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Old 12-29-2018, 10:58 PM
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He is sooooo lost out there, AG can say what he wants but Iíll be shocked if he sees anymore time, thatís 2 straight games he has played 2 mins and AG yanked him so fast
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He is sooooo lost out there, AG can say what he wants but Iíll be shocked if he sees anymore time, thatís 2 straight games he has played 2 mins and AG yanked him so fast
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This post doesn't even deserve a response other than this: Go back in the basement and play your video games. Mommy will wake you up and make you breakfast tomorrow and tell you what a good boy you are.

Anyone who actually responds to this post by trying to reason with him is foolish.
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Old 12-30-2018, 12:44 AM
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But what if he’s right? there was a reason he was redshirting.
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Frank was redshirting until Matos was hurt. Good grief. Some times, you are forced to do things you don’t want to do.

If Matos was healthy, this thread would not exist.

There is a lot to more to worry about and be excited about than Frank going into A10 play.
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Frankie played good defense today in the zone. For example,
rotated well to right block for help defense and then all the way to left wing with good close out chopping his steps. I saw a major defensive improvement in the game today.
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Frankie was not the problem in the Georgia Southern game. The problems in the game were far bigger than Frankie...things like:

1. Very poor ball security on the part of the entire team, including our point guards.

2. Horrible, lazy, lackadaisical passing. This is perhaps the worst passing team I have ever witnessed as a Flyer fan.

3. Complete inability to stop dribble penetration, thus opening up defense-free cuts to the bucket and three point kick-outs.

4. Inability to rotate on defense, leaving wide open lanes and easy back-cuts to the bucket.

Coach Grant must solve these problems for conference play or we are going to find ourselves at the bottom of the heap, getting beaten by inferior programs with inferior players in front of 500 fans in East Coast gymnasiums.
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Frankie may not be the problem but the fact that Frankie only played 2 min is a problem. I think lack of depth is a major factor in some of the issues with the 2nd half Flyers performances. This is not the Magnificent 7. Two of the 7 this year are freshman. I don't blame fatigue for the poor 3 pt shooting. I just think they are poor shooters.
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But what if heís right? there was a reason he was redshirting.
Even if UDScott were right, he is still a tool. Look, there was an active thread regarding Frankie he could have added his thoughts to at any time. Nope, his only purpose in life is to come on UD Pride and try to stir the pot which is why he started a new thread.

I grow tired of keyboard warriors who would never say to someone's face what they type on a message board on a Saturday night.
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Ignore is a wonderful feature. The only time I might see a post from this troll or madpuppy is when someone quotes them. However I did visit to see the reaction to a post, although unseen, I knew would be another ball buster.
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Old 12-30-2018, 11:18 AM
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Frankie has led a sheltered life of round ball. I think he made his mark in HS in weak leagues. So his adjustment to D1 is going to take a little longer and we don't have that luxury right now. He has shown good instincts, but he has not caught up to the speed of the game, and probably won't this season. If he can earn some minutes this year he will be light years better as a Soph.

As far as passing and ball handling, it could have been better of course. But when you have 27 assists and only 14 turnovers that's not too shabby. Only 5 turnovers the second half, and only 7 turnovers in the last 30 minutes after we woke up from our slumber. Five starters had 4 or more assists.

You can't have 58 points in the paint and not be passing pretty good most of the time.
Maybe we should go back and review the Kurt Huelsman days when we agonized daily how we could get the ball to him without a turnover. And when we finally did, when was he going to learn to finish with it.

Now let's talk about defense. On second thought, let's not.
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In Grant we trust, at least most of us. Seems a big problem with Frankie is his getting used to the speed of college basketball. You get used to the speed by playing. One or Two minutes a game will not do it. Yesterday, with a super quick team, was not to be his opportunity, but I am still scratching my head about why he did not play about 5-10 minutes last game. However, in Grant I trust.
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I think all of us are right, and touching on it... compared to last year for Frankie, its being comfortable, relax and get used to the speed of college basketball... Coach Grant is taking him along at selected opportunities, and more will come... its good that he is practicing against pretty good players... I agree, 5-10 minutes during some games will make a huge difference for next season..

