The New and Improved On Topic Obi Toppin Thread

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Flyers98 But what is "what he deserves" based on, other than the fact that you (and I) love Obi Toppin? He has not gotten an opportunity to show what he deserves. His stats shot way up in the last 7-10 games of the season but those were basically meaningless games against late season call ups. I am not saying he deserves $5 million or $40 million (well not $40M because that is what Durant makes and he made Obi look like a broken fence gate the last time they played Brooklyn). I am just saying that until he gets a new coach or a new team we won't know what he deserves. Everybody wants and deserves to paid what they are worth, but in the interim while there is a pay structure in place, I could make do on $5M per year, especially knowing that I am not putting a bunch of miles on and getting beat up every other night. It will happen, I mean somebody paid Mike Connolly like $120M over the course of 5 years.

I think you're missing what I'm saying. I'm simply making the point that if someone says "you should be happy making $5M per year" it's possible, at least hypothetically, that they would NOT be happy. I was not attempting to reach the conclusion that he's worth more than $5M per year. Maybe he should be ecstatic to even be getting a paycheck to carry the water bottles, that's not my point. My only point is don't automatically say that if someone is making $5M per year then they should just shut up (which is not what you said) because someone else somewhere is making $50K per year. That's all.

[Furio]

Knicks sign center Mitchell Robinson to 4 year 60 million dollar deal.
wow

[Flyers98]

Originally Posted by Gazoo I think you're missing what I'm saying. I'm simply making the point that if someone says "you should be happy making $5M per year" it's possible, at least hypothetically, that they would NOT be happy. I was not attempting to reach the conclusion that he's worth more than $5M per year. Maybe he should be ecstatic to even be getting a paycheck to carry the water bottles, that's not my point. My only point is don't automatically say that if someone is making $5M per year then they should just shut up (which is not what you said) because someone else somewhere is making $50K per year. That's all.

I gotcha I was just responding to the statement to the effect that Obi is a cheap underpaid option for the Knicks right now. I was just saying that I didn't think $5M a year for 14 mins a game was cheap or underpaid, while recognizing that his lack of minutes is not due to a lack of ability. I agree that a someone could be making $5M per year and conceptually be grossly underpaid.

[Swampy Meadows]

The Jazz and the Knicks are in trade discussions for All Star guard Donovan Mitchell. Danny Ainge is said to be looking for primarily #1 draft picks—which the NYK have. Is it too much to ask for them to include Julius Randle in the deal?
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[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows The Jazz and the Knicks are in trade discussions for All Star guard Donovan Mitchell. Danny Ainge is said to be looking for primarily #1 draft picks—which the NYK have. Is it too much to ask for them to include Julius Randle in the deal? Posted via Mobile Device

I would like to see a starting lineup of Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin and Mitchell Robinson.

[MrFlyerFanatic]

Caught a very short clip of the Knicks Summer League game yesterday. Only one play actually. I don't know any of the players names, so bear with me.

The Knicks had a break. The guard pushed up court with a man on his left who pointed toward the rim. The guard tried to take it himself and was called for a charge.

Here is how I imagine a conversation should go on the bench:

Coach: IF you make the regular season roster and Obi Toppin points at the rim on a break like that, throw the **** ball toward the rim.
Player: ......

[Medford]

While I agree with your "how it should go" conversation... here is the real conversation on the bench:


"if Obi is running the court and throws his hand up in the air, that means find Randle and get him the ball so we can work on our black hole offense" errr.... at least I assume that is how the conversations go on the bench based upon what I've seen.

[AZFlyer85]

Originally Posted by MrFlyerFanatic Caught a very short clip of the Knicks Summer League game yesterday. Only one play actually. I don't know any of the players names, so bear with me. The Knicks had a break. The guard pushed up court with a man on his left who pointed toward the rim. The guard tried to take it himself and was called for a charge. Here is how I imagine a conversation should go on the bench: Coach: IF you make the regular season roster and Obi Toppin points at the rim on a break like that, throw the **** ball toward the rim. Player: ......

Player: BUT THIBS WANTS ME TO PASS THE BALL TO RANDLE!

[Swampy Meadows]

Jazz Reportedly Asking Knicks For Three Players, Six First-Rounders In Mitchell Talks

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/07/...ell-talks.html

Obi, IQ and Quentin Grimes plus six 1st Round draft picks for Donovan Mitchell?

How about "NO!?"

[podcast411]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Jazz Reportedly Asking Knicks For Three Players, Six First-Rounders In Mitchell Talks https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/07/...ell-talks.html Obi, IQ and Quentin Grimes plus six 1st Round draft picks for Donovan Mitchell? How about "NO!?"

How about - F@ck No!!!!!

[SeasonTicketFan]

This might be part of the Obi dilemma in New York.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...a2cab341145587

[TXFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Jazz Reportedly Asking Knicks For Three Players, Six First-Rounders In Mitchell Talks https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/07/...ell-talks.html Obi, IQ and Quentin Grimes plus six 1st Round draft picks for Donovan Mitchell? How about "NO!?"

