Golden DNutz - St. Louis is HORRIBLE

[rollo]

I'm speechless...seriously...can Wright State please replace St. Louis in the A10! That was the worst coached team I've seen since...since...since I became King! Jim O'Brien, fear not! You aren't the worst coach to ever lead a team into UD Arena.

With that said, let's vote on the Golden DNutz Playah of the Game.

And hope we never have to suffer thru another game like that ever again.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Who is this guy wearing #25 who finally showed up tonight?

I am guessing the King of Rollowood is so excited by #25's performance, that he won't even need to use a blue pill for his performance.

[jack72]

You shouldn't have put the Crews vote in there. It may have been a threat to Pierre's shutout.

[Smitty10]

I thought you liked Pollard, yet you stuck Crews in there to keep him from getting a shutout?

Also, seems to me that Big Steve should've been the only name other than KP's on the list(and still he should get zero votes).

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by jack72 You shouldn't have put the Crews vote in there. It may have been a threat to Pierre's shutout.

Didn't you mean Pollard? Have to laugh because I originally put Pierre's name in my post.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Didn't you mean Pollard? Have to laugh because I originally put Pierre's name in my post.

Yes, but I meant Pierre's shutout last week.

[rollo]

I had to include Crews to fend off the jock sniffers who no doubt would have demanded his inclusion hoping - and failing - to offend their King and Lord...

[66flyer]

KP, without a doubt. With Cooke shut down the whole first half, he had to step it up. They can't shut out CC, hamper DP AND stop KP all at once. That's what I love about this team--they cover for each other when necessary.
Towards the end of the game. the Cassano's Sub of the Game went to Steve--I agree!
I was a bit nervous in the first half, but had confidence Archie would have them make necessary adjustments.

[Angry John]

I voted Crews. I remember him running up the score a couple of times at Evansville, especially one game with Scott Haffner who went for 60 something. Of course we remember the Chris Mack incident. Man , that was a bad SLU team. Hard to believe their program has fell apart so quickly.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[DallasFlyer]

Pollard was very good, and could be an important game to get him going. But I came on here to vote Big Steve. Shocked to not see him as a choice. Thought it would be a close vote. Steve absolutely shut down the lane. Blocked 6 shots but totally affected a dozen more (including those not taken).

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Pollard was very good, and could be an important game to get him going. But I came on here to vote Big Steve. Shocked to not see him as a choice. Thought it would be a close vote. Steve absolutely shut down the lane. Blocked 6 shots but totally affected a dozen more (including those not taken).

I wouldn't expect it to be close, but I agree as mentioned in my earlier thread that he should've been the only other name on the list with KP. His 6 blocks tied a team record held only by George Morrison, Chris Wright, Erv Giddings and Sean Finn. His is the only one accomplished in his first season.

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[longtimefan67]

Originally Posted by Angry John I voted Crews. I remember him running up the score a couple of times at Evansville, especially one game with Scott Haffner who went for 60 something. Of course we remember the Chris Mack incident. Man , that was a bad SLU team. Hard to believe their program has fell apart so quickly.

65 points by Haffner I believe (from what I remember reading in the DDN); I didn't have the final total that day because I was listening to the game and I clearly remember Bucky saying something like "Haffner just passed 60" when I threw my transistor radio shattering it into pieces. Of course my wife thought I was acting like a big baby (back then); over the years she's understood the life of a Flyer fan and is the bigger person and just walks away from me - of course there's always the fear my kids will record my behavior and upload it to youtube before any bad game is over nowadays. And I'd never consider throwing my radio now, as my radio is the "Tune-in" app on my $700 iPhone...

[Beatty Town Coach]

I meanmeant to vote for Pollard; but I think accidentally hit the button next to Pierre. On loan from Dyshawn, my Royal vote goes to Pollard; but several of Pollard's points came via assist from Dyshawn....just saying.

[NJFlyr71]

KP you da MAN!

Taken it to the hole!

[rollo]

Big Steve was intimidating, but to earn the Golden DNutz you must also be effective. He was the 5th option on offense and quite honestly looked lost on offense most of the game.

However, being a benevolent King, I will take blocked shots and intimidation into consideration for future Golden DNutz awards...but must warn that in order to be fair, that also means the lack of intimidation and blocked shots now become factors for the dreaded Golden Rollos!

Such is life in the Royal kingdom

[DallasFlyer]

As good as Pollard was, we've seen that performance from Pollard before. What Big Steve did was historic. I think he played 16 minutes, committing zero fouls. He got called for one. But by staying out of foul trouble, he could have played closer to 30 minutes if needed. Now think for a second what his stat line would have been then. He very well could have produced a triple double. Do you know how many triple doubles there have been in the history of Dayton basketball? I believe the answer is zero. Think about that. If SLU wasn't so inept, Big Steve may have stuffed the stat sheet like no player in the history of the program. So for him to not even be an answer choice is just crazy. He is absolutely deserving.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[rollo]

We won by 36, not 4, so the 6 blocks is great, but not a game changer.

Additionally, rollo doesn't play 'what if' when determining the Golden DNutz Awards. He plays 'what happened'. And what happened was we beat the sh*t out of a horrible team and the reason we did solely rested on the shoulders of the play on both ends of the court and in both halves of the game by Pollard and Pierre...and somewhat Crews!

