Jacob Toppin to transfer

[lhsgolf19]

I really hope Jacob made the right decision... I do think the best chance for him to play consistent minutes is probably at Iowa St.

Also, god it helps to have that last name right now lol

[Monster Man]

I hope he thanks Obi for making him a big-time transfer player for P5 schools. Being in the A10, Dayton never had a chance.
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[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan Could not disagree more. This is the student section, and it is not 1954.

Actually they probably did it in 1954 also. I know we were doing it in the '70's when I was a student.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein Rhode Island transfer Jacob Toppin tells me that he has cut his list to the following programs: Kentucky Oregon Iowa State Not gonna make it easy for Roni to attend his games at any of those three, particularly Oregon

thanks Swampy!

Go Flyers!

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein Rhode Island transfer Jacob Toppin tells me that he has cut his list to the following programs: Kentucky Oregon Iowa State Not gonna make it easy for Roni to attend his games at any of those three, particularly Oregon

Well, for him to already have a list narrowed down to those schools, there had to have been some tampering. 2 days from the Announcement?

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[BeckysTXA]

1. I went to Iowa State. They will not make the NCAA tournament anytime soon. I don’t get this one. Former UD assistant James Kane is an assistant there.

2. Oregon - they return 3 forwards in Jacob’s class that were higher recruits than him plus just picked up a forward transfer from Duquesne - Williams, a junior. Not sure I get this one either unless Obi is going to be in the northwest with the NBA??? Or signing with Nike soon and this is part of the unofficial deal???

3. Kentucky - needs forwards. 3 left for the draft with agents. Another left the team in January. I’m assuming they have some high recruits coming in. Maybe someone can look that up. Coach does know how to get players ready for the NBA, if you come into his program already at an elite level. Maybe someone else knows if he’s also taken on a development player and gotten them there is 2-3 years?? Just doesn’t seem to be UKs MO??? But they are a blue blood.

This list is kind of shocking to me. I expected P5s+1 offers, but not this list.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Well, for him to already have a list narrowed down to those schools, there had to have been some tampering. 2 days from the Announcement?

I think you can assume there is tampering by pretty much every school with any kid even remotely thinking of transferring. All it takes is for a Coach to contact his AAU coach to talk about current players and "oh by the way, any chance that Toppin kid is thinking about moving on, I think he'd fit great in my system".

[Sea Bass]

Of the 50 players who transferred up a level to a high-major program a year ago and took the court this past season, just two averaged more than a dozen points per game, and only three put up more than an average of 10 shots per game. “Guys have to understand it’s basically starting over,” said Jeantal Cylla, who went from averaging 13.7 points in 2018-19 at UNC Wilmington to scoring a grand total of 29 points in 28 games this past season at Arkansas. “The stats mean nothing once you leave there. You have to prove yourself all over again. It’s a risk,” he added.

https://watchstadium.com/transferrin...rs-04-13-2020/

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Medford I think you can assume there is tampering by pretty much every school with any kid even remotely thinking of transferring. All it takes is for a Coach to contact his AAU coach to talk about current players and "oh by the way, any chance that Toppin kid is thinking about moving on, I think he'd fit great in my system".

Yep, and I'll take it a step further, I bet there's lots of tampering that takes a kid not even remotely thinking of transferring and puts it in their heads.

[Sea Bass]

I think the best anwer for next season is betting on guys that know the system.

[longtimefan]

He must think he's pretty good. Hope it works out.

[BeckysTXA]

Interesting comment about the Toppin family visits to URI. Not a direct quote, so might not be true. But if it is, I feel for URI and also for Jacob. Look what UD did in the 3 years Obi was here - over st the arena. URI AD says they have raised $1.5 of a $5 mill goal. Not even in the same ballpark. On the flip side, hard to blame a mom and dad for wanting the best for both their sons.

https://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ct-hoops-storm

Oregon and KY have world class facilities/programs. But you still gotta get minutes.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[AZFlyer85]

Kentucky would be a huge mistake. Iowa St. makes the most sense, their program lives off of transfers. Good luck to him.

[BeckysTXA]

I reached out to A10 for confirmation on A10 to A10 transfers. Per at text I received from Drew Dickerson in the communications department, Jabolnski’s tweet of the A10 policy is the current policy.

Sit 2 years unless you win an appeal. I’m sure that took UD off the table right away.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA Interesting comment about the Toppin family visits to URI. Not a direct quote, so might not be true. But if it is, I feel for URI and also for Jacob. Look what UD did in the 3 years Obi was here - over st the arena. URI AD says they have raised $1.5 of a $5 mill goal. Not even in the same ballpark. On the flip side, hard to blame a mom and dad for wanting the best for both their sons. https://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ct-hoops-storm Oregon and KY have world class facilities/programs. But you still gotta get minutes.

When Hurley was out of there I read one of his frustrations was not having a practice gym. Apparently they share court time with women's hoops, volleyball practices/games and intramurals.

If Fatts Russell wanted to get up extra shots he was going to a LA Fitness type place

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[Sticks 'n Stearns]

Well, guess we'll have to hope for him to come to UD as a grad transfer for the 2022-23 season.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by Sticks 'n Stearns Well, guess we'll have to hope for him to come to UD as a grad transfer for the 2022-23 season.

Or we get KY, OR or IA St on our schedule soon.

[SeasonTicketFan]

These schools obviously believe that Jacob is more than just a role player. Inside word I heard is that he is as advanced as his older brother.