NOW THEN

to just blatantly initiate a thread picking out a freshman, I won't even comment..

the best part about freshmen, is what? what did Al McGuire say? the best part is, they become sophomores...
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I think we all agree AG was 100% correct in wanting to redshirt Frankie. Unfortunately that plan got dumped. I believe Jhery would have been a great defensive stopper off the bench for us by now if he hadnít gotten hurt. I will be very happy if The staff can get Frankie up to 5-6 minutes of solid defense each game before the end of the year. We all know the limitations. Find a way to get Frankie to a level that contributes by giving 5-6 minutes of rest for someone by the end of the year. This team needs that and Frankie is next man up. If he can get there it will be a great contribution this year.
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I think we all agree AG was 100% correct in wanting to redshirt Frankie. Unfortunately that plan got dumped. I believe Jhery would have been a great defensive stopper off the bench for us by now if he hadnít gotten hurt. I will be very happy if The staff can get Frankie up to 5-6 minutes of solid defense each game before the end of the year. We all know the limitations. Find a way to get Frankie to a level that contributes by giving 5-6 minutes of rest for someone by the end of the year. This team needs that and Frankie is next man up. If he can get there it will be a great contribution this year.
Spot on. 3-4 min / half.
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He is sooooo lost out there, AG can say what he wants but I’ll be shocked if he sees anymore time, that’s 2 straight games he has played 2 mins and AG yanked him so fast
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I know pregame warmup not same as in game, but just wanted to mention that I watched Frankie make 8 of 9 3s in warmups when I focused on him. If he can get used to speed of game and be able to play relaxed, we may have a nice weapon to use
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Frankie has led a sheltered life of round ball. I think he made his mark in HS in weak leagues. So his adjustment to D1 is going to take a little longer and we don't have that luxury right now. He has shown good instincts, but he has not caught up to the speed of the game, and probably won't this season. If he can earn some minutes this year he will be light years better as a Soph.
He's not going to get up to speed if he isn't in there long enough to break a sweat. IMO, the best thing AM did for Wherli was to feed him to the wolves after the two were kicked off the team. He played 21, 17, 17, 19, and then 23 in that 5th game vs St. Bonaventure where he had his coming out party and earned that scholarship. Frankie on the other hand has only played 29 minutes in his first 7 games.

I just don't think we have the luxury of not getting Frankie up to speed by whatever measure it takes. We're going to need him in A10 play.
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Even if UDScott were right, he is still a tool. Look, there was an active thread regarding Frankie he could have added his thoughts to at any time. Nope, his only purpose in life is to come on UD Pride and try to stir the pot which is why he started a new thread.

I grow tired of keyboard warriors who would never say to someone's face what they type on a message board on a Saturday night.
Just like u now typing behind a keyboard right ? Just because someone is providing facts that are correct and negative, whatís wrong with that ? He might turn out to be great Iím just saying his play is exactly why he is only playing 2 mins and AG yanks his ass and sits on the pine the rest of the game
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Frankie played good defense today in the zone. For example,
rotated well to right block for help defense and then all the way to left wing with good close out chopping his steps. I saw a major defensive improvement in the game today.
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U r crazy, he had two defensive lapses, looked like a deer in headlights on defensive switches, then charged at the other end and AG sent him to the pine
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found a New York talk show audio on You Tube... 1 on 1 podcast with Dan Tortaro.. the guest was Frankie, just after he announced would attend the University of Dayton.. the interview was pretty good, about a half hour with Frankie... he has known Obi for going on 3 years now, they both played on the same AAU team..

he is from new York, there are many games on the schedule within driving distance for his parents.. He liked the UD Arena, the college, the people... seems like a nice kid we have..

the announcer is a UD fan, and has been to the UD arena when it was sold out, he told FRankie the fans are super crazy... the staff showed him video of past games...

here is the link hope it works... no video, audio only but interesting,,, about a half hour interview...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyOyA0Ywg8Q
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I see a handful of people trashing Frankie, and quite a few people who are sticking up for him. Count me in the latter camp.

Itís obvious at this point that Frankie would have benefited from the redshirt year, but with Jheryís injury that plan had to be scrapped. In what little game time heís getting, Iím seeing the kid making incremental progress. In Saturdayís game, I thought he played pretty good D for a freshman with as little court time as heís had. And the baseline move that got him under the basket was pretty good, until he gave the defender an arm bar.

