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That is great. I hope he knocks it out of the park there.
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Good for him!

Now can we get them (South Fl) as a home and away series? Visiting SF in mid January would be great.
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
Good for him!

Now can we get them (South Fl) as a home and away series? Visiting SF in mid January would be great.
Have you seen USF play? They would be as big of anchor as Duquesne.
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Global warming. When the poles melt and the seas rise, UCF will be the new Florida southern coast. Don't blame me...Al Gore said so!
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Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
Good for him!

Now can we get them (South Fl) as a home and away series? Visiting SF in mid January would be great.
I am not interested in a home and home series with them, they are not very good.




Good luck to BG, IMO, this is going to be a very tough assignment for him, USF just has not ever been very good.

They have had a final rpi of 52 or better just once from the 1993-1994 season until now.


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2016-2017 8-23 0.4435 273 0.5222 107
2015-2016 8-25 0.4661 229 0.5482 67
2014-2015 8-23 0.4435 273 0.5222 107
2013-2014 12-20 0.4685 231 0.5094 135
2012-2013 12-19 0.5101 156 0.5715 28
2011-2012 19-13 0.5763 52 0.5689 27
2010-2011 10-23 0.5022 155 0.5834 17
2009-2010 20-12 0.5626 71 0.5483 62
2008-2009 9-22 0.4833 190 0.5630 39
2007-2008 12-19 0.4930 179 0.5361 84
2006-2007 12-18 0.4788 192 0.5204 112
2005-2006 7-22 0.4570 236 0.5408 74
2004-2005 13-16 0.4908 170 0.5108 127
2003-2004 7-20 0.4603 222 0.5273 94
2002-2003 14-14 0.5194 127 0.5258 91
2001-2002 19-12 0.5533 75 0.5334 81
2000-2001 18-13 0.5333 103 0.5176 103
1999-2000 17-13 0.5220 128 0.5072 138
1998-1999 14-14 0.5119 130 0.5158 112
1997-1998 17-13 0.5182 120 0.5020 130
1996-1997 8-19 0.4549 211 0.5078 118
1995-1996 12-16 0.4966 153 0.5193 96
1994-1995 16-11 0.5439 87 0.5276 90
1993-1994 10-17 0.5164 122 0.5651 36
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Have you seen USF play? They would be as big of anchor as Duquesne.
USF being around the water I would expect an anchor to be involved. Besides Rollo must be able to get pic's of their cheerleaders ... with sun tans NO?


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South, North, East, West, Central it doesn't really matter if they claim geographic neutral!
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I am not interested in a home and home series with them, they are not very good.

Good luck to BG, IMO, this is going to be a very tough assignment for him, USF just has not ever been very good.

They have had a final rpi of 52 or better just once from the 1993-1994 season until now.
It an't there schedule, team or RPI rating. It's about the cheerleaders!
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It an't there schedule, team or RPI rating. It's about the cheerleaders!
King Rollo votes 'yes'.

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I went to see USF play Georgetown when I lived in Tampa. It was a decent nondescript arena as I recall. There's no reason he can't consistently be in the top half of the conference. That would be a huge improvement.

I wish him well and hope he gets the program to the point that it is mutually advantageous to schedule them.
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It an't there schedule, team or RPI rating. It's about the cheerleaders!
Neither their cheerleaders nor their dance team can make up for the KenPom/RPI drag USF would be on UD. But Rollo will like one of their dance team outfits.

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But in all seriousness that would be a drastic improvement for USF
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In all seriousness, that would be a typical upgrade for Brian Gregory as well.

I have fears that USF makes one NIT, you Gregory lovers will want to bring him back post Miller's departure. I'm practicality not kidding.

Knowing UD luck and fortunes, USF goes to the big east with BG as HC.
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In all seriousness, that would be a typical upgrade for Brian Gregory as well.

I have fears that USF makes one NIT, you Gregory lovers will want to bring him back post Miller's departure. I'm practicality not kidding.

