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kick is good, Sorry Flyers. We honestly do not deserve to win today. 27-27 going to OT. PATHETIC. To a man, everyone on this team should be ashamed.
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The Cats have all the desire and passion in the world, The Flyers have their heads up you know where.
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Kacsor having a good day at least.
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Kacsor literally wills himself into the endzone. 34 27 Flyers. Davidson now gets a shot. Have to score a TD
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Have I mentioned that the defensive line was terrible today? Davidson first and goal fro the 10....
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3rd and goal from the 6....
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4th and six. one play away from victory....
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Nope, sorry a-- defense cannot make a play. 34-34. Absolute disgrace.
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We might as well drop our defensive line into pass coverage as they are completely useless.
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Davidson misses FG. All we need is a FG to win....
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Flyers self destruct by holding.... Getting out of FG range. Good grief. 2nd and 16.
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3rd and 15.... I guess we are counting on a long FG....
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Kacsor dropped in the backfield. 51 yard attempt....
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As I have said all day, the Flyers just do not seem to be playing to win. 51 yards, really....
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No he missed. I have had all I can stand of this poor BS.
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Win or lose DF... One thing is for sure. You are the man!!
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Kacsor pushing 40 carries....
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TD Kacsor. Have to go for 2 from 3rd overtime on....
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Did not get it....
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40-34 Dayton. Davidson gets another shot....
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Davidson starts at 40 after another unsportsmanlike penalty.
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Gave up another long QB scramble. First down on the 21....
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Pass completion to the 7. first and goal. SORRY
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pass interference, first and goal on the one.
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40-40 4th overtime
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Yep, 4th overtime with 1-4 Davidson. Which team came ready to play today?
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Yet another pass interference on us. Defense
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Davidson at the 4. Defense has checked out.
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Imploding. Off side and then 46 commits a personal foul. first dow, and inches
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TD Davidson. 46-40 Cats. Perhaps the single worst defensive effort I have ever seen from the Flyers.
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Davidson gets the 2 after completely baffling missed tackles by two Flyers.
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TD Kacsor. Need the conversion to keep the game going.
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This is the most undisciplined team I have ever seen Dayton field. It's been this way all year. And that all comes down to the leadership of the coaching staff. If it's not sideline penalties, it's coaches running on the field or players with unsportsmanlike penalties. I hate this trend, but this id the way this program has gone. Very disappointed.
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Bardo runs for the 2.... Overtime 5.... 48-48. It sure would be nice if our defense could make a play....
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Int to end game. Ugliest win in Flyer history. 54-48.
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Glad for Tom Fanning. Great job stepping in for an injured starter. Otherwise, never been more disappointed in a win. 5OT against a PFL bottom feeder.
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Too many problems to even list today. I cannot ever remember feeling so disappointed after a win. 5 OT's to beat a 1-4 team. HORRIBLE defense. Sub par passing AGAIN. Kacsor literally carried the team on his shoulders today. He may have set a record for most carries ever in a UD game. 47/213 yards, 4 TD's. The rest of the Flyers owe this young man a massive debt of gratitude.
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Bardo 26/42, 298 yards. 3 TD's, 2 interceptions.
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Either we caught them when they were at their best and we were at our worst, or we have a 500 season in store in the PFL.
A few observations:
Did we even try to double their wide out who, I think they said, set a record for receptions today?
The Davidson broadcasters noted our overuse of the deep out, and when they picked it in the second half one of them said something like, "I was waiting for that."
The game's been over for two hours and ESPN still shows it as 34-34 in the first overtime. So much for the "Worldwide leader in Sports."
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This was a super win. The women's soccer won in OT also. Now for the men's soccer to win for a perfect day!
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The best thing about the game was I got to meet Flyer Gramps! What a pleasure that was. I should have got his autograph.
In terms of the game, we never got off the bus! Our defense struggled all day. Not sure if they had to do with the Davidson offense or the fact we were flat. It did not help that in the first half we lost our best play maker in Pat Dowd. I wish him a speedy recovery. Also, are starting free safety Leach was tossed from the game in the second half for targeting. Hopefully he will be able to play next week. Davidson did have a good QB in number 4 and some skilled wide receivers. But no excuses, we should have won this game by a wide margin.
