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Old 09-06-2013, 01:04 PM
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Lindsy and Sporting News are out. Lindsy has the Flyers finishing 8th in the A-10 and Sporting News has the Flyers finishing 6th. Predicted as a top newcomer by Sporting News is Jordan Sibert. Dayton had the A-10 top recruiting class - rated 63 in the top 100 recruiting classes. In the top 247 incoming freshmen, Smith is number 154 and Davis is 157. Go Flyers! UD Women are rated number 17.

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1. VCU
2. Saint Louis
3. La Salle
4. Saint Joseph's
5. UMass
6. Dayton
7. Richmond
8. George Mason
9. George Washington
10. Rhode Island
11. Fordham
12. Duquesne
13. St. Bonaventure

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Old 09-06-2013, 01:16 PM
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Sporting News rankings match my thoughts exactly. I have higher expectations, but when I try to take an unbiased view based on prior year, player changes, etc this is the order I come up with except maybe UMass ahead of St Joes
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Sporting News rankings match my thoughts exactly. I have higher expectations, but when I try to take an unbiased view based on prior year, player changes, etc this is the order I come up with except maybe UMass ahead of St Joes
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Unbiased view??? That's no fun. I say we'll finish 4th. Keep in mind we play VCU, LaSalle, and UMass at home, giving us a chance to win some head-to-head tie-breakers. We also get St Louis and St Joe at home (home-and-home). I'll go out on a limb and predict fourth. Everything will come together this year (for a change).
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Fourth would put us squarely on the NIT bubble, a position we know a lot about.

I'd like to see us in fourth place too, but can we go even higher? The fan in me says yes.
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As usual we have a lot of unknowns:

How good is Jordan Sibert, can he be a difference maker

Can the freshmen contribute more than just a few minutes per game

How much have our big guys improved from last season

How much has price improved from last season

Kavanaugh will help tremendously inside as far as physical strength. Can he provide an offensive boost for the team

Can the team solve it's defensive problems that showed themselves all of last season

I haven't even listed all of the questions/issues

If everyone remains healthy and have improved during the off season we can finish in the top 3.
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If we are still a middle of the A10 team, even after the recent raid by the BE and the loss of Temple, I will be sorely disappointed.
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I see UD between 5 and 10. Toss up after first 4.

They are a year away if they have the right coach.
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I see UD between 5 and 10. Toss up after first 4.

They are a year away ifthof is the right coach.
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I think that is a good, unbiased prediction unfortunately
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I think it is hard to say where they will finish. Haven't seen Sibert yet, and Gavrilovich is the only multi-year AM player, and Gavs had mono last year, so I don't know if AM can develop his guys.

They went backwards last year, but they weren't anticipating Kavanaugh being out. I'll be optimistic and say 3rd place along with a NCAA bid. VCU, St. Louis, and then Dayton.

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If we are still a middle of the A10 team, even after the recent raid by the BE and the loss of Temple, I will be sorely disappointed.
Have to agree. middle of the pack again would mean no meaningful progress in a somewhat weaker conference. That would not bode well for the future of the program. I have no problem staying in the A-10, but would expect with the supposed improvement in talent that we would be in the hunt for championships not mid level finishes and NIT bubble consideration. Going to be a very interesting year.
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Considering they were bottom of the conference last year , middle is an improvement.

If Miller is the right coach and if the talent is really better, they are a year away from contending. VCU, LaSalle, SLU Are more talented and experienced. Probably UMass and SJU too but they haven't shown any real ability to put things together.
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Could be pessimistic.....

I am not the Flyer expert that you guys are. But, last season didn't UD go 0-7 in games decided by three points or less?

If so, it wouldn't have required much better play to have gone 4-3, for example. And adding Michael Jordan would not have been needed to go 6-1 or even 7-0.

If this year's team is better than last year's...not great, just better...and with a weakened A10, wouldn't it seem reasonable to expect a much better A10 record?

Just `askin.
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I am not the Flyer expert that you guys are. But, last season didn't UD go 0-7 in games decided by three points or less?

