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Resisting globalism and winning

What’s often lost in the Cohen, Comey, Flynn, Mueller shuffle - a more important issue, far more important with a far greater impact and reach - is the threat of globalism. Were it not for the leadership vision and the hard work of the Trump administration, we can be looking at a much less free and prosperous USA over the next 100 years.
The president's instincts - pushing for a border wall, renegotiating NAFTA, insisting on fair trade with China - are spot on. On almost every important issue, President Trump has held firm, even in the face of immense resistance from those who have made billions on the failed promise of globalism. But the president has faced enormous opposition in his efforts, and not just from outside his own party. He clashed with Gary Cohn, his now-former director of the National Economic Council.

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What’s often lost in the Cohen, Comey, Flynn, Mueller shuffle - a more important issue, far more important with a far greater impact and reach - is the threat of globalism. Were it not for the leadership vision and the hard work of the Trump administration, we can be looking at a much less free and prosperous USA over the next 100 years.
The president's instincts - pushing for a border wall, renegotiating NAFTA, insisting on fair trade with China - are spot on. On almost every important issue, President Trump has held firm, even in the face of immense resistance from those who have made billions on the failed promise of globalism. But the president has faced enormous opposition in his efforts, and not just from outside his own party. He clashed with Gary Cohn, his now-former director of the National Economic Council.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/laur...sm-and-winning
I like voluntary international cooperation where it is appropriate. I don't like international mandates that are against the will of people in a particular country. Taking away some of the sovereignty of a majority of people in a particular country to satisfy the globalists in that country is a dangerous game. Globalists somehow believe that their vision of globalism is Manifest Destiny.

The potential for disaster with a "Global" government that trumps the will of member countries is enormous. Look at the EU. Many of the bureaucrats who run it are not directly elected by the people that they govern. That is a recipe for corruption and resentment of the people who lose power over their own lives. People who see that unelected bureaucrats are controlling their lives will rise up against it. That is what Brexit is. I'm fine with it if the people of England want the EU to mold their lives. I just don't think that it can last. People will eventually want to make their own decisions once the corruption and decisions against their national interests get bad enough. If they can't vote down the decision makers, the only solution is to get out.

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Getting back to the subject of this thread--Russian collusion:

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Here's the key point about Russian disinformation attacks on Mueller:

"In attacking Mueller, Trump’s and Russia’s interests overlapped. But more crucially, those overlapping interests were served by the concerted undermining of U.S. institutions, something both undertook to do."
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Talking Hillary's Collusion With the Russians

Yes, I think it has been proven Hillary did collude with the Russians on the fake Russian dossier.

Reporter who broke news of Steele dossier used to surveil ex-Trump aide calls its claims largely 'false'

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Jeebus Mich, give it a rest. The constant whataboutism about Hillary is pointless. What proof do you have that she colluded with Russia? And don't give me that Uranium One bullsh*t--that conspiracy theory of yours never happened.

Regarding the Steele Dossier (which was originally funded by a conservative website), name one thing (besides the Pee Tape which has yet to be proven) that has been discredited.
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Swampy, if during the campaign, Trump paid a Russian to write a story about Hillary taking a **** on Obama's pillow, then did not disclose that he paid for it when it became public until it was later discovered through investigation, would you believe the report?

Would Comey start an investigation and surveillance of the Clinton campaign over it and then claim that it did not matter that Trump paid for it?

The whole thing is laughable on one level, but terrifying on another.

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From David Corn, co-author of Russian Roulette:

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Dave Corn's book sure is a bunch of "corn." Swampy, you sure come up with stuff right out of the garbage dump.
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Regarding the Steele Dossier (which was originally funded by a conservative website), name one thing (besides the Pee Tape which has yet to be proven) that has been discredited.
The only thing that has been proven to be correct about the Steele Dossier is that Russia is a country.
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17 different investigations involving Trump, his campaign, his foundation and the Russian collusion:

https://www.wired.com/story/mueller-...omplete-guide/

17!

This is one area where Trump is outdoing Obama.

Obama had 0.
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Obama had 0.
What a liar Obama was. 17? Easy to find during the Obama days.

Investigations that began in the Obama days:

1. Investigation into Uranium One.
2. FBI handling of the Clinton e-mail case
3. FBI text messages
4. The FBI/Justice Department use of Steele dossier and FISA
5. Benghazi investigation - letting our men die.
6. Fast and Furious investigation.
7. IRS investigation.
8. VA deadly waiting list scandal.
9. Little Sisters of the Poor scandal.
10. Solyndra.
11. Taliban Five for Bergdahl.
12. Syria War Red Line.
13. 22 million government employee files hacked and nothing done
14. Spygate
15. Holder held in contempt of Congress
16. The Obama ransom payoff to Iran
17. Susan Rice blaming Benghazi on a video
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17!