I believe, in the long run, heíll be able to contribute to the program in a positive way, and for historical perspective to support this belief, I submit 2 names: Chris Daniels and Anthony Grant, the player. For 3 seasons, it looked like CD was going to be no better than a guy who could eat minutes at the 5, but in his Senior year, he blossomed into possibly the 2nd best post player in the A10 (behind Marcus Camby) before the heart condition took him from us way too soon (R.I.P., #33 <3). Moving on to Grant, since the guy ahead of him on the depth chart was Roosevelt Chapman, AG didnít see a lot of action as a freshman. And, in what little time he did see, he gave no indication that he could develop into a 3-year starter. But yet, thatís exactly what happened.

Give Frankie some time. I believe heíll work out just fine.
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Can you imagine if our careers were followed by fans and message boards? I can just see the UDScotts of the world commenting on my Freshman year. "Can you believe we are going to have this guy for an internship next summer. My god he is drinking every night, missing class, and trying to meet women that are way out of his league. He even looks like he might be starting to show signs of male pattern baldness."

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I think Frankie has promise, but is being forced in earlier than he should because of the numbers. Does he possibly get redshirted next year? We only lose Cunningham to graduation and Watson, Chatman, and Tshimanga will all be eligible after their transfer year. Not to mention that while Sissoko will only be a freshman, he has a more college ready body than Frankie does now and would get minutes down low whereas Frankie may have to compete for minutes on a very crowded wing.

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Looks like he could be the 12th man next year, and rotation or not, the 12th man doesn't get a lot of PT.
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I see a handful of people trashing Frankie, and quite a few people who are sticking up for him. Count me in the latter camp.

Itís obvious at this point that Frankie would have benefited from the redshirt year, but with Jheryís injury that plan had to be scrapped. In what little game time heís getting, Iím seeing the kid making incremental progress. In Saturdayís game, I thought he played pretty good D for a freshman with as little court time as heís had. And the baseline move that got him under the basket was pretty good, until he gave the defender an arm bar.

I believe, in the long run, heíll be able to contribute to the program in a positive way, and for historical perspective to support this belief, I submit 2 names: Chris Daniels and Anthony Grant, the player. For 3 seasons, it looked like CD was going to be no better than a guy who could eat minutes at the 5, but in his Senior year, he blossomed into possibly the 2nd best post player in the A10 (behind Marcus Camby) before the heart condition took him from us way too soon (R.I.P., #33 <3). Moving on to Grant, since the guy ahead of him on the depth chart was Roosevelt Chapman, AG didnít see a lot of action as a freshman. And, in what little time he did see, he gave no indication that he could develop into a 3-year starter. But yet, thatís exactly what happened.

Give Frankie some time. I believe heíll work out just fine.
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Thumbs up I really like Frankie, but he is not Matos.

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He's not going to get up to speed if he isn't in there long enough to break a sweat. IMO, the best thing AM did for Wherli was to feed him to the wolves after the two were kicked off the team. He played 21, 17, 17, 19, and then 23 in that 5th game vs St. Bonaventure where he had his coming out party and earned that scholarship. Frankie on the other hand has only played 29 minutes in his first 7 games.

I just don't think we have the luxury of not getting Frankie up to speed by whatever measure it takes. We're going to need him in A10 play.
You make some very good points. But I'm guessing the Staff gets all the input they need about Frankie in practice to make an intelligent decision about his playing time. He is playing against some pretty good talent while on the scout team. He gets that either way, whether he is on the active roster or not.

Today, if Frankie played an average of 17 minutes I could imagine him possibly single-handedly costing us a game or two. Coach is not in a position to endure that. It's a little like Kostas without the upside. You won't get extended minutes from either because they would foul out and cost you a game in the process.

My point is, AG and the staff see him against great competition every day, and they have to balance the pros and cons, which is what we are seeing.
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He's not going to get up to speed if he isn't in there long enough to break a sweat. IMO, the best thing AM did for Wherli was to feed him to the wolves after the two were kicked off the team. He played 21, 17, 17, 19, and then 23 in that 5th game vs St. Bonaventure where he had his coming out party and earned that scholarship. Frankie on the other hand has only played 29 minutes in his first 7 games.

