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Obi went 0-1 and grabbed 3 boards in 10 minutes in a come from behind W over the Celts.
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Julius Randle sick of Knicks fans booing him & gives them thumbs down. This same act didn't work out too well for the Mets players with the New York fans last season.

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Knicks/Celts rematch is on NBA-TV at 7:30 pm tonight.
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Obi had what can best be described as a really sh*tty night. 0-3 in nine minutes with 2 boards and he had a couple of shot attempts swatted. Evan Fournier who torched the Cs the other night was unavailable and it showed as the NYK got trounced.

Boys and girls, I'm afraid our guy's minutes have regressed to last year's level, which is to say he will be utilized as a backup for Jules and nothing more.
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Obi had what can best be described as a really sh*tty night. 0-3 in nine minutes with 2 boards and he had a couple of shot attempts swatted. Evan Fournier who torched the Cs the other night was unavailable and it showed as the NYK got trounced.

Boys and girls, I'm afraid our guy's minutes have regressed to last year's level, which is to say he will be utilized as a backup for Jules and nothing more.
Obi seemed to be lacking his normal go go go energy tonight. I have not seen him that lack luster with energy - well ever. Think maybe Thibs said to him - you are going to get 9 to 10 minutes max a night here on out? Something seems to have Obi looking down out there. Getting pretty depressing watching the last few games. But seems Thibs is determined come hell or high water not to use Obi.
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Knicks were pathetic tonight.
Sad to see what is happening to Obi. I agree that he appears discouraged


Obi is a different player when Derrick Rose plays. No one else on the Knicks ever looks for him. And that won’t happen again for a while.
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The theory is that Thibs wasn't happy with the pick and is now "punishing" Obi (or rather, punishing the front office) by not playing and stunting the young star. The problem with the theory is that it implies that Thibs is literally sabotaging his own team.

Sounds crazy until you watch a few games.
Not a fan of the NBA of today, other than Golden State, because of the way I’ve seen them run their offense. For that reason, I can’t stomach watching Knicks games for 2 hours, just to hope to catch the 10-12 minutes that Thibs consents to play Obi. Not saying that Obi is the next Kevin Durant. Just saying I can’t see him ever reaching his potential in Thibs’ “system”.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
Obi had what can best be described as a really sh*tty night. 0-3 in nine minutes with 2 boards and he had a couple of shot attempts swatted. Evan Fournier who torched the Cs the other night was unavailable and it showed as the NYK got trounced.

Boys and girls, I'm afraid our guy's minutes have regressed to last year's level, which is to say he will be utilized as a backup for Jules and nothing more.
I think this was his first bad game this year. I’m not sure anyone else on the Knicks can say that. I remember 2 other games that were below par but not terrible. I think Rose being out and the fact he gets stonewalled by Thibs at every turn is taking its toll. I don’t know if Obi should be starting, but he deserves more minutes. The last game he started, he played both the 4 and the 5 and had his best game. As much as he loves NY...his best hope right now is to be traded.
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I think this was his first bad game this year. I’m not sure anyone else on the Knicks can say that. I remember 2 other games that were below par but not terrible. I think Rose being out and the fact he gets stonewalled by Thibs at every turn is taking its toll. I don’t know if Obi should be starting, but he deserves more minutes. The last game he started, he played both the 4 and the 5 and had his best game. As much as he loves NY...his best hope right now is to be traded.
Obi could be a really good fit in a place like San Antonio (where Pop has proven that he knows how to use the talent provided to him).
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Every time Obi runs to the coffin corner and stands, a kitten dies. With no Rose or Kemba, even the hint of a baseline backdoor lob is no bueno.
I watched the great movie, "Its a Wonderful Life" with Jimmy Stewart last week and I think if Obi would be so fortunate to get traded, instead of a kitten dying when he went to the corner he would be free to run anywhere and the new quote would be, "every time a bell rings an angel gets his wings!"
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Every time Obi runs to the coffin corner and stands, a kitten dies. With no Rose or Kemba, even the hint of a baseline backdoor lob is no bueno.
I get that Obi is not such a special player that an NBA team would change their scheme to fit him, but he does not fit the Knicks scheme, IMO. I agree that every time he is sent to the corner to wait on a pass, a kitten is set on fire. He just needs to be in a different scheme to be successful. The more he moves on offense, the better he is. I think he would be a completely different player on a team that has a motion offense and allows him to continuously move. Does that exist in the NBA? I have not watched enough NBA games to know.