Glad to see him leave URI. I was hoping he would come to UD. Grant and his staff have an excellent development program for big men.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA I reached out to A10 for confirmation on A10 to A10 transfers. Per at text I received from Drew Dickerson in the communications department, Jabolnski’s tweet of the A10 policy is the current policy. Sit 2 years unless you win an appeal. I’m sure that took UD off the table right away.

good work right there!

good luck to Jacob,
sure hope this works out for him...

Go Flyers!

[steverino015]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA Or we get KY, OR or IA St on our schedule soon.

that is exactly my thinking...

Go Flyers!

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by UDEE79 Actually they probably did it in 1954 also. I know we were doing it in the '70's when I was a student.

And in the ‘80s, when I was there.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by OCFlyer85 Kentucky would be a huge mistake. Iowa St. makes the most sense, their program lives off of transfers. Good luck to him.

Just looking at the coaches, I think he could do well with Prohm or Altman (but better with Anthony Grant). Calipari just reminds me too much of Richard Gere’s portrayal of Billy Flynn from the movie “Chicago”, always looking for the next big “payday”, and anybody else is yesterday’s news.
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan These schools obviously believe that Jacob is more than just a role player. Inside word I heard is that he is as advanced as his older brother. Glad to see him leave URI. I was hoping he would come to UD. Grant and his staff have an excellent development program for big men.

Think about it. Obi played a year at prep school. Then sat out a year at UD. After Jacob sits a year wherever, he will be at the same place experience wise as Obi when he actually started playing at UD. Jacobs year at URI May be even more valuable than Obi’s year at prep school.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by CE80 Think about it. Obi played a year at prep school. Then sat out a year at UD. After Jacob sits a year wherever, he will be at the same place experience wise as Obi when he actually started playing at UD. Jacobs year at URI May be even more valuable than Obi’s year at prep school.

This was my thought when I thought UD could be an option. The missing factor now is the offense and defense run by these schools. UDs positionless offense that placed Obi up Top most of the time was key to what he could do. Defensively, our ability to switch didn’t require fighting thru screens as much as other teams. Plus, how many points (dunks) did Obi get beating teams down the floor?

What other team out there does all this to take advantage of Toppin skill-sets? If he develops like Obi, is the coach willing to change the systems?

[Sticks 'n Stearns]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan Glad to see him leave URI.

I'm not.... getting tired of seeing kids with potential leaving the A10 (or any lower-level conference) for the P5 +1. This isn't just towards Jacob, but the grass isn't always greener.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Sticks 'n Stearns I'm not.... getting tired of seeing kids with potential leaving the A10 (or any lower-level conference) for the P5 +1. This isn't just towards Jacob, but the grass isn't always greener.

Yeah, if he came to UD, that would be one thing and yes, I'd be happy. And my personal dislike for RI aside, the A10 is getting weaker by the year and that's not good for Dayton. And this trend is certainly not good for NCAA basketball. I'm very afraid of what things are going to be 5 years from now. Are we going to have to set our standards back to cracking the top 40? If transfers don't have to sit for one year, it's going to be that way or worse unless we move into a stronger conference and even then, I wouldn't be happy because I like the fact that the little guy has a chance to accomplish big things whether that little guy is UD or that little guy is Ball St.

[BeckysTXA]

Mid-Majors and High-Majors have been the feeder programs for coaches for years with buyout clauses. Nobody should be surprised when they become feeder programs for players soon.

There has to be a point where money talks. I don’t know where the money nets out, but with 2/3rds of the teams (?) out of the P5+1, I have to think there has to be some type of leverage the mid-high majors have if they could get together to push back on some of this.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA Interesting comment about the Toppin family visits to URI. Not a direct quote, so might not be true. But if it is, I feel for URI and also for Jacob. Look what UD did in the 3 years Obi was here - over st the arena. URI AD says they have raised $1.5 of a $5 mill goal. Not even in the same ballpark. On the flip side, hard to blame a mom and dad for wanting the best for both their sons. https://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ct-hoops-storm Oregon and KY have world class facilities/programs. But you still gotta get minutes.

I think this new transfer rule if it passes is awful for college sports, I don't like this at all.

This is going to cause a lot of chaos, things are never going to be the same.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[ud2]

Instead of there being something around 500? or 600? D1 basketball transfers per year, around 1.5 per team on average, the numbers imo will undoubtedly increase to 700? or 800? or 1,000? per year.

Players playing for 3 schools in their career, which is pretty rare now just with graduate transfers, will become more commonplace.

Coaches will be scrambling even more every year to fill roster gaps.

There will be more need for players to be instantly gratified leading to a degradation in the quality of play as coaches will have to play players that are not ready for fear of losing them to the transfer portal if the player does not get enough pt.

And imo there will be more p5 poaching of the non-p5's: the p5's seem to benefit the most from poaching graduate transfers already.

[Brad S.]

Originally Posted by ud2 Players playing for 3 schools in their career, which is pretty rare now just with graduate transfers, will become more commonplace.

Do the proposed transfer rules allow a player to change schools more than once and play right away, or is it to be a one-time thing?

[ud2]

Originally Posted by O'side Flyer Do the proposed transfer rules allow a player to change schools more than once and play right away, or is it to be a one-time thing?

There is a one time transfer without having to sit out a year with the new rule. A 2nd transfer will require a sit out year.

On second thought, maybe I am wrong, and the transfer numbers will only increase slightly.

1 or 2 years at the first school...transfer then without a sit out year...1 or 2 years at the new school...the graduate transfer option only seems to come into play because the player had to sit a year and already has their degree but still has a year of eligibility left.