Knowing UD luck and fortunes, USF goes to the big east with BG as HC.
USF is a football school so they will not be going to the Big East. They were actually pretty good this year under Willie Taggart who then got the Oregon job. USF just wants somebody to come in and clean up the mess they have and deal with potential NCAA sanctions. Gregory is probably the right guy to come in and clean up a program in their situation.
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USF is a football school so they will not be going to the Big East. They were actually pretty good this year under Willie Taggart who then got the Oregon job. USF just wants somebody to come in and clean up the mess they have and deal with potential NCAA sanctions. Gregory is probably the right guy to come in and clean up a program in their situation.
So what you are saying is that lack of an offense is the least of their problems right now.
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Obviously my big east remark was a joke regarding UD'S pathetic infatuation with the big east. I certainly didn't think the BE would have an ounce of interest in USF, football or no football.
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In all seriousness, that would be a typical upgrade for Brian Gregory as well.

I have fears that USF makes one NIT, you Gregory lovers will want to bring him back post Miller's departure. I'm practicality not kidding.

Knowing UD luck and fortunes, USF goes to the big east with BG as HC.
Give it a rest. That ship has sailed and will not return. It is time for you to move on and let it go.
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Good luck to bg. Florida should have a good population of players with lots of potential. If bg can hit on d ome of those hr could be successful. I know that bg always focuses on defense but he needs to spend some of that time now on offense some type of motion offense
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Good luck BG. Regardless of any opinion of his coaching skill, he was a great ambassador for UD and the city of Dayton. Really hope he does well.
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Hey it doesn't matter to me who USF hires. I'm just reminded of how many of you swore on your first born that Gregory knew more about basketball in his pinky than everyone else does in their whole body.

With that said, I do agree Coach Gregory will be an excellent compliance oriented administrator, and maybe he helps USF stabilize their prigram.

You fellas are correct, he deserves another shot at his coaching dream. But he has to admit fault and stop blaming every loss on his players; and he definitely needs a top senior assistant with prior head coaching experience, and who knows offensive sets. Otherwise his tenure at USF ends just like his last two stops.

Do you think Coach Gregory is open to these needs and concerns?
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Hiring announcement in the link below...includes comments from the USF AD and President and BG himself.


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Based on that horrific RPI history, maybe USF will just be thrilled with top-100 finishes and lots of NITs. I mean, at least that's a start for them.

There are worse places to live than Tampa. Seems like a win-win.
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Hope they got a center that has perfected the weave, guards that cant shoot and walking and talking offensive fouls. He needs to get an offensive consultant of something.
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I'm assuming his family still lives in Atlanta right now???
Anyone know if he moved out of Atlanta prior to USF hiring?
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Hey it doesn't matter to me who USF hires. I'm just reminded of how many of you swore on your first born that Gregory knew more about basketball in his pinky than everyone else does in their whole body.

With that said, I do agree Coach Gregory will be an excellent compliance oriented administrator, and maybe he helps USF stabilize their prigram.

You fellas are correct, he deserves another shot at his coaching dream. But he has to admit fault and stop blaming every loss on his players; and he definitely needs a top senior assistant with prior head coaching experience, and who knows offensive sets. Otherwise his tenure at USF ends just like his last two stops.

Do you think Coach Gregory is open to these needs and concerns?
I really don't care....
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Can we just be gracious fans and wish him well? He worked hard to represent our school and our community. He didn't win all the basketball games you wanted him to. . .so that gives you all a right to bang on him, be snarky, be sarcastic? I thought we were great basketball fans. . . .only if we win, huh?

I for one wish him much success.
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And while we're at it, why don't we just give everyone a participation trophy?

Sorry the truth hurts. I'm sure we'll be back in this position someday of being middle-of-the-pack, but watching BG's teams waste so much talent was possibly more frustrating than every non-NCAA season between JOB, OP, and BG combined.
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In other words, you know he isn't open to it at all. At-least he never has been.
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Folks, not everyone is great at what they do as a profession. BG is simply good at what he does. There's no need to throw around exaggerated adjectives.

Think about where you would line up with the 350 or 400 top professionals in the country at your chosen profession. Maybe you're lucky enough that you would be in the top 25. Likely not. Being #75 or #100 ain't so bad. That would probably make you a very happy person, and wealthy enough to provide for a generation or 2.

Let the man do what he loves to do at a place that will employ him to do so.
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Can we just be gracious fans and wish him well? He worked hard to represent our school and our community. He didn't win all the basketball games you wanted him to. . .so that gives you all a right to bang on him, be snarky, be sarcastic? I thought we were great basketball fans. . . .only if we win, huh?

