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Anyone check his account lately...no mention of UD commit.
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He took off "Dayton commit" on Instagram account.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:35 PM
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His team just lost in the state championship. Finds out Archie is moving on. A lot for a young man to digest. We will find out soon if these guys are bought into the program or just Archie.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:40 PM
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as hard as he is taking this I would not doubt one bit if he's headed to Bloomington as long as Archie has an extra ship available
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as hard as he is taking this I would not doubt one bit if he's headed to Bloomington as long as Archie has an extra ship available
Would be odd for a kid to follow a coach who just dropped a bombshell on him right before a state championship game. Highly doubt he goes to IU. Remember, Ostrom was the driving force behind his committment.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:47 PM
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He sounds pretty distraught on his twitter account, feel bad for the kid. Has to be a tough process going through recruiting as you just can't always trust what coaches tell you.
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His team just lost in the state championship. Finds out Archie is moving on. A lot for a young man to digest. We will find out soon if these guys are bought into the program or just Archie.
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I would love to see him in a Flyer uniform this winter. McKinley, the door is still wide open, and the Welcome Mat is still out. But if you were sold on being an Archie Miller player and not a UD Flyer, then all I can say is, we still want you even if Archie no longer wants us.
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He's not coming here. We're going to have a couple of down years coming. That's what happens when you lose 4 seniors and your coach in the same year.
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Would be odd for a kid to follow a coach who just dropped a bombshell on him right before a state championship game. Highly doubt he goes to IU. Remember, Ostrom was the driving force behind his committment.
Lol. Archie did not drop a bombshell on him. The announcement by Indiana was the bombshell. If AM stayed at UD and Ostrom left for another gig we would not be having this thread as Wright would be at UD 100% next season. Right or wrong, as a kid should commit to a school first versus a coach, the kid wanted to, and may still want to, play for Miller.
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I worked for a company for a while and when I came to work one day I had new business cards on my desk. We had been sold (to a public company, which is why they could not tell us in advance).

I was happy working there and liked the people. The office was not moving and I still had my private office. My day to day would change somewhat with new software, CRM, processes, etc. Management probably would change somewhat. A lot would stay the same, a lot of unknowns remain.

The best thing I did was completely reevaluate everything and how it weighed with the competition. If my environment was going to change, I needed to take a step back and make sure that I wanted to change with it.

If I were a recruit, I would do the same. UD is a special place. Let's hope that when the analysis is done they will come to the right conclusion and stay a Flyer. But the sooner we name a quality coach, the better.

For me, after much back and forth it was still to many unknowns to overcome. I moved to a different company where I remained now for the last six years.
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This is a big decision in the lives of these kids. Yes...they are kids.

Current players and incoming recruits all have the right to evaluate their options as new information comes to them. I would question their decision making if they didn't at least sit back and think about it.

I think they are all being very mature for their age. Yes, they are tweeting and removing UD references from their social media. However almost all of them have publicly stated their intent to wait and see. Gather more information and make a choice.

In the meantime they are all part of the Flyer Family. Part of what they were sold on was a great fan base. Let's live up to our end of the bargain and show them the support they need right now. And no - that doesn't mean you should tweet them or attempt to contact them in any way. But we can start by treating them like the family they are instead of assuming they are all leaving.

If any of them decide to leave - I would hope we all show them respect when the time comes.
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I think they should add KD as a grad assitant for next year. In the mean time he might be able to make the incoming commits more comfortable in staying.
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This is a big decision in the lives of these kids. Yes...they are kids.

Current players and incoming recruits all have the right to evaluate their options as new information comes to them. I would question their decision making if they didn't at least sit back and think about it.

I think they are all being very mature for their age. Yes, they are tweeting and removing UD references from their social media. However almost all of them have publicly stated their intent to wait and see. Gather more information and make a choice.

In the meantime they are all part of the Flyer Family. Part of what they were sold on was a great fan base. Let's live up to our end of the bargain and show them the support they need right now. And no - that doesn't mean you should tweet them or attempt to contact them in any way. But we can start by treating them like the family they are instead of assuming they are all leaving.

If any of them decide to leave - I would hope we all show them respect when the time comes.
No they are not kids, we don't send kids to defend our country. Adolescents are young adults maturing from kids to be more adult like. At age 18 they can sign binding agreements, vote etc.