I am not sure many players will want to sit a year for only one more year of playing. But, I suppose a player could put in one year, transfer and play somewhere else for a year, and then want to sit out in exchange for 2 more years, who knows.

[Brad S.]

Originally Posted by ud2 There is a one time transfer without having to sit out a year with the new rule. A 2nd transfer will require a sit out year. On second thought, maybe I am wrong, and the transfer numbers will only increase slightly. 1 or 2 years at the first school...transfer then without a sit out year...1 or 2 years at the new school...the graduate transfer option only seems to come into play because the player had to sit a year and already has their degree but still has a year of eligibility left. I am not sure many players will want to sit a year for only one more year of playing. But, I suppose a player could put in one year, transfer and play somewhere else for a year, and then want to sit out in exchange for 2 more years, who knows.

That makes sense.

I wouldn't think that the grad transfer (I don't really like that term) rule would change. Once a player graduates and goes to another school as a grad student, he or she isn't really a transfer. If I'm wrong, someone please set me straight.

[priceg75]

Kentucky? LOL

[marco red eagle]

The money quotes to me … from the article.
https://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ct-hoops-storm

Why did Jacob leave RI?

"Cox said. “We recruit high-major guys and, for an assortment of reasons, get some of them. That’s been our recipe and it’s worked. But that dream to play at a higher level never really leaves them.”

"Cox said. “We got Jacob here because his people believed this was a mid-major program that could get him to a different level. He was moving in that direction, but when his family came here a few times this season, they wanted to see the growth of our program. They felt it’s not where we needed to be."

"The other issue is program enhancements. The old adage of if you’re not moving ahead, you’re falling behind has never been more true. Kids know which programs have the $30-million practice facilities, the pristine weight rooms, the team nutritionists, the sweet charter aircrafts. Rhody is in that game but not to the degree of most of the programs in the six or seven dominant conferences."

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Kentucky? LOL

I had the same thought. Jacob is getting bored being quarantined and released the list he did as a joke. Obi might even be behind it. None of the teams make sense. I would still bet none of these 3 is where he ends up.

[flyerfanatic86]

Originally Posted by marco red eagle "Cox said. “We got Jacob here because his people believed this was a mid-major program that could get him to a different level. He was moving in that direction, but when his family came here a few times this season, they wanted to see the growth of our program. They felt it’s not where we needed to be." "The other issue is program enhancements. The old adage of if you’re not moving ahead, you’re falling behind has never been more true. Kids know which programs have the $30-million practice facilities, the pristine weight rooms, the team nutritionists, the sweet charter aircrafts. Rhody is in that game but not to the degree of most of the programs in the six or seven dominant conferences."

You have to wonder if the family spending so much time at UD really further illustrated the differences between URI and other programs. UD had just finished massive Arena renovations and was selling out nearly every game, in addition to the other luxuries they've had for years like the charter flights.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by marco red eagle The money quotes to me … from the article. https://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ct-hoops-storm Why did Jacob leave RI? "Cox said. “We recruit high-major guys and, for an assortment of reasons, get some of them. That’s been our recipe and it’s worked. But that dream to play at a higher level never really leaves them.” "Cox said. “We got Jacob here because his people believed this was a mid-major program that could get him to a different level. He was moving in that direction, but when his family came here a few times this season, they wanted to see the growth of our program. They felt it’s not where we needed to be." "The other issue is program enhancements. The old adage of if you’re not moving ahead, you’re falling behind has never been more true. Kids know which programs have the $30-million practice facilities, the pristine weight rooms, the team nutritionists, the sweet charter aircrafts. Rhody is in that game but not to the degree of most of the programs in the six or seven dominant conferences."

Was this Cox's resignation letter? Or just political suicide?

[UD62]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Was this Cox's resignation letter? Or just political suicide?

I don't think he endangered himself at all. Overall I thought he gave a reasonable explaination of where the Rams fit in the scheme of things. They recruit well, are successful on the court. having trouble holding on to players that want a "bigger stage", and don't spend like the P-5's.

UD has a lot going for it, we are a high major in everything but conference. Top notch facilities, supportave fan base = $$$, charter transportation, top 30 in attendance, top 25 in program value.
The conference thing is a negative in recruiting and costs the Flyers overall. That probably won't change in the near future and, like Rhodie, we will struggle for the better players. I don't however believe AG will have the type of turnover that the Rams have had (the housecleaning a couple years ago not withstanding).

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by UD62 I don't however believe AG will have the type of turnover that the Rams have had (the housecleaning a couple years ago not withstanding).

Agreed, most of our turnover since AG has been here has either been addition by subtraction (I'll spare the individual names because some people are sensitive on this board) or guys that were well liked but are very replaceable (i.e. Matos, Jordan Davis). And I believe that everyone who has left under AG to date has gone to "lower" level teams. If we start to lose guys that are difference makers that go to high major programs then I'll start worrying.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

I know, UDPride is a site to laugh, discuss, opine, etc. But I have to address the elephant in the room. I've talked to my spouse, kids, grand-kids and their input and support are great. But somewhere I have to get the following off my chest to someone else. So I've chosen this forum.

Talking about Jacob, transfers etc is, to me, so minimal right now. The future of the USA, as we know it, is on the line. What happens in the next two weeks will either get us straightened out economically or lead us to the next Great Depression. That light at the end of the tunnel, I'm afraid just might be another train. And we know what happens when two trains hit head on.

If our leaders, both sides of the aisle, do not quite playing politics and pointing fingers, playing the blame game.....and instead make some correct decisions, the cure is going to be worse the the virus. So we go on, locked down, no one working except essentials, in order to curtail the corona. What good will our health be to us if we are all standing in the soup line? I know my comments will be challenged, and if so I hope it helps you and others cope with this national emergency.