I for one wish him much success.
It's just not in some people. The haters and know it alls will always think they have it all figured out.
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Originally Posted by GoFlyer View Post
Can we just be gracious fans and wish him well? He worked hard to represent our school and our community. He didn't win all the basketball games you wanted him to. . .so that gives you all a right to bang on him, be snarky, be sarcastic? I thought we were great basketball fans. . . .only if we win, huh?

I for one wish him much success.
Many of us wish him success but it won't come unless he focused more on offense. As Red Auerbach said a long time ago "if you can't put the ball in the basket you can't win"

I actually made the comment regarding offense because I hope he still reads this board and considers some changes to make himself more successful.

I don't know how anyone could wish BG anything but success even if things didn't work out here.
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I think he could do better without a dramatic improvement in half court offense. The change would have to be on the defensive end. A commitment to creating live ball turnovers. Sound positional defense, rebound and break has been the MO. He had the guys at UD to succeed with trapping and forcing tempo. But he wZcontent to allow less athletic teams to slow the game.

The current UD is a bit like that. Half court O is ok. They thrive on live ball TOS. Takes those away and games can grind.
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The program was in a better place when he left than when he arrived. That should be good enough to wish a former coach well.

There was still plenty of room for improvement after he left. What I think too often gets lost is that the program could have slid backwards just as easily, and probably easier, when it was time for him go. And it was time. I think almost anyone can see we have made another step forward but there is still room to grow.

There are some on this board that view almost everything thru rose colored glasses. Not in my nature. When they get going, i usually just roll my eyes and roll forward. Then there are those pinhead protectors of keeping real. The schleprocks and eyeores of UD Pride.

It's not that difficult to recognize someone helped the program without reaching the level it is capable of reaching. Seems like wishing that person well, especially if they represented the University and profession with dignity and exuberance, is reasonable for alumni of fine Catholic institution.
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Cut the guy a little bit of slack. Every coach has their weaknesses even the great AM. Focus on the good things he did here. Made us relevant again in the postseason even if it was in the NIT as well as the NCAA.

And let's not forget he sent 3 (!!!!!!!) Flyers to the NBA. Whose the last Dayton coach to do that.

And most importantly BG was a heck of a guy and really integrated in the Dayton community. Only wish the guy the best, he deserves it.
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The program was in a better place when he left than when he arrived.
I am not trying to be that guy, but is that really true? People always say that BG built on what Purnell did, but if you look back, their numbers were very similar. I will give it to BG, he definitely upgraded the talent that was recruited to UD.

Purnell went to 4 straight postseasons his last 4 years, 2 NCAA tournaments and 2 NIT's. His last year was an NCAA Tournament. OP made the post season 5 of his last 6 years.

BG's went to the NCAA tournament his first year with OP's players. BG's last 4 years were 3 NIT's and 1 NCAA. BG only went to the postseason 4 of his last 6 years. Take away OP's first year and the numbers are shockingly similar.

Not trying to start anything, no bashing. I just can see why some are not as high on BG as others. I wish BG the best and hope he is at USF a long time.
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You summarized my thoughts.

I to this day will tell you Oliver Purnell was the better coach and did more with less. OP brought us back from oblivion and did more with less, BG did less with more.

That said, BG was an awesome guy,awesome recruiter and a fantastic ambassador for the program. There isn't a soul on this board who isn't rooting for him and his success.

Speaking of BG, does anyone else find it hilarious that LaVar Ball is making Billy Staten look like a hands off parent? Poor Lonzo. Hes a good,quiet kid and he has to answer for his dad's loudmouth
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I to this day will tell you Oliver Purnell was the better coach and did more with less. OP brought us back from oblivion and did more with less, BG did less with more
Yet BG has something on his coaching resume OP never will - a win in the NCAA tournament
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Neither their cheerleaders nor their dance team can make up for the KenPom/RPI drag USF would be on UD. But Rollo will like one of their dance team outfits.

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I am not trying to be that guy, but is that really true? People always say that BG built on what Purnell did, but if you look back, their numbers were very similar. I will give it to BG, he definitely upgraded the talent that was recruited to UD.

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Based on your numbers, your point is taken. However, looking objectively:

Overall winning % at UD

OP .547
BG .647

Winning % Last 5 Years

OP .638
BG .671

Wins Last 2 years in position:

OP 33
BG 42

Wins Last 5 years in position:

OP 99
BG 116

Tournaments Last 3 years in position

OP 1 NCAA
BG 1 NCAA, 1 NIT (Championship)

That's a better position.

