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Think it's a coincidence that the WCC has four teams with 10 or more wins after it went to a 16-game league schedule? A model most non power-conferences should follow. Atlantic 10 hasn't been the same since it went to 18 league games.
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I concur with Rothstein. It seems more than obvious that a non-power 5 football conference can substantially control the amount of negative impact it's lower programs have on the other schools by staying with a 16 game conference schedule, and by partnering said lesser included programs against each other, thus substantially minimizing the damage they inflict within the conference.
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Think it's a coincidence that the WCC has four teams with 10 or more wins after it went to a 16-game league schedule? A model most non power-conferences should follow. Atlantic 10 hasn't been the same since it went to 18 league games.
This is ridiculous. The reducing of the the conference scheduling from 18 to 16 games would not necessarily produce more wins. It is the other changes to scheduling that took place that made the difference - like the league having to approved away buy games.

Reducing the number of conference games from 18 to 16 may be good but I think imposing other restrictions on scheduling is more important.

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It's implied thought that each conference member would utilize those two additional non-conference games wisely given their respective circumstances in any particular year.
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I don't see the correlation. What I do see is several A10 teams that can't beat MEAC, Northeast and other lesser conference teams. I also don't see it getting any better given the lack of resources schools like LaSalle, Fordham and others put into their basketball programs. I se a sinking ship...
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Here’s a good example of where it likely would have made a difference

The 14-15 magnificent 7 team went 13-5 in the A10. UD played Duquesne & Fordham H/H, lose 2 of those games & replace them with a quality series & buy game in OOC and they might have avoided the first four
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I agree with the concept of going to 16. I just don't think it would have made much difference this year and won't make much difference for the A10 overall until some of the bottom feeders get better.

I'm just very nervous that the A10 will be an albatross around UD's neck going forward (given changes like NET, 20 game Power 5 conference schedules) and UD not aggressively pursuing other options until it's too late
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It's implied thought that each conference member would utilize those two additional non-conference games wisely given their respective circumstances in any particular year.
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I think there are good reasons for going to a 16 game conference schedule, especially from a UD perspective. I just don't believe going to 16 conference games alone is going to increase the out of conference wins as Rothstein implies. If no other changes are made, the conference will be giving conference teams that have already been making sh!tty scheduling decisions, 2 more out of conference games to make more sh!tty decisions. From an overall conference perspective would we not be better off those teams losing to other conference teams than non-conference teams? With 2 more conference games, is UD going to be able to get 2 more quality H/H series?

I think it is more about controlling the non-conference schedules of teams that have not done a good job at scheduling their non-conference games regardless of whether it is a 16 or 18 game conference schedule.
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Fair enough, good points. And this is not meant as push back, but this year, given the quality of opponents at Bahamas, I'm not sure UD also needed Mississippi State, Auburn, and Tulsa in a year that was perceived as still transistional and growing the cohesiveness of a new staff, etc

Realizing of course that Mississippi State and Auburn were year two of contract; but maybe Flyers really didn't need Tulsa in Connecticut on top of Butler, Virginia, Oklahoma, Mississippi State, and Auburn. Perhaps another win or two would have put UD in a different position moving forward this season.

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but maybe Flyers really didn't need Tulsa in Connecticut on top of Butler, Virginia, Oklahoma, Mississippi State, and Auburn.
If we can't beat the Tulsa's of the world we are not NCAA contenders. This would be a good (not great) win. We have had a good OOC schedule, but this game needed to be a W.
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If you play it, it needs to be a "W'. But if you schedule a different opponent, and play two more (16 game A10 schedule) reasonable non-conference games and win those, then your record is greatly different. I'm playing the perception game here; if you are 11-4, including a Butler win, and your only defeats are to four top-twenty five teams, they perception is different. 8-5 is middling looking, but 11-4 leaves a "solid" impression. If Syracuse is 8-5 they are a projected NCAA tournament team, and a real threat to make a final four; but if Dayton is 8-5, they only get on the national news if a guy makes a between the legs ill-advised dunk, in a game they barely survive to small time Georgia southern.


Like I said, with the high level opponents in the Bahamas, and the Miss. State and Auburn games, UD really didn't need a point-less trip to Connecticut to play Tulsa; and yes 16 game A10 conference schedule would be better, assuming the league will partner the right schools to play each other. But I wouldn't hold my breath on the last part.
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If you play it, it needs to be a "W'. But if you schedule a different opponent, and play two more (16 game A10 schedule) reasonable non-conference games and win those, then your record is greatly different. I'm playing the perception game here; if you are 11-4, including a Butler win, and your only defeats are to four top-twenty five teams, they perception is different. 8-5 is middling looking, but 11-4 leaves a "solid" impression. If Syracuse is 8-5 they are a projected NCAA tournament team, and a real threat to make a final four; but if Dayton is 8-5, they only get on the national news if a guy makes a between the legs ill-advised dunk, in a game they barely survive to small time Georgia southern.


Like I said, with the high level opponents in the Bahamas, and the Miss. State and Auburn games, UD really didn't need a point-less trip to Connecticut to play Tulsa; and yes 16 game A10 conference schedule would be better, assuming the league will partner the right schools to play each other. But I wouldn't hold my breath on the last part.

Tulsa would not have been pointless had we won. They are currently 10-3. However, if we lost to Butler in the first game in the Bahamas and had to play MTS, that Tulsa game would have carried much more importance. You make the schedule before you even know the Atlantis bracket.
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Right, but MTS was the only program down there you didn't want to play. Even if you go to the losers bracket, you still get Stanford, Florida, Oklahoma, or Wisconsin. Plus you have you already know about the second year of both Miss. State and road game at Auburn. Tulsa in Connecticut was an unnecessary risk game, and it shows.
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Right, but MTS was the only program down there you didn't want to play. Even if you go to the losers bracket, you still get Stanford, Florida, Oklahoma, or Wisconsin. Plus you have you already know about the second year of both Miss. State and road game at Auburn. Tulsa in Connecticut was an unnecessary risk game, and it shows.

So what would you have replaced Tulsa with, ANOTHER buy game? We would then have had 18 home games and only 13 road/neutral. Are you trying to give ud2 a heart attack?
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So what would you have replaced Tulsa with, ANOTHER buy game? We would then have had 18 home games and only 13 road/neutral. Are you trying to give ud2 a heart attack?
Agree...as much as I like BTC, I am not sure what BTC is thinking here. We should NEVER be playing less than 14 away/neutral games ever as long as we are still in the A10.

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We needed the Tulsa game. Were were not expecting to get the draw we did at Atlantis. We had MTSU penciled in as at least one opponent. They are 1-10 at the moment. The draw worked out perfectly based on us beating Butler which was not foreseen.

If we're at a point in the program where we are dodging neutral court games in Connecticut against Tulsa, we have more problems than scheduling.
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