In terms of the O, Kascor was amazing. Without him, we would have lost 27-7. He literally took the team on his shoulders and carried them to victory. Another unbelievable job by that young man. 4 TDs and over 200 yards rushing. All the while everyone in the building including Davidsons D knew he was going to get the rock. A big tip of the hat also to the O line for opening some monster holes. Well done. Our passing game was up and down. Missed some wide open receivers and a number of balls should have been picked off. Fortunately the Davidson d backs could not catch.
Lastly the refs were worse than atrocious. Never in my life have I seen so many blown calls. The first half lasted forever because they were literally throwing a flag on someone every down. Those blind mice should seriously have their ref cards removed!
Hopefully we can right this ship prior to Marist next week. We need to improve significantly to compete in Poughkeepsie.
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Originally Posted by bobber
Either we caught them when they were at their best and we were at our worst, or we have a 500 season in store in the PFL.."
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I fear that it is the latter 500 comment. I say so because none of the strengths that we have heard about before the season have come to fruition. The defensive line is not dominating, the four year QB starter is not making plays, the fresh coaching faces are not bringing in new ideas. Each year I hear that the PFL is improving, yet each year we seem to move down another spot in the standings. So why is everyone else improving, but we're not? We used to be THE team to beat in this league. Now we're just another team.
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Originally Posted by PittsburghFlyer
The best thing about the game was I got to meet Flyer Gramps! What a pleasure that was. I should have got his autograph.
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I'll agree with this comment. Gramps is the man!
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Originally Posted by jmitch
I fear that it is the latter 500 comment. I say so because none of the strengths that we have heard about before the season have come to fruition. The defensive line is not dominating, the four year QB starter is not making plays, the fresh coaching faces are not bringing in new ideas. Each year I hear that the PFL is improving, yet each year we seem to move down another spot in the standings. So why is everyone else improving, but we're not? We used to be THE team to beat in this league. Now we're just another team.
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Agree, the years of the Flyers being a 'power" have been over for a while. Middle of the pack and .500 plus or minus a game seems to be the new normal. Maybe this year will be a bit different but so far the play seems to indicate more of the same. Whatever the reasons, be it talent, coaching, or improved overall league play, we are not what we once were. But we did win today and have a 1-5 Marist next week. Confidence level is not real high right now however.
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Early Morning Thoughts from a Senior Mind
Yesterday it was 2-1/2 hrs of driving, 2 hrs of tailgating & 5 hrs of football. That was tooooooo much & I left in the 5th OT. Today I slept in 'till 10 & just spent a half hour reading the play-by-play here. Agree with much, disagree about the SoCon refs. Much to write later; got to unload the car.
But...two thoughts.
There was good posting a week ago in the thread titled Forward Thinking, much of it to do with the league determining a champ when records are tied. The wisest message I told Grandma at the time was from UD62 when he/she said that maybe, just maybe we were putting the cart before the horse. Well yesterday I saw a lot of **** that the horse, in fact both horses, left on the field. Never would I have guessed that these two football programs - UD & DU - would act the way they did. The SoCon refs finally sent both teams to their sidelines & gave them messages. It helped for a while but came back later. We have a few very "mouthy" players who can spoil a season for the rest of their 'mates.
Secondly, the Flyers barely won their game, the Detroit Tigers have a losing problem...no wonder the anguish from that City.
And in closing for now...that penalty, Illegal Touching, that most of us know as going out of bounds & then coming back & being first to touch the ball, was not what we thought. The pass was actually right down the middle. Fortunately I befriended a 10-year former Davidson football coach at the end zone fence & he found out the call was for the receiver being covered by a bad alignment & was ineligible as a receiver. So now you know the rest of that story!
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Dayton 10 Davidson 7 at the half. Flyers not looking sharp at all. I hope RC can get their heads on straight at halftime and light a fire under these guys. D - line has put zero pressure on Davidson's excellent QB. Where is Pat Dowd? As per normal, Bardo's passes are a crap shoot. Some are OK, many are just not good. Several catches today were simply amazing efforts by the receivers. If Davidson was not keeping us in the game with penalities it would be ugly. I just get the feeling that the Flyers already put this one in the win column. It seems as though Davidson did not get the memo....