I want to be clear. I am not saying I think BG was the better coach of the two. But I do think the program was in a better place to move forward. As I stated in my previous post, I think BG took us as far as he was capable and that it was time for the program to move on. But I think he helped the program move forward and put us in position for Archie to be able to recruit the types of players that he has. I don't think he should be worshiped but I certainly don't think he should be torn down. He was a stepping stone that represented the program and University with dignity and enthusiasm.
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Yet BG has something on his coaching resume OP never will - a win in the NCAA tournament
Oliver Purnell was given the keys to a Plymouth Duster. Gregory was given the keys to a Corvette.

My point is, Purnell squeezed every bit of talent out of his roster. BG squandered CW. CW should have been way better.

I sometimes wonder if BG defenders attended the Senior Night loss to LaSalle, or any of that season
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USF is a football school so they will not be going to the Big East. They were actually pretty good this year under Willie Taggart who then got the Oregon job. USF just wants somebody to come in and clean up the mess they have and deal with potential NCAA sanctions. Gregory is probably the right guy to come in and clean up a program in their situation.
Kinda like the mess he walked into at GT, probation, scholarship reduction, no home court for a year.
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If you are of the mind that BG didn't take the program forward--the "BG did less with more" idea, I think you're missing something important.

OP wasn't a good coach he was a great coach. He got more out of average talent than just about anyone. But that was the thing. We were never going to be a truly successful program based on coaching alone. We just weren't getting the Jimmy's and Joe's to compete consistently.

Then BG came. Recruits who came on visits were no longer the most athletically talented players in the pickup games. The parents of recruits didn't look around and say "we played against better talent than this in some high school games." OK I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point. BG broke the very real and very difficult psychological barrier that you shouldn't go to UD if you were an athlete. "Those guys just don't go to UD."

Then BG left. Now AM can show recruits that we have athletic talent + your son is going to be coached in the game of basketball + we're going to win games + we're going to reach the post season.

Forget winning % in the last 3 years. Each one of those was a step forward. OP's was really hard. BG's was really hard. AM's is really hard.

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I am sure someone can did up an old thread (one of many) that goes through all these points. Nothing new here in the debate. Nobody is changing BG camps. He was what he was.
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BG squandered CW. CW should have been way better.
A lot of what people critique Gregory for I agree with. But not this one. CW has had a long time to round out his game in terms of ball handling, perimeter shooting and decision making to get to a level to stick on an NBA roster. He has an NBA body and well above average NBA athleticism. It hasn't happened, despite the fact that he could work on it 24/7/365. Maybe, it's just not there.
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A lot of what people critique Gregory for I agree with. But not this one. CW has had a long time to round out his game in terms of ball handling, perimeter shooting and decision making to get to a level to stick on an NBA roster. He has an NBA body and well above average NBA athleticism. It hasn't happened, despite the fact that he could work on it 24/7/365. Maybe, it's just not there.
Amen. Some people have no talent and some have talent for certain aspects of the game, only a few have all around talent. Wright was blessed with super human jumping, but average dribbling and shooting. I can practice forever and not shoot under 80 at Augusta.
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I kinda agree with the CW discussion. At first I thought he would eventually develop his game but after these many years one of two things may be at his disadvantage:
1) he hasn't developed all the skills needed to be a regular in the NBA
2) he has developed those skills but he has grown 'stale' to the NBA

Now I am not trying to bash him here ... in #1 it just is what it is. He can be a good player somewhere doing what he does best ... it just is not what the NBA seeks. In #2 as time passes the 'new models' come out from the draft and placed on teams ... each year these new models look younger and better than some of the models in the back lots. Teams are always looking for the new models and even forget about the prevent versions.

The fact that BRob got his chance after playing in Europe is a testament to him. But I bet BRob's story is about the 1% that can do what he did.
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I think this is a great spot for him and wish him well. He will bring energy to the program and then gave him six years to do it. Recruiting in Florida for USF must be difficult with Florida, FSU, Miami, Florida Gulf Coast and Central Florida. I would doubt there is immediate pressure to have a winner like at Georgia Tech. I don't know the nature of the team he inherits or any NCAA problems or issues but this could be like when he helped to bring us back. If some of the recruits consider revoking acceptances, he has the personality and drive to convince them to stay. Now I have a college basketball team to route for in Florida.
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Wins Last 2 years in position:

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Purnell won 45 games his last 2 years.


