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So very happy for X. I know he was down after the St. Mary's game, but he put it behind him and has really picked up his game.
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Are you Xeyrius, Are you Xeyrius????!!!!!!
The Pride of Beatty...all day and all night....Awesome! Congratulations Xeyrius...Great Game. The path to NCAA at-large bid, just got a little smoother.
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This really isn't all that new for him anymore. We're getting heavier doses each week and he's standing the test of time. XW is a certain all-time Flyer great if he remains healthy through his remaining eligibility.
If/when Cunningham is fully healthy, I'm not so sure he's a better option than moving XW into the starting lineup with Pollard. Of course I am totally against that if Cunningham isn't healthy.
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Originally Posted by Beatty Town Coach
Are you Xeyrius, Are you Xeyrius????!!!!!!
The Pride of Beatty...all day and all night....Awesome! Congratulations Xeyrius...Great Game. The path to NCAA at-large bid, just got a little smoother.
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X IS A TOTAL BEAST!!!!!!!!
Darn shame 61 fouls were called. Our seniors are unbelievable leaders!
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Two very good teams
I was following the stats on this game on the ESPN app while watching the game. It was amazing how close the statistics were the entire game. Rhode Island is a great team. I have a hard time believing they aren't one of the top 46 At Large teams.
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I was going to post a thread with the exact same title!!!!
What an incredible win. I was sweating. Crazy part was the X missed a couple threes so badly then comes back and nails 2 for the win! Incredible. Also I thought it was a very poorly officiated game. At least 4 phantom fouls on our Flyers, and a couple on URI as well.
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The foul with 15 seconds left where Kyle and X are literally not touching the URI player in the corner was particularly egregious.
Whatever, it led to the W.
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Originally Posted by priceg75
The foul with 15 seconds left where Kyle and X are literally not touching the URI player in the corner was particularly egregious.
Whatever, it led to the W.
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Originally Posted by priceg75
The foul with 15 seconds left where Kyle and X are literally not touching the URI player in the corner was particularly egregious.
Whatever, it led to the W.
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Yeah, Kyle was just standing there with his hands straight up. Could have been a foul on X. Definitely not on Kyle.
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A suggestion for X's new nickname: "Stones". Because he showed 'em tonight!
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I got killed about a week ago for stating that Williams should start over Mikesell. One poster even said Mikesell is the best sophomore in the class. I'm happy we are all on the same band wagon tonight.
Mr.Williams, you have made myself and all of the Wayne HS alumni proud buddy. Keep working hard young man.
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Uhhhh...YEAHHH!!!
I mean the officials, not you BTC. Frankly, as soon as I heard the announcers say "Earl Watson", I said "Oh, boy..:"
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I would love to know how long it was from the time X let that last shot go until it went through the net?!? That had so much arc, I didn't think it was ever going to come down.
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I thought that last shot might hit the ceiling. A 15 round, heavyweight slug fest. All stats were even except they had only 3 bench points. Our big three shot 11-30 while our smaller three were 11 for 17. That's balance.
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Xeryius Williams just broke the hearts of every fan in the state of Rhode Island. Hits back-to-back 3-point shots as Dayton wins 75-74.
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I would love to know how long it was from the time X let that last shot go until it went through the net?!? That had so much arc, I didn't think it was ever going to come down.
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BRobPerryman - We need another word when X shoots at 3. Sandwich is already taken.
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The culture in Dayton's program is simply amazing under Archie Miller. Obstacles arise, but results remain the same. Class of the A 10.
I've never had so much fun in my 45 years of watching UD. We are in special times.
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Great game for X and the Flyers. Hope to see more such games and celebrate other sophomores reaching manhood!
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Originally Posted by RamodWaleskowski
I got killed about a week ago for stating that Williams should start over Mikesell. One poster even said Mikesell is the best sophomore in the class. I'm happy we are all on the same band wagon tonight.
Mr.Williams, you have made myself and all of the Wayne HS alumni proud buddy. Keep working hard young man.
