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High Level Recruits - Current Status
Pretty sure we were in on some Top Dogs the last 3 to 4 years.
Isaiah guy from the Bronx. kareem Kanty , also of the Bronx.
If you know of more , please post here with their stats.
Just looked at Kareem Kanty. Averaging 19 points , 6 assists for Auburn tigers. Now a Junior. Transferred from Marshall where he scored 16 a game, 5.5 assists.
I know Percy not doing that well, and we had 2 or 3 other transfers or close ones (recruits).
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Isaiah Cousins - on , wow Oklahoma Sooners. Final Year.
Averaging 12 points, 4 boards, 5 assists.
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Trenton "Trent" Meacham (born September 26, 1985) is an American professional basketball player who plays for ASVEL Basket of the LNB Pro A. He played college basketball at both the University of Dayton and the University of Illinois.
In July 2009, he signed with WBC Raiffeisen Wels of Austria for the 2009–10 season.[2] In July 2010, he signed with BG Göttingen of Germany for the 2010–11 season.[2] In June 2011, he signed with Paris-Levallois of France for the 2011–12 season.
In October 2012, he signed with JSF Nanterre of France for the rest of the 2012–13 season. [2] In June 2013, he re-signed with JSF Nanterre for one more year. From Wikipedia.
In August 2014, he signed a one-year deal with the Italian team Emporio Armani Milano. [4] In February 2015, he left Milano and signed with ASVEL Basket of France.
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Look no further than Ann Arbor, Mi to see two recruits AM was after.
Caris LaVert has been a beast for UM. While injured right now, he is averaging 17.5 PPG. Last year he averaged almost 15.
Aubrey Dawkins averaged 7PPG last year and is bat aroun 8.5PPG this year. He plays about 20 minutes in a role very similar to Baby D.
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I don't normally promote the what-if game, but two key points on this topic ...
1) It is mind blowing how many absolute studs are near misses. Watch the list grow as more people list names which I have forgotten already.
2) I love my current flyers, but there is an underlying truth here ... Archie is doing all this without his first choice (first offered) guys. I know this happens everywhere, but this ups my respect for what Archie has done the past couple years.
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Caris LaVert or Pierre? If we have LaVert, I don't think we have Pierre... if I remember the timing right.
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Eeron Harris is playing up at Michigan St, don't know his stats, but saw him in one of their games the other day. He put up solid numbers his frosh season at WVU before transferring and sitting out last season.
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How about Ray Spalding of Louisville
Or young guys from Xavier, Sean OMara or JP Macura.
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Coupla guys now at Pitt: Ryan Luther and Sheldon Jeter
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I really don't think there's any measurable difference between the average player at UD compared to Providence, tOSU, or most any other school (not saying the top 5 schools). It's the 1 or 2 game changers + coaching that causes the real separation I think.
I think Pierre was that guy--and I distinctly remember making fun of people for saying we got the #4 (?) guy out of Canada in that class. But the real point is that we're good without Pierre, but we don't have a difference maker without him. SS is critical to run the show, KP is a beast, KD plays monster defense, etc. I think all would play similar roles at any school. But we need Pierre to be special, and he would be that kind of special at any school in America.
I can totally see the offense running through him as a "do it all" PF at most any B12, B10, or ACC school. He's not a flashy lottery pick but he's the guy that would make a team win the big game instead of lose it.
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Anton Grady of first Cleveland St and now his senior year at Wichita St. In at 8 pts and 5 bounds per game.
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01-06-2016, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows
Coupla guys now at Pitt: Ryan Luther and Sheldon Jeter
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How are there numbers swampy? Are they sophs now?
And weren't we in on Jalen Reynolds or some big name recruit named Jalen???
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
I really don't think there's any measurable difference between the average player at UD compared to Providence, tOSU, or most any other school (not saying the top 5 schools). It's the 1 or 2 game changers + coaching that causes the real separation I think.
I think Pierre was that guy--and I distinctly remember making fun of people for saying we got the #4 (?) guy out of Canada in that class. But the real point is that we're good without Pierre, but we don't have a difference maker without him. SS is critical to run the show, KP is a beast, KD plays monster defense, etc. I think all would play similar roles at any school. But we need Pierre to be special, and he would be that kind of special at any school in America.
