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Like the sounds of this...”Obi to Jacob, back to Obi for the slam” or....”Obi to Jacob, to Obi...back to Jacob for the slam”...”The Toppins have 13 dunks between them tonight”
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Don and Ken May
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Sign on the dotted line, Jacob.
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Originally Posted by Lifelong Flyer Fan
Don and Ken May
Tommy and Gordy Hatton
Sign on the dotted line, Jacob.
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Weren't Don and Ken May cousins?
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No. They are brothers.
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Just curious for those that follow such things closer, what other schools are in on Jacob?
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Just curious for those that follow such things closer, what other schools are in on Jacob?
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Low majors, plus Rhode Island. But the kid looks legit.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
There is this secret official visitor boys and girls
Matthew Schwade
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According to a source, 2019 Woodstock Academy forward Jacob Toppin, brother of @otoppin1, is currently on an official visit to @DaytonFlyers.
cc: @coreyevans_10
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ohhhh my gosh!! oh my goodness!.... lock him down! am I thinking too far ahead peeps? let's say he does sign with us, does that mean that Obi comes back for 1 more season, or are they independant of eacyh other... sorry for the spelling, having a bad eye day today...
so would this mean Obi is coming back, or that really doesn't mean that? wondering
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I believe Obi's propensity to stay would be a bit higher if his brother comes here...or vice-versa.
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Someone mentioned fathers and sons - the Uhls.
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Originally Posted by steverino015
ohhhh my gosh!! oh my goodness!.... lock him down! am I thinking too far ahead peeps? let's say he does sign with us, does that mean that Obi comes back for 1 more season, or are they independant of eacyh other... sorry for the spelling, having a bad eye day today...
so would this mean Obi is coming back, or that really doesn't mean that? wondering
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One doesn’t relate to the other that anyone on here can confirm
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Obi is such a great person and (apparently) teammate. I love watching him interact with others on the court. If Jacob is even half that, he would be a welcome addition indeed.
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Kareem Reid a 2020 Foward out of Putnam Science Academy just reclassified 2019.
Dayton was recruiting him for 2020
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Final Five for Jacob (per Obi's instagram):
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My guess is his decision is coming in the near future
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
Final Five for Jacob (per Obi's instagram):
Dayton
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Oklahoma State
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My guess is his decision is coming in the near future
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So in the next week or so, Obi and Jacob announce at the same time they will both be Flyers next year. That same night I hit the MegaMillions Jackpot.
Life is good for the Flyers, and me!
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Toppin is doing a 5th year at Woodstock?
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Someone mentioned fathers and sons - the Uhls.
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The Donohers.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
Someone mentioned fathers and sons - the Uhls.
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Originally Posted by ud69
The Paxsons, The Harrises
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The brothers Allen (Pat & Mike)
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The Brothers Karamazov? Oh sorry, thought we were just doing famous brothers.
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Any Michigan recruits Dayton was interested in? Their coach just left for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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Larry, his brother Darryl, and his other brother Darryl.
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Any Michigan recruits Dayton was interested in? Their coach just left for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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I think Michigan had just two incoming 2019 guys... one of who is from Denton (Dallas area) and the other from Washington state. Those are two areas Dayton doesn't generally recruit so chances there was much of a relationship there is slim, if those guys try to get out of their LOIs. But Beilein always cast a wide net with recruiting... he would go after the highly ranked guys but a lot of times he seemed to find more unheralded guys who he thought were better players for his system, and you can't argue with the results. He's a great coach. But yes, on the recruiting trail, in recent years especially Dayton has seemed to be involved with quite a few guys Michigan was recruiting. So based off history alone (I haven't paid as much attention recently so that's all I have to go off of), I would guess that for future classes 2020 and beyond, there's probably some overlap in recruiting.
But there's always the possibility too of further fall out... who does Michigan hire? And what is the situation with recruits / transfers at that school if they hire someone away...