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I for one didn't/don't disagree with you about Xman being the more effective player, but sometimes a coach doesn't want to disrupt a teams rotation. Is Xman probably more effective than Mikesell in many situations? Yes. But what really matters is who plays in crunch time and I think the players on this team understand that.
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Originally Posted by CE80
BRobPerryman - We need another word when X shoots at 3. Sandwich is already taken.
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Originally Posted by C-time
I for one didn't/don't disagree with you about Xman being the more effective player, but sometimes a coach doesn't want to disrupt a teams rotation. Is Xman probably more effective than Mikesell in many situations? Yes. But what really matters is who plays in crunch time and I think the players on this team understand that.
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Hey brother my apologies. Far to great of a win and night for me to have brought that up. I'm just a new guy looking for a little respect is all. I guess I don't always do that in the most appropriate manner haha.
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Yeah, Kyle was just standing there with his hands straight up. Could have been a foul on X. Definitely not on Kyle.
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Originally Posted by RamodWaleskowski
Hey brother my apologies. Far to great of a win and night for me to have brought that up. I'm just a new guy looking for a little respect is all. I guess I don't always do that in the most appropriate manner haha.
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Originally Posted by RamodWaleskowski
Hey brother my apologies. Far to great of a win and night for me to have brought that up. I'm just a new guy looking for a little respect is all. I guess I don't always do that in the most appropriate manner haha.
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You offered a reasonable opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, but you have to consider things beyond who is the best player. There is more to coaching than just putting the best 5 players on the floor. Chemistry, Flow, and game situations matter too.
I think the most important thing that UD's players know is that the ultimate goal is to win basketball games
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Originally Posted by FlyerBob
Saw XW play for the first time today, I think we have a future star. He looked natural not pressing in his game movement and flow, showing tremendous natural ability and much upside. Frankly looked dominant. For me- in one game he's nudged aside Ryan as the most pleasant surprise this season.
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This was my post after the Dukes road game. I've attended only 1 game this year- happened to be in my back yard. Yes I am patting myself on the back - but I think I nailed it. X has that "it" factor and even a simple guy like me could see it the first time watching him. We have a very special talent.
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It's a nice bonus that it was a Sophomore that made those two threes. I love all the Seniors but it's great to see the young talent developing as well.
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Originally Posted by RamodWaleskowski
I got killed about a week ago for stating that Williams should start over Mikesell. One poster even said Mikesell is the best sophomore in the class. I'm happy we are all on the same band wagon tonight.
Mr.Williams, you have made myself and all of the Wayne HS alumni proud buddy. Keep working hard young man.
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And I argued vehemently with you against it. Though I wasn't the one who called Mikesell the best sophomore. But now that we look to have Cunningham back, yes, I would give XW more minutes, and at the expense of Mikesell. XW is that good. However, through this debate, I never knew you had the fellow alumni biased. Explains everything now.
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Originally Posted by Smitty10
And I argued vehemently with you against it. Though I wasn't the one who called Mikesell the best sophomore. But now that we look to have Cunningham back, yes, I would give XW more minutes, and at the expense of Mikesell. XW is that good. However, through this debate, I never knew you had the fellow alumni biased. Explains everything now.
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Absolutely haha. Also a big reason I have insisted in the past that Landers is not a lost scholarship.
I am honestly shocked that Landers does not play at all. He's an undersized 4 and it really does surprise me that he doesn't get more minutes at that position. 2 things I know he can do for a fact is rebound the ball and bring toughness ala Kyle Davis. Anyways, I am watching the replay right now. What a game.
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Xeryius Williams two three pointers is payback for what Dustin Helenga did to us at UD Arena! I was there and I will never forget that feeling! The feeling on Xeryius second three pointer this evening was euphoria!
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Absolutely haha. Also a big reason I have insisted in the past that Landers is not a lost scholarship.
I am honestly shocked that Landers does not play at all. He's an undersized 4 and it really does surprise me that he doesn't get more minutes at that position. 2 things I know he can do for a fact is rebound the ball and bring toughness ala Kyle Davis. Anyways, I am watching the replay right now. What a game.