This is one area where Trump is outdoing Obama.

Obama had 0.

Wow, never knew it was possible for you to plummet even deeper with your lies swimpy, but you just did. Absolutely pathetic
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What a liar Obama was. 17? Easy to find during the Obama days.

Investigations that began in the Obama days:

1. Investigation into Uranium One.
2. FBI handling of the Clinton e-mail case
3. FBI text messages
4. The FBI/Justice Department use of Steele dossier and FISA
5. Benghazi investigation - letting our men die.
6. Fast and Furious investigation.
7. IRS investigation.
8. VA deadly waiting list scandal.
9. Little Sisters of the Poor scandal.
10. Solyndra.
11. Taliban Five for Bergdahl.
12. Syria War Red Line.
13. 22 million government employee files hacked and nothing done
14. Spygate
15. Holder held in contempt of Congress
16. The Obama ransom payoff to Iran
17. Susan Rice blaming Benghazi on a video
How many of these resulted in CONVICTIONS?

NONE

Mueller is up to 36 indictments and 6 convictions.
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Originally Posted by Mich Flyer View Post
The only thing that has been proven to be correct about the Steele Dossier is that Russia is a country.
That and the fact that the Republicans had a copy of the last in the series of Steele Dossier reportsBEFORE Buzzfeed published it.



And what did they do with it?

Nothing.
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For those of you keeping score at home, here are the 17 Trump investigations, courtesy of Axios:

Investigations by special counsel Robert Mueller:

Russian government’s election attack (the Internet Research Agency and GRU indictments)
WikiLeaks
Middle Eastern influence: Potentially the biggest unseen aspect of Mueller’s investigation is his year-long pursuit of Middle Eastern influence targeting the Trump campaign.
Paul Manafort’s activity
Trump Tower Moscow project
Other campaign and transition contacts with Russia
Obstruction of justice

Investigations by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York:

Campaign conspiracy and Trump Organization finances
Inauguration funding
Trump super PAC funding
Foreign lobbying

Investigations by the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia:

Maria Butina and the NRA

Investigations by the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia:

Elena Alekseevna Khusyaynova, the alleged chief accountant of the Internet Research Agency who was indicted separately earlier this fall, charged with activity that went above and beyond the 2016 campaign. Why she was prosecuted separately remains a mystery.

Turkish influence: Michael Flynn’s plea agreement includes some details of the case, and he is cooperating with investigators.

Investigations by New York City, New York State and other state attorneys general:

Tax case: In the wake of an N.Y. Times investigation that found Trump had benefited from more than $400 million in tax schemes, city officials said they were investigating Trump’s tax payments, as did the New York State Tax Department.

The Trump Foundation

Emoluments lawsuit: The attorneys general for Maryland and D.C. sent out subpoenas earlier this month for Trump Organization and hotel financial records relating to their lawsuit that the president is in breach of the "Emoluments Clause" of the Constitution, which appears to prohibit the president from accepting payments from foreign powers while in office.

And there's a mystery investigation from an unknown office:

Redacted Case #2: A second, redacted Flynn investigation could be one of the other investigations mentioned here. It could also represent another as-yet-unknown unfolding criminal case or could be a counterintelligence investigation that will never become public.

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Russian Agents Sought Secret US Treasury Records On Clinton Backers During 2016 Campaign

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ldqpgc#4ldqpgc

Whistleblowers said the Americans were exchanging messages with unsecure Gmail accounts set up by their Russian counterparts as the US election heated up.
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Cohen’s Cell Signal Traced To Prague, Possibly Verifying Key Steele Dossier Claim

https://hillreporter.com/cohens-cell...er-claim-19371

Michael Cohen’s mobile phone purportedly sent signals pinging off of cell towers near Prague in late summer 2016, the time of the alleged Russian meeting, possibly verifying yet another Steele dossier claim.

The foreign intelligence cell signal record supports claims that Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen met secretly with Russian officials in Prague, sources say.
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Need to change the title of this thread, after two plus years of nothing burger.