Anyway, it will be very interesting to watch. Both in terms of its impact upon the college basketball landscape but also the NBA. Not a Michigan fan, but love Beilein and can't help rooting for him, but will he succeed there? He always struck me as a guy who loved to teach, not manage egos. So I'm very surprised he of all people would make the jump to the NBA, though obviously he's competitive... has climbed all the way up the ranks from high school JV coach in a historic career so why not end it at the very top level.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Anyway, it will be very interesting to watch. Both in terms of its impact upon the college basketball landscape but also the NBA. Not a Michigan fan, but love Beilein and can't help rooting for him, but will he succeed there? He always struck me as a guy who loved to teach, not manage egos. So I'm very surprised he of all people would make the jump to the NBA, though obviously he's competitive... has climbed all the way up the ranks from high school JV coach in a historic career so why not end it at the very top level.
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Reid is set to announce on Monday.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
Final Five for Jacob (per Obi's instagram):
Dayton
URI
St. John's
Oklahoma State
Virginia Tech
My guess is his decision is coming in the near future
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That is a good list of suitors. I was under the impression most of the schools after him were mid major. I wonder if his stock has risen based on his play, he is considered a late bloomer like Obi, or both.
Given Obi’s seemingly happiness with the program I would think this bodes well for AG to reel him in. However, a lot of kids like to strike out on their own. Let’s face it, Obi casts a long shadow...both literally and figuratively.
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Originally Posted by Flyer Al
Pulls a rabbit out of a hat and goes to Gardner-Webb.
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How did we lose a recruit from PSA to Gardner-Webb ?
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Some kids are now looking at college differently. Go to Webb and start as a freshman, then excel for a couple of years and transfer to a great program. Go to Dayton, VCU or UCONN and sit for a couple of years.
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How did we lose a recruit from PSA to Gardner-Webb ?
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He has a friend playing there
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Any Michigan recruits Dayton was interested in? Their coach just left for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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Originally Posted by springborofan
That is a good list of suitors. I was under the impression most of the schools after him were mid major. I wonder if his stock has risen based on his play, he is considered a late bloomer like Obi, or both.
Given Obi’s seemingly happiness with the program I would think this bodes well for AG to reel him in. However, a lot of kids like to strike out on their own. Let’s face it, Obi casts a long shadow...both literally and figuratively.
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I wonder if this decision isn't already made. Can't find anything about on Oklahoma State or SJU boards
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I wonder if this decision isn't already made. Can't find anything about on Oklahoma State or SJU boards
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That would be pretty quick since he just announced his top 5 a couple of days ago
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Could be he's made a decision (or mostly made one), but is waiting on Obi to announce his final decision.
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Could be he's made a decision (or mostly made one), but is waiting on Obi to announce his final decision.
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i was thinking the same thing... could be, we'll see...)
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Samari Curtis officially committed to Nebraska per verbalcommitts.com so I guess he is Big10 good!
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2019 Bella Vista Prep (AZ) C Emmanuel Tshimanga has signed with UC Irvine.
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Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer
Samari Curtis officially committed to Nebraska per verbalcommitts.com so I guess he is Big10 good!
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Nebraska just hired Fred Hoiberg. Turned Iowa State in to a top 15 school while he was there. Has good NBA experience. I can definietly understand the appeal of playing at Nebraska.
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Sees he wanted anyone but us. Wonder why the aversion?
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I understand guys just wanting to get away from home. However, I'd pick some place other than Lincoln, NE.
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Given Texas Tech’s spectacular success recently: If Texas Tech can recruit top basketball recruits to Lubbock Texas than one can recruit talent to any location. Have you ever been to Lubbock Texas? I have. Trust me, Lubbock Texas is not high on most people’s places to visit or stay. I was speaking yesterday with a Lubbock native, Texas Tech grad and big Texas Tech supporter. She talked about sports success in football and basketball. When I mentioned that basketball recruiting was different than football recruiting; I got a blank stare. I mentioned that their were a lot of top talent in small schools for football but basketball recruiting for top talent was mostly in big cities for basketball. I proposed that top basketball talent in New York City, Chicago or other large cities would not be excited about going to school in Lubbock Texas, I got another blank stare. It never dawned on her that anyone would not want to move to her hometown of Lubbock. If you think the city of Dayton is a hard sell, just think how hard it is to sell Lubbock Texas?
