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Old 11-25-2018, 02:39 PM
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Sad state of A10

LaSalle is a 7.5pt underdog to Grand Canyon.
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Kind of tired of people publicly wringing their hands about it. The A10 is what it is this year. What are we supposed to do now to change it ?
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We can't control the A10. What we can control is figuring out a way to win the A10.

That is more important than the quality of the conference. Just win the games and screw the rest of them.
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We can't control the A10. What we can control is figuring out a way to win the A10.

That is more important than the quality of the conference. Just win the games and screw the rest of them.
If we continue to play as we did in the Bahamas, we'll do just that. I can't wait to see Davidson and SLU to see how we measure up. I think the A-10 Championship is there for the taking.
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LaSalle is a 7.5pt underdog to Grand Canyon.
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Grand Canyon won 22 games last year. 22 and 27 the prior two years.

LaSalle won 7 games last year and 9 and 4 the prior two years.

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Richmond loses a buy game to Hampton.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeCan View Post
Grand Canyon won 22 games last year. 22 and 27 the prior two years.

LaSalle won 7 games last year and 9 and 4 the prior two years.

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Not sure what point you're trying to make. Prior to all that (2013) LaSalle was in the Sweet 16. It's still Grand Canyon and the A10 "aspires" to be the 5th/6th strongest conference in the country.

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If we continue to play as we did in the Bahamas, we'll do just that. I can't wait to see Davidson and SLU to see how we measure up. I think the A-10 Championship is there for the taking.
I agree that the regular season title is not out of the question if we remain healthy. As far as winning the conference tournament, I gave up the possibility of that several years ago. We just can't seem to win that regardless of how good of a team we have.
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I agree that the regular season title is not out of the question if we remain healthy. As far as winning the conference tournament, I gave up the possibility of that several years ago. We just can't seem to win that regardless of how good of a team we have.
I agree with you that the regular season title is a legitimate possibility this year, if we stay healthy. But I’m not convinced that a conference tournament championship is outside our reach.

BG was never going to be able to bring us a tourney championship, because every other coach in the conference knew his playbook, and knew that he wouldn’t deviate from it, come hell or high water. Archie might have been able to do it, but his best teams (2014-17) were usually undersized, and team chemistry was an issue during his last year and a half. CAG has shown a propensity so far to maintain discipline, but to adjust on court schemes and personnel to fit game situations, and both of those traits (discipline and adaptability) are important for teams that aspire to win conference championships. So, I’m willing to wait and see before I pass judgment on CAG’s ability to bring us an autobid via the A10 Tourney.
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After what we have now seen in the non-con, is there any way anyone can say that we should be lower than #2 in the A-10?
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Old 11-26-2018, 02:42 PM
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We even have a shot at first in the A10, but we must play well on the road and not play down to the level of the likes of LaSalle, Duq, GM and Fordham.
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I disagree, in the A10, I think we see no coaching changes at the end of this year.

Mooney at Richmond just signed a a 1 year contract extension in the summer of 2017, and he is signed through 2021-2022. But, on second thought, I suppose that they could still fire him this year though.

IMO, every other A10 coach is either relatively new or not in danger of being fired this year. Paulsen at GMU is in his 4th year there, most coaches get at least 5 years these days.
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Where the A-10 teams check in:
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#56 VCU
#62 Saint Louis
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#149 Saint Joseph's
#160 URI
#172 UMass
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#263 Richmond
#275 GW
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Let's boot LaSalle and Fordham (or your two favorite basement dwellers) and pick up Vermont and Stony Brook.
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We should give a round of applause for Fordham being 5-1 with a bunch of freshman. Without their 4 D1 wins, the A10 would have a losing record overall against D1 opponents

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Here is what is great about the schedule this year. Beat Miss State and Auburn we are an NCAA team barring a collapse in the Conference. Beat Miss State and Finish Top 2 in Conference we would get consideration as an At large. I think it will come down to winning in Brooklyn but we are in position to make some at large noise. A Tulsa win would also help. Butler win was big...needed that Oklahoma game.
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I said at the beginning of the year that we need at least 2 of the "big" non-con games: Butler, UVA, OK (or whoever), MSU, or Auburn. One down.

I went to the MSU game last year. They looked terrible. I realize that it isn't exactly the same team, but neither are we. I think we are going to win by a comfortable margin if we play at the level that we played in the Bahamas, and I think we will.
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Juan bid...Davidson a 12 seed...