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The issue is an injury. He is a dual threat QB. He is a good runner and an ok passer. The problem is that if he does not have both threats available to him, then he is mediocre at best. If we need someone to be a pocket passer, I think we have two better options on the bench. In my opinion, he either needs to run or sit.
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At this point in the game Will was 11-15. I heard in the stands everybody complaining about his play. He was 11-15. Yes he had an interception. Yes the receivers were making good catches. They also dropped a ball or two yesterday. Do you really think that we would have won yesterday with either of the other two qb's? Every time in the fourth qtr that Davidson went down and scored, Will took the team down in a short amount of time and answered. Connor did carry the team yesterday. How many carries did he have when we had to go down and score twice with less than 5 minutes left. Our redshirt senior qb did exactly what he is supposed to do. He drove the team with his arm twice for the go ahead scores. Not one bit of credit. This was a team win. Connor carried the ball 47 times. He ran hard and he ran well. The offensive line played well. Like someone else said, everyone in the stadium knew who was getting the ball and they were still effective. Will completed 62% of his passes. Blake is a combined 8-23 on the year. Do you remember the Drake game last year? This is who you wanted to come in. I mean this as no slight to any of the other qb's. I just find the bias on here ridiculous when you look at the overall picture. Are we watching the same game? When the Will bashing started he was 11-15. Do you really think that we would that we would have won yesterday? Would you have the confidence that either of the other two would have drove the team down the field twice answering scores? Oh well the backup qb is always the favorite. I know this post will draw a lot of ire, but I don't think that I am watching the same game as most of you. I heard the comments in the stands. Apparently a qb should never have an incomplete pass. Happens all the time right. The best of the best never throw incomplete or bad passes? Just Will. 11-15 when these posts were made. By the way Will does not call the plays. They are not allowed to change them. They run what they are told to run.
When is the last time UD had a true pocket passer? Steve Valentino had a 56% completion percentage and 201 yards a game his senior year. They went undefeated in conference and 10-1 overall. I have said this before, winning makes you see things differently. Tino was an amazing athlete playing qb. Watch is highlight film! Simply amazing! He was a punt returner that played quarterback. No one could put a hand on him. Two time PFL offensive player of the year. He was not a great passer, but he gets a pass? Pun intended. Watch his video on YouTube it is amazing. I know that this is probably reprehensible to use Tino to compare, DF has told me over and over again that I should not. 56% and 201 a game. No one dared say anything about his passing.
These are kids, they are not here on an athletic scholarship or getting paid.
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I'm with you PP. There is some misplaced anguish. We all agree with Will's current status, half of his game is missing. Unfortunately running is his best asset. Luckily Macis and Smith made some really good grabs to keep drives alive. As for the offensive running game. Yes Connor ran hard, IN THE OVERTIMES. If he would have given this effort all game, along with the rest of the offense, we would not be having this discussion. His running style is hard on the line to block for him. They may be running off right tackle and the next thing you know is bouncing it outside off the left tackle. That is why we had the hold in the 3rd OT that pushed us out of easy FG range. I'm not demeaning CK, but Ewald needs to do some coaching of when to abandon the called assignment. Now that does not excuse the line from not getting a push, blocking down field, and standing around. Any accolades from the G-town game, they have now given back with their play against Duquesne and Davidson.
As for the d-line. They did their job. They are to stop the run first. Davidson had very little running stats. If you watched their coaches show clip, they had planned on lining up helmet on helmet and see whose set was bigger. They couldn't run on us. Yes pressure was lacking. But when you have a 5-6 man zone blocking scheme and only rush 4, odds are against you. Their QB unloaded the ball on timing patterns within 4-5 seconds. In camp the secondary was getting torched by our offense. I mentioned then if we ever ran into a passing team, we would be exposed. Oh were we exposed. Everyone in the stands knew 89 (158 receiving yards) was going to get the ball. How the world the coaches and players didn't know this is beyond me. When you give a 3 yard cushion and immediately back peddle, 5-6 yard gains are there all day long. You would also think we would learn, even with terrible refs, if you do not turn to the ball, any questionable contact is going to get called as PI. We have smart kids, they should know better.