Perhaps that is one of the problems we have with society is coddling our adolescents instead of preparing them for the future world as an adult.

Today we have kids and adults, with the important period of maturity missing. Lets put adolescents back in society where it belongs, intermediary to adulthood.
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Well said, MNFats.

Messrs. Wright, Carter, Pierce, Davis, Svoboda, and (of course) Antetokounmpo, we know you have some hard decisions to make in the days to come. If I may impart a bit of wisdom and a history lesson, we endured a coaching change TO Coach Miller 6 years ago, just as we are all enduring a coaching change FROM Coach Miller now. Both of our freshman recruits (Henton & Gibson) chose to go elsewhere, as did 2 of our 4 recruits (Staten & Spearman) from the previous season. Another recruit (Hill) chose to leave a year later. 1 recruit out of the 6 chose to come in the first place, and stay all 4 years. That recruit, Devin Oliver, became a Senior co-captain of the squad that went to the Elite Eight in 2014.

Can lightning strike twice? The Flyer Faithful would sure like to find out, and we would love to see you be the ones to make it happen.

Give the hiring process a chance to work. We will. They call us the Flyer Faithful for a reason. We would love to show you why.

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I think they should add KD as a grad assitant for next year. In the mean time he might be able to make the incoming commits more comfortable in staying.
That's a two way street. I am not sure why he would have any interest in that when he could play in Europe and make money playing.
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That's a two way street. I am not sure why he would have any interest in that when he could play in Europe and make money playing.
Exactly...they can coach when they are done playing...no way he doesn't play tax free across the pond...versus coaching here on a modest salary when still in his playing prime.
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I was thinking Kyle, Kendall, Scootchie, and Charles may be the best embassy dorsett for UD right now.
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Lets put adolescents back in society where it belongs, intermediary to adulthood.
I'm fine with that, but if you read my post and decided to argue the semantics of kids vs adolescents then I fear you missed the larger point I was trying to make.

I'm not saying it applies to you, but I have been disappointed in some of our fans the last couple of days.
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McKinley is calling XW and KD "family" on twitter and red/blue emojis after it. May not mean anything, but certainly the most encouraging thing I've seen in the last couple days.
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McKinley is calling XW and KD "family" on twitter and red/blue emojis after it. May not mean anything, but certainly the most encouraging thing I've seen in the last couple days.
Based on this and what we know his track record to be, I'm all the more sold on KD as a Grad Assistant this coming year. Guy is a true leader. Who knows? Maybe 10-15 years from now, we could have a true Flyer as our HC? 1 word - youneverknow.
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While it is not proper for fans to reach out to recruits, it does not apply to our current players. Feeling is KD and company have reached out to MW and the others. Stay positive everyone.
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While it is not proper for fans to reach out to recruits, it does not apply to our current players. Feeling is KD and company have reached out to MW and the others. Stay positive everyone.
I hope this is true and if it is, then current/graduating seniors like KD are cementing their place in Flyer history. Would love to see KD on the bench as a grad assistant- love the tenacity he brought. I could easily see KD as a Head coach someone in the future. may as well start it here.

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I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
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I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
He'll have to stick some lures in the European water, and see what kind of nibbles he gets. If he doesn't get a good vibe, then by all means, I'd love to see him back here next year, as a Grad Assistant. Guy is a real leader.

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I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
He'll need to stick in a Euro A league to make that kind of jack. Not sure he can. He simply may have coaching in his blood and it's "pay me now or pay me later" and I could see the kid maybe being a HC in 10-12 years but a nicely compensated assistant sooner than that..
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I have no idea what his earning potential is overseas, but I do know that his college coach had to make a similar decision, knew that his long term goal was coaching and choose to start in that route rather than head overseas to make some coin. I have no idea if Kyle has any interest in coaching, but I have little doubt that he'll be successful at whatever he makes his life's calling. From the outside, it looks like he'd make an excellent teacher/motivator/mentor for young boys/men in some regard.
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It would make no sense for Kostas to leave unless it was to play in Europe or the d-league, or declare for the draft.

I don't see Kyle as a coach, too much of a hot head IMO. He often got away with it on the court, but always flirted with the line. Staring down the opponents bench, getting a few wacks in on a trap, talking trash, show boating, etc. Fortunately for us he always backed it up with his play.