How about Mueller Gets a Long Term Job, or The non-Rushing Collusion Marathon
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From the WaPo in April:

Michael Cohen’s visiting Prague would be a huge development in the Russia investigation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.eb0b1c7ec5ae
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From the WaPo in April:

Michael Cohen’s visiting Prague would be a huge development in the Russia investigation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.eb0b1c7ec5ae
Just to humor you, I read the article. Once again a big no facts and a bunch of speculation. Where is the proof that Cohen visited Prague, that he did it for Trump and that he met with Russians??
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Just to humor you, I read the article. Once again a big no facts and a bunch of speculation. Where is the proof that Cohen visited Prague, that he did it for Trump and that he met with Russians??
That is almost all of it: just speculation and no facts.

I have never seen so much reaching in order to try to take down a president, they grasp for just about anything.
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Where is the proof that Cohen visited Prague, that he did it for Trump and that he met with Russians??
The Steele Dossier quotes two Russian intel sources who say he met with Russians.

His cell phone tells us he was in the Prague area at the time the meeting outlined in the Steele Dossier was said to have taken place.

You think his cell phone went there without him?

Cell phones don't lie, Jack.

Mueller knows the truth about all of this and Cohen is cooperating with Mueller, so what you think doesn't matter.
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The Steele Dossier quotes two Russian intel sources who say he met with Russians.

His cell phone tells us he was in the Prague area at the time the meeting outlined in the Steele Dossier was said to have taken place.

You think his cell phone went there without him?

Cell phones don't lie, Jack.

Mueller knows the truth about all of this and Cohen is cooperating with Mueller, so what you think doesn't matter.
First of all the Steele Dossier is not a credible source, and you know that. Is any of it true? Who knows, and who can know.

I read the article again, I do not see the reference to his cell phone (bill) that shows he was there.
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First of all the Steele Dossier is not a credible source, and you know that. Is any of it true? Who knows, and who can know.

I read the article again, I do not see the reference to his cell phone (bill) that shows he was there.
What part of the Steele Dossier has been proven to be false? I'll wait.

Are you dense? As mentioned in my post, the article is from April, so it would be hard to reference something that just became public knowledge this week now,wouldn't it?

Obviously, Faux News hasn't said word one about this so you guys wouldn't know jack sh*t about it, but here are the details--again:

Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/inv...219016820.html

A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.

Like I said before, cell phones don't lie.

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That is almost all of it: just speculation and no facts.

I have never seen so much reaching in order to try to take down a president, they grasp for just about anything.
It's a fantasy world of uncorroborated hearsay that is now fair game for a MSM that is focused on slander for the sake of political manipulation. He was in Prague, because there might be evidence somewhere. I don't remember where or when Kavanaugh assaulted me, but I know 100% that he assaulted me.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
What part of the Steele Dossier has been proven to be false? I'll wait.

Are you dense? As mentioned in my post, the article is from April, so it would be hard to reference something that just became public knowledge this week now,wouldn't it?

Obviously, Faux News hasn't said word one about this so you guys wouldn't know jack sh*t about it, but here are the details--again:

Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/inv...219016820.html

A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.

Like I said before, cell phones don't lie.
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What part of the Steele Dossier has been proven to be false?
So the onus is on those questioning the dossier to prove it false, as opposed to those who wrote it providing proof that what is contained in it is factual?

So I can write up anything I want about you, and it's your responsibility to prove what I say is false?

I want to laugh but it's pretty **** scary that there so many libs like swampy who think like this. With this kind of jacked up thought process, it's open season on anyone who opposes you. And don't think for a minute this is just about President Trump. They'd be doing the same exact things whoever the Republican president is.
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Patience guys...

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It's a fantasy world of uncorroborated hearsay that is now fair game for a MSM that is focused on slander for the sake of political manipulation. He was in Prague, because there might be evidence somewhere. I don't remember where or when Kavanaugh assaulted me, but I know 100% that he assaulted me.
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Ask you a question of clarification, and you go bonkers and start calling names. Forget you!!
Much has been said, much speculation, etc. Some factual, some not. I suggest we wait until Mueller completes his investigation and reports.

Mueller is a smart guy. He knows everyone is impatient. And, for certain, he knows everything he reports will be challenged by many. Because of that I'm confident that Mueller is making every effort to ensure that his report is factual and bullet proof. I'll wait; but I surely wish he'd hurry.
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Much has been said, much speculation, etc. Some factual, some not. I suggest we wait until Mueller completes his investigation and reports.

