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Old 02-27-2016, 05:14 PM
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Can we be honest about Archie's recruiting ??

Let's just be honest, his sophomore and freshman class have produced ZERO impact players, that's 6 players total, now I don't wanna say any names but not a single one would get a grade above C at this point, facts don't lie at the end of the day
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Old 02-27-2016, 05:22 PM
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Key word being freshman and sophomores.
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Old 02-27-2016, 05:22 PM
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Hard to blame the underclassmen when the upperclassmen can't keep it together.
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Old 02-27-2016, 05:24 PM
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Don't judge those classes until 2-3 years.
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Darrell Davis led the A10 in 3 % last year. Also, transfers count. This is a little silly.
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Yes, Archie does deserve his fair share of blame what ever that is. For any program it is indeed nice when that underclassmen at this point (no one on the team this far into a season is a 'freshman') can compete is a true luxury. We'll dig up this thread in a year or so and some of the current underclassmen will not still be on this team for whatever reason. Remember Archie is still learning just like all of us, but he should take his fair share of the blame which I think he is. Folks welcome to the big time, WE want that bar to be higher and higher soooo...enjoy these DOWNS and ups.

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Let's just be honest, his sophomore and freshman class have produced ZERO impact players, that's 6 players total, now I don't wanna say any names but not a single one would get a grade above C at this point, facts don't lie at the end of the day
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You continue to post the worst crap. Glad you said his Freshman and Sophomore class because I wouldn't be sure which group you'd put Big Steve in. But if you tell me you're not happy that he's on our team, I will tell you that you are not a Flyers' fan.
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I post facts, you would rate steves play this year higher than average ? You are going to tell me he is 6'11 tallest guy on the court and in the last 2 games he has 6 points and 3 rebounds, 3 rebounds ! I never said anyone's name I said all of them, and for what it's worth I bleed red and blue, season ticket holder also been to Pittsburgh and George mason games this year with tickets for NYC in 2 weeks
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Old 02-27-2016, 06:11 PM
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Darrell Davis led the A10 in 3 % last year. Also, transfers count. This is a little silly.
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Do u we have a freshman or sophomore transfer playing this year ? Nope
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Do u we have a freshman or sophomore transfer playing this year ? Nope
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Charles Cooke was in the same recruiting class as Big Steve and DD.
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When a poster prefaces his post with "lets be honest", or "the truth is", or"I'm being realistic", it is usually followed with his opinion stated as a fact. This is a opinion board and "facts" are usually molded to the posters view of the world.
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Let's just be honest, his sophomore and freshman class have produced ZERO impact players, that's 6 players total, now I don't wanna say any names but not a single one would get a grade above C at this point, facts don't lie at the end of the day
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We weren't winning earlier with the underclassmen, and we arent losing because of them. Teams always go as far as the upperclassmen will take them.

Besides, Big Steve and Crosby have improved as the year has gone on.
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Are you guys trying to chase Archie to a better job;it sure looks like it. A couple of months ago post were saying final 4, now your bad mouthing the coach.
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Are you guys trying to chase Archie to a better job;it sure looks like it. A couple of months ago post were saying final 4, now your bad mouthing the coach.
Only people who are unrealistically expecting our freshman to play like juniors. What's happening I think is mental within the players' heads and while a coach's job is to fix these things, it takes time. I'm hoping Archie's on it. If he's not, he deserves the criticism. I'm guessing he is on it.
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Originally Posted by bcross View Post
Charles Cooke was in the same recruiting class as Big Steve and DD.
Am I missing something?

Cooke is a redshirt Junior, aka, 4th year in school.

Big Steve is a redshirt freshman, aka, 2nd year in school.

Darrell Davis is a true sophomore, aka, 2nd year in school.

Same recruiting class?
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Cooke opened up his "recruitment" in 2014 to leave James Madison. Archie landed him. Archie has made it clear that transfers are a major part of his coaching philosophy when it comes to bringing in players. You can argue the details but he recruited Charles in that year, same as when Darrell and Steve were recruited in.
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The freshmen have almost zero to do with our problems right now. They were on the court when we were playing good. Now if UDScott is making a different point, and just commenting about the quality of our true freshmen, then I agree. Crosby is the only one that shows anything right now.
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I think Mikesell also has some serious offensive upside but I'm not if he will ever be able to figure it out defensively or if he is athletic enough to get it done on that end of the floor. Crosby is obviously very raw but I think will become more polished with each year. Sam I'm not sure will bring much to the table for the next 3+ years.
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Originally Posted by Figgie123 View Post
Am I missing something?

Cooke is a redshirt Junior, aka, 4th year in school.

Big Steve is a redshirt freshman, aka, 2nd year in school.

Darrell Davis is a true sophomore, aka, 2nd year in school.

Same recruiting class?
I believe he is saying recruiting class of that year, Cooke was recruited that year so same class of that year
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I cannot and will not ever blame freshman players. They have enough pressure on their shoulders and now you can't expect them to carry a team. They are one year removed from competing against other high school athletes most of which are not as good as them.