Special team’s kickoff was a let down. They probably averaged a start at or past the 35 every time. For us, we defiantly miss Gary Hunter in special teams area. As mentioned, how can we kick 50+ yard FG's, but KO's rarely go inside the 10.
I could rant on but it does no good. All in all it was a win on the road, but absolutely ugly from the start. Sorry this lands in everyone’s lap, starting with the top.
My only concern is most of our tough games are on the road. So far we are not looking good for SDU, assuming we get out unscathed the next two weeks.
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I was at the Game yesterday, Dayton had too many penalties...for whatever reason one of the Refs had it in for a Dayton player....he was calling pass interference calls that were clearly players just playing the game. A few injuries early in the game hurt us, all in all.....the entire team played their hearts out, I have noticed that Will plays better in hurry up offense situations....love the intensity of Luke Johnsons dad.....if I was a Davidson parent at the game I'd be embarrassed of the Davidson students .....down right offensive, nice looking school, hope they never win another game.
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I hope more than anyyhing that Bardo makes me eat crow. But I have been waiting for 3.5 seasons for that to happen...and still waiting. If he can't/won't run, then I do believe that his skills are very limited. I saw Bir come in at Duquesne and lead the team down to a TD before the coaching staff closed the playbook on him. Agree 100% that he is running the plays that our offensive coaches with no imagination continue to call. Certainly the coaching staff needs to wake up.
Bottom line is that we just won a game in 5OTs that we generally beat by double digits. I'm glad that we won. Cannot afford to lose. Maybe Davidson is this years Marist, but Morehead didn't seem to think so.
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At this point in the game Will was 11-15. I heard in the stands everybody complaining about his play. He was 11-15. Yes he had an interception. Yes the receivers were making good catches. They also dropped a ball or two yesterday. Do you really think that we would have won yesterday with either of the other two qb's? Every time in the fourth qtr that Davidson went down and scored, Will took the team down in a short amount of time and answered. Connor did carry the team yesterday. How many carries did he have when we had to go down and score twice with less than 5 minutes left. Our redshirt senior qb did exactly what he is supposed to do. He drove the team with his arm twice for the go ahead scores. Not one bit of credit. This was a team win. Connor carried the ball 47 times. He ran hard and he ran well. The offensive line played well. Like someone else said, everyone in the stadium knew who was getting the ball and they were still effective. Will completed 62% of his passes. Blake is a combined 8-23 on the year. Do you remember the Drake game last year? This is who you wanted to come in. I mean this as no slight to any of the other qb's. I just find the bias on here ridiculous when you look at the overall picture. Are we watching the same game? When the Will bashing started he was 11-15. Do you really think that we would that we would have won yesterday? Would you have the confidence that either of the other two would have drove the team down the field twice answering scores? Oh well the backup qb is always the favorite. I know this post will draw a lot of ire, but I don't think that I am watching the same game as most of you. I heard the comments in the stands. Apparently a qb should never have an incomplete pass. Happens all the time right. The best of the best never throw incomplete or bad passes? Just Will. 11-15 when these posts were made. By the way Will does not call the plays. They are not allowed to change them. They run what they are told to run.
When is the last time UD had a true pocket passer? Steve Valentino had a 56% completion percentage and 201 yards a game his senior year. They went undefeated in conference and 10-1 overall. I have said this before, winning makes you see things differently. Tino was an amazing athlete playing qb. Watch is highlight film! Simply amazing! He was a punt returner that played quarterback. No one could put a hand on him. Two time PFL offensive player of the year. He was not a great passer, but he gets a pass? Pun intended. Watch his video on YouTube it is amazing. I know that this is probably reprehensible to use Tino to compare, DF has told me over and over again that I should not. 56% and 201 a game. No one dared say anything about his passing.
These are kids, they are not here on an athletic scholarship or getting paid.
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I respect your opinion. This is a forum that gives us all an opportunity to do the same. Arm chair quarterback, Monday-morning quarterback etc. I was actually tracking with your comments until you made an assessment on the capabilities of a young man based on ONE game. I challenge you to put that filter on any player in any sport and see what the results say either positive or negative. I won't call out any players in my opinions or comments on this board . But you lose all credibility with me making that statement. And that's my opinion.
