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Ok chief, tell me if I will like this more than last years. Kinda feels like more leverage for the teams that drink each other's bath water. (BE).
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Translation, Dayton, St Mary's & San Diego St performed far too well for Duke's liking, so we're going to adjust until Coach K either retires or his satisfied
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If the NCAA wanted to be transparent about this change, they would provide the NET rankings with the current system side-by-side with the rankings using the proposed system, and they would do it for each of the years since the NCAA adopted the NET ranking system. Then we would know how the two systems compare and who benefit from this change. But alas, this is the NCAA and transparency is not high on their list of values or priorities.
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If there is no transparency, which there is not, this just seems pointless.
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does it make a sound? If a changed NET formula is applied in a season that does not occur does anyone care?
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It is a little fishy that they are changing it after UD and SDSU were rated so high in the NET this year.
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It is a little fishy that they are changing it after UD and SDSU were rated so high in the NET this year.
Yeah......how'd that happen?
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"to increase accuracy..."

Yeah thats about as open-ended as it gets. Who determines that? What determines that? How do you know if you failed to reach it? Sounds like vague buzz words to me.
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Translation, Dayton, St Mary's & San Diego St performed far too well for Duke's liking, so we're going to adjust until Coach K either retires or his satisfied
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"to increase accuracy..."

Yeah thats about as open-ended as it gets. Who determines that? What determines that? How do you know if you failed to reach it? Sounds like vague buzz words to me.
I believe the translation is, “to ensure that more 14-loss P5 teams finish in the Top 50”.
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"to increase accuracy..."
Translation- so 3 of the top 4 (GON,DAY,SDU) are never non P5 and BE schools.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basket...l-net-rankings

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Who is that who has been saying for a couple years now that soon the NCAA March Madness will consist of teams from only the P5/BE Conferences?.....the rest of the minions to NIT

OR.....Flyers can drop down to D2 and average 3,300 per game at UD Arena

OR.....enlarge Welcome to 95,000 and move up to D1 football.
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Who is that who has been saying for a couple years now that soon the NCAA March Madness will consist of teams from only the P5/BE Conferences?.....the rest of the minions to NIT

OR.....Flyers can drop down to D2 and average 3,300 per game at UD Arena

OR.....enlarge Welcome to 95,000 and move up to D1 football.

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So did they make it "better"? Who knows. Your guess is as good as mine.
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I am sure there will be some questioning by some of the big names in the media. All they would have to do is do a comparison of what was published this year with how it would have looked under the new formula. It ain't brain surgery unless they have already done that and are afraid of the pushback.
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I assume this is an accurate summation from Lunardi.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...-rankings-tool:

It was announced Monday that the NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET), which replaced the long-standing Ratings Percentage Index (RPI) in August 2018, has been reduced to two components from its original five for the 2020-21 season.

The two remaining components are Team Value Index (TVI) and adjusted efficiency. Gone are winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and scoring margin.

The best way to think of TVI and adjusted efficiency may be with a pair of questions: Who did you play and how did you play? RPI was primarily a measure of the "who," whereas the first iteration of NET was a reasonable attempt at measuring the "how." This newly revised and still undisclosed NET formula appears to be an attempt to combine the two, while retaining an increased emphasis on the "how" and perhaps eliminating some of the less-than-credible early-season NET releases.

With the precise calculations kept confidential, we are left for now to compare metrics in the public domain. From my seat, the best "comp" for TVI will be ESPN's strength of record (as part of its Basketball Power Index, or BPI). The top public efficiency ratings in college basketball remain those of the inimitable Ken Pomeroy, or KenPom.
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How can any metric not factor in winning? Isn't that the most important part of the game? Isn't that why we all watch? Perhaps winning % needs weighed lighter or heavier, but to completely dismiss it altogether sounds a lot like inside lobbying for those 16-12 (8-12) power conference schools to slide in on deep state machine-learning Googlist metrics.
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How can any metric not factor in winning? Isn't that the most important part of the game? Isn't that why we all watch? Perhaps winning % needs weighed lighter or heavier, but to completely dismiss it altogether sounds a lot like inside lobbying for those 16-12 (8-12) power conference schools to slide in on deep state machine-learning Googlist metrics.
Exactly right! I have been saying for a few years now that winning in college basketball has been completely devalued as long as you win at least 50% of your games. It is the only sport that I know of that winning is not the main component.