We have a very good base of players coming back and to transfer knowing you are going to get big minutes seems like an odd choice, but Khari and Gav did it so who knows.
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It would make no sense for Kostas to leave unless it was to play in Europe or the d-league, or declare for the draft.

I don't see Kyle as a coach, too much of a hot head IMO. He often got away with it on the court, but always flirted with the line. Staring down the opponents bench, getting a few wacks in on a trap, talking trash, show boating, etc. Fortunately for us he always backed it up with his play.

We have a very good base of players coming back and to transfer knowing you are going to get big minutes seems like an odd choice, but Khari and Gav did it so who knows.
Which are the exact reasons that made him the player he was. I would not look too much at what a 18-22 year old kid does on a BB court and hold him to that the rest of his life. KD had very little actual offensive basketball skill at the college level and relied on extreme athletic ability, work ethic, and a toughness....He had to get himself fired up just the way a more skilled player has to fire himself up by knocking down that 1st jump shot..
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I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
Grad assistants don't come close to making 30k a year. More like 10-15 max for basketball GA's.
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Grad assistants don't come close to making 30k a year. More like 10-15 max for basketball GA's.
You beat me to the punch. KD is better suited to go international and make much more money than anywhere as a GA.

We need to accept that Wright is likely not coming and he might not be the only one.
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You beat me to the punch. KD is better suited to go international and make much more money than anywhere as a GA.

We need to accept that Wright is likely not coming and he might not be the only one.
And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
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And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
If he does this, I would lose whatever respect I have left of him.
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On one hand, if a kid does not want to be at Dayton, then let him go where the heck he wants.
But on the other, if a kid follows the coach, then what is to keep a school from hiring a coach just to bring his committed kids with him ... say like a Lorenzo Ball? That would be a horrible "arms" race...
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On one hand, if a kid does not want to be at Dayton, then let him go where the heck he wants.
But on the other, if a kid follows the coach, then what is to keep a school from hiring a coach just to bring his committed kids with him ... say like a Lorenzo Ball? That would be a horrible "arms" race...
That's already a thing. Missouri just did it. They hired a coach because his kid (the #1 recruit in this class) was available. And guess what - the #1 recruit is now going to Missouri.
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Gregory stated when he took the GT job that Flyer commitments should stay Flyer commitments and he would not offer them a place at GT at the expense of Dayton. It probably made his job more difficult - Ladontae Henton could have altered Tech's trajectory. But he took the high road to his possible own detriment. Another reason BG was and is a good human.
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I've always thought the NCAA should add a rule that if a coach leaves, any signed recruits could not follow them for one year. That way they would give the signing school a running chance to keep their recruits. It would shut down backroom discussions that we all know go on in many of these cases. The recruit could go to a different school. They could attend the school they signed with. After a year if they waned to follow the coach, they can, but they have to follow all transfer rules and sit out a year. I would also write in an exception for any son or daughter case. They want to play for their dad/mom and I think that is an exception that is understandable. Probably a few more items I haven't thought of, but I'm surprised schools haven't talked about this type of a rule.

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And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
Dirty? He (along with the staff) did the hard work in selling him on his vision. I wouldn't see that as dirty at all. Nothing different from someone in sales recruiting a customer over to another vendor if you change jobs. If he truly believes in their talent and has room for them at IU, I would expect him to want them to follow him.
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And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
That's recruiting, nothing dirty about that. Archie and Co have been talking to this kid daily for well over a year. The relationship is there. It isn't like these are just pieces in a puzzle with no emotions or relationships involved.

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You don't release a player to that school. Simple.

My guess is that any UD will only give qualified releases. It is almost always done that way.
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I hope MW stays at UD. But if he (or any other signee) chooses to leave - there's not much that can be done. I think it could open the doors for others to transfer in- and that worked out very well for Jordan, Vee and Cooke and now Josh. Yes we would hurt short term....but life goes on. I just hope the next coach has a longer vision than 5-6 years and has a Mark Few mentality.
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If he does this, I would lose whatever respect I have left of him.
No offense to any of the UD recruits but something tells me if they were "IU quality" recruits they would not be committed to Dayton. We don't generally win recruiting battles against blueblood programs. Rather we get in early on the guys that develop a little late and end up as three stars. If Archie has to take the Dayton recruits with him to IU, he is already in big trouble. I assume, (if there is truth to reports that UD stepped up with as much money as IU did), that the ability to attract better recruits, 4 stars and McDonald's AAs, was the major reason Archie took the job.
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No offense to any of the UD recruits but something tells me if they were "IU quality" recruits they would not be committed to Dayton. We don't generally win recruiting battles against blueblood programs. Rather we get in early on the guys that develop a little late and end up as three stars. If Archie has to take the Dayton recruits with him to IU, he is already in big trouble. I assume, (if there is truth to reports that UD stepped up with as much money as IU did), that the ability to attract better recruits, 4 stars and McDonald's AAs, was the major reason Archie took the job.
That's not necessarily true as early as recruiting starts today. Plenty of P5 schools are recruiting kids at 16 years old and wanting their verbals immediately. Kids do get better, get bigger, and become much more attractive players later in the process. The problem is there are few spots left by the time they are seniors...