If it got Obi out of NY and into a spot where he can start, then I'm all for it. Either he or Randle has to go.

[TheDuke2003]

Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan If it got Obi out of NY and into a spot where he can start, then I'm all for it. Either he or Randle has to go.

Obi would thrive in an offense centered around Brunson and Mitchell. Randle only works in an offense that goes through Randle, and we've seen how that goes. The problem is the Knicks think they should get a big return if they traded Randle, and no one is giving up assets for him.

[Chris R]

Lots of smoke w/the Jazz trade tonight...lets wait and see. The amount the Knicks want to give up for Donovan Mitchell is just preposterous. One guy doesnt lead you to the NBA Title. Were that the case Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing would have a handful of rings on their hand. The Knicks are hopeless. Its like the Herschel Walker trade if they make it happen. They already have one overpaid prima donna on the team in Randle. Knicks fans will come unglued.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan This might be part of the Obi dilemma in New York. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...a2cab341145587

Simple question: if you were an NBA exec, would you want Randle on your team for $26M per year?



Easy answer. No. He's expensive at half the price. 20/10 doesn't matter, he doesn't make the players around him better.

[TheDuke2003]

Originally Posted by Chris R Lots of smoke w/the Jazz trade tonight...lets wait and see. The amount the Knicks want to give up for Donovan Mitchell is just preposterous. One guy doesnt lead you to the NBA Title. Were that the case Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing would have a handful of rings on their hand. The Knicks are hopeless. Its like the Herschel Walker trade if they make it happen. They already have one overpaid prima donna on the team in Randle. Knicks fans will come unglued.

I'm hoping Obi is included in any trade and the Knicks hang onto Randle. That organization is just ran like a dumpster fire, maybe Obi can show out on a rebuilding team like the Jazz are about to be.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Simple question: if you were an NBA exec, would you want Randle on your team for $26M per year? Easy answer. No. He's expensive at half the price. 20/10 doesn't matter, he doesn't make the players around him better.

Well said.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

The perfect trade

Thibs and Randle to any team on the west coast (late start time, reduces chances I watch) for a beer vendor, custodian, and 3rd round draft pick!

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan The perfect trade Thibs and Randle to any team on the west coast (late start time, reduces chances I watch) for a beer vendor, custodian, and 3rd round draft pick!

Asking an awful lot there for those 2 aren’t ye?
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[Swampy Meadows]

From The Knicks Wall: What is a Obi Toppin’s fate if no trades happen?

https://theknickswall.com/whats-obi-...no-trade-come/
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[SeasonTicketFan]

My inside info from the Jazz. The Knicks initiated the request for Mitchell and the Jazz made huge demands. The Knicks want Mitchell, but at what price? Obi along with so many draft choices gave the Knicks heartburn.

The deal was reported a done deal a week ago and has not happened. They obviously did not complete it (yet?). So the tweet last week was very premature.

Now you see more rumors about Mitchell and other teams. The Jazz are listening to any offer for every player on the team.

[Medford]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/k...-than-reality/


Sounds like Grimes is the sticking point. If/when the Knicks and Jazz come to an agreement on a deal for Mitchell, sounds like Obi is most likely to be included in said deal.

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

I want to see Obi and Julius play together. I hope this is streamed tonight.

Tweet:
Tonight around 7:45 pm
Everyone pop out to @HostosCollege tonight for @procitynyc, as @obitoppin1,@J30_RANDLE
@IQ_GodSon
& the newest member of the
@nyknicks,
@jalenbrunson1, will be in the building! Early arrival is advised & vaccination cards are required!

Saw another tweet that said it might possibly be covered at the link below (If logistics could be worked out)
https://www.youtube.com/knicksfantv

[Swampy Meadows]

So it looks like Obi, Julius Randle, IQ and newly acquired Jalen Brunson will be playing in the ProCity playoffs tonight in NYC at 7:45pm.

Supposedly this dude is gonna stream it on YouTube:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CPTheFanc...30754557779970

Lifelong beat me to it by 2 minutes. Well done!
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[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

This link seems to be the best I've found. Now says it starts at 8:10pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpPo7XYe0o

[FlyingArrow]

Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan This link seems to be the best I've found. Now says it starts at 8:10pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpPo7XYe0o

Well, I can tell they're playing basketball. That's about as much as I can see.

[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow Well, I can tell they're playing basketball. That's about as much as I can see.

Your eye sight must be a little better than mine!

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow Well, I can tell they're playing basketball. That's about as much as I can see.

Dang, that's like trying to watch scrambled Cinemax back in the day.

[Swampy Meadows]

Brunson to Obi for a triple:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...17267488342020

[Swampy Meadows]

Obi windmill:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...CzhceI95orAAAA

[Swampy Meadows]

Julius Randle, Jalen Brunson and Obi Toppin hooping together in NYC

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/s...36038730928128

[podcast411]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/...tm6xa14aihasai

Obi wound up with the most points out of him (25), Randle (18) and Brunson (24).

