyer Makor Shayok, wants out. He is a great player.
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Kentucky assistant Orlando Antigua takes the South Florida job
Former Oregon coach Ernie Kent takes the Washington State job
Mike Montgomery officially retires at Cal.
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Chris Mack announces that he's taking the Marquette Job. Archie Miller goes to Xavier and Jim O'Brien returns to UD!!!!!!!
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Chris Mack announces that he's taking the Marquette Job. Archie Miller goes to Xavier and Jim O'Brien returns to UD!!!!!!!
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If the Dayton Police thought the students were having a friendly riot during the Elite 8 run, the above events would change that riot from friendly to mob-inducing, and the ghetto would burn to the ground.
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Chris Mack announces that he's taking the Marquette Job. Archie Miller goes to Xavier and Jim O'Brien returns to UD!!!!!!!
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I dont care what the calander says today, this ain't funny!
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Former Oklahoma and Indiana coach Kelvin Sampson to the University of Houston. I would imagine that he will try to talk Jaaron Simmons into staying.
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Sampson has been interviewing and this was pretty much a done deal for awhile now. Jaaron would have known Sampson was most likely going to be the coach before asking for his release. And you can't blame him. Sampson is slimy. Recruiting violations follow him at every stop.
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Former Oklahoma and Indiana coach Kelvin Sampson to the University of Houston. I would imagine that he will try to talk Jaaron Simmons into staying.
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He was probably texting Simmons even before he was hired.
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Bear in mind that what got Kelvin in hot water when he was a head coach (overzealous texts and IMs) is now perfectly permissable. "The Hometown Coach" Mark Adams swears by the guy, so who knows?
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ESPN reporting that former Kent State, TCU, and Ohio U coach Jim Christian is the new head man at BC. Interesting.
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That's a thoroughly underwhelming hire.
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ESPN reporting that former Kent State, TCU, and Ohio U coach Jim Christian is the new head man at BC. Interesting.
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Wow, he certainly didn't do OU any favors. They hired him when he wanted out of a not-so-great situation at TCU and he stayed for only two years! I guess it's tough to turn down good money. It seems BC could have done better.
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It had been reported in places that Jim Calhoun was a candidate. I never believed that as academics (see UConn academic scandal) are way too important at BC. Tough job competing in BB for BC in the ACC.
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Wow, he certainly didn't do OU any favors. They hired him when he wanted out of a not-so-great situation at TCU and he stayed for only two years! I guess it's tough to turn down good money. It seems BC could have done better.
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Yeah, no doubt, I'm sure OU didn't think they'd get 2 years with 0 NCAA appearances when they hired him.
They can't get anybody to stay, Groce was only there for 4 years, although he did really well.
Jeff Boals is still available, maybe they will go after him this time.
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Pretty shocking really. Good for Christian I suppose. He must interview well. Just not sure how you even get an interview with this resume:
Two years HC at Ohio U.
(1) NIT appearance*
(1) CIT quarterfinals*
*Players he didn't recruit
If that's the strongest resume an ACC program has to consider, you'd think they would go the assistant coach route.
Of course, they never should have fired Al Skinner. He was a good coach.
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Excuses are like, well you know... but Jim Christian was compromised, except at Kent St. He had sometimes seven players to take on the road for the first two years at TCU. TCU's attendance was a couple thousand or less. Not easy to recruit players.
Ohio U brought back all starters from NCAA run, and so I don't think Jim ever ran his own system. Still, I count it a flop, and can't believe he did not full court press Akron's Diaz in the MAC Championship.
Still, Jim C. was likely to get the Xavier job, if Chris Mack did not, and Mike Bobinski (the AD) is fairly astute in hires.
Jim Christian will be able to recruit in the East, build and run his system. BC will be competitive for NCAA bids/success in a few years in the tough ACC.
Yeah, I am a relative. I don't care about the negative comments. Without being biased, I think he will do okay.
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I really liked it when OU hired JC, I just thought he would stay for more than 2 years, that's all. 1 NIT in 2 years at OU is pretty good IMO.