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This week I had the idea to show final KenPom rankings of A10 teams over the past few years in a heatmap. The conference has declined rather steadily in recent years and the chart helps visualize how total the regression is. You can see the top, middle, and bottom segments of the conference getting worse. If you’re only looking at NCAA bids over the same timeframe, the numbers aren’t nearly as alarming. Charting the KenPom ranks of each team in conference paints the picture in a way that tournament bids or overall conference rank do not.

First, the A10. Yikes. Davidson stealing a third bid for the conference papered over a very bad 2018 season that isn’t being discussed enough. The decline is related to a few things – the Butler, Xavier, and Temple departures hurt, but those were six years ago. Traditionally strong programs like Saint Louis, UMass, and George Washington have gone into the tank recently. The conference has seen several strong coaches leave in recent years (Will Wade, Archie Miller, Mike Lonergan) and other unsuccessful ones get replaced. Things came to a head this past season as Dayton, VCU, and St. Joe’s all finished outside the KenPom top 100 for the first time since they’ve all been in the conference. There’s concern that this is the new normal, as this year doesn’t project to be good either. You might find a ray of hope in the fact that there’s not a ton of senior talent across the conference (Otis Livingston, Javon Bess, and Josh Cunningham are the senior stars on what figure to be contenders) so the A10 may have a renaissance in the 2019-2020 season.

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Not totally factual, but as close as you can get to factual proof why we are on a sinking ship, the A10.
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Fordham is 8-3 starting two freshman guards. That's a pleasant surprise
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Fordham is 8-3 starting two freshman guards. That's a pleasant surprise
Yes a nice surprise, but before everyone gets too excited check out Fordhams strength of schedule, currently #342. That means only 11 teams have had it easier. Time will tell!
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Yes a nice surprise, but before everyone gets too excited check out Fordhams strength of schedule, currently #342. That means only 11 teams have had it easier. Time will tell!
No doubt but it's better than them getting hammered against a tough schedule
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No doubt but it's better than them getting hammered against a tough schedule
I'm not sure we know that with NET.
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70 VCU
73 SLU
76 Dayton

103 Rhode Island
110 Davidson
121 St. Joe's
139 Duq
145 UMass
184 Fordham
186 George Mason

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303 GW
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Updated NET:

70 VCU
73 SLU
76 Dayton

103 Rhode Island
110 Davidson
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This week I had the idea to show final KenPom rankings of A10 teams over the past few years in a heatmap. The conference has declined rather steadily in recent years and the chart helps visualize how total the regression is. You can see the top, middle, and bottom segments of the conference getting worse. If you’re only looking at NCAA bids over the same timeframe, the numbers aren’t nearly as alarming. Charting the KenPom ranks of each team in conference paints the picture in a way that tournament bids or overall conference rank do not.

First, the A10. Yikes. Davidson stealing a third bid for the conference papered over a very bad 2018 season that isn’t being discussed enough. The decline is related to a few things – the Butler, Xavier, and Temple departures hurt, but those were six years ago. Traditionally strong programs like Saint Louis, UMass, and George Washington have gone into the tank recently. The conference has seen several strong coaches leave in recent years (Will Wade, Archie Miller, Mike Lonergan) and other unsuccessful ones get replaced. Things came to a head this past season as Dayton, VCU, and St. Joe’s all finished outside the KenPom top 100 for the first time since they’ve all been in the conference. There’s concern that this is the new normal, as this year doesn’t project to be good either. You might find a ray of hope in the fact that there’s not a ton of senior talent across the conference (Otis Livingston, Javon Bess, and Josh Cunningham are the senior stars on what figure to be contenders) so the A10 may have a renaissance in the 2019-2020 season.

https://giantkiller.co/2018/08/13/vi...by-conference/
Great analysis. Data & facts have a way of demonstrating reality. No matter how well the program rebounds over the next few years, the A-10 appears to be in a steady state of decline. (Comment to be rescinded if there is a longer sample going back that demonstrates that). If that is the new reality, then the programs aspirations are the be the best of mediocre league. Hey, at least we have a nice arena.
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The A10 lost coaches to LSU, Texas, Indiana, Louisville, UConn, and Ohio State in recent years. That's a big loss. Those are blue bloods of college basketball.
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Where can you find the NET rankings? Is it updated daily?
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They're just an embarrassment now unlike total embarrassment La Salle
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They're just an embarrassment now unlike total embarrassment La Salle
I am glad we play them in the Arena this year. I'd hate to see another Flyer egg laid in Gola.
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In the least anticipated match up of the year tomorrow

0-10 La Salle vs 0-10 Alabama A & M at Boardwalk Hall in AC.

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In the least anticipated match up of the year tomorrow

0-10 La Salle vs 0-10 Alabama A & M at Boardwalk Hall in AC.