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We will be lucky if Bardo does not get one of our receivers seriously injured. Our guys caught some balls yesterday that they really had no business catching. Some were caught in very awkward positions and we are fortunate that no one got hurt. Will does throw accurate passes from time to time but it is about a 50 percent crap shoot. The backward pass on the screen was about the most pathetic thing I have seen in years. He just is not consistent enough for a 4 year starter. If a gimpy Bardo is truly our best option at QB, then someone needs to be fired. QB development has been sorely lacking and our records the last few years squarely reflect that. Other PFL teams, even Davidson are finding top level guys while we have settled on slightly above average.
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The large number of unsportsmanlike penalities on both sides was very disappointing. Both programs are above that and I hope everyone called on both sides experiences a significant attitude adjustment by their coaching staffs!
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Was anyone else scratching their head on the decision to run out the clock at the end of the first half with more than a minute remaining ? What are the players to think ?
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Please don't take my comments for anything more that what they are worth. Guys (and gals) like DF, smitch and myself (as well as a few others) are UD Football fanatics. This is an interesting forum because of the participation of you football dads out there. If you want to see craziness, visit the basketball forum after a loss or close game.
Long before your sons arrived and long after your sons embark on their successful business/medical/engineering/coaching careers, we have been here and will remain here experiencing the ups and downs of the UD football program. We expect a lot from our Flyers. We have been blessed by multiple league and national championship seasons. Right now we are in a drought like we have not experienced in several years. We want nothing but the best for the Flyer football program.
The QB is the figurehead of the program. He touches the ball on every offensive play. He is the easiest on-the-field Flyer to criticize. He deserves credit, when credit is due. But he also is in the position to receive criticism. He made the plays in the fourth quarter to keep the team in the game yesterday. For that he should be commended.
I want nothing more for Will Bardo to earn a PFL Championship ring this year. I'm just not encouraged by the progress that I have seen over his career individually or by the team. I am fearful that we have just invested four years in a starting QB without reaping the benefits that we are used to.
But again, please take this for what it is worth. A fanatic being fanatical.
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Non-game Experience
It was an amazing day for me...and the team! Thanks to Scout86 for letting me join in the tailgating & a chance to meet his wife. I questioned his dragging that tent/canopy & table all the distance until I saw how IT was the focal point, the eye catcher, the place to park for all those UD friends & family. And it was well attended with so many stopping by before the game. We waved to the boys in the 3 buses when they arrived. A Davidson player from Hudson told me in 2006, that’s class to have an Offense bus, a Defense bus & a Study bus (no music)!
Sitting alone in my chair while small groups gathered at their car-trunks or canopy area I realized this wasn’t going to work for me. I need to be involved so I just got up & wandered about, stopping to introduce myself as Flyer Gramps & often somebody heard of me. I met a parent from NE Ohio who’s son played AAU ball with Tino when he was about 9th grade. I met UD Prider’s, some with last names of recruits I searched the internet for years ago! It was great and I thank Scout for the invite. Tonight I’ll unload the camera memory stick.
It was sad to see that some big trees & that nice grassy slope where the buses used to unload is being taken by expansion with a new science building planned. This would be like putting a building between the UD Arena & Welcome Stadium entrance. I asked a former coach if the old bent grass field (it was like a putting green) was a big problem he said no...so why the turf now?
I got a freebie!!!!!!!!!Yes a senior safety got me a pass to the game!
Another DU bad...It was Military appreciation day again but no parachutists. They didn’t have regional talent at halftime; just a few wounded warriors but no music or drum & bugle or something for them. What was something was the kid (probably a 21 yr. old student) who had a chance to win $5000. Now follow this in your mind. Stand outside the back of the end zone & throw the longest forward pass you can down the middle of the field. Spotters marked where the black rubber dust bounced. Walk forward to that spot & punt the longest punt you can (this participant was not as great at punting as throwing). O.K., put the ball in a tee & kick it between those uprights way at the back of the far end zone. The kid has a gray/green leisure type suit & he removed his shoes! I said he’s not going to make it now. Guy next to me at fence said he’ll break a toe! He took three steps back, a step sideways, then changed his right & left foot, then changed them back. It looked like he never did this before. So finally after many looks, he stepped forward & put that sucker right between the posts much like a Will Will special. Some friends/family congratulated him in the stands. They didn’t have the money ready for presentation, not even a sponsor sign. Not good Davidson halftime planners.