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I'm not worried about TL at all. When you are the only Freshman on a team that has 10 other scholarship returnees, you're going to be the odd man out your first season until the 4 seniors move on. The only other time AM has only had one Freshman(and less than 3), we only had 6 other players to see the floor, one being a walk-on turned scholarship, so DD got lots of playing time.
TL will be a spark for us next season, I can feel it.
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Just read the uri Kearney blue message board. They are a class act. They are disappointed in their lack of clutch play...giving UD credit.
UD beat a great team who will cause some damage this season. I sure wouldn't want to play them again.
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rhody is wicked athletic. we drove valiantly to the rack in the first half, and they were always above the rim affecting shots.
we were very active defensively and forced just enough live ball turnovers. thankfully they shot free throws poorly. we need to improve vs. offensive boards and 50/50 balls.
like the rest of the season, imagine tonite with a healthy josh and big steve. but archie adapts and the team follows suit. as coach leahy said at notre dame, "the test of a champion is how he reacts to adversity on the days when it's bound to come."
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So very happy for X. I know he was down after the St. Mary's game, but he put it behind him and has really picked up his game.
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I remember sitting in the arena after that game, talking with people around me while waiting for the post-game show, thinking Williams' game that afternoon was one of the roughest games I've seen a guy play. For stretches he was simply getting abused to the point where I wondered if he'd be broken. He looked so lost, so out of his depth. He's become so integral to this team...it's almost unfathomable.
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The fans' reactions are priceless.
Also, I really do not like these uniforms on tv. You can't see the player numbers. You can't read Dayton, which is just a shame and missed opportunity to build your brand. And UD has been on national tv a lot this year. The only good thing is you see the white 5 crystal clear and that's always such an inspiration. RIP Steve.
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Also, I really do not like these uniforms on tv. You can't see the player numbers. You can't read Dayton, which is just a shame and missed opportunity to build your brand. And UD has been on national tv a lot this year. The only good thing is you see the white 5 crystal clear and that's always such an inspiration. RIP Steve.
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A thin white outline around DAYTON and the # would easily fix that but I don't think the usage/style guide for the new logo allows for that.
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A thin white outline around DAYTON and the # would easily fix that but I don't think the usage/style guide for the new logo allows for that.
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Then the usage/style guide needs to change. In that picture of X-Man from last night, his #20 in red stands out against the dark blue uniform, but the "DAYTON" in dark blue with the red outline just blends into the background. I agree with BeckysTXA on this one. UD is missing a branding opportunity by making the school (and city) name illegible.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
Then the usage/style guide needs to change. In that picture of X-Man from last night, his #20 in red stands out against the dark blue uniform, but the "DAYTON" in dark blue with the red outline just blends into the background. I agree with BeckysTXA on this one. UD is missing a branding opportunity by making the school (and city) name illegible.
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I don't disagree you at all. DAYTON and the # on the red and navy uniforms are hard to read. I mocked up uniforms with outlines last year on a thread I'll link below where people were discussing the grey uniforms. If you look at pictures across all UD sports you will never see DAYTON outlined on any uniforms. The only solution on the navy uniforms would be to use White instead of red.
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28900
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Those 3's were the tits....no doubt about that.
BUT X-factor also made a couple of other plays in crunch time that kept us in a position to win at the end, which tells me a lot about how far his game has come since St. Mary's.
Tip/offensive rebound on one missed shot and then the put back deuce on another miss..Hard nosed, smart basketball!!!
Rhoddies could've built some momentum on those misses but X was right there to keep the Flyers in a position to win at the end of the game.
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Originally Posted by UDBaby
Those 3's were the tits....no doubt about that.
BUT X-factor also made a couple of other plays in crunch time that kept us in a position to win at the end, which tells me a lot about how far his game has come since St. Mary's.
Tip/offensive rebound on one missed shot and then the put back deuce on another miss..Hard nosed, smart basketball!!!
Rhoddies could've built some momentum on those misses but X was right there to keep the Flyers in a position to win at the end of the game.