Mueller is a smart guy. He knows everyone is impatient. And, for certain, he knows everything he reports will be challenged by many. Because of that I'm confident that Mueller is making every effort to ensure that his report is factual and bullet proof. I'll wait; but I surely wish he'd hurry.
This goes on for years and years so that the seed of doubt of slander of every kind can live on throughout the Presidency as "something that Mueller might prove in the future". It gives license to say anything and then say, "Well, I will wait to see if Mueller can prove it". It's a blank check of slander for the left wing media.
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The Mueller investigation isn’t even 2 years old. Whitewater went on for nearly 8 years. Iran contra, nearly 7.

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Remember this name: Sam Patten. He is at the intersection of several Trump scandals:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...-1311006275860

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Interesting. Government just filed a joint status report under seal for Sam Patten, a Manafort/Kilimnik associate who pleaded guilty in August to failing to register as a foreign agent and admitted to steering foreign funds to Trump's inaugural. He's been cooperating ever since.
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The Mueller investigation isn’t even 2 years old. Whitewater went on for nearly 8 years. Iran contra, nearly 7.

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Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Campaign Data With Russian Associate

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A while back in this thread, there was mention of a corrupt Trump Foundation.
This assertion definitely deserves the "Pot calling the Kettle Black" award.
Available via the FOIA for anyone fact checking.
Clinton Foundation last posted annual report:
486 employees
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5 million charitable contribution (Aids Relief)

ps. The AIDs relief medicine was deemed ineffective...a total waste of money.
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Fox News’ Shep Smith and Andrew Napolitano agree: The Trump campaign colluded with Russia

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Fox News’ Shep Smith and Andrew Napolitano agree: The Trump campaign colluded with Russia

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/she...d-with-russia/
Smith is a Democrat. So big nothing. Read the article, Napolitano says, "if" then "probably".
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Hmm, evidence of Obama colluding with Russians to mislead American voters as to his true intentions to make deals with the evil empire........
False analogy. The President of the United States has every right to speak with/negotiate with foreign countries.

Candidates for president, and their campaign staffers do not.
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False analogy. The President of the United States has every right to speak with/negotiate with foreign countries.

Candidates for president, and their campaign staffers do not.
The whole thing is stupid because collusion is not a crime, but Obama was whispering this in the ears of the Russians because he was running as a candidate for a second term. He did not want to publicly announce his "flexibility" with the Russians because he apparently thought it would impact him as a candidate.
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The whole thing is stupid because collusion is not a crime, but Obama was whispering this in the ears of the Russians because he was running as a candidate for a second term. He did not want to publicly announce his "flexibility" with the Russians because he apparently thought it would impact him as a candidate.
He was POTUS at the time, no?

There are aspects of working with/negotiating with a foreign entity that are illegal when not the President/Sec of State/etc. Whether these happened or not is the question.
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The New York Times is reporting that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into whether Donald Trump was secretly working for Russia after he fired James Comey:

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Don't we have evidence that they had an ill-gotten FISA court approval to monitor his campaign long before that? Even before the FISA abuse, there was an unofficial investigation if you look at what kind of activity Strzok and his ilk were involved in. It's why they are all fired or ran away.
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The New York Times is reporting that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into whether Donald Trump was secretly working for Russia after he fired James Comey:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/u...&ICID=ref_fark
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In my most sarcastic voice I say: and I’m sure there was no political bias and they truly felt Trump was a secret Russian agent prepared to be a traitor to his country. Give me a break, the liberal elite that somehow rose into power in our government agencies including the FBI will rationalize anything to go on a fishing expedition after this President.

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Total Sleaze

The "New York Times" has openly admitted they are anti-Trump and will do anything to besmirch him.

Trump slams 'total sleaze' Comey, 'corrupt' FBI leaders, after report bureau launched probe after director's ouster.

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Very sad, very sad what the FBI did and what they became. Obama was the leader who did nothing about it, and had the gonads of a two year old to not stand up to these disgusting people, including the immoral Hilary and Bill.
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Very sad, very sad what the FBI did and what they became. ....
Why past tense? I have not seen anyone go to jail? They all quietly left, got replaced, or got fired, but NO ONE has actually been held accountable; and I don't see where any root cause has been fixed.....
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Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal the details of his face-to-face meetings with Putin. Gee I wonder why?

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Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal the details of his face-to-face meetings with Putin. Gee I wonder why?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.0643f946b6c1
"Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson".