Hope you and yours are well and safe. In order to help us all work thru this I invite you to join me daily at 3 pm ET in offering The Lords Prayer with each other.

God Bless !!

[BeckysTXA]

Thanks for your prayers...and urging people to join you, Piqua.

So this thread doesn’t migrate into a political discussion...

Kentucky has to replace 94% of its scoring and 84.4% of its rebounding next year. They do have the #1 recruiting class coming in with three 5-star guards. But one is considering jumping to the G League. And they have no big right now. Pursuing Purdue grad transfer Haarms.

Dang...if we could get them on our schedule...

[BeckysTXA]

I just read the ISU fan forum. They initially thought they had Toppin because James Kane coached Obi here giving them the inside track. The thread was funny. Lots of comments like they couldn’t wait to play Iowa with a Toppin.

Then someone posted a tweet from KYbb saying an unexpected commitment coming soon and they all jumped on the we aren’t getting him bandwagon. To be honest, it was kind of funny. As far as I know, no announcement yet.

[ud2]

A post from the RI board, take it for what it is worth:

I've read some Oregon people post they have zero scholarships available, if accurate maybe he will walk on? Obi should be a rich man soon enough. Reading some of the comments of KY and Duck fans, they are not very complimentary of Jacob to say the least. Especially KY. And these comments are only with his name being mentioned in same sentence as KY.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by ud2 A post from the RI board, take it for what it is worth: I've read some Oregon people post they have zero scholarships available, if accurate maybe he will walk on? Obi should be a rich man soon enough. Reading some of the comments of KY and Duck fans, they are not very complimentary of Jacob to say the least. Especially KY. And these comments are only with his name being mentioned in same sentence as KY.

The ISU fan forum also said no scholarship at OR.

NIKE - Obi deal might be in the works here. Not saying any money to Jacob, other than Obi paying his tab at OR which is legal. I think all 3 schools are NIKE.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA The ISU fan forum also said no scholarship at OR. NIKE - Obi deal might be in the works here. Not saying any money to Jacob, other than Obi paying his tab at OR which is legal. I think all 3 schools are NIKE.

I agree, it looks like all 13 scholarships are currently filled. Amauri Hardy just transferred in on Sunday.

http://verbalcommits.com/schools/oregon

[OSU Flyer]

Francis Okoro might be out the door for Oregon

[lhsgolf19]

Wow... Jacob headed to Lexington to play for Calipari... Didn't see that coming

Could be a bad move for PT, we'll see... Hope it's the right decision

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Wow... Jacob headed to Lexington to play for Calipari... Didn't see that coming Could be a bad move for PT, we'll see... Hope it's the right decision

He could struggle for playing time at Kentucky. The "one and dones" are far to anxious to showcase their skill with playing time. Good luck, Jacob.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by TommyGola He could struggle for playing time at Kentucky. The "one and dones" are far to anxious to showcase their skill with playing time. Good luck, Jacob.

I feel the same way. Granted, he could “blow up” the same way Obi blew up, but UK gets 3-4 5-Stars a year. If Cal gets a couple of 6’8”-6’9” studs out of HS or PS for the 2021-22 season, then Jacob could get less court time as a Sophomore at UK than he got as a Freshman at URI. I wish him well, but I’m concerned this was a mistake.
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	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[BeckysTXA]

First, I’m not discounting Jacob’s potential. His dad could fly. We all know what Obi could do. And from what I saw of Jacob, he looks to have hops too, although maybe not as much as Obi. Still above average for a 6’8” guy. His 3 pt percentage was .240 last year. There is plenty of work to be done if he’s going to contribute at KY.

However...after reading KY fan forums I found the following two things “interesting”. Last year the ran out of players. (We’ve been there.) an injury and another player left the team in Jan. They had problems practicing. Some of their fans are calling him a practice player that might develop. Plus, KY rarely uses all 13 scholarships. So other fans are saying go ahead and use them up on a project.

As we’ve said before, Obi’s family is our family. I too hope it works out for him because he’s family. But I worry if it does work out exceptionally well...how many other 2-Star A10 players will want the same opportunity? When they can transfer immediately, the 3 & 4 Star players transferring out will go up. And now that we know A10 to A10 transfers have to sit 2 years...how much talent will leave the A10 in the next 5 years?

[Townie]

I wish him well, but I haven’t noticed Cal developing many players. I would think that this was a mistake .
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[OSU Flyer]

Can't blame for taking a gamble on himself

At least now he has a practice facility to put up shots in

[66flyer]

While I was catching up on this thread, a bulletin from CBS Sports popped up on my phone saying, "Kentucky basketball lands Jacob Toppin, brother of Obi Toppin, as transfer from Rhode Island".
A paragraph down farther says, "It's unclear if Toppin plans to pursue a waiver for immediate eligibility, though the NCAA is considering a rule change that would allow all student-athletes to transfer once without sitting out for the season."
Kentucky? ICK! I can't stand Calipari.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[AZFlyer85]

Originally Posted by 66flyer While I was catching up on this thread, a bulletin from CBS Sports popped up on my phone saying, "Kentucky basketball lands Jacob Toppin, brother of Obi Toppin, as transfer from Rhode Island". A paragraph down farther says, "It's unclear if Toppin plans to pursue a waiver for immediate eligibility, though the NCAA is considering a rule change that would allow all student-athletes to transfer once without sitting out for the season." Kentucky? ICK! I can't stand Calipari.