It's really no different (on a slightly smaller scale) than transfers that play for a nobody but when they're 20 years old they can play for lots of big schools.
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U of Minnesota is UD's greatest threat to land Wright.
That was my first thought too - however looking closer I don't think they are much of a threat.

They have no open scholarships and they already signed a top 100 PG for next season.

I have faith that MW is sticking around.
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That's not necessarily true as early as recruiting starts today. Plenty of P5 schools are recruiting kids at 16 years old and wanting their verbals immediately. Kids do get better, get bigger, and become much more attractive players later in the process. The problem is there are few spots left by the time they are seniors...

It's really no different (on a slightly smaller scale) than transfers that play for a nobody but when they're 20 years old they can play for lots of big schools.
I guess my point was that if IU doesn't have a better PG on the roster or coming in than what MW projects to be, Archie made a bad decision in taking that job because at Indiana there is no "wait til he gets his guys" forbearance. If he goes 18-12 in year one, (like he did at UD IIRC), there will be a furor down there with people saying they made a bad hire. My guess is that the cupboard is pretty stocked at IU.
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Gregory stated when he took the GT job that Flyer commitments should stay Flyer commitments and he would not offer them a place at GT at the expense of Dayton. It probably made his job more difficult - Ladontae Henton could have altered Tech's trajectory. But he took the high road to his possible own detriment. Another reason BG was and is a good human.
GTech's problem wasn't losing Hinton or anyone else. That roster was loaded with great athletes. The problem was...guess who?
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Being from MN, Wright may feel the same way about IU as many Ohio people. Problem is that his stock has risen and many will be after him.
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MN Fats is correct, Mckinley won't want to share the show with another freshman PG.
Nor should any school expect him to. They'd be side-by-side for as much as 4 years, and kids today won't wait that long for gratification. Not just McKinley. ANY kid today.
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If Wright knows that UDpride has his back via tweet, is he more or less inclined to come to UD?
Less. Fans shouldn't contact recruits. Leave that to current/former players.
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Dirty? He (along with the staff) did the hard work in selling him on his vision. I wouldn't see that as dirty at all. Nothing different from someone in sales recruiting a customer over to another vendor if you change jobs. If he truly believes in their talent and has room for them at IU, I would expect him to want them to follow him.
That's why a lot of businesses will build "non-compete" clauses into their salesperson contracts.

"In the event your employment with XYZ CORP is terminated, for any reason, you shall not contact any of XYZ's customers for a period of 12 months following termination of your employment."

Verbiage like that. That said, I think Archie will use his player development skills a lot less on this new assignment, and his strategy & recruiting skills a lot more. IU won't have the patience to wait for a player like Kendall Pollard to "develop". His new recruits will generally need to hit the ground running.
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Just don't tweet recruits. It's unseemly and could technically be a NCAA violation (albeit one that would likely never be enforced). But mainly, it is just really weird/creepy. Leave high schoolers alone.
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GTech's problem wasn't losing Hinton or anyone else. That roster was loaded with great athletes. The problem was...guess who?
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But mainly, it is just really weird/creepy. Leave high schoolers alone.
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I've always thought the NCAA should add a rule that if a coach leaves, any signed recruits could not follow them for one year. That way they would give the signing school a running chance to keep their recruits. It would shut down backroom discussions that we all know go on in many of these cases. The recruit could go to a different school. They could attend the school they signed with. After a year if they waned to follow the coach, they can, but they have to follow all transfer rules and sit out a year. I would also write in an exception for any son or daughter case. They want to play for their dad/mom and I think that is an exception that is understandable. Probably a few more items I haven't thought of, but I'm surprised schools haven't talked about this type of a rule.
It may have stopped the Sheffer from poaching half our recruiting class when Horsman was rehired.
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Follow up comment from same journalist that he is waiting to see if Ostrom gets elevated.
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Follow up comment from same journalist that he is waiting to see if Ostrom gets elevated.
I mentioned this above, but Ostrom is very close to Wright and was the driving force behind his recruitment.
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Wow, probably. Was the free bib overalls or a corn field that is swaying him. If Archie would take him that is poaching.
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Lol. Archie did not drop a bombshell on him. The announcement by Indiana was the bombshell. If AM stayed at UD and Ostrom left for another gig we would not be having this thread as Wright would be at UD 100% next season. Right or wrong, as a kid should commit to a school first versus a coach, the kid wanted to, and may still want to, play for Miller.
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Would lose a lot of respect for Archie if he takes any recruits/players to Indiana. Just bad form.

