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Old 03-29-2019, 07:55 AM
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Interesting numbers. Was surprised to see such a gap in winning % between 5 and 6. That just goes to show who has been the class of the league over the past half-decade. Was also surprised to see how far down on the list SLU was, but they did have the debacle that was Crews Control, bottoming-out in 2014-15 after the success of the Majerus era (has he really been gone for over 6 years?).

Also, it shows that any “paring of the chaff” in the A10 should be more surgical and less chainsaw massacre. If they did it a year ago, strictly based on conference winning %, then Duquesne and SLU could have been on the outside looking in this past year. Dambrot clearly has DU moving in the right direction, and SLU simply grossly underperformed at the end of the Crews era.
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Thought this was on the performance of the league on a whole.

To me, the A-10 has been in a slide. Can't help but feel that we will be a bigger fish in a small talent pond.
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I'd be curious to see similar data for Big East, ACC, and SEC.
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Nothing wrong with being a big fish in a small pond if you own the pond the way Gonzaga has. The problem is, until the past 5 seasons, we didn’t come close to owning it. And even with the success of these past 5 seasons, we have yet to win an A10 Tournament championship in an arena outside Dayton, Ohio. For now, the A10 isn’t our biggest problem: we are.
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Bang for the buck.

On this topic, it does not include what schools have spent on upgrading their facilities.
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Gonzaga is certainly an outlier, but what in the world is their secret to drawing such great recruits to a bad league, in the middle of basketball nowhere? What is that 3 final 8's in the past five years. Success breads success, and we had some but hit a wall.
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Why are there 6 poy rings for just 5 years? Should be just 5 rings. SBU 1, Davidson 3, Richmond 1, SJU 1.
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Why are there 6 poy rings for just 5 years? Should be just 5 rings. SBU 1, Davidson 3, Richmond 1, SJU 1.
Last year there were Co-POY's.
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Gonzaga is certainly an outlier, but what in the world is their secret to drawing such great recruits to a bad league, in the middle of basketball nowhere

... and with no real tradition prior to the late 1990s (they seemingly came out of nowhere), and playing in a small “A 10 style” gym (current gym holds 6,000, previous gym until 2004 held 4,000)?

It really is amazing and impressive.
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... and with no real tradition prior to the late 1990s (they seemingly came out of nowhere), and playing in a small “A 10 style” gym (current gym holds 6,000, previous gym until 2004 held 4,000)?

It really is amazing and impressive.
Butler not much different. A little over twenty years ago they were almost nothing.
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Gonzaga is certainly an outlier, but what in the world is their secret to drawing such great recruits to a bad league, in the middle of basketball nowhere? What is that 3 final 8's in the past five years. Success breads success, and we had some but hit a wall.
I think the simple answer is that they have many less bigger "ponds" around. The only bigger pond is the Pac 12. UD has the Big Ten, Big East, SEC, ACC, BIG 12, and American all with basketball programs within a short driving distance.

And then we have a lot of equal size or slightly smaller "ponds" represented around us also.

Gonzaga took advantage of the situation and became the KING of non-Major basketball conference team in their vast area. They easily get the B-Rob type players that UD has to fight like hell to even get a visit from. But due to their recent success, they now out recruit even the big pond schools in the West.

How they got to be successful is one thing, why they continue to remain or become more so is another. And nobody in the eastern half of the USA will be able to duplicate it because the landscape is too different.
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I'd say we are doing really well on the win percentage considering we had a coaching change dropped in the middle of the stat pool.

This also tells me a performance based conference schedule would be a nice change for the A10, if we had Fordham twice on the schedule, there would have been a real good chance for a second place finish for us this year (nice move Davidson). That said, this year is not a good example for matching up the best teams to finish the league play, since there was not many chances for quality wins outside of VCU and Davidson this year. Past years this has been different, but I also think it provides good incentives for programs to step it up.

Has anyone looked at how the Conference USA scheduling worked out?
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Gonzaga is certainly an outlier, but what in the world is their secret to drawing such great recruits to a bad league, in the middle of basketball nowhere? What is that 3 final 8's in the past five years. Success breads success, and we had some but hit a wall.
Gonzaga has an assistant, Tommy Lloyd, who's plugged into the international recruiting scene. They've had a ton of success in Europe, Canada and abroad

As they've kept winning, their US recruiting has improved too
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Has anyone looked at how the Conference USA scheduling worked out?