Contribute a little okay. When freshman are taken out of the game, the score should be the same or a little better than when they went into the game. Coaches should say, "don't lose the game for us when you are put in." When there was freshman basketball, freshman did not play against upper classman. Don May did not play against upperclassmen in his first year. Our freshman are not of the Kentucky one and done variety. They need the experience of college basketball which they now getting through varsity participation in pressurized situations. Help them learn and adapt and the future will be stronger. We are still not a senior laden team.

Sure, our freshman made mistakes but they are learning. Don't come down on them so hard that they want to transfer. Get off their backs and place the blame where it should be at this time - extremely poor play against inferior opponents even at home, the older experienced players and coaching staff.
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Am I missing something?

Cooke is a redshirt Junior, aka, 4th year in school.

Big Steve is a redshirt freshman, aka, 2nd year in school.

Darrell Davis is a true sophomore, aka, 2nd year in school.

Same recruiting class?
This is Cooke's 2nd year at UD, just like Big Steve and DD. It's the same recruiting class because they were all brought in together the same year. Obviously not in the same class eligibility wise.
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This is Cooke's 2nd year at UD, just like Big Steve and DD. It's the same recruiting class because they were all brought in together the same year. Obviously not in the same class eligibility wise.
This gets confusing. We need a decisive definition of "Recruiting Class". See recruiting(year they were recruited) is one thing and class(Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, Senior) is another. And then are we referring to basketball class or school class?

I always thought recruiting class referred to all freshman recruits and didn't include transfers. I got in argument over recruiting class with someone in this forum over Keith Waleskowski. He attached him to Finn and Marshall where I attached him to Green and Hall.

So, my suggested categories are:

Recruiting class: Players entering college for the first time. (Waleskowski, Green, Hall)
Transfer class: all transfer players and grouped by year they took their first class at new school.
Graduating class: All players playing their last eligible sports year in college.(Waleskowski, Finn, Marshall)

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Exactly no one is talking about a junior transfer, I clearly stated the freshman and sophomores
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Cooke took the place of recruiting a high school prospect who would be a sophomore. That's a recruiting decision that Archie had to make. Just trying to be "honest" about Archie's recruiting.
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I post facts, you would rate steves play this year higher than average ? You are going to tell me he is 6'11 tallest guy on the court and in the last 2 games he has 6 points and 3 rebounds, 3 rebounds ! I never said anyone's name I said all of them, and for what it's worth I bleed red and blue, season ticket holder also been to Pittsburgh and George mason games this year with tickets for NYC in 2 weeks
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Please go through the Flyers seasons(feel free to go back as far as you want) and list all Freshman you felt rated higher than a C? Because the ridiculous part of your statement is to insinuate that Big Steve is a disappointment. To me he is a player to be excited about, more so after watching his play this year than before the season started.
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Cooke took the place of recruiting a high school prospect who would be a sophomore. That's a recruiting decision that Archie had to make. Just trying to be "honest" about Archie's recruiting.
I have never heard of anyone lumping a transfer who is a 4th year junior with sophomores.
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Originally Posted by Smitty10 View Post
This gets confusing. We need a decisive definition of "Recruiting Class". See recruiting(year they were recruited) is one thing and class(Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, Senior) is another. And then are we referring to basketball class or school class?

I always thought recruiting class referred to all freshman recruits and didn't include transfers. I got in argument over recruiting class with someone in this forum over Keith Waleskowski. He attached him to Finn and Marshall where I attached him to Green and Hall.

So, my suggested categories are:

Recruiting class: Players entering college for the first time. (Waleskowski, Green, Hall)
Transfer class: all transfer players and grouped by year they took their first class at new school.
Graduating class: All players playing their last eligible sports year in college.(Waleskowski, Finn, Marshall)
Smitty10........there you go making perfect sense again
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I have never heard of anyone lumping a transfer who is a 4th year junior with sophomores.
Archie only has X amount of scholarships to fill a year. He can do it with transfers, JUCOs, and high school seniors. There seems to be a yearly thread debating on which option Archie should use with that "final" scholarship.

The OP wants to imply that Archie's recruiting has declined, and chooses to word it so as to not consider Cooke as part of it.
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Names can get confusing. I personally think that if a scholarship is awarded in a specific year then that scholarship player is part of the class. Granted he may not be a true freshman but the scholarship counted against the available scholarships for that class. Thus Steve would be counted as signed with the sophomore class and CC with the current freshmen. The total number of players sighed in a given year should be considered when evaluating the strengths or weakness of any given year's class. However once the year starts most of that is forgotten and a player is identified by his years of eligability. So Steve is a RS freshman etc.
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I have never heard of anyone lumping a transfer who is a 4th year junior with sophomores.
This thread is about Archie's recruiting. Two years ago Archie brought in three players, big Steve, DD and Charles Cooke. So Cooke should count as one of three players

I think DD has improved a lot except for three point shooting. Crosby has shown a lot of improvement since the season started.