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You never know. Jabir did not have that great of a resume when UD hired. The problem is winning in the ACC at a bottom tier job (and that is what BC is) is going to be incredibly difficult. Christian better turn it around quickly or he won't last long.
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I hope Christian does well. A couple years ago when Groce left OU, Dayton came darn close to getting Caris Levert, who has proven to be an absolute stud at Michigan. So naturally I checked to see who OU had committed. He's got 4 guys, none of whom are from Ohio, and it does seem he's an East coast recruiter. Of his incoming recruits, 2 are JUCOS. No one that jumps out as someone Dayton recruited or who might be looking at Dayton, although I'd definitely take the jewel of their class, a 6'8" forward and national top 100 recruit, who has said that there's no way in heck he's going to Ohio now: http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1390428.html
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Hey, relax, no offense is taken by JC slights. Truthfully, I will tell you I care about the UD program. That's it.
I was practically banned because of aggressive blunt criticism of BG. I wanted what was best for this program.
Criticism of coaches is fair game. It would be no fun here if there were not hard hitting posters.
I just realized there is a possibility Dayton plays Boston College in Puerto Rico. I root for Jim otherwise, but it ain't even close where my affection is.
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Would not be excited about hiring a coach with 11 years experience and 0 NCAA/NIT wins
On the other hand, maybe we'll get to play BC in Puerto Rico
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Good chance I think. Unless they're so fed up with being used as a stepping stone, they just hire someone old, thinking he might not leave. But someone is going to hire Boals eventually.
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FWIW, a few things regarding JC:
-his wife is an alumnus of OU
-I believe that he was on the short list/one of the contenders for the open Rhody job, after Jim Baron was fired a couple of years ago, that resulted in the hiring of Danny Hurley
-JC played his first 2 years of college ball at Boston University, then he transferred to Rhody for his final 2 years of college ball, so I guess he is at least somewhat familiar with the Boston area
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And he has a sense of humor. At a meeting with boosters shortly after he was hired, one of the attendees told Christian he wasn't his first choice, but after hearing him speak he was impressed. Christian's response was, That's ok, I wasn't my wife's first choice either. Pretty good line.
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No one that jumps out as someone Dayton recruited or who might be looking at Dayton, although I'd definitely take the jewel of their class, a 6'8" forward and national top 100 recruit, who has said that there's no way in heck he's going to Ohio now: http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1390428.html
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A few notes from Hoopdirt, I have no idea if what this guy/gal posts is legit or not, but his/her posts sound plausible:
-thank goodness AM is not being mentioned lately in connection with the Cal job. Names that are rumored: ND coach Mike Brey, Gonzaga coach Mark Few, Ben Howland, the UC Irvine hc, and one of Mike Montgomery's assistants.
http://hoopdirt.com/blog/bfff828d/cal-rumors/
-apparently BC was very close to landing Jay Wright, but I guess BC wouldn't pony up the dough
-on Hustlebelt I read that Ohio U.'s AD supposedly is not considering any coaches without head coaching experience, so that would eliminate Kuwik from consideration
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Good news - Kuwik is an asset to the program (and perhaps Archie's heir apparent).
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I'm not sure what these reactions mean. Going from the Summit League to OU is certainly a step up, and this means we won't be losing Kuwik who used to be an assistant at OU and is thought of very highly there.
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Props to xubrew for calling this one, about a month or two ago, brew said that Phillips was a coach on the rise.
And another xubrew guy, Towson's Pat Skerry, was rumored to be on BC's radar per hoopdirt.
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I'm very surprised that they had that kind of money to spend, their 2013 attendance was around 6,100/game, and I'm questioning if that 6,100 number is really legit. I don't recall the 13,080 seat Convo being near half full when I was there, seems like they maybe drew around 3k or 4k back then, and I think even 3k or 4k might be generous, the Miami game every year was the only sellout I ever recall. Maybe attendance is up since then.
So, I don't know where they are getting the money from, maybe they are using some of the money from Groce's round of 32 and Sweet 16 runs.
Since they are paying him that much, he will be expected to win.