Mark Adams was saying on Twitter he was happy with the way it worked out. No one was close to being an at large team so the top teams in the CUSA pods beat each other up but according to Adams the pods helped the computer numbers
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A couple things stand out to me from this little graphic.

I could have guessed Fordham would be last on here. I would not have guessed UMass was second to the bottom. That's a program that really has to be pick it up. They've got the ability to be a top half of the A10 program.

George Washington despite two bad years is still in the middle pack. I would have guessed they were lower off the top of my head but that's a testament to how well Lonergan did there. That's a program the A10 needs to rebound
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The problem with Fordham, Umass and GW is that they always seem to be going through coaches and rebuilding. This year Umass has lost at least half of its team due to transfers.
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... and with no real tradition prior to the late 1990s (they seemingly came out of nowhere), and playing in a small “A 10 style” gym (current gym holds 6,000, previous gym until 2004 held 4,000)?

It really is amazing and impressive.
Ever been to Spokane? 6,000 is about all you need.

The area is absolutely gorgeous in the summer.
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Ever been to Spokane? 6,000 is about all you need.

Right, which makes it all the more curious how they are able to consistently attract high-caliber talent.

“Hey, come on up to Randomville, Northwest USA and play Santa Clara, Portland, and Pacific in front of 6,000 people. As a bonus, we’re near Canada and Idaho! It’s gorgeous in the off-season.”

Doesn’t exactly scream “basketball destination.”
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Ever been to Spokane? 6,000 is about all you need.

The area is absolutely gorgeous in the summer.
I’ve only been to Spokane for survival training (saw the last flight of that B-52 before the horrible Fairchild crash in ‘94), but I agree it’s a beautiful area.
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UAC has posted more than once that an AD told him Gonzaga sold their soul for their success. Maybe he could elaborate (or correct me if I misquoted him).
Don’t know if this applies to Gonzaga’s situation, but I met a guy a couple years ago who said the same thing about Georgetown and how they rose to prominence about 40 years ago. His context was, Georgetown bent its academic standards WAY over to admit a lot of the players who laid the groundwork for Hoya Paranoia and those trips to the Final Four. And this was a guy from the east coast, who played D-I basketball back in the ‘80s and has gone on to have a successful career in business, so he had some insider info on which to base his claim.

Again, don’t know if this applies to Gonzaga, and they certainly don’t have the academic reputation of Georgetown, but that’s how the Hoyas did it.
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Don’t know if this applies to Gonzaga’s situation, but I met a guy a couple years ago who said the same thing about Georgetown and how they rose to prominence about 40 years ago. His context was, Georgetown bent its academic standards WAY over to admit a lot of the players who laid the groundwork for Hoya Paranoia and those trips to the Final Four. And this was a guy from the east coast, who played D-I basketball back in the ‘80s and has gone on to have a successful career in business, so he had some insider info on which to base his claim.

Again, don’t know if this applies to Gonzaga, and they certainly don’t have the academic reputation of Georgetown, but that’s how the Hoyas did it.
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Nothing wrong with being a big fish in a small pond if you own the pond the way Gonzaga has. The problem is, until the past 5 seasons, we didn’t come close to owning it. And even with the success of these past 5 seasons, we have yet to win an A10 Tournament championship in an arena outside Dayton, Ohio. For now, the A10 isn’t our biggest problem: we are.
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Not necessarily a direct response to you T-Bone, but several posts re: Gonzaga and a correlation to UD and/or what they should or shoudn’t be doing.

I agree, a big fish in a small(er) pond can work and can remain competitive and relevant nationally. The challenge UD faces is that the A10 pond is historically a much bigger pond than the WCC. No, the conference ranks aren’t a tremendous difference. And the A10 has been down the last couple years. Trend? IDK, time will tell. It’s tougher to “dominate” the A10 than it is the WCC. WCC has never (extremely rare) had 3, 4 and 5 teams in at-large contention. You can argue that’s not the A10 anymore, given the last 2 years. _avier did it for a reasonable stretch in the A10 and then jumped to “greener” pastures. Wichita St. did the same in the Valley.

Our options:

Dominate the A10, but that probably only happens if the A10 weakens or continues to weaken as slightly as it has.
Seize another opportunity when/if there’s another conference shake up.
Continue what we’re doing and hope/help elevate the A10 to where it’s been the last 3-10 years. I think we get plenty of decent shots at a quality wins in the non-con and need the A10 to provide 4-6 Q1 win ops AND 6-10 Q2 ops.
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Don’t know if this applies to Gonzaga’s situation, but I met a guy a couple years ago who said the same thing about Georgetown and how they rose to prominence about 40 years ago. His context was, Georgetown bent its academic standards WAY over to admit a lot of the players who laid the groundwork for Hoya Paranoia and those trips to the Final Four. And this was a guy from the east coast, who played D-I basketball back in the ‘80s and has gone on to have a successful career in business, so he had some insider info on which to base his claim.