Big Steve is not getting the ball enough in good situations. But, he has certainly impacted games depending upon matchups.

Teams are packing it in because the team isn't making three pointers. When shots start to fall everything will look different
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Old 02-28-2016, 05:28 PM
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Just what is the point of all this categorizing? Archie recruited all of them.
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Old 02-28-2016, 09:17 PM
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Other Freshmen seasons of note:

Devin Oliver:
1.4ppg, .322 FG%, .158 3PT FG%, .375 FT%

Kendall Pollard:
2.2ppg, .548 FG%, .000 3PT FG%, .326 FT% (15-46)

Scoochie Smith:
3.6ppg, .353 FG%, .274 3PT FG%, .567 FT%

I think you will find Crosby, Miller, Mikesell, and McElvene compared quite competitively. You can decide whether thats an endorsement or an indictment. But the ones that used to have these stats are now starting for us and have gotten significantly better. 10 days ago they were the ones working on a #4 NCAA seed.
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Sorry UDScott, but there is very little basis for your statement about the Freshman.

Freshman class is fine.
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Current Juniors when they were Freshman at this point did not contribute much.

Feb 19th LaSalle
-Schoochie 2 points and 1 assist in 17 minutes
-Kendall 1 minute!
-Kyle 1 minute!

Feb 22nd Dukes
-Schoochie 3 points and 1 assist in 25 minutes
-Kendall 0 points and 3 rebounds in 9 minutes
-Kyle 3 minutes

Feb. 25th St. Joe's
-Scoochie - 4 points and 1 assist in 28 minutes
-Kendall - 3 points in 8 minutes
-Kyle - 5 points in 9 minutes

March 1st UMass
- Schoochie - 0 points and 0 assists in 12 minutes
-Kendall - no stats in 4 minutes
- Kyle DNP

I don't have the patience to keep posting details, but basically from Feb. 19th to March 29th loss to FL, Freshman did very little except for Kendall's game versus Stanford. Box scores above indicative of their contribution the last 12 games of that season.

Writing off Freshman way too early.

Baby D has improved massively on defense, driving to the hoop, and rebounding. His 3 point shooting is off, but he will get it back. Will be really solid junior and senior year.

Crosby has show flashes of brilliance and the normal Freshman why did he just do that. He is where Schoochie was as a Freshman.

Williams has the most upside and staff raves about his work ethic, he will get there.

Sam needs some toughness, but has a great shot and will get there physically if he keeps hitting the weights.

Big Steve, wow, an absolute impact player who has NBA potential (not saying he will be drafted, but he has better offensive moves as a Freshman than most of our big guys have had as seniors).

Mikesell, clearly can contribute and has offensive game, needs to work on d.

But as expected for Freshman playing for a demanding Coach. So far, I am pleasantly surprised by the play of our Freshman.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
Sorry UDScott, but there is very little basis for your statement about the Freshman.

Freshman class is fine.
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Current Juniors when they were Freshman at this point did not contribute much.

Feb 19th LaSalle
-Schoochie 2 points and 1 assist in 17 minutes
-Kendall 1 minute!
-Kyle 1 minute!

Feb 22nd Dukes
-Schoochie 3 points and 1 assist in 25 minutes
-Kendall 0 points and 3 rebounds in 9 minutes
-Kyle 3 minutes

Feb. 25th St. Joe's
-Scoochie - 4 points and 1 assist in 28 minutes
-Kendall - 3 points in 8 minutes
-Kyle - 5 points in 9 minutes

March 1st UMass
- Schoochie - 0 points and 0 assists in 12 minutes
-Kendall - no stats in 4 minutes
- Kyle DNP

I don't have the patience to keep posting details, but basically from Feb. 19th to March 29th loss to FL, Freshman did very little except for Kendall's game versus Stanford. Box scores above indicative of their contribution the last 12 games of that season.

Writing off Freshman way too early.

Baby D has improved massively on defense, driving to the hoop, and rebounding. His 3 point shooting is off, but he will get it back. Will be really solid junior and senior year.

Crosby has show flashes of brilliance and the normal Freshman why did he just do that. He is where Schoochie was as a Freshman.

Williams has the most upside and staff raves about his work ethic, he will get there.

Sam needs some toughness, but has a great shot and will get there physically if he keeps hitting the weights.

Big Steve, wow, an absolute impact player who has NBA potential (not saying he will be drafted, but he has better offensive moves as a Freshman than most of our big guys have had as seniors).

Mikesell, clearly can contribute and has offensive game, needs to work on d.

But as expected for Freshman playing for a demanding Coach. So far, I am pleasantly surprised by the play of our Freshman.
I agree with you that it is too early to judge the frosh. With that being said I also don't think it's a stretch to say not all of them are going to work out, some may transfer and some may just ride the pine throughout. The one that I feel least confident about is X, who you say the staff raves about. To me he is similar to Al Sicard, tons of athleticism bit absolutely ZERO basketball skill, or at least he has not shown any as of yet.
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