Sitting still at a game is difficult for me. Walking up & down steps is not good either for the new hip. So it was walk the track three times. Finally after 4 hours I said goodbye & left without being able to take post-game photos of the boys with parents My loss for sure. But the Aleve in my car & a bottle of Gatorade got me home with take-out dinner in hand for my ailing wife. She had a TIA Wednesday so neighbors checked on her for me & I called 3 times.
I fixed the leftovers today. What a great October Saturday for Gramps. All is well today.
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I respect your opinion. This is a forum that gives us all an opportunity to do the same. Arm chair quarterback, Monday-morning quarterback etc. I was actually tracking with your comments until you made an assessment on the capabilities of a young man based on ONE game. I challenge you to put that filter on any player in any sport and see what the results say either positive or negative. I won't call out any players in my opinions or comments on this board . But you lose all credibility with me making that statement. And that's my opinion.
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Michigan, I know this was probably taken as a slight. It was not meant to be. What I intended the point to be was, what is it you have seen that makes anyone believe that either of the back ups is better. I can promise you I do not base anything on a single game. I watch every game and see most of the practices. I spend a lot of time studying this team. I was simply stating that I didn't understand the call for a better back up to replace the starter. What is that based upon? If we already know that the last time we won the title it was with a running qb. Why do we think the back ups give us a better chance. What is the rationale? What has changed in the equation? Why do you think this gives us a better chance to win? The pro's don't throw every ball exactly where it should be or even close sometimes, but we expect these kids to. What was Kade Bell's completion percentage yesterday? What has it been? Again, not trying to take shots at anybody, but we were talking about our three qb's so that does limit the conversation. I just was trying to get a response as to what anyone has seen that leads them to believe that there was a better option. I am sorry if I have offended anyone on here. I never meant to. Just meant to take up for a kid who I think gets a raw deal. He was 11-15 when the criticism started.
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Originally Posted by proudpapa
what is it you have seen that makes anyone believe that either of the back ups is better.
What is that based upon? If we already know that the last time we won the title it was with a running qb. Why do we think the back ups give us a better chance. What is the rationale? What has changed in the equation? Why do you think this gives us a better chance to win?
The pro's don't throw every ball exactly where it should be or even close sometimes, but we expect these kids to.
I just was trying to get a response as to what anyone has seen that leads them to believe that there was a better option.
He was 11-15 when the criticism started.
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I was one who was criticizing, so I will answer. Bardo may have been 11-15 at the end of the first half, but he threw an interception in the end zone and was missing wide open receivers. Given 3.5 seasons of frustration with the QB position, my Bardo leash is not very long.
What have I seen that makes me believe that either of the backups is better? If we already know that the last time we won the title it was with a running qb. Why do we think the back ups give us a better chance. What is the rationale?
Well, it is tough to say. I have a portfolio of Bardo information to recall, but a very limited databank for either Bir or Johnson. On the running QB question, I would say that is irrelevant in this discussion. Right now, Bardo is NOT a running QB. He is a pocket passer. So I think that the question that needs to be answered is "is Bardo the best pocket QB on the roster to choose from?" and I think that this answer is at least worth exploring.
It is difficult to limit this discussion to one game, but since the backup QB sample size is so small, that is what I have to work with. Here goes:
Duquesne 2014:
Bardo: 10-20, 2 ints, 92 yds, no drives led to TDs
Bir: 8-20, 1 int, 88 yds, 1 drive led to TD
Again, small sample size, but I think that Blake's performance at least deserves a look. Had Blake taken all of the first team snaps that week during practice, would his number have been better? I don't know.
The pro's don't throw every ball exactly where it should be or even close sometimes, but we expect these kids to. I don't think that anyone expects Bardo to pitch a perfect game. As a long time Flyer fan, here is what I expect from a Flyer QB. I expect our QB play to be as good as or better than at least half of the QBs in the league. That is the only way to be competitive. You mention that our kids are not on scholarship or getting paid to play. Neither were the 8 PFL QBs last year that had a better statistical year than Bardo.
