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Per a blogger who covers Louisville basketball, 6'10" center Zach Price who played sparingly for the Cardinals in two seasons, was on UD's campus this weekend.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_ChrisHat...0826243073?p=v
He would have two years of eligibility after sitting out a year. From Cleveland area originally. Very highly regarded out of high school - Ranked No. 56 nationally in the ESPN 100, 67th by Rivals.com, No. 63 by USA Today, and 65th by Scout.com.
bio - http://www.gocards.com/sports/m-bask...ce_771527.html
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2 Prices on the same roster. I would approve.
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It appears he was highly regarded out of HS but has failed to live up to the billing so far. I think he started 6 or 7 games last year when Deng was injured yet really didn't put up many points.
A change of scenery would probably do him well. If given a choice between him and Sheldon Jeter, I think I'd rather have Jeter. That said, you don't find many highly sought after 6-10, 250 lb guys visiting your campus...
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If I understand this correctly he could receive Matt Derenbecker's scholarship during the upcoming season. We would still have three scholarships available. Sounds like a good plan to me
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I'd pass on the Louisville kid...nothing in his past tells me he's tough enough to contribute here.
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Originally Posted by springborofan
It appears he was highly regarded out of HS but has failed to live up to the billing so far. I think he started 6 or 7 games last year when Deng was injured yet really didn't put up many points.
A change of scenery would probably do him well. If given a choice between him and Sheldon Jeter, I think I'd rather have Jeter. That said, you don't find many highly sought after 6-10, 250 lb guys visiting your campus...
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Originally Posted by rollo
I'd pass on the Louisville kid...nothing in his past tells me he's tough enough to contribute here.
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Honestly, Price doesn't excite me much either. But it's the right position to add to the roster. I can't fault Price for getting buried behind a talent like Deng. His teammates at Louisville speak very highly of him.
And as far as his level of skill goes, we only have a couple of things to go off of. First, there's the ratings, which are not a great indicator and even less relevant for a transfer... But obviously the scouts saw something. Secondly, we know that Pitino isn't going to take a big who isn't skilled. And he's generally a pretty good evaluator.
So I think there has to be something there. The worry I always have is how long does it take to get it all firing again. When it's all said and done, it's three years of rust, and then two years of undoing the rust. We'll see how it works out with Sibert I guess.
Anyhow, I give it a good shot of happening. It was the kid's first visit. So the coaching staff got on him quick and heavy obviously after Matt announced he was leaving.
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I'd pass on the Louisville kid...nothing in his past tells me he's tough enough to contribute here.
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Would he have been someone UD would have loved coming out of High School?
Has his play deteriorated while at Louisville or has he just not progressed as much as hoped?
How does his game translate in the A-10 where big men are more of a premium that in the ACC?
These are question the UD coaching staff might be able to answer but not you or I.
There are no guarantees of success but if the questions are answered positively then he is worth the scholarship.
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Was Sheldon ever even considering Dayton?
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He's from Beaver Falls, where Sean, Archie and their legendary high school coach of a father are part of the basketball mythology. Archie recruited him hard out of high school.
The kid wants to play for Pitt. But to do so, he would have to pay his own way. Here's the recent news on the matter:
http://www.cardiachill.com/2013/6/17...gs-jamie-dixon
If you're comparing resumes, Jeter's is definitely better in my opinion. You get three years of him vs. two years of Price. He's more of a forward than a center, but he's proven.
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Would he have been someone UD would have loved coming out of High School?
Has his play deteriorated while at Louisville or has he just not progressed as much as hoped?
How does his game translate in the A-10 where big men are more of a premium that in the ACC?
These are question the UD coaching staff might be able to answer but not you or I.
There are no guarantees of success but if the questions are answered positively then he is worth the scholarship.
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Actually, I think it's reasonable to answer 2 out of 3 of those questions. On paper, Zach Price was a top 70 talent who is 6'10" and athletic. I'm sure Dayton wants those guys coming out of high school if they are good character kids. His teammates say good things about him. Don't think he's ever gotten in trouble. As for number 2, it's obvious he hasn't lived up to the Louisville coaching staff's hopes for him. Rick Pitino doesn't just take a guy to be a practice body.