BIG MISTAKE! He will sit the bench behind a parade of one and dones

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[FlyingArrow]

Seems like a mistake, but good luck.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 I know, UDPride is a site to laugh, discuss, opine, etc. But I have to address the elephant in the room. I've talked to my spouse, kids, grand-kids and their input and support are great. But somewhere I have to get the following off my chest to someone else. So I've chosen this forum. Talking about Jacob, transfers etc is, to me, so minimal right now. The future of the USA, as we know it, is on the line. What happens in the next two weeks will either get us straightened out economically or lead us to the next Great Depression. That light at the end of the tunnel, I'm afraid just might be another train. And we know what happens when two trains hit head on. If our leaders, both sides of the aisle, do not quite playing politics and pointing fingers, playing the blame game.....and instead make some correct decisions, the cure is going to be worse the the virus. So we go on, locked down, no one working except essentials, in order to curtail the corona. What good will our health be to us if we are all standing in the soup line? I know my comments will be challenged, and if so I hope it helps you and others cope with this national emergency. Hope you and yours are well and safe. In order to help us all work thru this I invite you to join me daily at 3 pm ET in offering The Lords Prayer with each other. God Bless!!

I guess you don't realize we have an Off-Topic board. I (as everyone) am living this all day every day. It is depressing enough without reading about it on a basketball forum. It is also depressing that when UD plays WSU next MLK day there will be no fans allowed.

[Brad S.]

Originally Posted by longtimefan It is also depressing that when UD plays WSU next MLK day there will be no fans allowed.

You win the internet today!

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 I know, UDPride is a site to laugh, discuss, opine, etc. But I have to address the elephant in the room. I've talked to my spouse, kids, grand-kids and their input and support are great. But somewhere I have to get the following off my chest to someone else. So I've chosen this forum. Talking about Jacob, transfers etc is, to me, so minimal right now. The future of the USA, as we know it, is on the line. What happens in the next two weeks will either get us straightened out economically or lead us to the next Great Depression. That light at the end of the tunnel, I'm afraid just might be another train. And we know what happens when two trains hit head on. If our leaders, both sides of the aisle, do not quite playing politics and pointing fingers, playing the blame game.....and instead make some correct decisions, the cure is going to be worse the the virus. So we go on, locked down, no one working except essentials, in order to curtail the corona. What good will our health be to us if we are all standing in the soup line? I know my comments will be challenged, and if so I hope it helps you and others cope with this national emergency. Hope you and yours are well and safe. In order to help us all work thru this I invite you to join me daily at 3 pm ET in offering The Lords Prayer with each other. God Bless !!

You gotta be kidding. Like we're not blitzed with this crap every where we turn and if we want to discuss it or read about it, all we have to do is open up yahoo or just about anything that keeps up to the minute tabs on what's going on in the world. Most of us forced to sit in our homes and we can't be blamed for wanting to go to our favorite team's message board to escape it. It's not an elephant in the room, it's a break from the elephant that's charging us from every direction.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

Sorry, I did not mean to offend anyone.
Obviously I was not familiar with the Off Topic board.
All stay well.
Good news today.
God Bless!

[steverino015]

it's all okay, we are stressed and going
through severe Flyer withdrawal at the same
time....

good luck Jacob,
hope this works out for him...

Go Flyers!

[Medford]

I've caught enough Coach Cal shows driving home from work to realize that Cal is a really smart basketball coach. he developed a ton of kids while @ UMass and Memphis, and despite the high number of one & dones, he does a ton of development work with the kids at Kentucky who are only there for a year.


Additionally, I'm sure he realizes that the days of 1 and done are nearly done. If Jacob has to sit out a year, its very likely next season is the last season that kids will have to wait a year out of HS before declaring for the draft. The whole landscape of who Cal recruits will be completely different in a couple of years. They will still be really, really good, but they won't be heading off to the NBA right away.


I hope Jacob does well, I see a ton of potential in him and I hope similar to his brother it is realized. He will carve out time, how much is to be determined. Its entirely possible he finds himself sitting behind the next CAT and Uni-Brow but its also entirely possible that he finds himself in the starting lineup for 2-3 years, especially if he can develop his outside shot and bulk up. Go chase that dream and land among the stars.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[springborofan]

That’s a very good point Medford. Coach Cal is no dummy. He knows the days of one and done are ending soon. As much as I hate to admit it, he is a good coach and does develop talent. He knows his program and what its needs are and sees potential in Jacob.

It doesn’t make it any easier as a member of the A10 but it’s clear that the blue bloods are adapting to a new environment where chasing after 18 yr old to play for one season may be shifting to looking to “call up” players who show promise at lower leagues.

I think UD will be OK as we will do this ourselves to a lesser degree (and already have on some occasions like Cooke and Chatman). CAG is going after kids that I don’t believe will fall for the hype after a couple stellar years. He also has developed a culture that differentiates itself from a culture at a place like Rhody. Finally, our facilities and other amenities are top notch—there is no need to chase something better.

The primary impact for UD is that the A10 will suffer. I think it is critical UD finds a new conference soon.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[CT Flyer]

Was there an Adam Waleskowski love fest like this when he went to Fla. St.? How many pages long will the Malachi Smith to [fill in the blank] thread be?

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by Medford I've caught enough Coach Cal shows driving home from work to realize that Cal is a really smart basketball coach. he developed a ton of kids while @ UMass and Memphis, and despite the high number of one & dones, he does a ton of development work with the kids at Kentucky who are only there for a year.

Bought. The word you mean there is "bought".