If so, it wouldn't have required much better play to have gone 4-3, for example. And adding Michael Jordan would not have been needed to go 6-1 or even 7-0.

If this year's team is better than last year's...not great, just better...and with a weakened A10, wouldn't it seem reasonable to expect a much better A10 record?

Just `askin.
I agree. No lower than fourth, and probably better than fourth.
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I can't speak for everyone on the board, but my skepticism is borne out of several years of uber preseason hype, a few early season wins over teams we probably shouldn't have beaten (followed up inexplicably by losses to teams we shouldn't have lost to), then a conference result that makes one wonder what all the hype was about.

I don't give a **** about preseason rankings, or in season rankings for that matter (although the Sportscenter highlights are nice). I want a program that's more focused on playing in the Dance (preferably past the first weekend) than where they rack against their peers before the first tip off.
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The A10 will not be weaker this year. Not much, anyway.
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The A10 will not be weaker this year. Not much, anyway.
Which is it, not weaker or not much weaker?
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I would go with not weaker. Long term, probably. Not this year. They didn't lose anyone likely to finish in the top 3 or get an at large bid.
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Bank on it!

Yeah, yeah we'll finish somewhere in the middle of the pack but in reality who really knows?? This year like years past we have a number of "ifs". One thing I will predict is that Devin Oliver will be a model captain. The fourth year senior has brought pride to the name on the jersey on both the front and the back.
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Originally Posted by UDBrian View Post
As usual we have a lot of unknowns:

How good is Jordan Sibert, can he be a difference maker

Can the freshmen contribute more than just a few minutes per game

How much have our big guys improved from last season

How much has price improved from last season

Kavanaugh will help tremendously inside as far as physical strength. Can he provide an offensive boost for the team

Can the team solve it's defensive problems that showed themselves all of last season

I haven't even listed all of the questions/issues

If everyone remains healthy and have improved during the off season we can finish in the top 3.
Brian, I agree with your list completely. My only change would be to move "solve its defensive problems" up from # 6 to ......absolutely and positively, without discussion....# 1. They must be able to stop teams from scoring at will. They couldn't do it last year and that contributed to a lot of losses, especially the close ones we all lament. If you can't stop the other guys in crunch time, you will almost certainly lose.

In two years Archie has shown himself to be a better than average offensive coach. And this year he should have plenty of players who can score. But if the defense doesn't improve, not just a little but a whole lot, even 5th or 6th place is a tad optimistic.
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I would go with not weaker. Long term, probably. Not this year. They didn't lose anyone likely to finish in the top 3 or get an at large bid.
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I disagree with this. The A10 is much weaker this year, but over the longer term, the league will be stronger than it will be this year. Butler, Temple, and Xavier were perennial contenders for at large bids. And I'd bet that Butler, Temple, and Xavier would have all seriously challenged for the top 3 spots in the A10 this year if they were all still in the A10.

The A10 replaced Butler, Charlotte, Temple, and Xavier with Davidson and George Mason and retained newcomer VCU.

I would say that the "new" 14 team A10 will be a little weaker than the traditional "old" 14 team A10 that did not have Butler and VCU but did have Charlotte, Temple, and Xavier.

Comparing new vs. old, you lost Charlotte, Temple, and Xavier but gained VCU, Davidson, and George Mason.

Butler doesn't really count since they were only in the league for one year.
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Yeah, yeah we'll finish somewhere in the middle of the pack but in reality who really knows?? This year like years past we have a number of "ifs". One thing I will predict is that Devin Oliver will be a model captain. The fourth year senior has brought pride to the name on the jersey on both the front and the back.
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ill just jump on here so im not starting another prediction thread but interesting write up here that has us 4th in a-10
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The Dayton Flyers will rely heavily on their wing play this season and returning starters Vee Sanford and Dyshawn Pierre. A combo guard, Sanford is the team’s top returning scorer while Pierre was Dayton’s most efficient three-point shooter last year as a freshman and is also aggressive on the glass. Add in Ohio State transfer Jordan Sibert and this trio could end up accounting for near half of the Flyers’ offensive production this year. Freshman Kendall Pollard adds even more depth on the wing.'