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I believe it was reported out of high school he was interested, but that was back when his offers were from Chattanooga, Temple, St. Joes and Dayton or something like that. Then folks from the BCS conferences started calling. When he announced he would transfer from Vandy, there was never mention of any school besides Pitt I don't think. Which makes sense if Pitt tampered as has been alleged. So as far as I know, it's wishful thinking at this point. But with a glimmer of hopes perhaps given his personal history, hometown, Archie's previous recruitment of him, etc.
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Originally Posted by springborofan
It appears he was highly regarded out of HS but has failed to live up to the billing so far. I think he started 6 or 7 games last year when Deng was injured yet really didn't put up many points.
A change of scenery would probably do him well. If given a choice between him and Sheldon Jeter, I think I'd rather have Jeter. That said, you don't find many highly sought after 6-10, 250 lb guys visiting your campus...
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think I prefer Jeter also. Got plenty o minutes, plus decent scoring/reboundingfor his first year.
Price had 11 & 7 his high school senior year, however had deep thigh bruise part of the season. Might help in a year....so def worth a look
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OK, now another question.. I have heard/read about a couple SF's that we have interest in, are we in on any Post (PF/C) players?
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Originally Posted by springborofan
It appears he was highly regarded out of HS but has failed to live up to the billing so far. I think he started 6 or 7 games last year when Deng was injured yet really didn't put up many points.
A change of scenery would probably do him well. If given a choice between him and Sheldon Jeter, I think I'd rather have Jeter. That said, you don't find many highly sought after 6-10, 250 lb guys visiting your campus...
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think I prefer Jeter also. Got plenty o minutes, plus decent scoring/reboundingfor his first year.
Price had 11 & 7 his high school senior year, however had deep thigh bruise part of the season. Might help in a year....so def worth a look
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I'd pass on the Louisville kid...nothing in his past tells me he's tough enough to contribute here.
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Agree. I don't know why we would want an athletic, 6'10" kid who was ranked #67 nationally and was a 4 star recruit (Rivals) coming out of high school who was recruited by Archie and Rick Pitino, and wasn't quite good enough to crack the lineup of a National Championship team. Let's go get a better 6'10" kid. They are all over the place just waiting to come to UD.
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6'10" athletic big men don't average 11 ppg in HS...regardless, I don't want him for the same reason Louisville doesn't want him.
If you're capable, think about it.
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6'10" athletic big men don't average 11 ppg in HS...regardless, I don't want him for the same reason Louisville doesn't want him.
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The thing about a center is someone has to get him the ball. If he cleans the defensive glass, throws an outlet to a guard, and that guy has jacked up a shot 3 seconds later, he's not going to score much more than 11 ppg.
Before the knees gave out which sadly happened before his career really began, Greg Oden was amazing. Good centers are impossible to find. You wouldn't pass on a talent like Oden would you? He averaged 14 ppg his senior year of high school. Then he goes to college for a year and he is the #1 overall pick.
Obviously, I'm not saying Zach is Greg Oden. Heck, as I said above, I wouldn't expect him to be much more than serviceable, and nothing to get me excited about. But when it comes to point guards and big men, you have to look at more than scoring averages.
But I'm guessing you're really just not impressed with how much he can lift... right?
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Whether AM gets either of these kids or not, I think it confirms the logic of keeping a scholarship available for transfers. These are kids that probably wouldn't come to UD out of HS that could have a productive second half to their college careers at UD. AM doesn't have a chance if he doesn't have an opening.
A lot of Xavier's success over the past 5-7 years was built on kids that transferred in.
Obviously, there has to be a strong vetting process so you aren't stuck with someone else's problem child. So far, I think AM has been good at that when you think of Jordan, Matt, and Vee. All seem to be good kids.
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Jordan Dickerson was on our list a year ago, along with Auburn, Providence, others, including SMU which won over the 7 footer.
My how a year changes things. Larry Brown didn't see what he thought he saw in Dickerson, and apparently that was enough for Jordan to leave SMU.
Haven't heard a peep out of his re-recruiting efforts, and that includes UD. When guys like Pitino and Brown give up on players really early, one can't help but take notice. We went after the kid from Vanderbilt who transfered to tOSU. Did he ever get off the pine?
Not saying we should never look at these big guys, but proceed with caution---which initially might be wothy of nothing more than a visit and a look.
If one recruits a 6'11" player that has already been rejected elsewhere, better be sure there is something in the top 11 inches.
