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Old 05-12-2021, 12:51 PM
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A10 vs MTW Challenged

I am hearing the A10 Vs MTW challenge is no more. Is anyone else hearing this?
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I saw a tweet saying it wouldn't be played in 21-22.
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John R from CBS Sports Network has it on twitter as well.

Time to call the MVC or American and work something out for non-con.
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John R from CBS Sports Network has it on twitter as well.

Time to call the MVC or American and work something out for non-con.
Call Wright State, lol, they are predicted by ESPN to win the Horizon League again in 21-22.
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Call Wright State, lol, they are predicted by ESPN to win the Horizon League again in 21-22.
LOL is right. Sign us up for a Top 100 NET victory, if we're fortunate, that will bring little to no value or differentiation to our at-large resume.
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LOL is right. Sign us up for a Top 100 NET victory, if we're fortunate, that will bring little to no value or differentiation to our at-large resume.
More like top 75, q1 if a road game, q2 at home...but if the victory is not valued because they are not on the bubble, then fine, don't schedule them.

I thought the q1, q2 stuff was independent of being a bubble team though? So q1/q2 only matters if the opponent is on the bubble?

This past year was a 1 time, short notice exception due to covid, UD was not imo going to get anything better on such short notice, might as well try to get a q1 or q2 win, even if they are not a bubble team...UD needed more games.

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More like top 75, q1 if a road game, q2 at home...but if the victory is not valued because they are not on the bubble, then fine, don't schedule them.

I thought the q1, q2 stuff was independent of being a bubble team though? So q1/q2 only matters if the opponent is on the bubble?

This past year was a 1 time, short notice exception due to covid, UD was not imo going to get anything better on such short notice, might as well try to get a q1 or q2 win, even if they are not a bubble team...UD needed more games.
The committee has started using (WAB) Wins Above the Bubble as a means of weeding out the "paper" NET ranking teams, which WSU certainly is/was. Is it/was it Q1/Q2? Sure, but it was adding nothing but fluff to our resume. The are simple facts.

I get your agenda, you want to play the game, the Gem City Jam. And you saw some NET#'s that perhaps elevated your mission. But such a win does almost nothing for UD.

I agree, in a Covid scheduling year like last year, it at least appeared the game might get some momentum, on the surface and logic alone suggests. Not playing it didn't give me or most Flyers a second thought. And it it wasn't some egregious missed opportunity either.
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The committee has started using (WAB) Wins Above the Bubble as a means of weeding out the "paper" NET ranking teams, which WSU certainly is/was. Is it/was it Q1/Q2? Sure, but it was adding nothing but fluff to our resume. The are simple facts.

I get your agenda, you want to play the game, the Gem City Jam. And you saw some NET#'s that perhaps elevated your mission. But such a win does almost nothing for UD.

I agree, in a Covid scheduling year like last year, it at least appeared the game might get some momentum, on the surface and logic alone suggests. Not playing it didn't give me or most Flyers a second thought. And it it wasn't some egregious missed opportunity either.
I will look into WAB.

Debatable imo if it was egregious...had we been on the bubble, a win over them may have been a difference maker amidst last year's craziness, it just felt lazy to me to not do it, we needed more quality games.
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I will look into WAB.

Debatable imo if it was egregious...had we been on the bubble, a win over them may have been a difference maker amidst last year's craziness, it just felt lazy to me to not do it, we needed more quality games.
While last year may have been an opportunity to pick up a game with WSU given the unique circumstances, characterizing the AD or coaching staff as lazy is bathsh!t crazy talk.
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While last year may have been an opportunity to pick up a game with WSU given the unique circumstances, characterizing the AD or coaching staff as lazy is bathsh!t crazy talk.
It was definitely lazy, I do not retract my comment, had I been in charge, then 100% I would have scheduled a home and home with them last year starting at WSU in order to try to get the q1 win, then try to get the home game q2 win at UD this year.

IMO, Neil has just done an average job of scheduling, we are consistently not having the #1 ooc SOS in the A10, iinm, we are usually 3rd or 4th.

And if we miss the ncaat this year, Grant will be 1/5, ESPN so far is not impressed with our incoming recruiting class. We will see, I may end up being wrong about Grant.

Do not think Neil deserves all the gushing accolades he gets on here: average scheduling and an iffy hire so far.

We had the best stretch in program history under Archie, but Neil tried to reinvent the wheel and hired Grant, when we could have just stayed the course with one of Archie’s assistants.

I am sure Neil is a nice guy though, nothing personal.
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It was definitely lazy, I do not retract my comment, had I been in charge, then 100% I would have scheduled a home and home with them last year starting at WSU in order to try to get the q1 win, then try to get the home game q2 win at UD this year.

IMO, Neil has just done an average job of scheduling, we are consistently not having the #1 ooc SOS in the A10, iinm, we are usually 3rd or 4th.

And if we miss the ncaat this year, Grant will be 1/5, ESPN so far is not impressed with our incoming recruiting class. We will see, I may end up being wrong about Grant.

Do not think Neil deserves all the gushing accolades he gets on here: average scheduling and an iffy hire so far.