Link above has a video with 2 minutes of highlights. Including a Nice pass from Obi to a cutting Randle - sure hope Thibs was watching. And there was a between the legs dunk as well.

[Medford]

For better or worse, Obi is not going to Utah...


The cavs just traded for Donovan Mitchell.

[Swampy Meadows]

I’m sure Obi’s family is relieved. Not sure how his situation is going to improve, barring a Randle trade. We shall see.
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[podcast411]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows I’m sure Obi’s family is relieved. Not sure how his situation is going to improve, barring a Randle trade. We shall see. Posted via Mobile Device

Rumor is Randle is gone - not happy being 3rd option behind RJ and Brunson. Likely will be gone before the pre-season starts. But it is NY so take rumors for what they are worth.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by podcast411 Rumor is Randle is gone - not happy being 3rd option behind RJ and Brunson. Likely will be gone before the pre-season starts. But it is NY so take rumors for what they are worth.

That’s what’s so mystifying about Obi’s lack of playing time. Obi can produce stats but is also willing to do whatever to help the team win. He’s not gonna force it when his matchup isn’t good or his game is off that day. He’ll find other ways to contribute and facilitate others. Why wouldn’t you want a guy like that in the center of your game plan?
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[San Diego Flyer]

Link above has a video with 2 minutes of highlights. Including a Nice pass from Obi to a cutting Randle - sure hope Thibs was watching. [/QUOTE]

If Thibs was watching, it's unlikely it would have any consequence based on tons of previous Obi showings previously. I don't think Thibs has the first or the last word on Knick moves.
His personnel moves are becoming legendary and reek of ineptitude.

[Flyer68]

I live in NJ. NY Knick basketball scene has been very quiet over last month or more. Most of publicity in NY area has been on the Nets and Durant.

[Swampy Meadows]

Obi and the NYK on TNT right now, as in Tuesday night.

#1 scores 8 points on 4-9 shooting (0-4 from three) grabbed 6 boards and had 3 assists in 22 minutes.

Highlights:

https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/1577439358906503169

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...DSud3toOQrAAAA

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...CjodvAmuQrAAAA

[Flyers98]

It was sort of a tough watch. Obi was out there at least trying to run some offense, everyone else was just trying to take their man one on one. Preseason, oh well.

[Swampy Meadows]

Obi hit a three: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...Cj-djhjOgrAAAA

And a leaner: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...CjpajIjOgrAAAA

And a bank finger roll: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...Cj3Z7UjegrAAAA

Plus blocked a shot: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...Ci7YCQi-grAAAA

On his way to 10 1st half points

And added the infamous Eastbay between the legs whammer jammer in the 2nd half:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...CjzfP9lOgrAAAA

Which drew this reaction from MSG:

https://twitter.com/dan_ny_b/status/...DS2e_blOgrAAAA

Then #1 broke out for two jams in a row. Here are both of them:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMSGN/statu...60015933267969

He later buried a trey:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...Cj6efdlugrAAAA

and stole the ball and windmilled it home:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...Ci3bCVl-grAAAA

He finishes with 24 points and as the NYK leading scorer

[Glen Clark]

Start him!

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Whether your glass is half full or half empty, you still have more to drink

[Brad S.]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Start him!

From your lips to Thibs' ears!

[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by Brad S. From your lips to Thibs' ears!

who happens to be deaf.
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[BeckysTXA]

Every time Obi beats the opponents down the court for a jam, his teammates don’t have to make the trip to the offensive end. He’s gotta be the most popular guy on the team for that fact alone. Take this play off…Obi’s got it.

[podcast411]

FYI - the URL for the large image is:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fegv6kAX...jpg&name=large

[podcast411]

After the game last night there was one really telling comment from Obi in the post game interview - he said to RJ that he sees this from him every day. SO WHY THE F IS THIBS NOT PLAYING HIM MORE. Obi looked great last night - Now it is up to the Front office to figure things out - because Thibs just does not seem willing to play Obi and Randal together. One of them has to go. And by One I mean - Randle, Obi or Thibs

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by podcast411 FYI - the URL for the large image is: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fegv6kAX...jpg&name=large

Is that Obi dunking on Luka Garza?

Nope, but here is such a photo:

[Chris R]

Every time Thibs says something about defense and that Obi needs to earn court time by playing good D, I roll my eyes. All the stat gurus have run the stats frontward and backward and when Obi is on the court both he and the Knicks have a better defensive efficiency than when he's not on the court. They are also much much better in offensive efficiency. Thibs doesn't have the metrics (of any kind) to back up his claims and never has -- no matter how many airballs Obi shoots.

And even if Obi was a defensive liability (and he's not over 40min), he makes up for it in spades on offense by literally handing Thibs free baskets in transition almost no one else in the NBA can produce.

[Swampy Meadows]

Those shots that Obi tipped didn’t block themselves.
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[Swampy Meadows]

Closing this thread. Please use the “Third year’s the Charm” Obi Toppin thread from now on.

Thanks!