If and when Dayton releases a player, I believe Dayton can say cannot sign with A-10, Indiana, etc. Not for sure here, would be curious.
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Would lose a lot of respect for Archie if he takes any recruits/players to Indiana. Just bad form.

If and when Dayton releases a player, I believe Dayton can say cannot sign with A-10, Indiana, etc. Not for sure here, would be curious.
I believe that is correct. The school has control over the release from the NLI.
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Would lose a lot of respect for Archie if he takes any recruits/players to Indiana. Just bad form.

If and when Dayton releases a player, I believe Dayton can say cannot sign with A-10, Indiana, etc. Not for sure here, would be curious.
I believe you are correct about UD restrictions. I do not know if a player can go to IU and sit out a year to get around not getting a release. I think they can, even an incoming freshman, but not 100% sure.
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
Agree, but I would be surprised, after all the great comments he has made about UD and his time here. Some say it was just coach-speak, but he went well beyond coach-speak.
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
So I guess you'd lose respect for Crean if he poached all these studs from IU and brought them to UD?

I wouldn't!

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After a NLI is signed, a player can back out and can go to whatever school they want to and would have to sit out one year. UD could grant a release so they would not have to sit out a year. That is UD's call, though.
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After a NLI is signed, a player can back out and can go to whatever school they want to and would have to sit out one year. UD could grant a release so they would not have to sit out a year. That is UD's call, though.
And that call will be to grant the release. You don't want a reputation to future recruits to do anything that binds players to a coach they didn't sign up to.
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Interesting that a program that considers itself a top tier one nationally would have to steal recruits from a mid major program. IU act like you are what you claim and get your own recruits
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Agree, but I would be surprised, after all the great comments he has made about UD and his time here. Some say it was just coach-speak, but he went well beyond coach-speak.
I think it was coach-speak, and always has been.

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Don't like it, but I get it.

If I was the parent of a recruit and the coach that recruited him left, my advice to him would be to weigh all his options.

I hate it for Dayton basketball, but I completely get why a recruit would want to reconsider his decision during a coaching change. At least he's being honest!
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So I guess you'd lose respect for Crean if he poached all these studs from IU and brought them to UD?

I wouldn't!

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No, I wouldn't particularly care for it, although it is quite difference scenarios. Crean didn't voluntarily leave his position for greener pastures, he was fired. I really don't want Crean at UD anyways.

I realize it's a different time and collegiate athletics has become more and more like professional sports, but someone in Miller's position could set an example and demonstrate class by leaving UD's recruits alone. He's done enough damage by leaving, leave them alone.