I just don't think we have the luxury of not getting Frankie up to speed by whatever measure it takes. We're going to need him in A10 play.
Agree. Only 3 min per half. Thatís what is needed.
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You make some very good points. But I'm guessing the Staff gets all the input they need about Frankie in practice to make an intelligent decision about his playing time. He is playing against some pretty good talent while on the scout team. He gets that either way, whether he is on the active roster or not.

Today, if Frankie played an average of 17 minutes I could imagine him possibly single-handedly costing us a game or two. Coach is not in a position to endure that. It's a little like Kostas without the upside. You won't get extended minutes from either because they would foul out and cost you a game in the process.

My point is, AG and the staff see him against great competition every day, and they have to balance the pros and cons, which is what we are seeing.
Refreshing to see a well thought out post.

No way the kid can contribute at 17 min. But a minute before a timeout here and there will help the main seven. The point is, using him as part of a strategy to help the starters get a breather, is far better than waiting until foul trouble, illness, or injury, to plug him in. Since the decision to go with eight scholarship players was made and now there are only seven, the staff has figure out the most effective way to use all seven. Essentially saying weíre going with six and only one of them a senior, doesnít point to a top three league finish.
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Since the decision to go with eight scholarship players was made and now there are only seven, the staff has figure out the most effective way to use all seven. Essentially saying weíre going with six and only one of them a senior, doesnít point to a top three league finish.

I think you're one player short. We had nine scholarship players but Frankie was going to redshirt, giving us eight. When Matos got hurt the decision was made to play Frankie, giving us eight again, not seven. So by playing Frankie so little we're essentially going with seven, not six.
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I think you're one player short. We had nine scholarship players but Frankie was going to redshirt, giving us eight. When Matos got hurt the decision was made to play Frankie, giving us eight again, not seven. So by playing Frankie so little we're essentially going with seven, not six.
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He is sooooo lost out there, AG can say what he wants but Iíll be shocked if he sees anymore time, thatís 2 straight games he has played 2 mins and AG yanked him so fast
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Are you saying heís inaccurate??? Anyone whoís seen him play has to be sorely disappointed that he is no way ready to contribute at this level. Iím not saying he needs to transfer yet, but Iíd keep Crosbyís number handy.
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Are you saying heís inaccurate??? Anyone whoís seen him play has to be sorely disappointed that he is no way ready to contribute at this level. Iím not saying he needs to transfer yet, but Iíd keep Crosbyís number handy.
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Are you saying heís inaccurate??? Anyone whoís seen him play has to be sorely disappointed that he is no way ready to contribute at this level. Iím not saying he needs to transfer yet, but Iíd keep Crosbyís number handy.
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Are you saying heís inaccurate??? Anyone whoís seen him play has to be sorely disappointed that he is no way ready to contribute at this level. Iím not saying he needs to transfer yet, but Iíd keep Crosbyís number handy.
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but, you "stink up the joint" in these threads and this site, in your own special Flinstonian annoying way....

you pick out freshman and players who are under performing year after year, we can just cut and paste some of your comments year after year..... there will be a player each year that may be slow to develop.. we all have eyes (some better than others lol at me), and dont need you to initiate a rude thread about a freshman who has not caught up to the speed of the game...

you do make points, but they are in a hateful way...

So, I am assigning you a goal... when Frankie has a good game and does not "stink the joint up", initiate a thread about that... that could even be your new year's resolution...
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You mean the John Crosby you said was not a D1 player, and transferred to another D1 school?
Yes he went big time. Couldnít even remotely cut it on a struggling A10 squad and now sits out a year waiting to light it up at del state, currently 3-10 with two of their wins against d3 schools. He was the poster child of a failed recruiting class. I called him what he was early, incompetent , laughable. We wonít get better unless we cull the weak.
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do you even realize how bad you are looking here?