Tillerson better get some secret service protection- seems he's a witness to Trump's treason. Very sloppy of Trump....
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The interpreter whose notes were confiscated by Trump should be called to testify as to the contents of those notes.
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The interpreter whose notes were confiscated by Trump should be called to testify as to the contents of those notes.
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Swampy, I don't mean to come across as a naďve die-hard Trump supporter- but the liberal media's clearly biased coverage since his term began has made me lose complete faith in the press. Objective investigative reporting is a thing of the past unfortunately. I will need to see a smoking gun before I even waste my time reading most mainstream coverage. That is not Trump's fault- it's the lack of integrity of the press- at least 90% of whom have a hidden agenda. That's tragic...
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Swampy, I don't mean to come across as a naďve die-hard Trump supporter- but the liberal media's clearly biased coverage since his term began has made me lose complete faith in the press. Objective investigative reporting is a thing of the past unfortunately. I will need to see a smoking gun before I even waste my time reading most mainstream coverage. That is not Trump's fault- it's the lack of integrity of the press- at least 90% of whom have a hidden agenda. That's tragic...
The weird thing is that there is not even an attempt to hide the agenda anymore. CNN is one giant political editorial page. It's a small group of leftists who think that we hang on their opinions, and almost expect us to hang on their opinions as if they were objective.
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So you guys are saying it’s perfectl normal for the President to meet one-on-one with the leader of the country that interfered with our election alone and to confiscate the notes of his interpreter?

Never happened before in either case.
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So you guys are saying it’s perfectl normal for the President to meet one-on-one with the leader of the country that interfered with our election alone and to confiscate the notes of his interpreter?

Never happened before in either case.
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I do not believe a **** thing the press, die hard liberals, or you say in the daily crusade to trash our president. The non stop attacks and off the wall accusations made by the media is a complete joke. Add in your broken links and made up commentary to links you post and I can safely say we are all tired of it. We all enjoyed your long vacation from BS posting on anything and everything anit Trump or political.

Understand, or was I not clear enough?
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So you guys are saying it’s perfectl normal for the President to meet one-on-one with the leader of the country that interfered with our election alone and to confiscate the notes of his interpreter?

Never happened before in either case.
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Is it normal for the FBI to bug phone calls of an incoming President, have him investigated and run an investigation now going on over two years that has produced zero against the President and spent millions of dollars? Your paranoia on this whole issue is not normal. There are no facts that Trump has done anything, yet you and your cronies continue this non-factual tirade. It reflects badly on your judgement and intelligence, and loyalty to your country.
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Trump's bullsh*t answer to simple a yes or no question:

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Kremlin Blessed Russia’s NRA Operation, U.S. Intel Report Says

When Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin’s brought NRA bigwigs to Moscow, it wasn’t a rogue mission. It was okayed from the very top

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Trump's bullsh*t answer to simple a yes or no question:

Trump fan or foe,....it is astonishing that after being asked such a simple, direct question re Russia, the President did not say that he had never worked for Russia...nor in his approximately 400 word rambling, incoherent response did he come close to saying he was not working for Russia and/or never had.

Is there any way to explain that? Given the circumstances, there is only one rational answer whether or not Trump ever worked for Russia, That is "no".....whether he did or didn't.

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How many times and how many different ways does someone have to deny such nonsense? Yet the left and Trump haters, like a horny teenager. never take "no" for the answer. They continue, and will continue the onslaught of hate and accusations, not because it is true, but because they are hateful and see it as some type of power play that will defeat the President now and in the next election. Disgusting!
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How many times and how many different ways does someone have to deny such nonsense? Yet the left and Trump haters, like a horny teenager. never take "no" for the answer. They continue, and will continue the onslaught of hate and accusations, not because it is true, but because they are hateful and see it as some type of power play that will defeat the President now and in the next election. Disgusting!
Jack, you're beginning to sound like Trump. Ms. Pirro, a Fox legal analyst
(Trump hater?) asked a very simple, direct question requiring nothing more than a one word answer, "Yes" or "No". That is the only way to deny such "nonsense"/
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2 things:

1) If you saw the interview, the question was posed in a snarky, this-is-a-stupid-question tone that begged for the type of answer Trump gave.

2) Does anyone with a brain actually believe Trump would work FOR the Russians?? His ego is sooooo big that he would never work 'for' anyone. And outside his dad, he has only worked FOR himself.

The stupidity of the attacks toward Trump get more and more ridiculous. What's next...a secret condo in Beijing? Love child in North Korea?? A Koran under his pillow...oh, never mind...I think that was our last President.
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Jack, you're beginning to sound like Trump. Ms. Pirro, a Fox legal analyst
(Trump hater?) asked a very simple, direct question requiring nothing more than a one word answer, "Yes" or "No". That is the only way to deny such "nonsense"/
BTW, I am curious who do you like for president in 2020? Trump or one of the Democrat candidates announced?
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Working "for"...