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Originally Posted by rollo
6'10" athletic big men don't average 11 ppg in HS...regardless, I don't want him for the same reason Louisville doesn't want him.
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Being able to contribute at Louisville in the old Big East is different than being able to contribute at UD in the A10. Think of it in reverse - how many recent players that started and contributed at UD would have gotten significant minutes at Louisville?
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Jordan Dickerson was on our list a year ago, along with Auburn, Providence, others, including SMU which won over the 7 footer.
My how a year changes things. Larry Brown didn't see what he thought he saw in Dickerson, and apparently that was enough for Jordan to leave SMU.
Haven't heard a peep out of his re-recruiting efforts, and that includes UD. When guys like Pitino and Brown give up on players really early, one can't help but take notice. We went after the kid from Vanderbilt who transfered to tOSU. Did he ever get off the pine?
Not saying we should never look at these big guys, but proceed with caution---which initially might be wothy of nothing more than a visit and a look.
If one recruits a 6'11" player that has already been rejected elsewhere, better be sure there is something in the top 11 inches.
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Dickerson transferred to Penn State.
His teammate, 6-10 center Blaise Mbargorba, transferred to Boston University.
No mention of UD with either one of these players I presume because at the time UD did not have an open scholarship.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...to-penn-state/
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Dickerson transferred to Penn State.
His teammate, 6-10 center Blaise Mbargorba, transferred to Boston University.
No mention of UD with either one of these players I presume because at the time UD did not have an open scholarship.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...to-penn-state/
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Dayton steered clear of Mbargorba for Bucky. That's a name that cannot be pronounced, no matter how many bud lights have been consumed. The living legend would have quit on the spot. Heck, it would take at least three "check thats" for Hartsock to get through the first syllable. Best for all involved really.
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With Price, we would have 3 post players in next years Junior class. That kinda shoots having balance in your class spacing.
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class spacing is great, but right now, UD has no one to play in the post next year (at least traditionally speaking) outside of Gavs, Scott & Robinson. They'll need at least a "body" that can play down there for practice, injury. All the better if that "body" can actually play. Class spacing is great, in an ideal world, UD lives in a world far less than ideal, you live with what you can make work.
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It's not unusual for a high mid-major to man the post by committee. In fact more the norm.
Each will have some of what the coach desires, but not everything. That's why Arch gets the big bucks. He's got to make it work.
He's got pieces this season. Kav is an offensive rebounder and big body. Robinson is a nice finisher around the bucket. Scott has toughness beyond words. It's called development.
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Before the knees gave out which sadly happened before his career really began, Greg Oden was amazing. Good centers are impossible to find. You wouldn't pass on a talent like Oden would you? He averaged 14 ppg his senior year of high school. Then he goes to college for a year and he is the #1 overall pick.
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Just checking in early summer to see what's up and saw this comment above; so I considered all facets of the Greg Oden story; you all know it, seemingly came out of nowhere, looked older than stated age, looked like a man among boys, ... And had knees to match. So I asked my 8-ball if he was indeed over 40 years old and the response was "All signs point to yes!"
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Holy Botox!! Oden didn't come out of nowhere...he was dunking in 7th grade...won 3 consecutive HS state championships, national player of the year as a junior (20 ppg, >9 rpg, >3 bpg) and senior (14 ppg due to knee surgery), a McDonalds AA....blah, blah, blah.
It's a shame his knee(s) were so fragile because when healthy, he was worth the price of admission.
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Holy Botox!! Oden didn't come out of nowhere...he was dunking in 7th grade...won 3 consecutive HS state championships, national player of the year as a junior (20 ppg, >9 rpg, >3 bpg) and senior (14 ppg due to knee surgery), a McDonalds AA....blah, blah, blah.
It's a shame his knee(s) were so fragile because when healthy, he was worth the price of admission.
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Aaahhh...but Rollo...do you REALLY KNOW where Greg Oden was in the 6th grade? Maybe he had been stashed away in some monastery in an old Eastern Bloc country for 12 years and came out as a 25 year old 7th grader--coming out of nowhere, so to speak, to dazzle the North Indianapolis JR HS circuit!
It WOULD explain why he could dunk in the 7th grade and his decrepit old knees...