If college athletics has come to the point where everything is fair and as dirty as politics, then I'm going to continue to lose more and more interest in it. I'm not the fan of college basketball as I used to be simply because it's become what it is today, driven by greed and money.
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Follow up comment from same journalist that he is waiting to see if Ostrom gets elevated.
This so called journalist needs to do better on wording, or there could be NCAA investigating
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You don't have it? Oh yeah. You weren't at the last roundtable!
I will let you all know when I am out of town again, so you can schedule the next one for me to conveniently (for all of you) be unavailable to attend.
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so can you hook me up with the queens number? :d
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I get the excitement for Wright, but we have 4 other recruits that are pretty good. Not sure why they don't have their own thread.
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I get the excitement for Wright, but we have 4 other recruits that are pretty good. Not sure why they don't have their own thread.
I'm guessing it's without a 2nd point guard, we're not sure we'll be able to get the ball up the court and score points. We can make a full basketball team with MW.
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Wolfson just tweeted that if Ostrom stays, Wright will stay.https://mobile.twitter.com/DWolfsonK...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Wolfson just tweeted that if Ostrom stays, Wright will stay.https://mobile.twitter.com/DWolfsonK...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
MK should never tweeted this,it opens​ up a can of worms on the wording. Kids and social media
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That's recruiting, nothing dirty about that. Archie and Co have been talking to this kid daily for well over a year. The relationship is there. It isn't like these are just pieces in a puzzle with no emotions or relationships involved.
Who paid airfare, food and lodging for Archie and his assistants to travel to watch him play? While they were recruiting him who was paying the coaches salaries?
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I get the excitement for Wright, but we have 4 other recruits that are pretty good. Not sure why they don't have their own thread.
I figured it was because Wright made a relevant tweet that sparked this thread.
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Who paid airfare, food and lodging for Archie and his assistants to travel to watch him play? While they were recruiting him who was paying the coaches salaries?
I agree with this sentiment completely. Archie recruited these guys on UD's dime. I really respected BG's handling of Henton and Gibson, encouraging them to stay at UD. I understand Archie is IU's coach now, but he's gotta know how badly we need MW considering Crosby's lack of development. IU is a little easier school to recruit to, find another **** PG. I respect Coach Miller very much and am rooting for him to do big things at IU, but if he poaches any of our incoming recruits I will lose a lot of that respect.
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I agree with this sentiment completely. Archie recruited these guys on UD's dime. I really respected BG's handling of Henton and Gibson, encouraging them to stay at UD. I understand Archie is IU's coach now, but he's gotta know how badly we need MW considering Crosby's lack of development. IU is a little easier school to recruit to, find another **** PG. I respect Coach Miller very much and am rooting for him to do big things at IU, but if he poaches any of our incoming recruits I will lose a lot of that respect.
It's a little trickier than that. The one entity that gets screwed the worst in this situation are the recruits. The recruit used all the precious time he had to research and find his best fit. In most cases this means coach/basketball first, school second. The recruit can now go back to his 2nd and 3rd choices but there's a good chance that there's no openings there. If the recruit doesn't want to play for the new coach, wants to play for the former coach and there's a spot that the former coach can use this player, then is it ethically right to refuse to "poach" him?

Now I agree that if Archie initiates the opportunity before being contacted by the recruit, this is dirty and unethical. But if the recruit finds it important to his college basketball career to play for Archie and there's a spot for him and the recruit initiates contact, I think Archie's ethics priority goes to the player rather than his former school.
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It's a little trickier than that. The one entity that gets screwed the worst in this situation are the recruits. The recruit used all the precious time he had to research and find his best fit. In most cases this means coach/basketball first, school second. The recruit can now go back to his 2nd and 3rd choices but there's a good chance that there's no openings there. If the recruit doesn't want to play for the new coach, wants to play for the former coach and there's a spot that the former coach can use this player, then is it ethically right to refuse to "poach" him?

Now I agree that if Archie initiates the opportunity before being contacted by the recruit, this is dirty and unethical. But if the recruit finds it important to his college basketball career to play for Archie and there's a spot for him and the recruit initiates contact, I think Archie's ethics priority goes to the player rather than his former school.
Your logic is so ****ed-up on so many levels...where do I begin or should I bother? I guess I will...

>>>The one entity that gets screwed the worst in this situation are the recruits. <<< Exactly how? Does the recruit still have a UD scholarship sitting there waiting on him?

>>>The recruit used all the precious time he had to research and find his best fit. In most cases this means coach/basketball first, school second. <<<
If I were gifted enough to play and be recruited to be a division 1 college basketball player, would I be looking at my likely career AFTER basketball and what the SCHOOL offers in terms of career development/degree? What happens if the coach dies before the player ever makes the first practice? Shouldn't any coach be telling these guys your chances of making it to the "well-paying pro level" is like 1 in 100?

>>>If the recruit doesn't want to play for the new coach, wants to play for the former coach and there's a spot that the former coach can use this player, then is it ethically right to refuse to "poach" him?<<<
All to often, when a coach leaves and a new coach is hired, you see the new coach cleaning house to make room for "his" recruits to follow him. See John Calipari (any place he's ever been) and watch his "actions". How completely unethical is that? Someone else suggested that players should be able to follow the coach when his coach leaves to take another job. That should only be allowed to happen without penalty if the new coach (in this case Dayton) tells the player he's been released from obligation. If Archie poaches players from UD, he'll destroy any legacy (and respect) that he's earned.