I don't know what the right answer is. I'm not usually one to criticize on this forum (check my older posts if you don't believe me), but sometimes the frustration can boil over. If Davidson has caught up with us in talent and coaching, then we are in real trouble. Let's hope that Saturday was an anomaly.
I'm moving on to Marist.
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While I like Coach Chamberlin personally and talk with him and his wife, we are not the program we were when coach Kelly left. I am with jmitch in feeling the frustration of the qb situation, the tried and proven to be ineffective offense and a defense that at times disappears or is too soft at critical times.
On defense in the 4th OT we had the running back stopped at the 5 yard line yet he slipped between two burlie flyer defenders. The Davidson announcers laughed how he ran for the tying td right through two burlie flyers (their words).
Other observations made by the announcers were: First: Bardo is not even thinking of running the ball which makes it easy on the defense to not even defend that. Second: the running back follows the man in motion so all the defense has to do is follow the man in motion as well and presto their is the running back. In their words the Dayton offense was way to predictable. Ergo, we struggled, no imagination.
Its almost as if the coaches didn't prepare for Davidson and just ran some plain vanilla plays while the defense had no strategies of their own.
Not till the OT did Dayton wake up and then it was almost too late.
Good news is, opponents won't have much to gain from this plain vanilla game plan.
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I will be the first to admit we SHOULD have beat Davidson by 20, but we didn't, but we did win our 3rd game and didn't lose our 2nd, I'll take it. I think the fact we went 5 OTs and didn't lose shows a TON of fight in this team and a win like that can be a tremendous wake up call for a team, at any level. If the Flyers took on the attitude most of us had during the game, the Flyers lose, but thankfully they didn't and kept fighting. Bardo needs to run more, we know that but the Davidson announcers pointed out something in the 4th OT that is not being said, his poise. I think the comment was along the lines of 'Bardo's poise is amazing or scary.' Some stats…100 plays 525 yards (5.25 average I'll take all day every day), 11-20 on 3rd down and 3-3 on 4th down (again I'll take it every game). Vanilla or not and trust me I think we are Vanilla, but how does the old cliche go "It doesn't matter if they know what's coming, they still have to stop it." Oh and we don't have our big play threat playing WR still (Johnson), that would hurt any offense. Davidson offense played great; some of those catches, WOW, and that QB is a true dual threat lets give credit where credit is due. Our defense will be fine, we had 2 starting secondary players out from the 2nd half on, that's tough to overcome for any secondary let alone one that isn't dominant, but we overcame it and WON. We beat them 40-8 last year, 2006 they beat us at Davidson (we went 4-6 that year, next to last year for Coach Kelly); they weren't a better PROGRAM back then and aren't now, just played a better game, like this year they played a better game but we WON.
We won, time to move on. BYU lost to Utah State, Oregon lost to Arizona, Nebraska needed a last second kick return to beat McNeese State…McNeese State. Butler almost lost to Stetson, keyword ALMOST, we ALMOST lost but we WON. This is college football and the landscape is ever changing. It's no secret we as UD fans were spoiled for many years but the truth of the matter is college football is a much more even playing field at all levels (if you can't admit that you're living in a bubble). We're UD, we typically get every programs best shot especially when they get us at their home field. Next week at Marist will be no different. Learn from the mistakes and opportunities from this game and prepare to play better at Marist, plain and simple.
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We will have to wait till Saturday to see if this team answers their wakeup call. Marist should be a 20 point win, but that is why they play the game on the turf. Its the coaching staff's job to come up with the game plan, but its the upperclassmens job to get the team mentally and emotionally ready. Can't take anything for granted.
As the announcers stated Dayton is a big time program (in pioneer league terms) and has a target on their back as everyone wants to beat them and brings their best game. But even they were surprised by Davidsons performance and Daytons lack there of.
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As the posts have shown whether a parent or long time fan, we want the best for our kids, the team, and UD. Emotions get involved some times. As mentioned above this is the place to voice ones opinion. We are all entitled to that and is why we are on the forum. I'm glad to see we keep it civil and above the line. Too many forums such as this get carried too far.
I think we all will take the win no matter how ugly it may be. So far history is showing we do not play well after a bye week. As all have stated, this week will show if we are contenders or pretenders. This one is in the books and now part of history. Now on to the Marist thread.