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Holy Botox!! Oden didn't come out of nowhere...he was dunking in 7th grade...won 3 consecutive HS state championships, national player of the year as a junior (20 ppg, >9 rpg, >3 bpg) and senior (14 ppg due to knee surgery), a McDonalds AA....blah, blah, blah.
It's a shame his knee(s) were so fragile because when healthy, he was worth the price of admission.
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So he started grade school in his 30's? Happens all the time in Appalachia...
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Maybe it's just me, but I saw Oden play Xavier in the NCAA tournament, and it looked like he was really loafing at times. It seemed like he didn't really care, like he didn't even want to be there. Seemed like he had an attitude problem. His loafing/attitude problem seemed quite obvious to me.
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Maybe it's just me, but I saw Oden play Xavier in the NCAA tournament, and it looked like he was really loafing at times. It seemed like he didn't really care, like he didn't even want to be there. Seemed like he had an attitude problem. His loafing/attitude problem seemed quite obvious to me.
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Count me as one who hopes Oden doesn't transfer to Dayton. Sounds like from all the above comments he brings a lot of baggage. You would expect for his age (based on the carbon dating of his knees) that he would have more maturity. If we are going to take a transfer I prefer Calvin Murphy.
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Holy chocolate thunder!
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If we are going to take a transfer I prefer Calvin Murphy.
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Did I miss something??? Did we have campus visits by Greg Oden, Chocolate Thunder and Calvin Murphy???
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Originally Posted by oldfan
Count me as one who hopes Oden doesn't transfer to Dayton. Sounds like from all the above comments he brings a lot of baggage. You would expect for his age (based on the carbon dating of his knees) that he would have more maturity. If we are going to take a transfer I prefer Calvin Murphy.
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I actually met Calvin when I was a young man, and he could shoot from anywhere on the court-think he averaged around 38 per game at Niagara (same year Maravich was scoring 44 per game). We could also use him for our halftime entertainment at no cost, as he was a world champion baton twirler.
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I hope Dayton gets their first choice out of the players they recruit.
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Sometimes the second choice guy turns out better than the first choice guy. I just hope whomever chooses to suit up for the Flyers ends up being the right fit to take them to the next level.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
I just hope whomever chooses to suit up for the Flyers ends up being the right fit to take them to the next level.
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Holy baby steps!
Screw the next level..we're so low the 'next level' means the CBI!
We need recruits - AND COACHES - that can get us to the highest level...the NCAA's! Any level besides that isn't enough.
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Uummm, could we talk campus visits for a second?
Campus visits are an intriguing piece of the recruiting puzzle. On my only visit to the UD campus in 100 years several years ago, I was blown away by the facilities, the overall campus beauty, and the progressive vibes it gives off.
However, talking only from a recruit standpoint, there are many factors which mitigate the effect of all of the above. One is that MOST big-time basketball programs "get it" when it comes to the material surroundings that upper tiers must have to recruit competitively.
Secondly, there are precious few intense games where the Arena is rocking to show how that place can go off. You know the ones I'm talking about (X).
So sure, we can show off the campus "brick and mortar" as all programs do, but that one huge advantage of a full house on hyper-drive during a live game is limited. Then there is the winter crud that sets in where not everything shows it's best face. Also the availability of your best sales people, ie. your team, is sometimes a challenge. This is only a smattering of 100 things that, as a coach, you want your recruit to be exposed to. A book could be written on that. And the more stars a recruit has, the higher number of those 100 better be good if Dayton is to have a chance.
All it points out is that a lot of planets have to line up correctly to show our optimum face to a recruit on a planned visit. It's not a slam dunk that a visit will hit the recruit's hot buttons. Then there is the totally unlevel playing field. John Calipari at Ky doesn't need but a handful of points to be articulated on a 5 star recruit visit---like available Freshman minutes on a team full of 5 stars, Final Four, NBA, Kentucky track record. Game over.
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Are we running the risk of becoming "Transfer Tech?"
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Well if Xavier does it it must be OK.
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bobber, given the state of college BB today, with hundreds of transfers per year across the landscape, it doesn't seem as if UD has a disproportionate amount of kids transferring in or out. URI, GW and Duquesne on the other hand, seem to have been at the heart of transfer-junction the the last couple of years. While the elite programs have pretty much been immune from "transferitis", even Duke and UofL have participated in (and benefited from) transfers, so it shouldn't be much if any concern. Comparatively speaking, we've generally had a pretty solid group of kids, but AM had to shore up our roster after BG's departure, so I think we'll be fine.