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Every time Obi runs to the coffin corner and stands, a kitten dies. With no Rose or Kemba, even the hint of a baseline backdoor lob is no bueno.
Add Quickley to that list. He has good chemistry with Obi as well.

Thibs needs to go.
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I get that Obi is not such a special player that an NBA team would change their scheme to fit him, but he does not fit the Knicks scheme, IMO. I agree that every time he is sent to the corner to wait on a pass, a kitten is set on fire. He just needs to be in a different scheme to be successful. The more he moves on offense, the better he is. I think he would be a completely different player on a team that has a motion offense and allows him to continuously move. Does that exist in the NBA? I have not watched enough NBA games to know.
Yes, that exists in the NBA. Look at the teams at the top, like Golden State.

Look at the stats for teams that have more assists than the Knicks (which is almost everybody in the league) and you see why Obi does not fit.
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From The Knicks Wall:: Obi Toppin is more than lobs and breakaway dunks:

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Obi got 7 2Q minutes and tallied 2 points and a pair of boards. His one hoop on an oop from Quickley:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...11732565790721

On a night where Randle was 1-7 and had scored 2 points thus far, #1 got three minutes in the 4Q.

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So obi played less than 3 minutes in the 4th quarter and gets yanked for no reason at all. Obi was clearly miffed. And it was not like Randle was having a good night. He only had 2 pts at that point. With 3 minutes left in the quarter and time to empty the benches Obi was handed a mop and told to go back in. He had some nice revenge on Thibs however - with two highlight dunks that got the garden to their feet. Obi may not ever win over Thibs - but he clearly has won over the Garden.
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It’s almost like Thibs is daring the Knicks’ brass to fire him.
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So obi played less than 3 minutes in the 4th quarter and gets yanked for no reason at all. Obi was clearly miffed. And it was not like Randle was having a good night. He only had 2 pts at that point. With 3 minutes left in the quarter and time to empty the benches Obi was handed a mop and told to go back in. He had some nice revenge on Thibs however - with two highlight dunks that got the garden to their feet. Obi may not ever win over Thibs - but he clearly has won over the Garden.
One possible positive, that isn't likely isn't a positive to Obi, is that if the relationship gets strained enough, Obi will likely look to leave NY sooner than he otherwise might have.

I think worse than the 10-12 minutes he gets now would be to get 15-20 a night but play for a horrible organization and coach.

I am betting Obi thought his dream was to play for the Knicks as long as they'd have him. I am betting that has changed. I'd love him to be a solid contributor for a really good 'team'.
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Nice article on Obi. Why the small potatoes cheap shot at UD? He came to UD and the coaching staff built him into the player he became. Why not credit the program and just say the coaches did a fine job and he'll be a good pro eventually. Not to mention, UD has faired very well against the P5 conferences. One of the best players, if not the best, came out of Davidson. Perhaps just acknowledge that more teams than Duke, Kansas etc play the game and play it very well.
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Nice article on Obi. Why the small potatoes cheap shot at UD? He came to UD and the coaching staff built him into the player he became. Why not credit the program and just say the coaches did a fine job and he'll be a good pro eventually. Not to mention, UD has faired very well against the P5 conferences. One of the best players, if not the best, came out of Davidson. Perhaps just acknowledge that more teams than Duke, Kansas etc play the game and play it very well.
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Julius Randall has a trade restriction that expires Feb 3rd. Will that 'thumbs down' reaction to the crowd booing him last week force a move...probably not.
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Julius Randall has a trade restriction that expires Feb 3rd. Will that 'thumbs down' reaction to the crowd booing him last week force a move...probably not.
Yeah, I wouldn't bet on that. The NYK weakness is at PG with Jalen Rose injured, IQ more interested in launching threes and Kemba Walker being a defensive liability.
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Trade rumor from Heavy.com (where UD grad Steve Bulpett will soon be covering the NBA) involving Obi coming to the Detroit Pistons in a package for Jerami Grant:

https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-kn...rade-proposal/
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Obi gets 5 minutes and is a member of Club Trillion--zeroes all the way across the box score.

The game is on ESPN is you want to tune in for more of the same at the start of the 4Q.