I can totally see the offense running through him as a "do it all" PF at most any B12, B10, or ACC school. He's not a flashy lottery pick but he's the guy that would make a team win the big game instead of lose it.
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tOSU has more players like Pierre whereas UD has one. The elite top ten programs are stockpiled with talent that is a cut above. You can argue if tOSU is really one of those Top Ten, like Duke, UK, NC, Kansas....
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Originally Posted by Flyer 86
How are there numbers swampy? Are they sophs now?
And weren't we in on Jalen Reynolds or some big name recruit named Jalen???
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Pitt stats: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...ason_stats.pdf
Yup, UD was after Jalen Reynolds--he's from Livonia, MI where I work.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
tOSU has more players like Pierre whereas UD has one. The elite top ten programs are stockpiled with talent that is a cut above. You can argue if tOSU is really one of those Top Ten, like Duke, UK, NC, Kansas....
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It's impossible to prove one way or the other, but I don't think so. When I watch Northwestern vs. tOSU last night they had no one on either team as skilled as DP. He would start for both teams. Iowa, Rutgers, most of the B10 (toughest basketball conference right now?) he would start. Ignore the flashy name on the jersey and really watch the play. Everyone has some player where you could say to me "do you really think he would start over xxxx?" I would flip it around and say "do you really think xxxx would start over Pierre at UD?" No.
Even Maryland, one of the top teams in the country. Would he be able to start over Jake Layman at SF? I think he could. He's a better 3 point shooter, better rebounder, better passer. Would Jake start at UD? Maybe, but in place of KP with DP moving over to the PF spot.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
tOSU has more players like Pierre whereas UD has one. The elite top ten programs are stockpiled with talent that is a cut above. You can argue if tOSU is really one of those Top Ten, like Duke, UK, NC, Kansas....
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I agree, a school like Duke probably always has at least a 4 star player at every position in the starting 5.
Just look at their verbalcommits page, every single scholarship player, except for 3 big men, is a 4 star player or better.
http://verbalcommits.com/schools/duke
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I don't know that Derek Pardon counts as a close call, as we offered him, but he is averaging 12 and 9 for Northwestern in just 4 games so far this year. He had 9 and 14 against Ohio State last night.
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Well then we'll never be able to compete against tOSU, Providence, Vandy, Iowa, most SEC schools, Syracuse, Florida. . . don't belong on the same court as them I guess.
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Actually, Duke has 11 guys on scholarship this year, 7 out of the 11 are 5 star players. And 3 out of their 4 incoming freshmen recruits for next year are 5 star players. They just stockpile the top talent.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
tOSU has more players like Pierre whereas UD has one. The elite top ten programs are stockpiled with talent that is a cut above. You can argue if tOSU is really one of those Top Ten, like Duke, UK, NC, Kansas....
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And all that talent gets them to be the 4th or 5th best team in Ohio.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Actually, Duke has 11 guys on scholarship this year, 7 out of the 11 are 5 star players. And 3 out of their 4 incoming freshmen recruits for next year are 5 star players. They just stockpile the top talent.
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ud2 please go back and read Gazoo's post.
Looks like we are playing the hand we're dealt very nicely!
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ud2 please go back and read Gazoo's post.
Looks like we are playing the hand we're dealt very nicely!
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It's always about gambling for you isn't it.
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It would be nice to get a few top recruits, but when they work out, they are one or two and done. What did Ohio St gain with that great kid last year? Probably a similar story with Simmons at LSU and Sumner at X. Of course we all want better recruits, who will play very well, but stay 3-4 years.
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As UD continues to develop, the ability to recruit better talent becomes easier.
Pierre, Sibert, etc will pave the way for better and better talent. Just have to keep it going.
UD can't stockpile players like Duke, but now UD can compete for players that they never had a chance 10-15 years ago.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
tOSU has more players like Pierre whereas UD has one. The elite top ten programs are stockpiled with talent that is a cut above. You can argue if tOSU is really one of those Top Ten, like Duke, UK, NC, Kansas....
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Depth past the starters is usually the kicker. Those players are 3 and 4 star prospects. Most all Mid-Majors can't compete in late-season tournaments because their backup players get dominated by the quality of depth that they face.