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Butler,Xavier and Temple arenot likely at large teams this year. That was my point. You replaced good but not NCAA teams with others that might be largely similar this year. The likely top 4 in the conference are still in the conference. I dint see how the conference is weaker THIS year. Longer term, yes.
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You have to ask if the top teams can continue winning:

Can LaSalle keep up its success, especially recruiting to its H/S gym? And what if Dr. John gets BCS offers and says goodbye?

Can SLU continue the success built largely by Coach Majerus? Wait and see. Crews was out of coaching altogether for a reason, and hiring Calbert Chaney seems to hint that they know he needs help.

The only school I'd bet the ranch on is VCU. And then, that's only if Shaka Smart stays. Sooner or later the wife is going to say, "Shaka, let's take the money and run."
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VCU has a pretty good foundation in place to keep rolling if/when Coach Smart leaves. I see them closer to a Butler/Xavier who can replace a coach like they did with Jeff Capel and Anthony Grant versus a program that will fall into obscurity.

I'm a doubter in Crews but if they make the NCAA's again this year he's got plenty of momentum, good facilities and with the graduation of Evans/Jett/McCall/Loe playing time to sell to recruits. That'll be his last job so there's no worry of him going anywhere

La Salle seems like they are loading up on transfers but I agree that their future isn't as certain

As for this year I think those three are the clear top of the class in the A-10. Chaz Williams alone almost makes UMass a factor. Richmond/St Joe's have talent but I think the jury is out on them

The Flyers have 3 freshmen and a transfer who are right now unknowns. What kind of leap do the 4 sophs make this year? That's 8 guys on the roster whose contributions could be all over the place
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LaSalle won't. Never have - unless we go back to ancient times in the 40s and 50s.

VCU has won for a significant period of time and through multiple coaching changes. It is not all Shaka Smart.

SLU is like UD. Lots of resources, but arguably even less to show for it, especially sans Majerus. They have the infrastructure to win but can figure out how to do so.

So the A10 is weaker, and significantly so, long term.
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Just show me some ball pressure from the guards and ill feel like UD has a shot. If the defense is same old Arch defense, the the Flyers are in trouble. Excuse years have officially expired for me. It's on coach solely from here out.
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I believe UD will finish 9-7 in the regular season in a tie for 5th place with UMass. They win the tie-breaker by beating them at home. If my vision comes true they will play St Bonaventure in the first round of the conference tournament at the Barclay Center in search of their 22nd win of the year. Go Flyers!
VCU, SLU, La Salle and Richmond will finish ahead of UD.
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FWIW, the new USA Today College BB magazine has the Flyers picked fourth in the A-10 behind SLU, VCU and La Salle, but ahead of UMass, SJU, URI, Richmond, the Bonnies, GM, Fordham , GW and the Dukes in that order. While we obviously have a lot to work on, especially on defense, IMHO, we could surprise a lot of people with our new found depth in the back court and heft up front. It's never too soon to dream...it could be a fun season. Please pass the Kook-Ade...bottoms up!
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Fourth would put us squarely on the NIT bubble, a position we know a lot about.
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I feel like Pierre should be mentioned more in this discussion. If he can show more of his little "moments of brilliance", he could be a major impact player. It is also likely he sees the floor more with MD's departure. DO also needs to step up.

I know the loss of KD concerns a bunch of people, but I am honestly not one of them. I thought Price showed nice composure playing General, and we have a boat load of "highly touted" guards. Someone better be able to pick up some slack. Furthermore, I was always left shaking my head at some of Dillard's questionable decision-making. I also like knowing Sanford is back.

Kav is a huge unknown, but we can count on his size and strength still being there - something we didn't lose with Benson's departure. I also expect to see our Columbus duo step up their game with increased play time and responsibility.