We had the best stretch in program history under Archie, but Neil tried to reinvent the wheel and hired Grant, when we could have just stayed the course with one of Archie’s assistants.

I am sure Neil is a nice guy though, nothing personal.
Maddog and udscott are over in the corner, waiting for you to finish washing their cars and picking up the dry cleaning.

Neil and CAG are are 14 months removed from NATIONAL AD and Coach of the Year honors and the first two words you're using to describe them are average and iffy.

I won't even get into the complexities and challenges that go with UD Basketball scheduling, as well as the revenue stream to fund essentially all athletics. Based on your above post, it's apparent you're misunderstood, uninformed or generally ignorant to situation, so I won't bother with even attempting to outline such.

And if the almighty ESPN isn't enamored with our new recruits, then maybe we should just cancel the season altogether.
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It was definitely lazy, I do not retract my comment, had I been in charge, then 100% I would have scheduled a home and home with them last year starting at WSU in order to try to get the q1 win, then try to get the home game q2 win at UD this year.

IMO, Neil has just done an average job of scheduling, we are consistently not having the #1 ooc SOS in the A10, iinm, we are usually 3rd or 4th.

And if we miss the ncaat this year, Grant will be 1/5, ESPN so far is not impressed with our incoming recruiting class. We will see, I may end up being wrong about Grant.

Do not think Neil deserves all the gushing accolades he gets on here: average scheduling and an iffy hire so far.

We had the best stretch in program history under Archie, but Neil tried to reinvent the wheel and hired Grant, when we could have just stayed the course with one of Archie’s assistants.

I am sure Neil is a nice guy though, nothing personal.

Thanks for the info. You've never said any of this before. But, yeah, our recruiting class isn't much, just ranked 12th in the country.
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It was definitely lazy, I do not retract my comment, had I been in charge, then 100% I would have scheduled a home and home with them last year starting at WSU in order to try to get the q1 win, then try to get the home game q2 win at UD this year.

IMO, Neil has just done an average job of scheduling, we are consistently not having the #1 ooc SOS in the A10, iinm, we are usually 3rd or 4th.

And if we miss the ncaat this year, Grant will be 1/5, ESPN so far is not impressed with our incoming recruiting class. We will see, I may end up being wrong about Grant.

Do not think Neil deserves all the gushing accolades he gets on here: average scheduling and an iffy hire so far.

We had the best stretch in program history under Archie, but Neil tried to reinvent the wheel and hired Grant, when we could have just stayed the course with one of Archie’s assistants.

I am sure Neil is a nice guy though, nothing personal.
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Imagine spending $70M on a renovation and knowing the First Four is a major recurring revenue stream unlike any other opportunity for any other school in CBB that helped justify the investment, and then having it completely taken away from you for two years in a row. Nevermind the TBT. Nevermind the loss of season ticket sales, concessions, merchandise, etc. Especially at a basketball-only school without scholarship FBS football and leans most-heavily on MBB revenue streams and other MBB hosting and tournaments.

I doubt there are five other MBB programs in the country that were punished more severely from Covid in terms of size of the punch to the size of the program. A lot of things are on Neil's plate right now. Doing jujitsu damage control on a financial fustercluck of biblical proportions. Trying to get everybody graduated and out the door in good health. Figuring out the second-seniors decisions and working out how to pay for it. Dealing with Bernie and the A10. Dealing with Dewine and the CDC's mandates, NCAA on-the-fly flexing and mandates, blah blah blah. Right now I doubt he's interested in evaluating Grant's latest signings given whats on his plate. Scheduling is one of them but Dayton is both an attraction and distraction for opponents. We play ONLY top-tier exempt tourneys, but we cannot control the fields, cancellations, or replacement teams. We've played Ole Miss, Miss. State, and Auburn of late. The MWC/A10 deal looked good but one AD cannot stop a pandemic or the entire conference direction and decision making.

If anybody sat on the job for three days, Im sure they'd realize its far more complex and complicated than it appears. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You get from one area and it takes from another. There is no free lunch. One has to balance pros/cons and often choose the best of the worst available options.

When UD doesnt make the NCAAs, the scheduling rarely ever holds us back. The lack of Ws do. The quantity of bad losses do. Some schedules provide more margin than others but the buck stops with the players and coaches.
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Is this sketch comedy?
Agree ud2 is a funny guy. Set in his ways and never changes his mind. Coach of the year was an "iffy' hire, funny stuff. At times, he is sort of a scotty lite.
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Agree ud2 is a funny guy. Set in his ways and never changes his mind. Coach of the year was an "iffy' hire, funny stuff. At times, he is sort of a scotty lite.
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I really find it humorous on line that some people think that all they have to do is post a thought and it makes it true. We see that from a handful here. I have to admit that this site is one of the better I have run into as far as self policing but sometimes you just get tired of the same BS coming from 5 people. They are obviously here just to disrupt and I will never understand that. What joy do you get out of making stuff up just to be on the other side of logic? Please get a life like the rest of us have. Why don't the handful of you start your own website so you can post there and promote the little game you play amongst yourselves.

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