I don't know a single thing about him, I wish him good luck.
He got North Dakota State into the dance in 2009 in the first year that NDSU was eligible for the dance. They were a #14 seed that lost to #3 seed Kansas 84-74.
They were a 12 seed that upset 5 seed Oklahoma 80-75 in OT this year in the dance in the round of 64 before losing their next game 63-44 to 4 seed San Diego State.
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Yeah - you have to think Shaka would take the Kentucky job if offered. Brad Stevens might give up the NBA for that gig. Sean Miller, Thad Matta, Billy Donovan - all those guys are listening. Kentucky is for sure one of the top three gigs out there.
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Yeah - you have to think Shaka would take the Kentucky job if offered. Brad Stevens might give up the NBA for that gig. Sean Miller, Thad Matta, Billy Donovan - all those guys are listening. Kentucky is for sure one of the top three gigs out there.
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At least if Shaka was the choice to replace him, that wouldn't have a massive ripple effect on the carousel. VCU probably replaces him with an assistant and everyone moves on. If he left though and they took from a middle-of-the-road BCS school, that's when you get the ripple effect that could get our coach involved.
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according to a Cal source they have offered the job to Mack.
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If he goes, does Xavier promote from within again?
I'm a believer in second chances, so I'd be okay with giving some of these guys a do-over.
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Per the San Jose Mercury News, a source said on April 1st that AM was not interested in the Cal job.
So, since I think the Cal job is the last big job out there that is still open, hopefully it will be smooth sailing for the rest of the off-season as far as not having to worry about somebody stealing AM is concerned.
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The job openings so far this year have been WEAK. If AM leaves for a place like Cal or Wake or Marquette, then we UD fans are in big trouble.
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Will be interesting to see how this works out. I think mack is ok as a head coach but he inherited a GREAT situation with a lot of momentum at Xavier. Since he arrived they have plateaued and even gone a little bit downhill. Some of it could be considered a little bit of bad luck with player issues.
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Will be interesting to see how this works out. I think mack is ok as a head coach but he inherited a GREAT situation with a lot of momentum at Xavier. Since he arrived they have plateaued and even gone a little bit downhill. Some of it could be considered a little bit of bad luck with player issues.
I haven't seen anything from Mack that makes me think he can take a program by the horns and turn them into a winner.
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It was just announced a short time ago that Mack turned down the Cal job offer and will be staying at X.
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Cuonzo Martin from Tennessee to Cal. Interesting. I don't know who would be in play for Tennessee at this point.
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I think Cuonzo had enough of Tennessee. He stepped into a bad situation and got a ton of grief from the fan base, they wanted Bruce Pearl back. Certainly Cal is at best a lateral move but more likely a step down. However, it seems like the expectations will not be nearly as high in Berkeley.
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with UT coming off a sweet 16 run my take is that Martin really wanted out and UT wasn't overly excited about keeping him around.
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I could see Gregg Marshall being interested in the Tennessee gig. I get the vibe that maybe he's not real well-liked by ADs and other coaches so no one has really come after him. But he has those southern roots and would recruit well in SEC country.
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with UT coming off a sweet 16 run my take is that Martin really wanted out and UT wasn't overly excited about keeping him around.
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I have a couple friends who work in the UT athletic department (mainly with the football team) they made it seem as Martin and the AD really butted heads and something had to give.
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I think Marshall realizes
1) he has a great job and could stay forever without getting fired
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Is UT a great job? Not historically and it ranks way behind UT football.
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This is the first job opened so far this year that I think Archie would consider if he is offered.
Don't think this is just a football school. They are top 10 in the country in attendance and have the help of football money to throw at a basketball coach.
I would guess they would consider Marshall and Smart before Archie, but Archie will be high on their list.
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I think the whole Chris Mack flirting with Cal thing shows he doesn't really want to be at Xavier right now. Maybe the search will start and end there?
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I think the whole Chris Mack flirting with Cal thing shows he doesn't really want to be at Xavier right now. Maybe the search will start and end there?