All in all, I expect very similar results to last season. If many of these unknowns turn in our favor, we could improve quite a bit. If they go the other way, we could be in trouble. My guess is we'll split the difference and be an 19-21 win NIT-caliber team.

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All in all, I expect very similar results to last season.
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I agree with the premise that Dillard was lost in thought a lot of times as the floor general, and therefore I won't miss him. I stress over a dumb team. The thing we've yet to see is how Jordan Sibert fits into the mix. My guess is he makes Dyshawn Pierre better, and vice-versa. I really look for Scoochie to make a strong bid for the starting PG position. We're going to need someone to get these stallions the ball. Vee Sanford coming back healthy should help us hit the ground running too. He's our upper-class presence on the court... I look for Jalen Robinson to take a step up in class. I'm not sure about Devon Scott keeping up with Jalen's progression as a sophomore. But I think he may have to keep carving his niche as the enforcer on this team. Just a smarter version, who is less prone to foul.. He has a good teacher in Kavanaugh.. The '14 recruits have me more excited than ever. I really think both could be the key components to push us up a notch.. Darrell Davis is a pure ball handler right out of high school. McElvene Looks to have that post presence that has been so rare and elusive at UD.. I'm hungry and ready to eat..
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I agree with the premise that Dillard was lost in thought a lot of times as the floor general, and therefore I won't miss him. I stress over a dumb team. The thing we've yet to see is how Jordan Sibert fits into the mix. My guess is he makes Dyshawn Pierre better, and vice-versa. I really look for Scoochie to make a strong bid for the starting PG position. We're going to need someone to get these stallions the ball. Vee Sanford coming back healthy should help us hit the ground running too. He's our upper-class presence on the court... I look for Jalen Robinson to take a step up in class. I'm not sure about Devon Scott keeping up with Jalen's progression as a sophomore. But I think he may have to keep carving his niche as the enforcer on this team. Just a smarter version, who is less prone to foul.. He has a good teacher in Kavanaugh.. The '14 recruits have me more excited than ever. I really think both could be the key components to push us up a notch.. Darrell Davis is a pure ball handler right out of high school. McElvene Looks to have that post presence that has been so rare and elusive at UD.. I'm hungry and ready to eat..

i guess Devin Oliver transferred out (due to lack of playing time) . . .

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i guess Devin Oliver transferred out (due to lack of playing time) . . .

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Either that or you can kiss my azz..

Nice . . .

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Nice . . .

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I think D-Mo will end his career on a positive note. His niche for rebounding is the primary thing that will keep him on the floor. If another player starts to show a penchant for the boards then I would look for his minutes to go down. He's a good scrapper, but he needs to play smarter..
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Talking Wellll . . .

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I think D-Mo will end his career on a positive note. His niche for rebounding is the primary thing that will keep him on the floor. If another player starts to show a penchant for the boards then I would look for his minutes to go down. He's a good scrapper, but he needs to play smarter..

This whole thread makes a good read at the conclusion of the regular season.
The Flyers really exceeded my expectations this year - I thought the NIT would be an improvement, and the NCAA tournament was just a pipe dream.

Oh - and Devin Oliver isn't done yet.

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*Reach the A10 semis and we'll call it a push...

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The Flyers really exceeded my expectations this year
They haven't reached mine: Top 4* A10 and NCAA bid.....yet!
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I predicted a NCAA bid, so I was right!

I was a little off on predicting 3rd place vs. 5th place though.

Edit: well ok, I'm technically not right just yet, but I will be proven right in 6 days!

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I predicted a NCAA bid, so I was right!

I was a little off on predicting 3rd place vs. 5th place though.
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Rollo - bump AM ahead BG as favorite UD coach?
Favorite but not best, right?
TB and DD run away with that honor - make your pick.
Rollo's favorite UD basketball coaches are, in order:

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Yeah, yeah we'll finish somewhere in the middle of the pack but in reality who really knows?? This year like years past we have a number of "ifs". One thing I will predict is that Devin Oliver will be a model captain. The fourth year senior has brought pride to the name on the jersey on both the front and the back.
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