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2 things:

1) If you saw the interview, the question was posed in a snarky, this-is-a-stupid-question tone that begged for the type of answer Trump gave.

2) Does anyone with a brain actually believe Trump would work FOR the Russians?? His ego is sooooo big that he would never work 'for' anyone. And outside his dad, he has only worked FOR himself.

The stupidity of the attacks toward Trump get more and more ridiculous. What's next...a secret condo in Beijing? Love child in North Korea?? A Koran under his pillow...oh, never mind...I think that was our last President.
Let's pass on quibbling what working "for" means. But, I recall reading of a time not that long ago when Trump was less than flat broke.....his enterprise in debt to the tune of $4 billion; a billion of which was reported as personal debt owed by Trump himself. Near that time Don Jr. said publicly that the only place they could borrow money was Russia...consequently Russian borrowings dominated Trump debt... according to Don Jr..

I don't know if that is true or not. But Don Jrs's remark makes it appear credible.

Suppose it is true, i.e., that Trump was very much indebted to Russian interests and finding it difficult to service the debt load. If such a scenario is anywhere near true you may not be "working" for the Russians...but their leverage is sufficient to exert significant influence or even control.

Even when your ego is sooooo big, owing a lot of money you're having difficulty paying back tends to temper one's ego when your creditors own you.
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Can someone list all the ways Russia has benefitted from Trump's Presidency? Seems like they were better off when Obama was in the White House and Hillary was selling uranium to the highest bidder.
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2 things:

1) If you saw the interview, the question was posed in a snarky, this-is-a-stupid-question tone that begged for the type of answer Trump gave.

2) Does anyone with a brain actually believe Trump would work FOR the Russians?? His ego is sooooo big that he would never work 'for' anyone. And outside his dad, he has only worked FOR himself.

The stupidity of the attacks toward Trump get more and more ridiculous. What's next...a secret condo in Beijing? Love child in North Korea?? A Koran under his pillow...oh, never mind...I think that was our last President.
I am amazed that people (99.9% never-Trumpers and steadfast leftists) are entertaining the possibility that Trump was somehow working for Russian interests as a candidate or President. It's a testament to the fact if you build even the most ridiculous conspiracy theory, that there are tons of people who so-much want to believe it for political purposes that they will flesh it out.

It all started with Hillary and the DNC (that she basically owned) paying foreign agents for that crazy dossier. Then all you had to do was fertilize that seed with the MSM and a corrupt FBI leadership. And now, here we are. Seemingly once sensible people are now swallowing it whole.
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President in 2020

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BTW, I am curious who do you like for president in 2020? Trump or one of the Democrat candidates announced?
I'm not sure when you say who do I "like" if you mean my preference or who I think will be President;

1. I do not think DJT will run for President in 2020....I'm not 100% sure he'll complete his current term. Mueller's report is may have significant influence, in my opinion.

2. I would not mind a Pence presidency. We may see that before 2020.

3. My personal favorite is Nikki Haley....not a likely candidate before 2024, I think. But I really like her.

4. The Dems may kill themselves off or nominate a weird candidate because so many will be splitting the vote...sort of like the GOP in 2016.

In the meantime I am focused on what Mueller comes up with. I don't think it will be a "nothing burger"....I think, taken as a whole, Mueller's investigation will yield significant and likely surprising evidence. Just opinion.
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I'm not sure when you say who do I "like" if you mean my preference or who I think will be President;

1. I do not think DJT will run for President in 2020....I'm not 100% sure he'll complete his current term. Mueller's report is may have significant influence, in my opinion.
The report might not be out before 2020, we will see.
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The report might not be out before 2020, we will see.
Good grief, I hope you're wrong about that. Mueller must sense the national angst over this. He's got to get this over with.
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Trump fan or foe,....it is astonishing that after being asked such a simple, direct question re Russia, the President did not say that he had never worked for Russia...nor in his approximately 400 word rambling, incoherent response did he come close to saying he was not working for Russia and/or never had.

Is there any way to explain that? Given the circumstances, there is only one rational answer whether or not Trump ever worked for Russia, That is "no".....whether he did or didn't.
He clearly answered "No" this morning I think it was.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...or_russia.html:


"I never worked for Russia," the president said. "Not only did I never work for Russia, I think it is a disgrace that you even asked that question because it is a whole big fat hoax."
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Only time will tell, but ABC says...