John Crosby is closer to home, now in the MEAC conference I think? believe so... this is closer to home for him... he always tried his best on the court, why not wish him well?

its not like he got drunk and got involved in a fight in a cell.... its not like he didnt stop trying and cracked jokes on the bench when the team is getting beat by over 20 points...its not like he left practice early because of a sore throat....

in limited time, did he not shoot 46 percent from 3 point range one season? did he not contribute to some wins for us, winning a couple of Rollo's player of the game awards? I believe so, if memory serves me... that is NOT total incompetance, that is NOT laughable..he may do well at Delaware St... why look down on him...

why are you checking Deleware State's record? does that somehow make you look good, in your eyes;....
there were others who shall not be named, who were laughable, unwilling to even try COach Grant's way... but why go down this road at all.. all in the past, and John Crosby left on good terms.....best of luck to him...

actually, best of luck to all those who left... I hope they all can find what it is they are looking for.. I do not wish ill on any of them, or mock them... the one pointing a finger has four pointing right back at him/her
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but, you "stink up the joint" in these threads and this site, in your own special Flinstonian annoying way....

you pick out freshman and players who are under performing year after year, we can just cut and paste some of your comments year after year..... there will be a player each year that may be slow to develop.. we all have eyes (some better than others lol at me), and dont need you to initiate a rude thread about a freshman who has not caught up to the speed of the game...

you do make points, but they are in a hateful way...

So, I am assigning you a goal... when Frankie has a good game and does not "stink the joint up", initiate a thread about that... that could even be your new year's resolution...
So let me get this straight weíre not allowed to criticize poor performance cause he is a freshman ? And we can only make a post when he does good ? Thatís what u just said
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tell me, just what purpose do your criticisms serve? Especially of players who have left the program.
We are all Flyer fans, and I think it best to cherish the good times; and NOT just simply wallow in the bad via harsh negativity.
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So let me get this straight weíre not allowed to criticize poor performance cause he is a freshman ? And we can only make a post when he does good ? Thatís what u just said
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no, I didnt just say that, dont put words in my mouth.....

((we're not allowed to criticize poor performance cause he is a freshman?)) bam. I just got you... with that question, you are admitting his performance is due in large part, mostly because he is a freshman.... by your very question, you are acknowledging what all of us are saying...

I never said you won't stop being annoying, obnoxious or rude...
You chose, you decided to initiate a thread on a freshman player before conference games have even begun... a freshman who was going to redshirt...

I gave you an assignment..
when this same freshman stops "stinking up the joint", and has a good game, you are to initiate a positive thread... its not that difficult, it will take less time than you took most likely, to say something ugly..

you can bemoan it, you can try to run away from it... in the end you will fail, and it will follow you...that is your assignment
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Well, maybe 3 or 4...
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Nothing wrong with criticism, but what you said is not mere critism. Calling a DI basketball player laughable and incompetent is mean and factually wrong.
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Nothing wrong with criticism, but what you said is not mere critism. Calling a DI basketball player laughable and incompetent is mean and factually wrong.
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He is sooooo lost out there, AG can say what he wants but Iíll be shocked if he sees anymore time, thatís 2 straight games he has played 2 mins and AG yanked him so fast
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I'm not sure why this original post by udscott has drawn so much criticism. To me it is pretty factual. I wasn't aware that we can't criticize players on this board anymore, even if they are freshmen.
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Yes he went big time. Couldnít even remotely cut it on a struggling A10 squad and now sits out a year waiting to light it up at del state, currently 3-10 with two of their wins against d3 schools. He was the poster child of a failed recruiting class. I called him what he was early, incompetent , laughable. We wonít get better unless we cull the weak.
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I'm not sure why this original post by udscott has drawn so much criticism. To me it is pretty factual. I wasn't aware that we can't criticize players on this board anymore, even if they are freshmen.
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I'm not sure why this original post by udscott has drawn so much criticism. To me it is pretty factual. I wasn't aware that we can't criticize players on this board anymore, even if they are freshmen.
maybe, because there is never anything positive.... and maybe, as he posts more on his thread he gets more obnoxious:

((all I'm saying is he has stunk up the joint)) his words, why did you not quote that?? even if factually correct, it was stated in a rude, juvenile way....

there is not a problem criticizing players, no one said there was.... stop putting words in our mouths, please...