Obi got to watch RJ Barrett throw one down: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...53905946939394

Then missed a dunk of his own. Then he sat down after 4 minutes...in a NYK blowout. He came back in with a minute and change remaining and finally did something of consequence:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...60061264179201

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Just under 30 days to the Feb 10th trade deadline. I watched a little of the Knicks v Mavs game last night. Obi did not appear to be his normal high-energy self. He seems deflated. Works is rear end off and was playing very well a couple weeks ago. Really contributing from the bench. It doesn’t appear to matter and maybe a trade is exactly what would be best for him. He will hate leaving NY, but his skill sets and style of play just does not appear to be something Thibs wants to use and work into the offense. A lot of standing in the corner last night. Trades are part of the business. Hopefully a better opportunity will come out of this sooner rather than later.
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Just under 30 days to the Feb 10th trade deadline. I watched a little of the Knicks v Mavs game last night. Obi did not appear to be his normal high-energy self. He seems deflated. Works is rear end off and was playing very well a couple weeks ago. Really contributing from the bench. It doesn’t appear to matter and maybe a trade is exactly what would be best for him. He will hate leaving NY, but his skill sets and style of play just does not appear to be something Thibs wants to use and work into the offense. A lot of standing in the corner last night. Trades are part of the business. Hopefully a better opportunity will come out of this sooner rather than later.
In the first half, I saw him fight to be wide open for a pass or oop and not even a look. He then proceeded to go into the corner and stood there with his hands on his hips, looking deflated or disgusted. He did the same in the second half but it was a bit after he missed his dunk.

I agree, he looks spent trying to earn his time.
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Obi gets 5 minutes and is a member of Club Trillion--zeroes all the way across the box score.

I can't help but believe that Obi knows something, and it is more fact than rumor.
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Swampy, to be part of club trillion, you can't have played more than 1 min. So your box score looks like a 1 followed by all zeros.
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Trade deadline approaching in under 30 days. Obi name will be attached, realistically or not, to many, many trade possibilities.

If knicks do not move Randle (or to lesser degree Robinson), it's very likely in Obi's interest to get moved out of the Knicks org.

Playing time has gotten worse since Randle returned . If Obi had gotten drafted last year by Cleveland, Chicago, Golden St or couple of others he , IMHO, would be doing better, playing more. Cleveland really would have been a Home run!
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I watched game last night. Knicks played well. Barrett is on a role.
Knicks were also lucky as Mavs clanked a ton of open 3-point shots.

I feel really bad for Obi. He plays two positions, end of the bench and decoy in the corner.

I don't see Knicks trading Randle. He is Thibs' guy. Knicks do need another Rose type player at guard. I am skeptical of Cleveland as a destination. Their front line is very tall and suddenly very good. They needed a guard and just picked up Rondo.

NBA is not as fun to watch as college and the Knicks are especially difficult to watch.
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The reality with the Knicks is when healthy at the 4 & 5 spots there aren't minutes for Obi, which is painful for us Flyer Faithful. They have Randle, Gibson, Robinson, Noel, and Sims all playing the same position(s). Plus the Knicks are a shoot first - pass second offense which doesn't bode well for Obi. I am looking forward to seeing where he ends up post-trade deadline and just hope it's on a team that can use his skill set.
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Knicks just traded for Cam Reddish. This will not help in PT for Obi.
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I don’t think this will change things much. Both Reddish and Knox have been busts. Kevin Knox was stapled to the NYK bench. Reddish is more of a 3 and Obi a 4/5 so they shouldn’t complete for minutes.
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All depends on more trades to come. I highly doubt the Knicks and Hawks are done!
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I don’t think this will change things much. Both Reddish and Knox have been busts. Kevin Knox was stapled to the NYK bench. Reddish is more of a 3 and Obi a 4/5 so they shouldn’t complete for minutes.
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The Knicks also picked up Solomon Hill, who plays inside. Just do Obi and his fans a favor and trade him.
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Maybe Obi was told he will be traded. And Obi does not want to go - so he turned off the motor the last few games in hopes it will kill any trade. Just speculating.
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Solomon Hill averaged .6 PPG in 13 games for the Hawks and shot 15%. He’s not playing over Obi.

https://www.basketball-reference.com.../hillso01.html

Especially since Hill is injured and out for the season.

The Ringer can’t figure out who fleeced who in this deal:

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/1...awks-trade-nba

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Solomon Hill averaged .6 PPG in 13 games for the Hawks and shot 15%. He’s not playing over Obi.

https://www.basketball-reference.com.../hillso01.html

Especially since Hill is injured and out for the season.

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Thanks for the additional info - nonetheless, Obi and his fans are still being cheated.
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The best don't shy away from competing, and Obi will just continue to grind. Can't be worried about whatever trades are happening. Parts of his game need work, but when his skill set is utilized as is, he's demonstrated he can be a solid contributor. Perhaps with some polish more than just contributing. Just don't think the style played by the Knicks fits him.