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He also had a couple nice swats on RI shot attempts around the bucket.....XW is also becoming pretty good at blocking shots coming over from the weak side to help out...I'd like to see him put on another 10 lbs. and work on improving his ball-handling and getting to the rack from the perimeter.....That would make him a player that could be all A10 in some capacity by the time he leaves..
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And I argued vehemently with you against it. Though I wasn't the one who called Mikesell the best sophomore. But now that we look to have Cunningham back, yes, I would give XW more minutes, and at the expense of Mikesell. XW is that good. However, through this debate, I never knew you had the fellow alumni biased. Explains everything now.
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I'm so excited about X really coming of age and about Josh coming back. I think they will both be big pieces moving forward this year. However I am not ready to give up on Mikesell either. If you recall Mikesell came up big to start the 2nd half when we took the lead with two straight baskets and a steal, which turned into a questionable charge if you ask me. So I also think Mikesell will continue to contribute this year.
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I'm so excited about X really coming of age and about Josh coming back. I think they will both be big pieces moving forward this year. However I am not ready to give up on Mikesell either. If you recall Mikesell came up big to start the 2nd half when we took the lead with two straight baskets and a steal, which turned into a questionable charge if you ask me. So I also think Mikesell will continue to contribute this year.
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Don't think Ryan made 2 straight hoops (assuming you meant UD made 2 straight) but your point is well taken. Mikesell came out of the locker room and even after committing a silly TO went hard to his left down the lane for a huge bucket which seemed to forge a little bulldog in this team. That kid has fight in him...
First off, he's playing out of position and is NOT a 4 player but a 3 . Secondly, IMO, he's way too unselfish as a shooter. He hoisted a couple up in the first half from deep that was very good to see because he can shoot the ball...
The kid simply has to show the same progress physically going into his 3rd year as he did from year 1 to this year which means another 10-12 lbs. AND he has to work on his footwork tremendously. If he can get a bit quicker and/or even anticipate better (yes, all of that is hard to do if it's not already present but can be done) then he can play a far more normal position on the floor which can be both a 2 and a 3 and not be a total liability guarding players on the perimeter..
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For those of you that dogged the X-Man, stating he shouldn't be on the floor, etc...what flavor crow would you like?
I know for a fact that X observed the comments made on the interwebs and used them as motivation. I guess those comments were a blessing, as he just shut every last one of the unrealistic critics up.
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Originally Posted by steve
Don't think Ryan made 2 straight hoops (assuming you meant UD made 2 straight) but your point is well taken. Mikesell came out of the locker room and even after committing a silly TO went hard to his left down the lane for a huge bucket which seemed to forge a little bulldog in this team. That kid has fight in him...
First off, he's playing out of position and is NOT a 4 player but a 3 . Secondly, IMO, he's way too unselfish as a shooter. He hoisted a couple up in the first half from deep that was very good to see because he can shoot the ball...
The kid simply has to show the same progress physically going into his 3rd year as he did from year 1 to this year which means another 10-12 lbs. AND he has to work on his footwork tremendously. If he can get a bit quicker and/or even anticipate better (yes, all of that is hard to do if it's not already present but can be done) then he can play a far more normal position on the floor which can be both a 2 and a 3 and not be a total liability guarding players on the perimeter..
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The problem is, he is the stereotypical tweener. He is not fast enough to guard the 3 or stretch 4's, and he is not strong enough to guard the traditional back to the basket 4's. The best thing for him going forward, imho, would be for him to bulk up and be strong enough to guard the Justin Tillman's and the Iverson's of the A10.
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Originally Posted by steve
Don't think Ryan made 2 straight hoops (assuming you meant UD made 2 straight) but your point is well taken. Mikesell came out of the locker room and even after committing a silly TO went hard to his left down the lane for a huge bucket which seemed to forge a little bulldog in this team. That kid has fight in him...
First off, he's playing out of position and is NOT a 4 player but a 3 . Secondly, IMO, he's way too unselfish as a shooter. He hoisted a couple up in the first half from deep that was very good to see because he can shoot the ball...