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He was already offered the Tennessee job a couple/few years ago when they hired Martin, and he turned down the offer. I am doubting that they will pursue him again.
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wow ... check out this tweet. Obviously there is a ton of dysfunction within the athletic department at UT.
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Whoever takes the Tennessee job is walking into a rebuilding effort. Jarnell Stokes declared for the NBA draft and 3 of their top players were seniors in Jordan McRae, Antonio Barton and Jeronne Maymon.
One player has transferred out in Quinton Chievous
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I think the whole Chris Mack flirting with Cal thing shows he doesn't really want to be at Xavier right now. Maybe the search will start and end there?
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IIRC Tenn and Mack talked before they hired Martin.
But who knows. Seems like weird things going on.
- Have a coach that just took the team sweet 16 yet UT does not seem all that interested in keeping him around
- The coach who just made the sweet 16 has been checking every possible exit
- Players seem genuinely happen for Martin
Bizarre.
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He was already offered the Tennessee job a couple/few years ago when they hired Martin, and he turned down the offer. I am doubting that they will pursue him again.
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the last time UT had do go down to a mid level MVC school to find a coach.
UT has never even made a final four. They may have good attendance but they do not have a great past of basketball full of success.
Knoxville is all about football.
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wow ... check out this tweet. Obviously there is a ton of dysfunction within the athletic department at UT.
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Tennessee's athletic department is more than $200 million dollars in debt, maybe they are strapped for cash. I wonder if that is at the root of the dysfunction?
Maybe Martin wanted either a pay raise for himself or his assistants or access to a private jet for recruiting or a bigger recruiting budget or whatever, and maybe they couldn't afford to give him any of those things.
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One of the 5 verballed to Tennessee yesterday and announced today he would go to Cal with Cuonzo.
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"You sign two five-star prospects in a span of three recruiting classes, win more games each year than the year before, mold a roster into a team that will soon make the Sweet 16, and, still, literally tens of thousands of your own fans have taken time out of their days to sign a petition requesting that you be replaced by the man you replaced three years earlier"
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the last time UT had do go down to a mid level MVC school to find a coach.
UT has never even made a final four. They may have good attendance but they do not have a great past of basketball full of success.
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Football and women's basketball are big players there, but I do think Tennessee is an attractive job. Before my time so maybe it was the editing, but I watched that Bernie and Ernie 30 for 30 not too long ago, and the atmosphere surrounding the program during that time (late 70s) seemed pretty electric. Better/easier to take a sleeping giant with all the resources and make it elite or to take a gig at an elite program and try to maintain elite status?
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"You sign two five-star prospects in a span of three recruiting classes, win more games each year than the year before, mold a roster into a team that will soon make the Sweet 16, and, still, literally tens of thousands of your own fans have taken time out of their days to sign a petition requesting that you be replaced by the man you replaced three years earlier"
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That probably sums up pretty well why he wanted to get the heck out of Tennessee.
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Bernie and Ernie was mid 70s and a different era.
Their head coach at the time was Ray Mears who they had hired from Wittenberg.
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Gotta love the SEC. Fire a coach for lying about violations that occurred days after he wept while taking accountability for other violations, and then just bring him back. Great fans. I have to admit that I long for the day that the SEC is finally exposed. Loooooong for it.
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who would want to step into this dysfunctional mess?
"When Martin hit the road, Jordan McRae took to social media: “Can’t treat people any kind of way and expect good in return,” he wrote.
No you cannot. Even in this weird, morally challenged world, the golden rule does still have some teeth. You can’t spend three years making a man feel like an unwanted interim coach and then, once he reaches the Sweet 16, expect him to return the warm and phony embrace. "
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who would want to step into this dysfunctional mess?
"When Martin hit the road, Jordan McRae took to social media: “Can’t treat people any kind of way and expect good in return,” he wrote.
No you cannot. Even in this weird, morally challenged world, the golden rule does still have some teeth. You can’t spend three years making a man feel like an unwanted interim coach and then, once he reaches the Sweet 16, expect him to return the warm and phony embrace. "
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Let's assume Martin's recent success this year would have the fans finally on his side. So it took him three years to win them over? If it's just booing and people posting stuff on message boards, that's the kind of thing I can see affecting a player (and obviously McRae felt it directed at his coach) but for a coach, it should come down to the level of confidence he's being shown by his AD.