[Jack D]

Good luck Jacob.

[N2663R]

Move along. Nothing more to see here . . . .

[superfan99]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Was there an Adam Waleskowski love fest like this when he went to Fla. St.? How many pages long will the Malachi Smith to [fill in the blank] thread be?

Keith W. and Scoochie Smith were fantastic players here....but they weren't Obi.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by marco red eagle The money quotes to me … from the article. https://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ct-hoops-storm Why did Jacob leave RI? "Cox said. “We recruit high-major guys and, for an assortment of reasons, get some of them. That’s been our recipe and it’s worked. But that dream to play at a higher level never really leaves them.” "Cox said. “We got Jacob here because his people believed this was a mid-major program that could get him to a different level. He was moving in that direction, but when his family came here a few times this season, they wanted to see the growth of our program. They felt it’s not where we needed to be." "The other issue is program enhancements. The old adage of if you’re not moving ahead, you’re falling behind has never been more true. Kids know which programs have the $30-million practice facilities, the pristine weight rooms, the team nutritionists, the sweet charter aircrafts. Rhody is in that game but not to the degree of most of the programs in the six or seven dominant conferences."

The lack of practice facility is a huge drag for him

[Alberto Strasse]

is up against it now with his recruits going to the "G" league.

[OSU Flyer]

"The other issue is program enhancements. The old adage of if you’re not moving ahead, you’re falling behind has never been more true. Kids know which programs have the $30-million practice facilities, the pristine weight rooms, the team nutritionists, the sweet charter aircrafts. Rhody is in that game but not to the degree of most of the programs in the six or seven dominant conferences."

Huge advantage UD has versus the rest of the A10

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Huge advantage UD has versus the rest of the A10

Yes, but unfortunately, that only makes us a 4,000 square foot mansion in a neighborhood full of bungalows. Either the bungalows need to get bigger, or we need to move the house.

And yes, I know my comment should be in the “We Need To Be In The ‘Whatever’ Conference” thread, but it’s relevant to the topic of losing Jacob Toppin to a Blue Blood, after his older brother was able to reach the Pinnacle of college basketball here at UD.
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[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by superfan99 Keith W. and Scoochie Smith were fantastic players here....but they weren't Obi.

Scoochie was pretty popular when he was here. Some on this board said he was the best point guard of all time at UD.

At any rate I will not be rooting for Jacob just because he is Obi's brother. My hate of all things Kentucky/Calipari far outweighs my like of a brother of a UD player.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Scoochie was pretty popular when he was here. Some on this board said he was the best point guard of all time at UD. At any rate I will not be rooting for Jacob just because he is Obi's brother. My hate of all things Kentucky/Calipari far outweighs my like of a brother of a UD player.

C'mon, you can't see the difference between a 6'2 point guard's brother and the brother of a physical and skilled freak of nature that was the best player in NCAA basketball this season? Add in the fact that the thought he could play for the same coach that developed his brother was exciting and intriguing for the short period of time it lasted. Scoochie played for Archie so his brother possibly coming to Dayton to play for CAG makes it a totally different situation.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 C'mon, you can't see the difference between a 6'2 point guard's brother and the brother of a physical and skilled freak of nature that was the best player in NCAA basketball this season? Add in the fact that the thought he could play for the same coach that developed his brother was exciting and intriguing for the short period of time it lasted. Scoochie played for Archie so his brother possibly coming to Dayton to play for CAG makes it a totally different situation.

I wasn't referring to him coming here, which as we know now was not an option because of the A10 transfer rule. If he came here I would have supported him like any other player that comes to UD (at least until they stop helping the program grow, i.e. XW).

I was referring to the desire to root for him at other schools or being happy that we don't have to root against him twice a year at URI now. I had no problem rooting against him twice at URI this year. He didn't come to UD so I don't feel it necessary to root for him at other schools. I didn't root for Adam Waleskowski or any other brother that may have played somewhere else. And as I said I hate Kentucky and Calapari so no chance I will root for him at UK. Others can if they wish, it's just not my cup of tea.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Medford I've caught enough Coach Cal shows driving home from work to realize that Cal is a really smart basketball coach. he developed a ton of kids while @ UMass and Memphis, and despite the high number of one & dones, he does a ton of development work with the kids at Kentucky who are only there for a year.

I agree, I tend to think that Cal is a good coach that does not get enough credit. He put UMass on the map, he had to have some coaching chops in order to pull that off. And Memphis has fallen back some since he left.

Everybody just says that he is a dirty, slimy guy that lands all the big recruits, and that is the only reason why he wins. I think there is a lot more to him than that.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 I agree, I tend to think that Cal is a good coach that does not get enough credit. He put UMass on the map, he had to have some coaching chops in order to pull that off. And Memphis has fallen back some since he left. Everybody just says that he is a dirty, slimy guy that lands all the big recruits, and that is the only reason why he wins. I think there is a lot more to him than that.

I think most people realize he is a good basketball coach or he wouldn't have succeeded. However his well documented sketchyness has led lots of people to look less than favorably on him regardless of his coaching prowess.

Barry Bonds was a great baseball player but his steroid connection has cost him a lot of respect from fans and the baseball community as a whole.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer I wasn't referring to him coming here, which as we know now was not an option because of the A10 transfer rule. If he came here I would have supported him like any other player that comes to UD (at least until they stop helping the program grow, i.e. XW). I was referring to the desire to root for him at other schools or being happy that we don't have to root against him twice a year at URI now. I had no problem rooting against him twice at URI this year. He didn't come to UD so I don't feel it necessary to root for him at other schools. I didn't root for Adam Waleskowski or any other brother that may have played somewhere else. And as I said I hate Kentucky and Calapari so no chance I will root for him at UK. Others can if they wish, it's just not my cup of tea.