The kid simply has to show the same progress physically going into his 3rd year as he did from year 1 to this year which means another 10-12 lbs. AND he has to work on his footwork tremendously. If he can get a bit quicker and/or even anticipate better (yes, all of that is hard to do if it's not already present but can be done) then he can play a far more normal position on the floor which can be both a 2 and a 3 and not be a total liability guarding players on the perimeter..
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Don't get me wrong, I think Ryan can be a serviceable contributor over the next couple years. I think he's a very heady and savvy player who has a lot of fight in him. However, I'm tired of people assuming he's a shooter. He shot 33% last year from 3 and he's only shooting 32% this year. It's not his game. I'm fine with him taking the wide open 3's, but that's it.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
The problem is, he is the stereotypical tweener. He is not fast enough to guard the 3 or stretch 4's, and he is not strong enough to guard the traditional back to the basket 4's. The best thing for him going forward, imho, would be for him to bulk up and be strong enough to guard to Justin Tillman's and the Iverson's on the A10.
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Correct, and I agree somewhat but my comment was about him really going forward into next year. I'm not so sure he can't guard the 3/stretch 4 now but with their present lineup they're utilizing him at the traditional 4 with Cooke guarding the 3. Mikesell gets destroyed by power 4's unless there is great help-out D.I don't think he'll ever get to be big and strong enough (not to mention he'll not grow anymore) to guard the players you mention as he would need another 20 lbs or so not to mention far more strength which is not a given even with added weight.
"If" those improvements can come,and they can imho, but alot is up to the player and the work ethic that starts the day the season is over....I have no reason to believe that he won't work on those extremely hard after seeing him as a total liability defensively pretty-much in year one to the drastic improvement and rather "steadying" play he's made this year..
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Don't get me wrong, I think Ryan can be a serviceable contributor over the next couple years. I think he's a very heady and savvy player who has a lot of fight in him. However, I'm tired of people assuming he's a shooter. He shot 33% last year from 3 and he's only shooting 32% this year. It's not his game. I'm fine with him taking the wide open 3's, but that's it.
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Archie would tell you different in his assessment of Mikesell's ability to shoot which he's spoken about publicly. Mikesell had a pretty bad hand injury he suffered early in fall practice, iirc, which is very public. Let's just say that it took him several weeks to get that hand feeling better which both Bucky and Larry alluded to on the radio. Since 12-17-16, he's 11-28 which is a tad over 39% and he's had 4 games with 2 made 3 pointers....That's far from your assessment that he's not a shooter..
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I like Ryan a lot and my guess is so does Archie. I think he has made great strides this year. And my observation is that he gets what Archie is asking of him as much as anyone on the team. he surely doesnt execute all of the time, but of all the players he seems the most able to immediately grasp what he did rather than Archie telling him. my prediction is continued physical progress and honig of his skills and he will be a real leader on this team in the next 2 seasons. couple that with the blossoming of XW's all around game and DD finally becoming comfortable in his own role and skin and all of the sudden we have the makings of a solid core of leadership on this team after these seniors graduate.
I also think that once sam grows into his body he will be a significant contributor as well. He has the frame. Isn't there an old rule of thumb about big guys taking the longest to develop?
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Let's put a little different perspective on Mikesell vs X. There are only two players on the roster that have started all 24 games. That would be Scoochie and Ryan. The last 20 games we are 17-3. In the 3 losses, Xeyrius had blow out contributions off the bench and played starters minutes. I witnessed two of those in Anaheim. He played very very well.
There is no compelling argument that had Xeyrius started those games we would have won any of the three. To date, X is playing 22 minutes per game, and M is playing 23 minutes per game.
Sometimes a player has a comfort zone by watching the first 3 or 4 minutes off the bench. Don't you think Archie sees something? Ryan is calm and sees the floor well anytime he is on the court. Perhaps X is a bit over-hyped at the start of games and needs to get the big picture before he gets in the action.
I think Archie, his staff, and both players are comfortable with the rotation that is in place, and they are getting max production out of both. Ryan is a stable player to start with, and X is an animal finishing---not only with his shooting, but also with his team-leading 27 blocks on defense.