As I've always said, I get that there are 353 teams in D1 so I understand the need to quantify who you play as part of the equation because not every win or loss is the same. BUT you also can't just say we played a lot of good teams close so we must be good....there has to be more value on actually winning the game, not just coming close! In the current system college coaches can no longer say there aren't moral victories because there actually are in college basketball.

Maybe during the NCAA tourney we should choose to move the 32 teams that had the best wins/losses to the 2nd round, not necessarily who won the games because some of the teams that lost may have actually played better than some who won. One 5 seed who is favored by KenPom by 16 only beats a 12 by 1 point but a 13 seed who is a 19 pont dog by KenPom but only loses to a 4 seed by one. So lets move the 13 to the next round instead of the 5 seed because their loss is better than the 5 seed's win.

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How can any metric not factor in winning? Isn't that the most important part of the game? Isn't that why we all watch? Perhaps winning % needs weighed lighter or heavier, but to completely dismiss it altogether sounds a lot like inside lobbying for those 16-12 (8-12) power conference schools to slide in on deep state machine-learning Googlist metrics.
When teams are selected for The Dance based on “birthright”, then the “who” is more a function of the Conference affiliation than it is of the won/loss record.
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How can any metric not factor in winning? Isn't that the most important part of the game? Isn't that why we all watch? Perhaps winning % needs weighed lighter or heavier, but to completely dismiss it altogether sounds a lot like inside lobbying for those 16-12 (8-12) power conference schools to slide in on deep state machine-learning Googlist metrics.
I’d like to know all the people from Google who worked on this and what universities they attended...just to make sure there was no bias from the programmers-data collectors and non-P5 institutions were represented fairly.
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Exactly right! I have been saying for a few years now that winning in college basketball has been completely devalued as long as you win at least 50% of your games. It is the only sport that I know of that winning is not the main component.

As I've always said, I get that there are 353 teams in D1 so I understand the need to quantify who you play as part of the equation because not every win or loss is the same. BUT you also can't just say we played a lot of good teams close so we must be good....there has to be more value on actually winning the game, not just coming close! In the current system college coaches can no longer say there aren't moral victories because there actually are in college basketball.

Maybe during the NCAA tourney we should choose to move the 32 teams that had the best wins/losses to the 2nd round, not necessarily who won the games because some of the teams that lost may have actually played better than some who won. One 5 seed who is favored by KenPom by 16 only beats a 12 by 1 point but a 13 seed who is a 19 pont dog by KenPom but only loses to a 4 seed by one. So lets move the 13 to the next round instead of the 5 seed because their loss is better than the 5 seed's win.
Over the years, I’ve gotten so disgusted with the arguments for including middling teams in The Dance, primarily on the basis of Conference affiliation. The arguments used to go something like this:
Q-Georgetown was selected for the tournament this year, despite the fact that they had an 18-12 record. Why were they selected?
A-They played a very tough schedule. I mean, they played UConn! They played Syracuse! They played Seton Hall!
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A-They played Syracuse! They played Seton Hall! They played...

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Since W/L is no longer factored, SOS/efficiencies will run the show. And guess who has a built-in mechanical advantage to play strong SOSs based on league affiliation, and infinite buy-games to pad efficiencies?

Sure feels like the NCAA is on the path to developing a ranking where the finish line is the starting point. From there, back-fill it with a mathematical model to substantiate the grades.

Name any other sport where rankings or championships are at play and winning/losing is entirely irrelevant. I cant think of one.
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