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Agree 100%. If Archie poaches any player coming next year, he is not sincere in his appreciation for the players on the current roster, the Flyer Faithful and UD as a whole. Everything he has said about all of his time and relationships during his time in Dayton would have been a lie because you do not treat family like that. In his tweet the other day to say goodbye, he told the players on this team he would always be there for them. Well put your words into actions. Tell me how poaching one of their future teammates would fit those words. A recruit buys into many pieces of the total pie. The academics/school. The facilities. The conference. All their future teammates. Where they fit into the cycle of playing time. The fan base support. And, yes the coach(es).

If a coach leaves and poaches a recruit coming in the next year, he does it for one reason and one reason only. He does it to advance his career and success. Everything else be ****ed. Either Archie has honor or he doesn't. Either he is honest when he says he appreciates what the players, University and Flyer Faithful did to advance his career goals, or it was all lip service. If he has honor, he won't screw-over these people because you don't do that to family and trueteam will have been a lie. I'm counting on him being an honorable man.
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
That's why I commented on it being "dirty." You don't crap all over a program that gave him the opportunity of a lifetime. Archie can move on and I respect that, but if he either poaches or accepts a UD recruit, I have lost all respect for him.
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Your logic is so ****ed-up on so many levels...where do I begin or should I bother? I guess I will...

>>>The one entity that gets screwed the worst in this situation are the recruits. <<< Exactly how? Does the recruit still have a UD scholarship sitting there waiting on him?

>>>The recruit used all the precious time he had to research and find his best fit. In most cases this means coach/basketball first, school second. <<<
If I were gifted enough to play and be recruited to be a division 1 college basketball player, would I be looking at my likely career AFTER basketball and what the SCHOOL offers in terms of career development/degree? What happens if the coach dies before the player ever makes the first practice? Shouldn't any coach be telling these guys your chances of making it to the "well-paying pro level" is like 1 in 100?

>>>If the recruit doesn't want to play for the new coach, wants to play for the former coach and there's a spot that the former coach can use this player, then is it ethically right to refuse to "poach" him?<<<
All to often, when a coach leaves and a new coach is hired, you see the new coach cleaning house to make room for "his" recruits to follow him. See John Calipari (any place he's ever been) and watch his "actions". How completely unethical is that? Someone else suggested that players should be able to follow the coach when his coach leaves to take another job. That should only be allowed to happen without penalty if the new coach (in this case Dayton) tells the player he's been released from obligation. If Archie poaches players from UD, he'll destroy any legacy (and respect) that he's earned.
Look, it ain't a good situation for anybody here but you can try to use your logic all day long (and it's not incorrect) but you can't avoid at looking at this thru the player's eyes either. Most all of these kids think their s___t don't stink and believe they can go pro. You can believe what you want but almost 100% recruiting is about "comfort and relationships". That's the relationship with the coaches and comfort with the players on the team mainly and whatever else that "said" player was able to get familiar with on his visit(s) which ain't much since they are with the team almost the entire visit.

I don't disagree that kids should commit to the school far more than the coach but that's not happening nor realistic most of the time..Way too many multi-millionaire coaches with awe-struck reputations that these kids see on TV all the time come into your living room and "they" (not the school) tell you how "they" (not the school) will take care of the kid and how "they" (not the school) will get them to the NBA.

There are plenty of kids that commit to a school very early in the process and "said" coach looks them and their parents squarely in the eye and says what a "great 4 years we'll have". That is very influential. Meanwhile, several other enticing schools come in for the "hook, line, and sinker" and the kid and the family tell them it's too late. Either way, there is blame to go around to all but just as much where you can't blame all parties for now being left in this position and especially the kid and the new coach coming into what can be a dumpster fire.
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All to often, when a coach leaves and a new coach is hired, you see the new coach cleaning house to make room for "his" recruits to follow him. See John Calipari (any place he's ever been) and watch his "actions". How completely unethical is that?

Well, Calipari is "very close" (in fact, possibly related) to the Millers, and he basically lobbied for Archie to get the IU job, so.....
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