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I also think that once sam grows into his body he will be a significant contributor as well. He has the frame. Isn't there an old rule of thumb about big guys taking the longest to develop?
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I don't think Sam's problems are with his body...it's between the ears.
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I don't think Sam's problems are with his body...it's between the ears.
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I don't think Sam's problems are with his body...it's between the ears.
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Which can have alot to do with his body....Sam lost a ton of weight last year which was pretty amazing for an 18 year old kid trying to shed all the bad eating habits his first 17 years provided while being away from home for probably the very first time whole getting screamed at by coaches and no longer being the BMOC..While his body is not fat and his weight is very proportioned he simply has to tone his body and challenge himself in the weight room.
In either the St Louis or the Dukes game Sam caught a couple nice low feeds and pounded down 2 nice dunks with hops that were quite impressive. If you just turned on UD and had no idea about who Sam Miller was, anyone would have thought those were pretty athletic catches, quick strides, and emphatic dunks. Far far from Huelsman type plays.
The problem with those plays was the fact there was nobody between Sam and the basket.He needs to learn to make plays against defenders and he needs to get much much stronger in the weight room to be able to use that body much better which will increase his confidence and improve what's between his ears..
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For those of you that dogged the X-Man, stating he shouldn't be on the floor, etc...what flavor crow would you like?
I know for a fact that X observed the comments made on the interwebs and used them as motivation. I guess those comments were a blessing, as he just shut every last one of the unrealistic critics up.
Keep it up X.
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I don't recall anyone this year dogging X (although I admittedly did last year and have eaten crow since) and saying he shouldn't be on the floor. Some have said they prefer Mikesell starts but when did anyone on this board this year say X shouldn't be on the floor?
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Archie would tell you different in his assessment of Mikesell's ability to shoot which he's spoken about publicly. Mikesell had a pretty bad hand injury he suffered early in fall practice, iirc, which is very public. Let's just say that it took him several weeks to get that hand feeling better which both Bucky and Larry alluded to on the radio. Since 12-17-16, he's 11-28 which is a tad over 39% and he's had 4 games with 2 made 3 pointers....That's far from your assessment that he's not a shooter..
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What about last year? Or in high school when he shot under 40% from 3. I think it's a compliment to him that he's not a "shooter". He's more than that. A savvy, versatile player. He may improve his shooting percentage, but at this stage of his career he can't be labeled a shooter. His percentages don't justify it.
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I've been a fan of X since I saw him play Findlay Prep his senior year of HS. Despite getting in foul trouble early, he showed that he was a great teammate while on the bench, and then proceeded to nail down a handful of free throws as well as a nice move under the bucket in OT to lock up the win. Assuming he can add as much muscle this offseason as he did in the last, he's going to be a beast the next 2 seasons. He's just scratching the surface.
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X has a chance to be the player we all hoped Chris Wright would be. Wright was clearly the better athlete and was way more college ready, but X is better shooter and has a better handle. Don't get me wrong, at this stage in their careers, CW was the better player. But 2 years from now, X may be the more well-rounded player we hoped CW would be.
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Originally Posted by flyerfan4life
What about last year? Or in high school when he shot under 40% from 3. I think it's a compliment to him that he's not a "shooter". He's more than that. A savvy, versatile player. He may improve his shooting percentage, but at this stage of his career he can't be labeled a shooter. His percentages don't justify it.
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Well, I'll simply tell you he was 5-7 from the 3 pt line his very first game as a UD Flyer and 11-18 overall his first 4 games as a Flyer when he averaged 15 mpg in those first four games before he fell off the face of the earth in getting mpg simply because of his total inept ability to defend..After those first few games, he was barely playing and it's awful difficult to keep shooting the ball when you're in there to milk the clock..
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I don't recall anyone this year dogging X (although I admittedly did last year and have eaten crow since) and saying he shouldn't be on the floor. Some have said they prefer Mikesell starts but when did anyone on this board this year say X shouldn't be on the floor?
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When the players are using statements on here for motivation and that statement was mentioned...yes...it was on the board.