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer As good as Pollard was, we've seen that performance from Pollard before. What Big Steve did was historic. I think he played 16 minutes, committing zero fouls. He got called for one. But by staying out of foul trouble, he could have played closer to 30 minutes if needed. Now think for a second what his stat line would have been then. He very well could have produced a triple double. Do you know how many triple doubles there have been in the history of Dayton basketball? I believe the answer is zero. Think about that. If SLU wasn't so inept, Big Steve may have stuffed the stat sheet like no player in the history of the program. So for him to not even be an answer choice is just crazy. He is absolutely deserving.

There has been at least one. Ryan Perryman in his senior year at Duquense. I was there and it was shown over and over on ESPN.

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by Angry John ...Scott Haffner...

"Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time."

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan There has been at least one. Ryan Perryman in his senior year at Duquense. I was there and it was shown over and over on ESPN.

Are you sure? Perryman could give you 20 and 20 but assists, steals or blocks? I asked this question years ago, and Chris R pointed out a game where Jeff Brookins of all people came close. Total statistical anomaly for him.

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[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by rollo We won by 36, not 4, so the 6 blocks is great, but not a game changer.

By that logic, Pollard's 18 points would also not be a game changer. But I would argue the reason Dayton won so handily was twofold. First, SLU is not good. Second, I think they were rattled and intimidated, and largely gave up. I think Steve's 6 blocks were a huge reason why that happened. To me, they were a game changer.

Originally Posted by rollo Additionally, rollo doesn't play 'what if' when determining the Golden DNutz Awards. He plays 'what happened'.

So you don't want to consider points per minute production. But take a harder look at what Steve did in those 16 minutes. 7 pts, 6 blocks, and 7 rbs. I know you don't want to play "what if" but understand the shots Steve blocks are attempts in the paint. Those are converted at a higher percentage than perimeter attempts. So 3 or 4 of those are probably going in. Add the 6-8 points subtracted to Steve's tally, and his game looks even better.

Originally Posted by rollo And what happened was we beat the sh*t out of a horrible team and the reason we did solely rested on the shoulders of the play on both ends of the court and in both halves of the game by Pollard and Pierre...and somewhat Crews!

To say the reason for the beatdown rested solely on play of Pollard and Pierre (ignoring Crews) is not accurate. The stats back up the fact that Big Steve played well on both ends of the court, and his impact on the game should not be dismissed.

In another post, you suggested that Big Steve looked lost on offense. I didn't see it that way at all. To me, he looked calm, cool and confident. He was fantastic.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Are you sure? Perryman could give you 20 and 20 but assists, steals or blocks? I asked this question years ago, and Chris R pointed out a game where Jeff Brookins of all people came close. Total statistical anomaly for him.

I was sure, but I couldn't find it in the archives section of either Dayton or Duquesne because they don't go back that far. I found an article in the archives of the DDN (no box score) on that game and it says he had 26 points and 20 rebounds, no mention of a triple double . I suppose the number of points and rebounds got it on ESPN, but for nearly twenty years I "remembered" seeing the words "Triple Double" on the ESPN graphic. So now I am sure I was wrong and my bubble is burst.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Are you sure? Perryman could give you 20 and 20 but assists, steals or blocks? I asked this question years ago, and Chris R pointed out a game where Jeff Brookins of all people came close. Total statistical anomaly for him.

Perryman had 26 and 20 in the game that Lifelong Flyer Fan mentions, which was Feb. 25, 1998 at Duquesne. But our assists leader had 6 for that game, and Perryman only had 3 blocks on the season, so he couldn't have had a triple-double.

Must be remembering the 20/20 game.

http://www.basketballpassport.com/ga...8-02-25-ud-duq

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[UDDoug]

Never has been a triple double by a UD player, at least not as long as they've kept those type stats.

Brookins I believe did come close once, and if not mistaken BRob fell just short once.

[THirt]

I remembered Chris Johnson having a 20/20 game against Duquesne, so I looked it up to see if he was anywhere close to double digits in another category. He put up 26 points and 20 rebounds on Jan 9, 2010, but had zero blocks, zero assists, and zero steals.

http://bbstate.com/games/2010-01-09/DUQ-UD/9

I mean, 26 and 20 is a monster game, but zeros in the other statistical categories is kind of weird.
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	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[longtimefan]

As an aside, Gary Trent of OU had something like 26 points, 16 rebounds, and 8 turnovers one game. His teammates kidded him that if he had just turned it over two more times he could have had a triple double. Also, Haffner: 23/29 FG, 8/8 FT, 11/13 from three-point land. Not bad. Evansville 109, UD 83. Feb 18, 1989.

[UDDoug]

The lack of a UD triple double, versus the number of triple doubles by Kyle Collinsworth at BYU, is an interesting tidbit.

[Flyer 86]

that was THE SINGLE WORST Slu team i've seen in watching the last 15 years.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[rollo]

The Big Steve Fan Club has spoken via posts and PMs, and thereforeth, thy Master shalt from this day-eth forward include Master Steve McElvene in all future Golden DNutz Award poll-eths!

So it be written.

So let it be done!

...eth.