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I understand guys just wanting to get away from home. However, I'd pick some place other than Lincoln, NE.
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Why? How much do you know about Lincoln? Are you aware it is twice the size of Dayton?
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Why? How much do you know about Lincoln? Are you aware it is twice the size of Dayton?
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I have been to Lincoln but admittedly it has been many years. It is not the size of the city. I have a bias against any place that is pretty isolated. Closest major city is KC, 200 miles away. After that? Dallas?
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I have been to Lincoln but admittedly it has been many years. It is not the size of the city. I have a bias against any place that is pretty isolated. Closest major city is KC, 200 miles away. After that? Dallas?
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As a point of interest, Lincoln is 50-60 miles from Omaha which has a population of a half million and a metropolitan area of nearly a million. I have no particular interest in the Lincoln/Omaha area but I wouldn't really call Lincoln "isolated".
This issue has been discussed many times on this board and I, too, often wonder why a kid goes to Manhattan, KS, Lubbock, TX, Lexington, KY, Tuscaloosa, AL, etc. to play big time basketball. It could be the coach, perceived playing time, relatives in the area, etc. that is the draw. As has been mentioned by others here, what is the big attraction in Dayton that draws kids from far away to come here to play.
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Agree - I lived in Omaha for a year and it’s a vibrant city - very similar to Columbus in attractions and opportunities. Not sure anyone from Dayton area should be bringing location into the discussion
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We need to get Jordy's input. Pretty nice scenery above. What's not to like?
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Baloney. The Lincoln metro area is less than half the Dayton Metro area.
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We need to get Jordy's input. Pretty nice scenery above. What's not to like?
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Apparently Jordy didn't like it. Remember he doesn't go there any more.
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Originally Posted by Sid Louick
As a point of interest, Lincoln is 50-60 miles from Omaha which has a population of a half million and a metropolitan area of nearly a million. I have no particular interest in the Lincoln/Omaha area but I wouldn't really call Lincoln "isolated".
This issue has been discussed many times on this board and I, too, often wonder why a kid goes to Manhattan, KS, Lubbock, TX, Lexington, KY, Tuscaloosa, AL, etc. to play big time basketball. It could be the coach, perceived playing time, relatives in the area, etc. that is the draw. As has been mentioned by others here, what is the big attraction in Dayton that draws kids from far away to come here to play.
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Agree - I lived in Omaha for a year and it’s a vibrant city - very similar to Columbus in attractions and opportunities. Not sure anyone from Dayton area should be bringing location into the discussion
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Baloney. The Lincoln metro area is less than half the Dayton Metro area.
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Dayton MSA is 800k. Lincoln MSA is 300k. Omaha is 60 miles from Lincoln. Should Cincinnati be included with Dayton?
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Originally Posted by CE80
I have been to Lincoln but admittedly it has been many years. It is not the size of the city. I have a bias against any place that is pretty isolated. Closest major city is KC, 200 miles away. After that? Dallas?
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There are a handful of schools that have a unique “feel” because they are located next to the downtown business district, state capital/ governor’s office and are a large university. It’s a unique mix when you go to lunch to experience business professionals, politicians and students. Lincoln is one of those places. Austin, TX and Madison, WI are too. Madison also has two large lakes which makes it very attractive. There are others I’m sure...but from a field of 50...not too many.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
There are a handful of schools that have a unique “feel” because they are located next to the downtown business district, state capital/ governor’s office and are a large university. It’s a unique mix when you go to lunch to experience business professionals, politicians and students. Lincoln is one of those places. Austin, TX and Madison, WI are too. Madison also has two large lakes which makes it very attractive. There are others I’m sure...but from a field of 50...not too many.
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Okay you convinced me Becky. I trust you. My daughter lives in Madison, WI.