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BG will be back in the area now at least once a year, playing at Cincinnati.



And I should not have said that USF has not ever been very good.

They have NCAA appearances in 1990, 1992, and 2012.

They have NIT appearances in 1981, 1983, 1985, 1991, 1995, 2000, 2002, and 2010.

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Oliver Purnell was given the keys to a Plymouth Duster. Gregory was given the keys to a Corvette.

My point is, Purnell squeezed every bit of talent out of his roster. BG squandered CW. CW should have been way better.

I sometimes wonder if BG defenders attended the Senior Night loss to LaSalle, or any of that season
OP's last four losses in the Ncaa tournament were as a 4, a 5 and twice as a 7 seed. When you are favored you can no longer use the excuse you are rebuilding to explain lack of post season wins

And about that Corvette can anyone remember OP's last recruiting class he left BG?

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USF is an absolute mess. They hired their last coach on the rebound after it was discovered the original hire had falsified his education on his resume. Then they fired him mid-season this reason amongst rumors of an academic scandal. Their best player left in the beginning of the season and their second best player is going the grad transfer route. And now they are embroiled in a controversy with one of the players mother after the interim coach left 2 players at the airport coming home from a road trip. They are higher in the Florida food chain than UCF and FGCU. And they have a pretty decent but aging on-campus facility to play in. So there is plenty of upside.
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OP's last four losses in the Ncaa tournament were as a 4, a 5 and twice as a 7 seed. When you are favored you can no longer use the excuse you are rebuilding to explain lack of post season wins

And about that Corvette can anyone remember OP's last recruiting class he left BG?
Probably as good as the 1 BG left Archie. Henton and Gibson left, Staten and Spearman transferred. Both coaches left at good times for themselves personally with lack of recruiting for OP and seat getting warm/Staten's Dad for BG.

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Probably as good as the 1 BG left Archie. Henton and Gibson left, Staten and Spearman transferred.
I never claimed BG left Archie a program that was equivalent to a Corvette which was what my comment was responding to . . .
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OP did not make 4 NCAA Tournaments. He made 2. One as an 11 against Purdue and a 4, against Tulsa. I have no idea what he did at Radford or Old Dominion but it wasnt a 5 or 7 . I get that your one of the "Glen Clark's" of the board, no critical comments allowed, they are amateur athletes,let them coach, they shouldn't be booed.....blah blah blah. They are grown men. And if i pay for thge seat i reserve the right to voice my displeasure with results. OP was the superior coach to me and that will never change. BG was a great person and an average coach at best. Leave the butthurt at the door bro....*****ing and complaining is part of sports

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Uhhh - some of those were at Clemson.
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Uhhh - some of those were at Clemson.
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I was counting Purnell at Radford, Old Dominion and Dayton only. I gave no attention to his Clemson stint or DePaul for that matter. I misunderstood how it was presented, on that i was wrong. Its a tiresome argument. It frustrates me that people can't grasp that you can like a coach,like what he does as an ambassador and like certain facets of his coaching, i.e defending,rebounding and recruiting, yet can call a spade a spade in regards to his overall coaching acumen especially on the offensive side of the ball. i never felt disappointed after a Purnell year. I never felt cheated after a Purnell year. Chris Wrights Junior year (Huelsman,London and MJ's class) was an embarrassing abomination. Culminating in the crushing home loss to StL on senior night. NCAA or bust. NIT was irrelevant.

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Wish him well, that area is a nice part of Fla and could use a good program

In terms of Fla program we should schedule So Fla is not the school I'd want to play, its Miami, better program, prettier campus, and MUCH better looking cheerleaders , I spent a semester there in 2001 working on a PhD before coming back to Asia. Too bad they don't support the program
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I never felt disappointed after a Purnell year.
I did. The losses to Tennessee State and the blowout loss to Detroit in the NIT. The mediocre performance in the A10 after the 99-00 NCAA appearance. Tulsa in the NCAA as the highest seeded team to lose in the first round.

OP was great at rebuilding the program. He was very good at that until he met his match at DePaul. But UD was also at a plateau. I don't think we were ever going to be better than we were. NCAA occasionally, NIT most years.