I'm saying, by his own words, he let himself slip.. and he totally understands why Frankie has not gotten used to the pace of this game.... he gets it... but he needs to stay in character possibly...

a real UD fan, IMO, will compliment someone, or at least mention that Flyer who is showing improvement, especially after initiating a thread and singling them out...

and so, he has an assignment: to initiate a thread when Frankie shows improvement and does good... when is that? I'll let him be the judge of that...

of course, he does not have to do anything at all... that would be staying in character, wouldn't it?
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Yes there is quit lying, every time someone on here rips a player on here people get bent out of shape, see u even admitted in your post I was right his play has been very disappointing so far but if and when he does I will let you know
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maybe, because there is never anything positive.... and maybe, as he posts more on his thread he gets more obnoxious:

((all I'm saying is he has stunk up the joint)) his words, why did you not quote that?? even if factually correct, it was stated in a rude, juvenile way....

there is not a problem criticizing players, no one said there was.... stop putting words in our mouths, please...

I'm saying, by his own words, he let himself slip.. and he totally understands why Frankie has not gotten used to the pace of this game.... he gets it... but he needs to stay in character possibly...

a real UD fan, IMO, will compliment someone, or at least mention that Flyer who is showing improvement, especially after initiating a thread and singling them out...

and so, he has an assignment: to initiate a thread when Frankie shows improvement and does good... when is that? I'll let him be the judge of that...

of course, he does not have to do anything at all... that would be staying in character, wouldn't it?
Please tell me where you have seen improvement? All udscott said was he is getting 2 minutes a game and looks lost. Everyone blew this up after that. But I guess we have to say nice things and give everyone a trophy on here just because they are getting a free $200k education and extra perks
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Originally Posted by udscott View Post
Yes there is quit lying, every time someone on here rips a player on here people get bent out of shape, see u even admitted in your post I was right his play has been very disappointing so far but if and when he does I will let you know
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thank you , that's all I want, that will take less effort than it took you to write that he stinks the joint up.... if you do that, I will thank you in a message... that is all I am asking....

if we initiate a public thread on a freshman slow to pickup the college game, we should likewise initiate a public thread when they display they are getting it...and it will be your call, when you feel you see it just mention it..a UD fan would want to do that IMO...

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udscott - you are a troll. Actually you are the "poster child" for a cyber troll.

Let's face it ... you get bored with the hum-drum posts and you decide that you need a cheap thrill and spirited discussion so you start the ball rolling with a highly controversial post (usually littered with grammatical errors) that you are sure will get that snowball rolling down the mountain.

The problem is that your highly derogatory posts offend a lot of people ... and you don't care. In fact, you are hoping that it offends someone because of your own thrill. Understand that it gives the unhappy reader no thrill, just a knot in their stomach.

udscott - you are a troll. You don't have to stop posting, just don't drink and type.

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udscott - you are a troll. Actually you are the "poster child" for a cyber troll.

Let's face it ... you get bored with the hum-drum posts and you decide that you need a cheap thrill and spirited discussion so you start the ball rolling with a highly controversial post (usually littered with grammatical errors) that you are sure will get that snowball rolling down the mountain.

The problem is that your highly derogatory posts offend a lot of people ... and you don't care. In fact, you are hoping that it offends someone because of your own thrill. Understand that it gives the unhappy reader no thrill, just a knot in their stomach.

udscott - you are a troll. You don't have to stop posting, just don't drink and type.

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I get your point with udscott most of the time but I'm failing to see how this original post by him in this thread was construed as a controversial post. Thankfully these unwritten rules about criticizing freshmen weren't in existence when XW was a frosh because I may have been banned from the board. I said much worse than this back then.
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I would like to analyze how similar people's negative posts about Frankie this year are to their posts about Trey Landers two years.
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I like udscott and UDPride needs him and his point of view.

I'm not saying I agree with him, although sometimes he's 100% right.
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I don't have an issue with pointing out that Frank is struggling big time. I don't think that is what has so many bothered on this thread.

The uproar is from a poster who can post only flaming negative posts. It is the exact opposite of Red Blue glasses and then some. Go back and try to find if the poster has ever made positive comments about the team. Does not have to be all positive or even 50%, but after a game in which Obi makes a dunk that highlight Dayton all over college basketball and the sports social media, the only comment is the struggling freshman who should have been redshirted? Really?

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I think that there have been some great points made in this thread ... udscott included. Especially the point about how so many other posts have been much crueler. Valid points.

Here's my rub ... these type of shots (especially starting a new post on a Freshman who has played about 1 min average per game) are mean spirited.