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This thread of comparing cities and the good and bad is nice for this thread, but I doubt most kids care much about the city. It is all about the campus and the team(s) and the conference, and the coaches. I am sure the kids in Lincoln, Nebraska said to each other, "Jordy Tshimanga is going to where, and why?"
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
There are a handful of schools that have a unique “feel” because they are located next to the downtown business district, state capital/ governor’s office and are a large university. It’s a unique mix when you go to lunch to experience business professionals, politicians and students. Lincoln is one of those places. Austin, TX and Madison, WI are too. Madison also has two large lakes which makes it very attractive. There are others I’m sure...but from a field of 50...not too many.
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Madison is a cool town.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
Nebraska just hired Fred Hoiberg. Turned Iowa State in to a top 15 school while he was there. Has good NBA experience. I can definietly understand the appeal of playing at Nebraska.
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Not too mention Nebraska elite facilities and was 11th in the country in attendance last year
Every game is on national television and they play an elite schedule
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Think it's officially time to shut this thread down.
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Sometimes a kid doesn't want to be in his big brother's shadow by going to the same school and I bet that's what happened here... oh well next
So if no one else is added to this class, we would have 11 ready to roll for 19-20... Also, 4 big schollies to use for 2020, which looks to be awesome, because of how many high level guys we are looking at.
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Does this portend the early departure of Obi????
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Originally Posted by TommyGola
Does this portend the early departure of Obi????
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Or does this mean Obi is coming back and as lhsgolf said Jacob does not want to always be compared to big brother 24/7
We will know in a week or so
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Loving this off season. Lost Jordan. Lost Frankie. Didn't land the great white hype. Didn't land Obi's bro. Obi maybe leaving. Have added no shooting. Schedule sucks. Conference sucks.
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Jacob commits to URI
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I live in Rhode Island . How the did we lose Obi's brother to URI ?
This is really bad . I don't believe Grant will make it . His recruiting is
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Think it's officially time to shut this thread down.
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After the last two responses, I whole-heartedly agree. Geez folks, first effing world problems.
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bank those two scholarships and target transfers after next year. They sit out a year and then the loss of the big junior class is blunted
Get a proven PG next year to sit out and come in for Crutcher and there's a greater chance of reloading than rebuilding after the Crutcher class goes
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He probably reads sWimpy's posts and ran.
Besides that, he doesn't have an NBA body, so we don't need him.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
Sometimes a kid doesn't want to be in his big brother's shadow by going to the same school and I bet that's what happened here... oh well next
So if no one else is added to this class, we would have 11 ready to roll for 19-20... Also, 4 big schollies to use for 2020, which looks to be awesome, because of how many high level guys we are looking at.
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If they are anything like me and my brother, they would be too competitive against each other and my brother would have gone to another school just for the chance to beat me.
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No! I can pretty much guarantee the decisions had nothing to do with each other. Obi will be back, those of you worrying need to back away from the ledge. He was not invited to any combines, only did a few team workouts. Just use common sense here.
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I live in Rhode Island . How the did we lose Obi's brother to URI ?
This is really bad . I don't believe Grant will make it . His recruiting is
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Stop it! URI was the first big school to offer him, have been recruiting him the hardest the longest. They recruited Obi, before we did, so they would have developed a relationship with Jacob then, this happens. EC Mathews picked URI over Dayton, did things work out for Archie? Relax!
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Good luck to Jacob at RI. I’m not surprised he didn’t follow Obi to UD. I am surprised he’s headed to an A10 school. I think Comparisons to Obi will be worse in this case. Let’s just start with Rookie of the Year and 80+ dunks his first year. I’ve read the RI fan forum after a loss. It can be brutal. At UD there would be comparisons, but he would have been treated like family....always.
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
Good luck to Jacob at RI. I’m not surprised he didn’t follow Obi to UD. I am surprised he’s headed to an A10 school. I think Comparisons to Obi will be worse in this case. Let’s just start with Rookie of the Year and 80+ dunks his first year. I’ve read the RI fan forum after a loss. It can be brutal. At UD there would be comparisons, but he would have been treated like family....always.