"People closest to what Mueller is doing, interactive with the special counsel, cautioned me, that this report is certain to be anti-climatic,” Karl said. “That if you look at what the FBI was investigating in that New York Times report, look what they were investigating, Mueller did not go anywhere with that investigation,” he continued. “He’s been writing his report in real-time though these the indictments. We’ve seen nothing from Mueller on the central question of was there coordination, collusion, with the Russians in the effort to meddle in the elections? Or was there even knowledge with the president or anybody in the campaign, with what the Russians were doing.”

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/abcs-...nti-climactic/
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Swampy Guilty of Collusion and Conspiracy

Swampy is guilty of collusion with the Democrats in creating a false narrative. He is also guilty of conspiracy to defraud the United States, creating a coverup of Hillary's crimes, and creating a hoax investigation on Trump.

Trump facing 'coup,' FBI brass was in cahoots, Dowd tells Fox's Kilmeade.

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Only time will tell, but ABC says...

"People closest to what Mueller is doing, interactive with the special counsel, cautioned me, that this report is certain to be anti-climatic,” Karl said. “That if you look at what the FBI was investigating in that New York Times report, look what they were investigating, Mueller did not go anywhere with that investigation,” he continued. “He’s been writing his report in real-time though these the indictments. We’ve seen nothing from Mueller on the central question of was there coordination, collusion, with the Russians in the effort to meddle in the elections? Or was there even knowledge with the president or anybody in the campaign, with what the Russians were doing.”

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/abcs-...nti-climactic/
You know what comes to mind? Remember when you took a test and there was an essay question that you really didn't know the answer? You just started filling the space with BS, not really knowing when to quit so you just kind of rambled on until the teacher said it was time to turn in your paper.
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Is there a US Code that covers blind stupidity?
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer View Post
I'm not sure when you say who do I "like" if you mean my preference or who I think will be President;

1. I do not think DJT will run for President in 2020....I'm not 100% sure he'll complete his current term. Mueller's report is may have significant influence, in my opinion.

2. I would not mind a Pence presidency. We may see that before 2020.

3. My personal favorite is Nikki Haley....not a likely candidate before 2024, I think. But I really like her.

4. The Dems may kill themselves off or nominate a weird candidate because so many will be splitting the vote...sort of like the GOP in 2016.

In the meantime I am focused on what Mueller comes up with. I don't think it will be a "nothing burger"....I think, taken as a whole, Mueller's investigation will yield significant and likely surprising evidence. Just opinion.
It was a simple question. It demanded a one person answer. Like Trump, you went on, and on and never answered the question, or gave me one name. You must be colluding or working for Mueller. Guilty since you never answered the question.

Trump has said he is running, so to give names like Haley and Pence is silly.

See how hard it can be.
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Just an answer to a question

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It was a simple question. It demanded a one person answer. Like Trump, you went on, and on and never answered the question, or gave me one name. You must be colluding or working for Mueller. Guilty since you never answered the question.

Trump has said he is running, so to give names like Haley and Pence is silly.

See how hard it can be.
Jack, I was just responding to a specific question asked by ud2.

To your point re what Trump has said about 2020: I think his life will be so miserable by the summer of 2020 that he will have no appetite for continuing as President. In fact, I don't think he's too happy right now.
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Sorry, Anti-Trumpers

Sorry, Anti-Trumpers.

Mueller report to be 'almost certain to be anti-climactic,' sources tell ABC's Karl.

Speaking to host George Stephanopoulos Sunday on “This Week,” Karl said that he’s been told by sources close to the investigation that the report into Russian interference in the 2016 election and any possible collusion between President Trump's campaign and Moscow is “almost certain to be anti-climactic.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mue...tell-abcs-karl
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Sorry, Anti-Trumpers.
Thanks for posting Mich.

You say sorry, I say STF up and get on with your life to those with TDS. Smile and have fun, instead of *****ing about anything and everything that is RIGHT with our country.
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The ones that believe there was collusion are cut from the same cloth that believe Barry was born in Kenya.
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Heading off to a business trip, sitting at JFK for hours as a captive audience to CNN. Even the most committed Lib has to recognize the over the top biased coverage of this President. Absolutely breathtaking. This country’s media must do better than this.
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Heading off to a business trip, sitting at JFK for hours as a captive audience to CNN. Even the most committed Lib has to recognize the over the top biased coverage of this President. Absolutely breathtaking. This country’s media must do better than this.
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That would be nice...

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Sorry, Anti-Trumpers.

Mueller report to be 'almost certain to be anti-climactic,' sources tell ABC's Karl.