Most are forced to overplay their starters because their backups lose ground when they're in there. Only the very best make perennial runs in the NCAA's. And a few, like Gonzaga, Butler, and _avier have even outgrown the Mid-Major label, by making their presence commonplace in the tourney. We have too much going for us in the present state not to become one ourselves.
Name another Mid-Major that has the jimmy's and joe's to compete with the big boys, but also has play-calling and coaching ingenuity to dominate with x's and o's..
Pierre was a legitimate 4-star prospect that was overlooked as a prep. I would've never thought a little known player from Canada may be the best Flyer since May, but it may very well turn out that way.
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I recall when Percy Gibson was the big of our dreams. Come far?
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A few past and current targets that come to mind:
Jacob Pullen (KSU)
Draymond Green (MSU)
Norris Cole (CSU)
Adrian Payne (MSU)
Kyle Ahrens (MSU)
AJ Harris (OSU)
Luke Kennard (Duke)
Hallice Cooke (ISU)
Olivier Hanlan (BC)
Geron Johnson (Memphis)
Trey Burke (Michigan)
EC Matthews (RI)
Vince Hunter (UTEP)
Devin Williams (WVU)
Dillion Brooks (Oregon)
Justin Bibbs (VT)
Javon Bess (MSU)
Vince Edwards (Purdue)
Ja’Sean Tate (OSU)
Nate Folwer (Butler)
Carlton Bragg (Kansas)
Esa Ahmad (WVU)
Malik Dime (Wash)
LeDonte Henton (Prov)
Jon Severe ( Fordham)
Juwan Staten still count?
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Remember that?
But that Guy Buckets did pretty well for Providence!!!
Ladontae Henton
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The one that really hurt because we had him in the bag! Great player. Better trade for us though
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Originally Posted by ud2
Actually, Duke has 11 guys on scholarship this year, 7 out of the 11 are 5 star players. And 3 out of their 4 incoming freshmen recruits for next year are 5 star players. They just stockpile the top talent.
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Just to be clear (and repeat), I'm not saying this applies to the top programs. I'm talking about the schools after the top programs. We do not compare to Duke, Kansas, etc.
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It's always about gambling for you isn't it.
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Don't bet on it!
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offers are are more complete in recent years ... "recruiting class" dropdown:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba.../dayton-flyers
https://rivals.yahoo.com/dayton/bask...g/commitments/
also interesting to click on our guys to see where else they offered ...
scoochie: 13 offers, including illinois, penn state, wichita state, umass, rhody
pollard: 9 offers via rivals including colorado state, va tech, visited rhody
kyle davis: 8 offers, colorado state, marquette, tennessee, xavier
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2013: says we offered rhody's EC matthews (romulus, MI 4-star)
2012: terry rozier 4-star shaker heights (hargrave academy), 2 years at louisville now in D-League
-- jevon thomas, who's on his way to seton hall by way of kansas state and scheduled to graduate in 2040:
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college...e20191311.html
2012: levert, harris & cousins were just 2-star according to espn !?!?!?
2014: jae'shawn tate 5-star, pickerington (Ohio state)
-- justin bibbs 4-star (dayton, montverde academy - virginia tech)
-- vincent edwards, 4-star middletown: purdue
-- javon bess, 4-star gahanna lincoln: michigan state
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great sites for future recruiting:
http://verbalcommits.com/schools/dayton
John Huston's venerable site:
https://sites.google.com/site/udhoopsrecruiting/
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2012: levert, harris & cousins were just 2-star according to espn !?!?!?
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That's what I'm talking about. Go to Duke, you get 5 stars. Go to UD, you're a 3 star. But I really don't see much difference in the average player. I'm calling BS on that.
Clearly, this does not apply to Kentucky.
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Josh Cunningham was a 4* and top 100 recruit coming out of Morgan Park, as Archie said on his radio show Monday. Josh will be the best rebounder, that he has. Since being here
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Originally Posted by Columbia Blue
jevon thomas, who's on his way to seton hall by way of kansas state and scheduled to graduate in 2040
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You ain't lyin'!
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I want to go to a sports book with you. I'd end up broke but it would be fun.
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Excellent!!! If you're in it for fun you can't lose!
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