That's fair. But what threw me off was this quote by you "How many pages long will the Malachi Smith to [fill in the blank] thread be?". The majority of responses to this topic took place before we knew for an absolute fact he wasn't coming here and also before we knew he chose KY. And yeah, some have wished him good luck no matter where he chose to go and some even after. What's so outlandish about that? If you hate Kentucky, I can see why you would root against him. Now, since he chose KY, there's still conversation to be had. Bad choice vs. good choice. Root for him because he's our greatest player ever's brother vs root against him vs apathy.

Personally, I am kind of ****ed because this was flat out tampering, no way a guy announces on Monday cuts it down to 3 on Wednesday and choose on Thursday. This was already in the works IMO and he probably knew all along(before Monday) he was going to KY. He waited a couple days to see who contacted him and threw a couple names out besides KY to make it look like their was no pre-announcement BS going on.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 I know, UDPride is a site to laugh, discuss, opine, etc. But I have to address the elephant in the room. I've talked to my spouse, kids, grand-kids and their input and support are great. But somewhere I have to get the following off my chest to someone else. So I've chosen this forum. Talking about Jacob, transfers etc is, to me, so minimal right now. The future of the USA, as we know it, is on the line. What happens in the next two weeks will either get us straightened out economically or lead us to the next Great Depression. That light at the end of the tunnel, I'm afraid just might be another train. And we know what happens when two trains hit head on. If our leaders, both sides of the aisle, do not quite playing politics and pointing fingers, playing the blame game.....and instead make some correct decisions, the cure is going to be worse the the virus. So we go on, locked down, no one working except essentials, in order to curtail the corona. What good will our health be to us if we are all standing in the soup line? I know my comments will be challenged, and if so I hope it helps you and others cope with this national emergency. Hope you and yours are well and safe. In order to help us all work thru this I invite you to join me daily at 3 pm ET in offering The Lords Prayer with each other. God Bless !!

I commend your comments. Agree with them 100%. Common sense has been thrown out the window. Either people start washing their hands and using a mask and get back to work or watch a depression ensue that likely ends up killing hundreds of millions worldwide over the next decade. Get this quarantine over with already. People are afraid to open golf course putting greens because there might be someone within 50' of you. And yes I understand the point of social distancing; it was designed to flatten the curve, not become the new normal.

[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Medford I've caught enough Coach Cal shows driving home from work to realize that Cal is a really smart basketball coach. he developed a ton of kids while @ UMass and Memphis, and despite the high number of one & dones, he does a ton of development work with the kids at Kentucky who are only there for a year. Additionally, I'm sure he realizes that the days of 1 and done are nearly done. If Jacob has to sit out a year, its very likely next season is the last season that kids will have to wait a year out of HS before declaring for the draft. The whole landscape of who Cal recruits will be completely different in a couple of years. They will still be really, really good, but they won't be heading off to the NBA right away. I hope Jacob does well, I see a ton of potential in him and I hope similar to his brother it is realized. He will carve out time, how much is to be determined. Its entirely possible he finds himself sitting behind the next CAT and Uni-Brow but its also entirely possible that he finds himself in the starting lineup for 2-3 years, especially if he can develop his outside shot and bulk up. Go chase that dream and land among the stars.

Nobody ever doubted Cals basketball IQ; it's his moral and ethical IQ we all question.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 I commend your comments. Agree with them 100%. Common sense has been thrown out the window. Either people start washing their hands and using a mask and get back to work or watch a depression ensue that likely ends up killing hundreds of millions worldwide over the next decade. Get this quarantine over with already. People are afraid to open golf course putting greens because there might be someone within 50' of you. And yes I understand the point of social distancing; it was designed to flatten the curve, not become the new normal.

I think people are getting the message. More and more people are wearing both masks and gloves now when I am out. It is close to 50/50 now of masked vs. unmasked, it might even be more like 60/40 or 70/30 masked vs. unmasked. The glove wearers are still in the minority.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Wow... Jacob headed to Lexington to play for Calipari... Didn't see that coming Could be a bad move for PT, we'll see... Hope it's the right decision

I hope Roni Toppin has thick skin. The "Obi's better" chant seemed to chafe her...wait'll she gets to the SEC gyms, INCLUDING Rupp!

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Radar I hope Roni Toppin has thick skin. The "Obi's better" chant seemed to chafe her...wait'll she gets to the SEC gyms, INCLUDING Rupp!

I'm sure there's a big difference when your son is being targeted because he's the enemy only than having split allegiances and having the crowd use your older son to put down your younger son.

There was nothing wrong with her reaction. I thought it was kind of clever to be honest. "Obi's older" is something typical of a mother. There was nothing thin skinned about it.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Medford I think you can assume there is tampering by pretty much every school with any kid even remotely thinking of transferring. All it takes is for a Coach to contact his AAU coach to talk about current players and "oh by the way, any chance that Toppin kid is thinking about moving on, I think he'd fit great in my system".

The list that Toppin put out makes me think it was a red herring. He got a couple coaches semi-interested but Cal had him in the bag all along. To avoid tampering allegations he made it look like someone had not contacted him in the middle of the last school year and he was planning this all along.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by longtimefan67 Nobody ever doubted Cals basketball IQ; it's his moral and ethical IQ we all question.