All of that said, the NBA bores me. Used to love those old blood feud rivalries. Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Bulls etc. Had to be tough back in the day.

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Sorry I'm late posting anything about tonight's game but I didn't watch a second of it. Obi played 9 minutes and had zero shot attempts and, needless to say, zero highlights.
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Sad to see a coach and team ruin a player with potential.

Obi has to beg for a trade at this point.
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Obi has to beg for a trade at this point.
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It just seems like every Obi dunk just grates on Thibs. Just digs a deeper divide because each dunk brings down the MSG roof. And then there were none. Sad.
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Obi energized - has 5 quick pts and I believe 3 RBs in first 2 minutes
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7 point in three minutes now. Thibs must be sick,they are letting Obi touch the ball
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Obi making things happen right away. Good D and then drained a three:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...48067708850181

Missed his next trey but followed it up with this drive:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...48557809074178

Obi oop from IQ: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...49378135146497

He did miss a pair of FTs before Thibs did the inevitable. In 5 minutes #1 had 7 points and 2 boards.

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A very productive 4 minutes and 41 seconds and sent to the bench.

Screw you Thibs. Quickly remembering why I do not watch this pro **** they call basketball.
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My almost 94 year old mom says “Why is Obi out? He hardly played”….i say - “the coach is a moron and doesn’t like him”. She just shakes her head. You can’t make this **** up…
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“We want Obi” is the chant in the Garden near the end of the 3rd quarter and the Knicks down 20.

F*ck Thibs. We’ll see who leaves NY first:Thibs or Obi. Co-existence is not a viable option.
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If I hear one more person say Obi's defense is why he does not play I am going to puke. Have you watched Randles lack of effort on D? His who gives a crap attitude with no hustle?
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Too productive in 5 minutes.Thibs got him the heck out there.
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Obi scores again as Thibs leaves him in to clean up in garbage time:

https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...CzwZ3foZUpAAAA

Another oop from IQ: https://twitter.com/TheKnicksWall/st...Cynezlo5UpAAAA

11 markers in 16 minutes and a +12--all of the starters were in negative double figures.

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Once again, Obi leads the team with +12. Starters all in a double digit hole.
No matter, he’ll just get his 7-9 minutes next game.
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It took 30 seconds for Obi to learn the half-court offense. Go to the corner and stand there.

I've never seen a player's offensive skills utilized so poorly. If Thibs was coaching the Tampa Bay Bucs, he would make Brady hand off the ball every time.

Frazier commented on the bad half-court offense against the zone. Ball circles around the perimeter. Obi could make a big difference on an inside outside zone offense.
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If I hear one more person say Obi's defense is why he does not play I am going to puke. Have you watched Randles lack of effort on D? His who gives a crap attitude with no hustle?
Same with shooting the 3. The Knicks are terrible from 3....all of them. They need to spend the next two weeks only practicing 3 pt shots. I don’t know how many air balls I saw today.
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Obi and the NYK on NBA-TV again tonight.

Meanwhile, here is Obi's career in a nutshell: https://twitter.com/APachecoNBA/stat...44338432618496
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Obi and the NYK on NBA-TV again tonight.

Meanwhile, here is Obi's career in a nutshell: https://twitter.com/APachecoNBA/stat...44338432618496
The Knicks are a shoot first, pass when in desperation team.

Duquesne talked about that concept in his post-game on Saturday. It is not a winning formula. You can get away with it once in a while, but not consistently.
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Obi and the NYK on NBA-TV again tonight.

Meanwhile, here is Obi's career in a nutshell: https://twitter.com/APachecoNBA/stat...44338432618496
Watched the 4th quarter as I figured he’d play most/all of it and knew this was the lowlight in the tweet without opening it. I was a huge ball hog when I was young. My motto was always ‘I have to have the ball to be effective’. Even with that I’d still be the assist leader if I played for the Knicks. The game is unwatchable the way they play it.
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Obi's highlight from his 7 1H minutes:

https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/1483610468488921088
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So Obi did nothing in his 5 first half minutes tonight, but his nothing is better than whatever it is Randle is doing.

Through 3 quarters Thibs favorite son has played 31 minutes, 1 for 10 from the field, 2 for 4 from the line for a total of 4 points. His plus minus is -26 as the Knicks trail 81-57.

Great job coach, just keep doing what does not work game after game. Dumb Ass.
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NYK trailed at one time by 23. Obi and the Bench Mob proceeded cut it to 10. Obi shot the ball once in 19 minutes--a semi-desperation three that missed but was +15.
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