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Our board is really brutal during what might be a loss. If JO is running from the spotlight or the shadow, he’s not gonna be much. He made a choice that was best for him and we have a front row seat to it. Good luck to him.
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Originally Posted by UD74
I live in Rhode Island . How the did we lose Obi's brother to URI ?
This is really bad . I don't believe Grant will make it . His recruiting is
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If there is one thing i am not sorried about with grant, it is recruiting.
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Originally Posted by flyerfan4life
If there is one thing i am not worried about with grant, it is recruiting.
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“Pitiful” recruiting? Um, take a gander at the roster. You can argue with the strategy, but Grant clearly was setting things up for year 3 & 4 with the addition of the transfers. With Jhery’s injury, we had five players sitting out last season that would be starters on most A10 teams. Have we swung and missed on some guys? Of course! But look at it rationally.
Jalen Crutcher: probably the second best PG in the conference, behind Marcus Evans.
Obi Toppin: All-A10, A10 ROY, possible draft pick this year or next.
Jhery Matos: was playing well before season-ending foot surgery. Jury’s out still on him.
Dwayne Cohill: chose UD over multiple top programs. Arguably our best 1-on-1 defender. Offense needs to improve but he is skilled.
Frankie Policelli: looks like the A10 was above his level. I hope he has a great career, but we’ll call this a miss.
Ibi Watson: jury’s out, but all reports are he is going to be very good
Rodney Chatman: was the best player on a bad team, filled up the stat sheet, reportedly is a tough, solid player.
Jordy Tshimanga: didn’t play a lot at the B1G level, but he’s a big body, has some skill and has transformed his body since he arrived. Should help in the A10
Chase Johnson: has barely played in 2 years but was a top-100 recruit and has all-league talent/athleticism.
Moulaye Sissoko: TBD, but he’s physically imposing and had some big schools interested.
So we have two spots open right now, and haven’t filled them yet. Would I have liked Jacob Toppin on the Flyers? Heck yeah. Would have been a lot of fun, a great story, and he has upside. But his is a complicated situation, with older brother maybe/maybe not even on the team next year, following in his footsteps, etc.
Options are somewhat limited for 2019 guys at this point, but I’m not going to call the recruiting “pitiful” because guys went to WV, Nebraska, and Texas A&M instead of Dayton. There are still a ton of transfers out there, probably a few more will open up. We got Jordy at the end of the summer last year. We got Chase at the semester break because we had an open spot.
As others have posted, the 2020 class is pretty deep, we are in on some top-notch guys, and probably want to keep some flexibility open. When I look at the roster (not forgetting Trey and Mikesell of course), I don’t see a ton of available minutes this year. I’m quite certain incoming freshmen see the same thing.
Pitiful recruiting? Nah.
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This is great, because all the announcers will refer to him as the brother of Dayton's Obi Toppin.
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Gotta balance the big picture with the short term. As others have mentioned there's 11 legit contributors on this roster for next year (I think Moulaye can provide some defense/rebound minutes off of the bench).
The cakes baked for the next two seasons with the transfers, Crutcher, Cohill and whatever time Obi has left. AG got the transfers he wanted and that's going to be the backbone of the roster
Right now the planning is for the 21-22 season when the big junior class gone.
Dayton makes the tourney next year, Obi goes in the first round and doors are going to open in recruiting next spring that aren't open this year
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
Gotta balance the big picture with the short term. As others have mentioned there's 11 legit contributors on this roster for next year (I think Moulaye can provide some defense/rebound minutes off of the bench).
The cakes baked for the next two seasons with the transfers, Crutcher, Cohill and whatever time Obi has left. AG got the transfers he wanted and that's going to be the backbone of the roster
Right now the planning is for the 21-22 season when the big junior class gone.
Dayton makes the tourney next year, Obi goes in the first round and doors are going to open in recruiting next spring that aren't open this year
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The Dayton fan in me loves this. Then again, the Dayton fan in me is extremely pessimistic too.