A great summary, longtime!
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Gazoo The list that Toppin put out makes me think it was a red herring. He got a couple coaches semi-interested but Cal had him in the bag all along. To avoid tampering allegations he made it look like someone had not contacted him in the middle of the last school year and he was planning this all along.

Would be interesting to subpoena some phone or other communication records, to see if Jacob or anyone close to him received a number of messages/calls from anyone in the 859 Area Code.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Radar I hope Roni Toppin has thick skin. The "Obi's better" chant seemed to chafe her...wait'll she gets to the SEC gyms, INCLUDING Rupp!

I used to work with a woman who was a UK grad from the Tubby Smith era. She told me that, when he’d put his son Saul into a game, the students would chant “Daddy’s Boy”. And that was mocking one of their own players.
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[CE80]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 Would be interesting to subpoena some phone or other communication records, to see if Jacob or anyone close to him received a number of messages/calls from anyone in the 859 Area Code. Posted via Mobile Device

It doesn't work that way. One of the UK people would contact the player's AAU coach or in Jacob's situation, probably his uncle. There would not be direct contact until the player entered the transfer portal.

[Bucketnight]

Originally Posted by Gazoo The list that Toppin put out makes me think it was a red herring. He got a couple coaches semi-interested but Cal had him in the bag all along. To avoid tampering allegations he made it look like someone had not contacted him in the middle of the last school year and he was planning this all along.

Who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory?! Certainly college sports' history has a history that leaves itself open to it.

The question I would have about this one specifically... Is Jacob that good?

He's certainly a nice player and I would think a nice fit at most programs. I understand the transference of Obi's growth as a player but that doesn't have the best history as a projection of siblings. Maybe he will be a POY candidate but it seems more likely he will be a role player... although there have been several role players from Ky that were selected in the 1st round of the draft.

I'm not defending Cal overall. Just wondering why he would have (hypothetically of course) singled out Jacob.

[UDGutter2]

Some coaches recruit well.

Some coaches develope well.

Some do both well.

I always saw Calipari as a recruiter.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CE80 It doesn't work that way. One of the UK people would contact the player's AAU coach or in Jacob's situation, probably his uncle. There would not be direct contact until the player entered the transfer portal.

It could be as simple as someone from KY contacted Obi's agent.

[Piqua Flyer '66]

longtimefan 67 and ud2..................
Thanks for your comments and reply to my misplaced corona virus topic above.
I really appreciate your input and discussing the concerns I put forth instead of just
blasting someone, as others did, who put forth his heartfelt feelings in the wrong forum.

Hope all are doing well, God Bless, "see" you at 3 pm

Go Flyers, good luck Jacob.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 It could be as simple as someone from KY contacted Obi's agent.

Except Obi didn't sign with an agent until after the season so the contact would not have taken place during the season as was surmised.

[frisco flyer]

I can’t see Kentucky cheating to get Jacob. Does Cali cheat? Hell ya he does. But KU can get better players without lifting a finger. Cheating is reserved for the blue chips, and Jacob is not that. Had he not been Obi’s brother he would just be one of the hundreds of nice players in the transfer portal looking for greener pasture.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by CE80 Except Obi didn't sign with an agent until after the season so the contact would not have taken place during the season as was surmised.

Is it not tampering to talk a guy out of his commitment after the season is over? Isn't that the reason for the transfer portal, so that the player initiates the fact that he's now available again? I'll answer that for you, yes.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer I can’t see Kentucky cheating to get Jacob. Does Cali cheat? Hell ya he does. But KU can get better players without lifting a finger. Cheating is reserved for the blue chips, and Jacob is not that. Had he not been Obi’s brother he would just be one of the hundreds of nice players in the transfer portal looking for greener pasture.

That makes no sense. "KU can get better players without lifting a finger" so they go and get a lesser player? If it's that easy, tell me why?

Man, puts his name in the portal on Monday, narrows it down to 3 by Wednesday and announces his decision on Thursday. If you believe that all went down honestly, naivety has set in.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Man, puts his name in the portal on Monday, narrows it down to 3 by Wednesday and announces his decision on Thursday. If you believe that all went down honestly, naivety has set in.

I agree that this happened very quickly, he was in the portal for only 4 days, that's it. Hard to believe that everything on both ends was worked out that quickly.

[John C.]

It doesnt take long to make up your mind when UK calls. Not sure why people want to make this a conspiracy.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 That makes no sense. "KU can get better players without lifting a finger" so they go and get a lesser player? If it's that easy, tell me why? Man, puts his name in the portal on Monday, narrows it down to 3 by Wednesday and announces his decision on Thursday. If you believe that all went down honestly, naivety has set in.

In a normal year players take campus visits. Not this year. I know nothing about early contacts, friend of friend contacts or no contact outside the legal process. But a quick decision did not surprise me. Others have reported 20+ schools reaching out to then in the first 24 hours.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by John C. It doesnt take long to make up your mind when UK calls. Not sure why people want to make this a conspiracy.

BS. It should take some time to see who all contacts you. KY is not everyone's perfect fit and Jacob isn't an ordinary KY recruit. He's got a low floor and high ceiling for a P5. It's right in front of everyone's face as to why KY could actually be one of the worst choices for him. He might get recruited over and wind up having his college career wasted.

But, the fact his entering the recruiting portal was a total shock to everyone, his 3 day turn around reeks of tampering.

Also, don't forget, in two days he included Iowa St. and Oregon on his list, I guess same applies for them as with KY huh?

[Brad S.]

Do you need to actually enter the portal to talk to other teams, or do you just need permission from your coach/school once you've informed them of your intention to transfer?