Speaking to host George Stephanopoulos Sunday on “This Week,” Karl said that he’s been told by sources close to the investigation that the report into Russian interference in the 2016 election and any possible collusion between President Trump's campaign and Moscow is “almost certain to be anti-climactic.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mue...tell-abcs-karl
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The ones that believe there was collusion are cut from the same cloth that believe Barry was born in Kenya.
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No collusion would be nice...if alone that will permit the Country to focus on what matters. However, "no collusion" doesn't necessarily mean "off the hook" if something else of significance is discovered. I recall GOP Congressman Trey Gowdy saying (in ref to Trump)..."If you're not guilty of anything start acting/behaving as if you're not guilty",...something to that effect.

Trump has been apoplectic re the Russian investigation from the git-go....that's the reason he gave for firing Tomey. If collusion is the only issue and there was no collusion, why would the President be concerned in the slightest about the Russian collusion investigation? Surely there is something he doesn't want discovered/publicized as an outcome of Mueller's work.

Some Priders are fond of saying that it's the never Trumpsters or Trump haters that are so determined to bring Trump down....when, in fact, Trump is as clean as a hounds tooth...guilty of nothing. Fine. Why then is the President so bent out of shape about an investigation that will turn up nothing?
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Really UAC Flyer? A 2 year colonoscopy from people who hate you and want to bring you down for any reason wouldn’t bother you?
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Straight outta the Putin Playbook:

Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/u...ent-trump.html

There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, the military alliance among the United States, Europe and Canada that has deterred Soviet and Russian aggression for 70 years.

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.
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IIRC Trump, because the United States does most of the work, probably threatened to pull out of NATO because the only ones paying their fair share was the US. You libs are all about everyone paying their "fair share" so this should have been heralded by the MSM.

From the same article Swampy referenced:
Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.
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No collusion would be nice...if alone that will permit the Country to focus on what matters. However, "no collusion" doesn't necessarily mean "off the hook" if something else of significance is discovered. I recall GOP Congressman Trey Gowdy saying (in ref to Trump)..."If you're not guilty of anything start acting/behaving as if you're not guilty",...something to that effect.

Trump has been apoplectic re the Russian investigation from the git-go....that's the reason he gave for firing Tomey. If collusion is the only issue and there was no collusion, why would the President be concerned in the slightest about the Russian collusion investigation? Surely there is something he doesn't want discovered/publicized as an outcome of Mueller's work.

Some Priders are fond of saying that it's the never Trumpsters or Trump haters that are so determined to bring Trump down....when, in fact, Trump is as clean as a hounds tooth...guilty of nothing. Fine. Why then is the President so bent out of shape about an investigation that will turn up nothing?
It is the constant drumbeat of insinuation that he did something wrong/is a crook. That sort of drumbeat eventually wears some people down and convinces them that he is guilty, despite any evidence.

That would tick me off too.
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So you guys are saying it’s perfectl normal for the President to meet one-on-one with the leader of the country that interfered with our election alone and to confiscate the notes of his interpreter?

Never happened before in either case.
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Complete non-story...there were leakers early on in the Trump administration...thus Trump tightened the circle...all top staff were aware of everything that was discussed in these meetings.

I think Trump met with the leader of Australia and I think Japan, and somebody leaked some stuff, so Trump tightened the flow of information.

These sort of leaks were highly unusual, so Trump had no choice but to respond in an unusual manner.

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Hey whattya know? Republicans collectively grow a pair and break ranks with Trump over lifting sanctions vs. Russian oligarch Deripaska:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/u...oligarchs.html
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Rudy Giuliani to @ChrisCuomo: “I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. I have not. I said the president of the United States,” adding that Trump “didn’t commit a crime.”
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Here's Donald Trump desperately trying to get Vlad's attention at the G20 dinner.

https://twitter.com/Scout_Finch/stat...91141839568896

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Hey whattya know? Republicans collectively grow a pair and break ranks with Trump over lifting sanctions vs. Russian oligarch Deripaska:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/u...oligarchs.html
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Here's Donald Trump desperately trying to get Vlad's attention at the G20 dinner.

https://twitter.com/Scout_Finch/stat...91141839568896

What secret message do you think Trump was trying to convey to Putin with his hand signals during the G20 dinner on July 7, 2017 according to your chart? Does it have anything to do with the Freemasons?
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I have no idea, but that doesn't seem to be the behavior of a man who is "tough on Russia" now does it? He looks like a school girl trying to get the attention of the cool kid at lunch.

My guess is that they coordinated what the response was going to be to the NY Times article about the Trump Tower meeting. That response was that the meeting was about "adoptions."

That response was total bullsh*t.

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