These are public forums and everyone (fans, athletes, parents of athletes, Flyer-haters, etc.) reads them. After all the're free. If we are talking about pro players ... I say mean is fun! There are no rules.

I am convinced that John Crosby's confidence was severely damaged due to the meanest posts I've ever read. I was embarrassed by our cruel spirited posts...including mine. I could never understand that the coach and players said that in practice he was outstanding and in the Arena he suffered (except on defense). I think that speaks volumes.

I think that we need to ensure that we don't start another Crosby avalanche. Nip it in the bud and try to encourage our freshman. The discussion doesn't have to be candy coated ... just factual. Let's not purposely try to embarrass our UD players.
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I am convinced that John Crosby's confidence was severely damaged due to the meanest posts I've ever read. I was embarrassed by our cruel spirited posts...including mine. I could never understand that the coach and players said that in practice he was outstanding and in the Arena he suffered (except on defense). I think that speaks volumes.
Last year, I heard a story about Crosby that in a practice, running 5 on 0 drills (5 players on offense, with no defense), he committed 4 turnovers.

I understand these are young kids, but if they are having their confidence that severely affected by a couple of faceless people on a message board, maybe they don't have the mental toughness that's needed to succeed. I would rather have udscott say things about me here than have a rabid student section heckle me from a few feet away, or have a hostile arena boo me.

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If Devin Oliver survived 3 1/2 years of being BBQ'd around here, anyone can.

FWIW, these 'young kids' are actually adults. Based on my reffing career, it's safe to say they've heard worse from their parents...a lot worse.
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I like udscott and UDPride needs him and his point of view.

I'm not saying I agree with him, although sometimes he's 100% right.
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Based on my reffing career, it's safe to say they've heard worse from their parents...a lot worse.
Which isn't acceptable either.
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Which isn't acceptable either.
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The Queen thinks I should write a book with nothing but eye-opening and butt-puckering quotes from fans, parents, grandparents and coaches. And I would, except it would dwarf War and Peace.
Let me know if you need help...be happy to write the forward for it. After spending 10 years (each) both in the stands and on the bench for AAU basketball and club volleyball, I'm sure our notable quotes from the mouths of parents...and friends...and strangers...and (gasp) coaches would be pretty similar. Glad those days are over...too bad nothing's changed.
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Let me know if you need help...be happy to write the forward for it. After spending 10 years (each) both in the stands and on the bench for AAU basketball and club volleyball, I'm sure our notable quotes from the mouths of parents...and friends...and strangers...and (gasp) coaches would be pretty similar. Glad those days are over...too bad nothing's changed.
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High Five to UD Scott!

I'm undergoing major eye surgery in a week, hopefully will get more of my vision back since my eye stroke...gosh, I hope so, it has been tough...

so have to go by what I hear on the radio, but our defense it seems was very good...) on to GW!
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer View Post
Good luck with the surgery.
oh my gosh, thanks! it takes awhile for me to write out a oost, I have the Windows magnifyer set on 5x normal.... this is supposed to help....

I'm thinking of checking out those lamp style magnifying lenses too, with the bendable necks.. that could help also... thanks again! will be on the 14th
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Have you tried the speech apps that read the screen?
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:52 PM
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Have you tried the speech apps that read the screen?
yeah, I think when I get my IRS refund check, will get one and see how it goes...)
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:07 PM
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I get your point with udscott most of the time but I'm failing to see how this original post by him in this thread was construed as a controversial post. Thankfully these unwritten rules about criticizing freshmen weren't in existence when XW was a frosh because I may have been banned from the board. I said much worse than this back then.
My issue with the entire string is that there was already a string devoted to Frankie's challenges to date. Instead of just putting his opinion in that thread he had to start a new one. Why? Because he always wants to stir the pot. He is certainly entitled to his own opinion and he is not necessarily wrong in this case but I, and I'm sure many others on here, grow tired of his schtik.
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:25 PM
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The entire premise of this thread is nonsensical. The staff wanted Frankie to red shirt. The only reason he's even eligible right now is because we were down to 7 scholarship players without him. Expecting anything other than hard work and spirit from him is delusional.
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Old 01-06-2019, 08:35 PM
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UD Scott did give Frankie props for canning his only 3 point attempt... every other players on the Flyers team seemed to have had a very hard time finding the basket from 3 point range.... just being fair....
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