Again, don’t know if this applies to Gonzaga, and they certainly don’t have the academic reputation of Georgetown, but that’s how the Hoyas did it.
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Gonzaga I don't think has sold it's soul. They've done well with transfers and exploited their niche in overseas recruiting
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Right, which makes it all the more curious how they are able to consistently attract high-caliber talent.

“Hey, come on up to Randomville, Northwest USA and play Santa Clara, Portland, and Pacific in front of 6,000 people. As a bonus, we’re near Canada and Idaho! It’s gorgeous in the off-season.”

Doesn’t exactly scream “basketball destination.”
not at all. Go look through the last 10 plus years and even longer and see all the transfers that they bring in every year. They have built their success on transfers
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Gonzaga I don't think has sold it's soul. They've done well with transfers and exploited their niche in overseas recruiting

I'd like to know if UAC has any details.
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Being close to Canada has been an advantage for them. They landed Kelly Olynyk and Robert Sacre, 2 NBA players, out of British Columbia.
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High profile Gonzaga transfers:
Brandon Clarke (San Jose State)
Johnathan Williams (Missouri)
Nigel Williams-Goss (Washington)
Jordan Matthews (Cal)
Eric McClellan (Vanderbilt)
Kyle Wiltjer (Kentucky)
Byron Wesley (USC)
Michah Downs (Kansas)
Errol Knight (Washington)
Dan Dikau (Washington)

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Ronny Turiaf, Martinique via France (NBA)
J.P. Batista Brazil
Kevin Pangos Canada
Kelly Olynyk Canada (1st round pick)
Robert Sacre Canada (NBA)
Elias Harris Germany
Kyle Wiltjer Canada
Domantas Sabonis Lithuania (1st round pick)
Rui Hachimura Japan
Killian Tillie France, Brandon Clarke Canada
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Przemek Karnowski Poland
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It helps that Mark Few has not left Gonzaga. They have been in their new arena for about 15 years now, the old one was even smaller.

All of that progress in only about 25 years. Impressive.

They made the NIT in 1994, their first modern trip to the postseason.


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It helps that Mark Few has not left Gonzaga. They have been in their new arena for about 15 years now, the old one was even smaller.

All of that progress in only about 25 years. Impressive.

They made the NIT in 1994, their first modern trip to the postseason.

The Gonzaga Era began with John Stockton - a local kid who decided to stay home:

After considering offers from Don Monson at Idaho and Mike Montgomery at Montana, both in the Big Sky Conference, Stockton decided to stay in Spokane and play college basketball for Dan Fitzgerald at Gonzaga University. He became the third generation in his family at GU; grandfather Houston Stockton was a well-known football player for the Bulldogs in the 1920s. Fitzgerald was also the athletic director; he stepped away from coaching for four years after Stockton's freshman year and promoted assistant Jay Hillock to head coach.

During his senior year for the Bulldogs in 1984, Stockton averaged 20.9 points per game, shooting 57% from the field. The Zags posted a 17–11 record, their best in 17 years, and Stockton led the West Coast Athletic Conference in scoring, assists, and steals.


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That it's not the campus that matters...it's what's on the campus.

In all seriousness, have you ever seen a National Champion in FB, BB, etc...with ugly cheerleaders?? Ever?

Me neither.
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I was looking at the 2020 NCAAT sites, and I did not realize that Spokane has a 12k seat arena, which is one of the 2020 NCAAT hosts. Gonzaga plays bigger-name opponents there on occasion.

Opened in 1995, right about when Gonzaga started to take off.

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I was looking at the 2020 NCAAT sites, and I did not realize that Spokane has a 12k seat arena, which is one of the 2020 NCAAT hosts. Gonzaga plays bigger-name opponents there on occasion.

Opened in 1995, right about when Gonzaga started to take off.

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They've quit playing games there, they used to play Memphis there when they had their Jan/Feb. OOC game.
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They've quit playing games there, they used to play Memphis there when they had their Jan/Feb. OOC game.
That was the site of the Tulsa ncaat loss IINM, completely forgot about that.
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