I think it's debatable which job is tougher - rebuild after JOB, or move from the level of a top 60 team to a top 40 team at a place like UD. Given the resources and commitment, I think many competent coaches could have restored respectability. Moving from there to perennial NCAA may actually be harder. That's not to dismiss what Purnell did as he excelled in what he was charged with.

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I sometimes wonder if BG defenders attended the Senior Night loss to LaSalle, or any of that season
Source? Aren't you talking about the 2008 Flyers, who beat St Louis by one on senior day and went to the NIT Quarterfinals? Yeah, don't talk about that season... at least not unless you have your facts right.
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Source? Aren't you talking about the 2008 Flyers, who beat St Louis by one on senior day and went to the NIT Quarterfinals? Yeah, don't talk about that season... at least not unless you have your facts right.
In the 10-11 senior night we lost to SLU by 18 in a game we were big favorites. That was Wright's senior night. 09-10 we also lost to SLU on senior night by 5. In 08-09 (NCAA year we played we beat Duquesne on senior day. I do not remember a year we lost to LaSalle on senior day/night under BG.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
In the 10-11 senior night we lost to SLU by 18 in a game we were big favorites. That was Wright's senior night. 09-10 we also lost to SLU on senior night by 5. In 08-09 (NCAA year we played we beat Duquesne on senior day. I do not remember a year we lost to LaSalle on senior day/night under BG.
Thank you for clarifying because I could tell there was some misremembering there.
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I have a faint recollection of a senior day loss to LaSalle under OP. Maybe 98-99.
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BG hired Scott Wagers, an assistant coach from Jacksonville University, as an assistant coach.


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Anyone else going to take another shot at BG? I could be wrong but was that NIT championship run not one of the most fun memories in the past 20 years? Yeah it wasn't the NCAA tourney run but that was a special group who mowed down power conference team after power conference team wearing those black jerseys and playing some of the most fun and high flying basketball that we've seen at Dayton. Give the guy a little bit of credit
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Anyone else going to take another shot at BG? I could be wrong but was that NIT championship run not one of the most fun memories in the past 20 years? Yeah it wasn't the NCAA tourney run but that was a special group who mowed down power conference team after power conference team wearing those black jerseys and playing some of the most fun and high flying basketball that we've seen at Dayton. Give the guy a little bit of credit
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I don't think a team that severely underachieved can be one of the most fun memories of the last 20 years when we have 8 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years. So in my opinion it is at best, 9th.

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Anyone else going to take another shot at BG? I could be wrong but was that NIT championship run not one of the most fun memories in the past 20 years? Yeah it wasn't the NCAA tourney run but that was a special group who mowed down power conference team after power conference team wearing those black jerseys and playing some of the most fun and high flying basketball that we've seen at Dayton. Give the guy a little bit of credit
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The 5 game run through the NIT included 2 road games so it makes it much more impressive.

One thing that isn't mentioned about that team is that we were jobbed by the NCAA selection committee. Our Sagarin rating at the end of 2010 season was 85.79 good for #25 and an RPI of #36. The Elite 8 team's Sagarin was 84.67 which was #33 and an RPI rank of #33.
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I don't think a team that severely underachieved can be one of the most fun memories of the last 20 years when we have 8 NCAA appearances in the last 20 years. So in my opinion it is at best, 9th.
It was way better than all the one and done in the NCAA so it is in 4th place.
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Did you watch the games. Did you enjoy the victories?
I watched a couple games on TV because nothing else was on. I didn't enjoy them because it ticked me off that they finally decided to show up once there was no pressure on them. They choked that season away.

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It was way better than all the one and done in the NCAA so it is in 4th place.
No Way!! Simply participating in the NCAA tournament is a million times better than winning the NIT!
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I watched a couple games on TV because nothing else was on. I didn't enjoy them because it ticked me off that they finally decided to show up once there was no pressure on them. They choked that season away.

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Originally Posted by UDEE79 View Post
It was way better than all the one and done in the NCAA so it is in 4th place.
I'd take a loss in the play-in game over a NIT Title. I bet more people, right now, could tell you who played in the play-in game this year than the final 4 of the NIT.
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No Way!! Simply participating in the NCAA tournament is a million times better than winning the NIT!
For one, it's far more money to the athletic department.
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