Don't get me wrong, I get wanting to go someone you're truly wanted (that's why Buzz took the Virginia Tech gig I think) but the Tennessee situation doesn't scream dysfunction to me on the surface. Perhaps, there's more to it than meets the eye however. Perhaps there was not a strong relationship between AD and coach. That would explain a lot. What I really hope is that Cuonzo didn't feel something more than the usual fan negativity - i.e. threats to himself or family, racial prejudice perhaps, or something sinister along those lines. If any of that were true, of course you're getting out of town, and that's not a good situation to be involved with.
But it's really hard to say and I can't read too much into what McRae said. Every fanbase has knuckleheads and if a player is paying attention to the knuckleheads, then he's going to feel that disrespect and if given an excuse/opportunity, he may choose to spout off about it.
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Let's assume Martin's recent success this year would have the fans finally on his side. So it took him three years to win them over? If it's just booing and people posting stuff on message boards, that's the kind of thing I can see affecting a player (and obviously McRae felt it directed at his coach) but for a coach, it should come down to the level of confidence he's being shown by his AD.
Don't get me wrong, I get wanting to go someone you're truly wanted (that's why Buzz took the Virginia Tech gig I think) but the Tennessee situation doesn't scream dysfunction to me on the surface. Perhaps, there's more to it than meets the eye however. Perhaps there was not a strong relationship between AD and coach. That would explain a lot. What I really hope is that Cuonzo didn't feel something more than the usual fan negativity - i.e. threats to himself or family, racial prejudice perhaps, or something sinister along those lines. If any of that were true, of course you're getting out of town, and that's not a good situation to be involved with.
But it's really hard to say and I can't read too much into what McRae said. Every fanbase has knuckleheads and if a player is paying attention to the knuckleheads, then he's going to feel that disrespect and if given an excuse/opportunity, he may choose to spout off about it.
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I've spent time in the state of TN. Knoxville lives and dies with football. Although they like all sports, I think Football will always trump b-ball. Martin was going to fail strictly based on the fact he wasn't Bruce Pearl. Bruce Pearl won the SEC in basketball. The big concern with Martin was his recruiting. He had the reputation for not liking to recruit. Personally, I think he fit into the SEC with his tough defensive minded brand of basketball.
Bruce Pearl to his credit was the ultimate used car salesman. He embraced all that was good about the TN fans, the state, their fan base when he was there. The one thing you do need to do in Knoxville is embrace the community. In terms of Archie, I'm not sure he'll go as far as Pat Summitt or Bruce Pearl in terms of their love for all things Tennessee.
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Like I said above, from insiders at UT, there was definitely tension between the AD and Martin. But after reading their message board, most are thrilled he is gone. It is very weird. I know some were happy here when BG left (myself included) but this takes that to a whole new level imho.[/URL]
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I missed that. Makes sense. Tennessee to Cal is a lateral move at best so friction between the AD and coach explains it.
The real irony in this is the fanbase had no patience for Cuonzo. And yet, now they're excited to basically start over - not knowing whom the hire will be? It just doesn't make sense that an impatient fanbase would be excited to start over!
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Like I said above, from insiders at UT, there was definitely tension between the AD and Martin. But after reading their message board, most are thrilled he is gone.
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and the next coach is going to struggle early and not be Bruce Pearl and will likely find himself in the exact same spot as Martin.
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Tom Ostrom's name thrown out as a candidate for Maine job: http://www.fillthesteins.com/2014/04...-woodward.html
Logic seems to mostly be because Ostrom can handle cold weather being from Minnesota.
Seems like if that's the primary hiring criteria, Kevin Kuwik being from Buffalo should get consideration though, right?
Good news though is Archie is probably not taking that job so we can all rest easy...
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Look whose picture is shown on the Scouts.com article about replacing Cuonzo Martin at UT:
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