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06-21-2013, 10:21 AM
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I remember several years ago, SI had their preason top 20 w/ a blub on each team and a 10 year snapshot. Within that seasons preseason top 20, it averaged out to right about 1 transfer per school per season over those 10 years. The transfer rate may have risen slightly, since then, but everyone should expect UD or any school they follow to lose about 1 kid a season due to tranferring. I don't think UD is any better or worse in the rate they lose kids to transferring out.
As far as accepting transfers, with so many kids looking to leave their former school for a multi-tude of reasons, UD would be wise to hold open a spot for a kid that is looking for a better fit. UD is nicely placed in that regard to get highly rated HS talen that didn't work out for the BCS schools for whatever reason. Kid still gets a big time atmosphere (perhaps even better than the BCS school they're leaving) while getting a fresh start. It also stands to reason that if you have a full allotment of 13 scholarships, your never going to make everyone happy in terms of playing time. Having a transfer on the bench means you've got a legit NCAA talent for practices that isn't creating a playing time issue for everyone else. I've got to imagine have Darenbecker, Siebert, Dilliard, etc... as the "scout" team leaders during their redshirt season has to be a nice benefit.
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Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN)
6/23/13, 2:41 PM
Louisville transfer Zach Price told ESPN he has visited Dayton and Purdue -- and plans to visit Minnesota and Missouri.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN)
6/23/13, 2:41 PM
Louisville transfer Zach Price told ESPN he has visited Dayton and Purdue -- and plans to visit Minnesota and Missouri.
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It looks like he visited Butler over the weekend also. The below Scout article says that he will make a decision by July 6th. Is the July 6th deadline something that he established or is that some sort of NCAA rule?
http://purdue.scout.com/2/1301788.ht...pxaVD8.twitter
http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/20...r-the-weekend/
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According to the two articles cited, "he wants to play substantial minutes". Assuming he sits out a year, he should be able to accrue ample playing time in 2014 - 15 in a UD uniform. My gut says we don't have much of a chance against the likes of Purdue, Minnesota (Pitino connection) or Butler. But then again I thought we would lose both Pierre and Pollard in the recruiting process.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
It didn't hurt Xavier or Gonzaga.
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Xavier missed the NIT. I just love saying that.
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Can some one cover what a "visit" entails. Do they stay in campus housing, do a shoot around, are they assigned a current player as "host", dinner at the Pine Club, etc.?
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[QUOTE=ud2;313182]My previous post was wrong, apparently his visit to Butler over the weekend was cancelled, so I guess Dayton is in his final 4.
http://butler.scout.com/
I visited this Butler site and found the following:
Butler offered Zionsville (IN) High School Derrik Smits earlier this month and became his first offer. Now Smits is gathering more information about other schools by taking unofficial visits.
This is Rick Smits (7'5" former center for the Pacers) son. He is 6'10" and will be entering his junior year. I have no idea if he is any good but my guess is that he must be pretty good if Butler has already offered.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kentuck...8957--spt.html
I assume he'll be heading back west to be closer to home, but another name to drop in the ring.
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You'd think so... But Wiltjer has played on various Canadian national teams with Dyshawn Pierre. So I suppose it's possible.
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yeah, thats the only reason I bothered to post it, I have no idea how close they are, if Dyshawn would drop him a text to check out UD/that they have opening or not. If he's still on campus at UK, perhaps UD has a shot, if Dyshawn has a decent relationship, if he's already back home in Oregon, I can't imagine he wants to fly out to the midwest.
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Small sample size, but it seems like more Canadians is the way to go.
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Kentucky sophomore forward Kyle Wiltjer has drawn interest from Gonzaga, Portland, Texas, Stanford, Oregon and Oregon State after he announced Monday on the Wildcats' website he was exploring the option of transferring, sources told ESPN.com.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...eaves-kentucky
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Small sample size, but it seems like more Canadians is the way to go, EH?
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Fixed it for you . . .
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
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Louisville transfer Zach Price told ESPN he has visited Dayton and Purdue -- and plans to visit Minnesota and Missouri.
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Zach Price has signed with Missouri. Oh well, on to the next player.
https://twitter.com/theJPrice/status/351444140380274691
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