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When the players are using statements on here for motivation and that statement was mentioned...yes...it was on the board.
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The problem is, he is the stereotypical tweener. He is not fast enough to guard the 3 or stretch 4's, and he is not strong enough to guard the traditional back to the basket 4's. The best thing for him going forward, imho, would be for him to bulk up and be strong enough to guard to Justin Tillman's and the Iverson's on the A10.
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This x1000 about Mikesell. It's why he didn't get more minutes his freshman year when played the 3 exclusively. He couldn't stay in front of anybody he was trying to guard. This year when has gotten switched onto 3's they immediately drive by him and on several occasions coaches have taken stretch 4's and isolated them against him on the wing to attack him 1 on 1. I think his best option is to try to bulk up some because I don't see him magically become quicker and being able to guard 3's.
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Xeyrius Williams was looking to take the shot at the end of the game. He made two big shots. Here is a guy 6'9" (not 6'8" by his own comment on the radio show prior to one if the games) hitting 3 pointers. Its great when your looking to take the shot and you can follow it through by making the shot. You know you really have something when you realize that he is only a sophomore. He must have ice in his veins.
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Here are a few good ones: http://udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29963
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I'll give you that there were some people saying he was not playing well that game and should be on the bench. That was a long time ago and I don't think it was any different than other game threads when people call for players to sit because they aren't playing well that night. I've seen it about DD, Crosby, Miller, Mikesell and even Cooke. I think overall this board has been complimentary to X, and it's well deserved.
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Well, I'll simply tell you he was 5-7 from the 3 pt line his very first game as a UD Flyer and 11-18 overall his first 4 games as a Flyer when he averaged 15 mpg in those first four games before he fell off the face of the earth in getting mpg simply because of his total inept ability to defend..After those first few games, he was barely playing and it's awful difficult to keep shooting the ball when you're in there to milk the clock..
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And what is the excuse this year where he is starting and playing 20 min a game while shooting 32% from 3?
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First off, you asked me in your earlier post about "last year" which I supplied you with complete facts. Secondly, did you not read about the guy's injury on his shooting hand suffered in fall practice "this year" which is 100% complete fact? Did I not tell you he's shooting .392 since 12-17-17 which is about when he was finally healthy in being able to let it fly (per the UD announcers who do go to practice), which is better than the actual teams .375, better than Scoochie who is shooting .356 this year and even better than Cooke's .385?
If Mikesell makes his next 2- 3 pt. FG's he'll be at just under 35% and just under Scoochie's percentage which shows you the rather fine line. Now, do you do a complete cringe when Scoochie shoots the 3 ball? I didn't think so. None of this is to show you that Mikesell is some great shooter because he's simply not right now nor may he ever be but he's certainly not nearly the complete garbage you make him out to be...
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Jeez. Easy of Jack, Jack.
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Originally Posted by steve
First off, you asked me in your earlier post about "last year" which I supplied you with complete facts. Secondly, did you not read about the guy's injury on his shooting hand suffered in fall practice "this year" which is 100% complete fact? Did I not tell you he's shooting .392 since 12-17-17 which is about when he was finally healthy in being able to let it fly (per the UD announcers who do go to practice), which is better than the actual teams .375, better than Scoochie who is shooting .356 this year and even better than Cooke's .385?
If Mikesell makes his next 2- 3 pt. FG's he'll be at just under 35% and just under Scoochie's percentage which shows you the rather fine line. Now, do you do a complete cringe when Scoochie shoots the 3 ball? I didn't think so. None of this is to show you that Mikesell is some great shooter because he's simply not right now nor may he ever be but he's certainly not nearly the complete garbage you make him out to be...
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Never called him complete garbage. Don't put words in to my mouth. You're using specific "streaks" of hot shooting to justify him being a good shooter but conveniently leaving out the much longer periods of "cold streaks". You are what you are....he isn't a good shooter. YET. Take out his hot start last year and he was under 30% from 3. Now he's just barely over it for this year. People think just because he's a white guy that he can shoot. Not the case. I want him taking wide open 3's for sure, but that's about it. He needs to be a slasher.
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