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Originally Posted by Widget
The Dayton fan in me loves this. Then again, the Dayton fan in me is extremely pessimistic too.
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I don't think anyone can fault a UD fan for being pessimistic
I see a lot of angst here and on Twitter about spring recruiting this year but if the transfers are as good as advertised, how many recruits are coming in and taking minutes for 4th year juniors, Crutcher and Obi. Too many people are focused on the short term versus the long term
Big picture recruiting wise for me getting a transfer PG next spring and hopefully another transfer is going to be the difference hopefully continuing success and going into a rebuild
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I'm fine with the 11 we have right now (please, please, please come back Obi). I agree with those who say it would be best to hold the other two and have four next year. If things stay as they are, we don't really need anybody else this year, unless we can get some under the radar stud.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
I don't think anyone can fault a UD fan for being pessimistic
I see a lot of angst here and on Twitter about spring recruiting this year but if the transfers are as good as advertised, how many recruits are coming in and taking minutes for 4th year juniors, Crutcher and Obi. Too many people are focused on the short term versus the long term
Big picture recruiting wise for me getting a transfer PG next spring and hopefully another transfer is going to be the difference hopefully continuing success and going into a rebuild
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There's a lot of angst every year. Generally speaking, the rose colored glasses group on here "know" all of players they have never seen play are going to come in and help the team. The eeyores see the next step in (insert coach's name here) careening on a path to be lucky to win a single game and years of future futility.
There are years where the outlook is more clear than others. I tend to be pragmatic with a definite lean toward optimistic. This is one of those years where it is harder to judge because of the potential reliance on players most if not all of us haven't actually seen... especially if Obi leaves.
I am certainly hopeful but I think both extremes are more than a little over the top. We are probably going to lose one or two players every year that don't work out. That's the reality of college basketball now which means there is an assumption that some won't be good enough. As some have pointed out, we are a great landing spot for players that want more opportunity coming from power conferences. We seem to be getting some kids with NBA potential which should help with recruiting. What we haven't seen in a while is a kid transferring "up" from us to a power team but I have to believe it will happen.
I think we are trending the right direction. I am hopefully optimistic that some of the freshman/transfers will be better than the players they are replacing. I certainly hope Obi stays but recognize it's not my decision. Whether he stays or goes, I hope one or more of the new player is better than him!
I just don't know any of it.
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Originally Posted by Sid Louick
This issue has been discussed many times on this board and I, too, often wonder why a kid goes to Manhattan, KS, Lubbock, TX, Lexington, KY, Tuscaloosa, AL, etc. to play big time basketball. It could be the coach, perceived playing time, relatives in the area, etc. that is the draw. As has been mentioned by others here, what is the big attraction in Dayton that draws kids from far away to come here to play.
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I would think the 25+ 1st round draft picks since 2010 plays a role in someone going to Lexington
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Outside of the many advantages that Kentucky has in basketball, Lexington is a fine city.
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Regarding the angst and uncertainty that several have posted about, I believe it’s pretty easy to get a very clear understanding of the talent level the red-shirt 5 are going to bring and no you don’t need rose colored glasses to see this.
Leaving aside the observations those close to the program have repeatedly made, I think all we need to do is look at what AG is doing. He passed on a kid that many of the half full crowd saw as a must get. It is clear that he is more satisfied with the team even as it stands now since he’s not in a hurry sign talent or bodies. If there were serious needs, I think we’d have at least one additional signing.
AG is building a culture while he rebuilds the depleted roster he was left with. AM had to deal with some of the same issues but chose to take chances on several that weren’t likely his guys as he had different personal aspirations mixed in with his professional expectations.
I believe AG is here for the long haul and will likely never leave unless he’s asked to do so. He can afford to truly build the program not just a short term winner. I think he’s the perfect hybrid of BG and AM as he has a love for UD stronger than BG and has the coaching ability to build the players he brings in.
Hang on as the ride could get real wild real soon.
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