Somehow ESPN says the cheapest tickets are $18
Talk about “The Battle of The Decayed”! That game will make Bengals/Browns look like the AFC Championship.
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So now, there are no more winless teams in the A10. When does the party start?
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Like I said... Dambrot and the Dukes are a massive fraud
Hopefully we don't split the season series like last year
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Duquesne survies in OT against Eastern Kentucky after the Colonels missed the game tying free throw with 2 seconds left
I think EKU is not bad, they full court press the whole game IINM, that's a high-energy, entertaining style of defense.

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Dayton is most definitely on par with A-10 's best. Not next year, but now.
Dayton and Anthony Grant can be evaluated, and hopefully validated largely by this season alone.


Given history, fan support and other aspects independent of coaching acumen, I expect Dayton will be near the top of the A-10 with AG. Yet the metric, is and always will be (for myself) inclusion and wins in the NCAAT.

Brian Gregory has been bashed by many, but he brought Dayton's 1st NCAAT win in two decades, and the NIT Championship to my thinking was at least equivalent to a 1st round NCAAT win.
So, if in his first 7 years AG can win 2 NCAAT games I would be happy that he is at least as 'good' as Brian Gregory. No, that's not a UD standard to jump up and down for, but I think it is realistic.

Anything more than 2 NCAAT wins in his first 7 years, would make me happy. If I bet the proposition at 2 wins or more, I would bet not, but I think it is a close call.
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75. VCU
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99. Rhode Island
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Dayton is most definitely on par with A-10 's best. Not next year, but now.
Dayton and Anthony Grant can be evaluated, and hopefully validated largely by this season alone.


Given history, fan support and other aspects independent of coaching acumen, I expect Dayton will be near the top of the A-10 with AG. Yet the metric, is and always will be (for myself) inclusion and wins in the NCAAT.

Brian Gregory has been bashed by many, but he brought Dayton's 1st NCAAT win in two decades, and the NIT Championship to my thinking was at least equivalent to a 1st round NCAAT win.
So, if in his first 7 years AG can win 2 NCAAT games I would be happy that he is at least as 'good' as Brian Gregory. No, that's not a UD standard to jump up and down for, but I think it is realistic.

Anything more than 2 NCAAT wins in his first 7 years, would make me happy. If I bet the proposition at 2 wins or more, I would bet not, but I think it is a close call.
100% disagree. I don’t even remember who we played in the nit that year but I remember watching chris Wright dunk it on a fast break against Wvu.

Also, if 2 wins in 7 years is our bench mark then the A10 is where we belong
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2 wins in 7 years is unacceptable.
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100% disagree. I don’t even remember who we played in the nit that year but I remember watching chris Wright dunk it on a fast break against Wvu.

Also, if 2 wins in 7 years is our bench mark then the A10 is where we belong
Does North Carolins ring a bell?
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Does North Carolins ring a bell?
And at Cinconnati, and at Illinois, along with Ole Miss and UNC.
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That NIT Championship was a real trip. Unfortunately too many fans were pouting that we were not in the NCAA's and missed it.

One of those every half century is ok. We got to beat teams that would not otherwise schedule us and the feeling was a distant second to beating tOSU and Syracuse. But nevertheless got us some love.
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In NCAA 1967 semis Don May shot lights out and outplayed NC's Larry Miller. Because we were an independent, that year we played Louisville, Chicago Loyola, Marquette, Xavier, Cincinnati, DePaul, Miami (Ohio & Florida), Memphis and others. The campus exploded the night we beat Tennessee in the tournament. It was interesting going back over our schedules back them.

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Also, if 2 wins in 7 years is our bench mark then the A10 is where we belong
Bingo. I wonder if X had that expectation prior to setting off into the sunset?

UD should expect and demand as a program to get to the second weekend of the NCAAt at least once in 7 and the second round more often than not.

If you want to be the man you got to beat the man. Xavier in the last 20 years:

6 NCAA first round
6 NCAA 2nd round
5 Sweet 16
3 E8's

Let that sink in when deciding on what future outcomes should and need to be.
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Former All Rookie team guard Mike Lewis is transferring out of Duquense. Double digit scorer his first two years but took a back seat this season
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Mike Lewis is transferring from Duquesne to Nevada

St Louis just lost freshman forward Cart’Are Gordon who was the highest rated recruit in the A10 to transfer. Former 4 star who was a top 50 recruit when he committed
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Sagarin

Right now Sagarin has the A-10 ranked tenth, one spot below last year (ninth) and two spots below the average for the last five years (eighth). Once conference play starts those rankings are pretty much locked in.

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