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My Game Thoughts
Disappointing to see that 1st qtr chippiness by both teams & our ejected player. 24 penalties (called) for 216 yds is not good football. Heck, I held my breath a few times when we weren't called. If you thought the refs were not fair to UD then sit with the opponent because they feel likewise...it's human nature!
Defense by both teams performed early then disappeared often later.
Our hurry up offense seems to work but only for the dual threat of run or pass. Single threat of run don't work with hurry up, especially a draw/delay handoff.
QB please don't go under center for first time at goal line...fumble waiting to happen.
Often Offensive coaches become too cautious the possession after an intercept. We did & couldn't move. Motion man seems to determine run not pass.
You are not going to change a Head Coach who has been involved in OVER half of your 600+ wins! But...he can get better offensive advice.
Finally, geez, in my one game for 2014 I got to watch the PFL's Offensive & Defensive POW!!!!!
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Wow a lot of angst over a win by the Flyers. After letting the dust and my thoughts settle a little I have a few thoughts:
-The Flyers were flat and not ready to play. Don't know if it was the bye week, the trip, the fact that Davidson has not been very good or the dog ate their playbooks but we were not ready to play. I fact the offense did not really come alive until 6 minutes left in the game. Starting with 6 minutes left through the overtimes the offense was as good as it could be.
-Davidson is better than in the past. They are not a good team yet but their offense is for real and their coach has them playing better and with a lot of emotion. They will beat some teams in the PFL this season.
-Someone needs to give credit to 43. That young man came in during overtime without much in the way of experience and made a play to win the game. He deserves some credit and recognition.
-The defense was battling injuries and refs the entire day. Its tough to loose your best pass rusher and two starting DBs and shut down a passing team.
-Say what you will about Bardo but the young man is clutch with the game on the line. Last year he took us the length of the field to tie San Diego and he took us down the field twice at the end of the game against Davidson.
-Once we got to the third OT it was clear the Davidson defense was gassed and there was no way that they could stop the run. At that point it was clear that we could score at will if we didn't turn it over the only question was who would win the battle of 2 point conversions or could our defense make a play. Luckily the defense made play.
-47 carries! WOW.
-If Bardo could run this offense would be dynamic. If he is not going to be able to run the coaches need to be a little more creative. The read option in not a good offense if the QB can't or won't run. They either need to put in some wildcat plays, insert another QB who can run, do some more of the things that they did early with motion and option plays,...
-I thought this was our worst game plan offensively. It looked like the coaches were of the mind that we could run on them and hit them deep if they loaded up the box. We did much better when we went into the up tempo offense. It obviously worked well during the last 6 minutes and it worked when we went to it at other times.
-I hope we get one or two of our injured defenders back for Marist. I would expect a low scoring game against their defense so we need to be able to shut them down.
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Alright, I was able to watch the game tape and it was not as bad as it looked in person. I will say their QB, #4, is the real deal. He made some unbelievable throws and his receivers (83 and 89) were outstanding. There were a number of plays we were all over their receivers and they still made the catch. Hats off to them.
The targeting play on our #20 was a horrible call. Our two defenders sandwiched the receiver and he fell hard to the ground. No blow to the head that I could see, and I watched it in slow mo numerous times. Hopefully when the NCAA reviews the tape, they remove his suspension for the Marist game. Also, the late hit that was called on 33 in the second half was questionable. It appeared to me that he knocked the Davidson guy over just as the Davidson guy hit the ground. I thought it was a legit football play. In terms of the two plays that reversed the early TDs by us and Davidson, they were called correctly. On our TD called back, our slot receiver shouldered the inside line backer of Davidson before the ball was thrown. I am sure he was coached to do that. The bad thing is there is no way the LB would have made it to Kascor. He would have been 5 steps too late.
I will agree that we definitely need to improve our passing game prior to next week.
I have to add that I had a relative who lives locally with me at the game Saturday. On numerous occasions, she said "It is crazy how many Dayton fans traveled to this game in North Carolina." I must admit we do have a great following for a game so far away from home. The Dayton pride and spirit definitely was on display in sun splashed Davidson, NC!
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