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Old 04-04-2020, 11:02 AM
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Long term implications for college sports from Covid-19

I’m reading more and more about what might happen if the college football season is either cancelled or scaled back. The financial implications are huge for the P5 and that seems to be the primary focus right now.

There are always secondary and tertiary effects as well.

For example, most MAC and other smaller FBS conference teams get huge paychecks playing the P5 schools in non conference games. These schools lose $ playing football BEFORE the big payouts of these non conference games. If the P5 cancels these games, could these schools drop football? There is already much chatter on many campuses about student fees totaling over $1,000 to help pay for college sports. With student debt so high, at what point do students revolt? How many students may start taking more online classes, completely forgoing the “college experience”? Many Universities are also going to struggle financially from sending students home this spring. At what point is the breaking point?

I don’t see college basketball affected in the same way because costs are much lower. However, what are the long term ramifications if some schools drop football? Could this usher in a new string of conference realignment? If so, UD needs to be ready to align with programs that want to fully focus on college basketball. Schools like Temple, Wichita St., VCU, come to mind. Even Univ. of Cincinnati may be forced to make really tough choices.

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Old 04-04-2020, 11:40 AM
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I saw Old Dominion dropped their wrestling citing the current situation

I think the writing is on all that football season is going to get canceled. Rutgers announced they're keeping people off campus till mid August

An ex Kansas State president said if there's no vaccine by July football season is done

Here's what I wonder about and I think this could get into the Power 5. If football season is cancelled is someone like Iowa State let alone a UC going to struggle with losing all those ticket sales and I assume having to pay all their fall coaches including football

What kind of financial reserves do athletic departments have?
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Old 04-04-2020, 11:41 AM
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I have no read on this but as this drags on is it going to make more people especially older fans reluctant to buy tickets to the games when everything is on TV now
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In the short term it sounds like no organized summer workouts or practices for the team.

In terms of recruiting it could benefit UD. It sounds like from Twitter that it's very likely all summer AAU/grassroots basketball is going to canceled. No camps on campus

Guys that the staff has IDed now that might have gotten Power 5 interest with their play in the summer might stay under the radar without a chance to break out.
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Old 04-21-2020, 09:03 AM
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Adding an article from DDN today. UD needs to be ready. Seismic shifts could happen quickly!

If colleges cut sports programs, could new models emerge? https://epaper.daytondailynews.com/p...cle&appid=2942
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I posted this in another thread, but applicable here as well:

https://www.si.com/college/2020/04/0...aa-coronavirus
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Urbana is closing forever. First but probably not the last to happen. UD assistant vball coach was head coach there for a couple years before returning to UD as an assistant. He probably knows some of the athletes affected.
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BREAKING: UConn Pres. Tom Katsouleas says that fall sports will likely be cancelled.

"Current thinking is that likely fall sports will be cancelled - with the exception of those that can be played at a safe distance”.

The Pres. spoke to a UConn Journalism class moments ago.
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Fall sports are cancelled on campus and the NFL holds a supplemental draft for college kids that would have been eligible for the draft next year and want to come out.... How much is that #1 pick for Trevor Lawrence worth to the Bengals.... or how much could they get for Joe Burrow and go with Sunshine instead?
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Self Imposed Economic Depression

The economic chaos created by the Covid -19 Pandemic may rival the Great Depression. It is likely that businesses, institutions and entire industries will not survive the governmentally imposed safety measures enacted voluntarily by the States and Federal government. It is questionable whether the University of Dayton can survive much less sports programs that rely on student-athletes. IMHO the State leaders need help to balance the immense amount of medical information informing their policy decisions with sound economic and business knowledge. This Pandemic has truly created an environment that is far beyond a traditional government response.
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The economic chaos created by the Covid -19 Pandemic may rival the Great Depression. It is likely that businesses, institutions and entire industries will not survive the governmentally imposed safety measures enacted voluntarily by the States and Federal government. It is questionable whether the University of Dayton can survive much less sports programs that rely on student-athletes. IMHO the State leaders need help to balance the immense amount of medical information informing their policy decisions with sound economic and business knowledge. This Pandemic has truly created an environment that is far beyond a traditional government response.
specifically related to UD, something that may help them survive are the lucrative government contracts they have. While they are a Catholic University, they have operated very similarly to a large public institution for a while at least when it comes to this.
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Urbana is closing forever. First but probably not the last to happen. UD assistant vball coach was head coach there for a couple years before returning to UD as an assistant. He probably knows some of the athletes affected.
My nephew was a freshman on the volleyball team there, IIRC this was the first year of men's volleyball there.

I am not sure why they had to close the school forever.
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https://twitter.com/uctvsports/statu...598668288?s=21
BREAKING: UConn Pres. Tom Katsouleas says that fall sports will likely be cancelled.

"Current thinking is that likely fall sports will be cancelled - with the exception of those that can be played at a safe distance”.

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UConn may ending up using this as a way of getting out of money losing football. Cancel it for this season and then come up with a reason why it never comes back.
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UConn may ending up using this as a way of getting out of money losing football. Cancel it for this season and then come up with a reason why it never comes back.
Especially since they are moving to the Big East. Their football program is an orphan right now.
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I think it is definitely a way for them to get out under the burden of football, except they'll still always have the 40,000 seat stadium that the state built for them and nothing to use it for. Pretty par for the course in CT, which is why they are often times considered to be in the worst financial situation of all 50 states.
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I know a couple of college professors (not including rollo) including chairs of departments. They have told me the number of universities who are about to teeter far over the edge of the abyss is more than you would like to imagine. They are comparing it to the housing bubble of 2009; we're months from total college disaster.



From what they tell me, there is no buffer to the revenue drop. No contingency plan was ever put in place for a 90%+ fall in revenue, so basically annual cash flow is about equal to annual expenses. You basically have to shut down a small city (housing, street maintenance, food delivery, medical services) and that says nothing to the problem of running a professional sports team if you're a P5 football school.



My first thought is why can't the endowment save them, for schools that have one? One problem is there are large gifts in the endowment that are earmarked and cannot be used to save the university. Second, the endowment is down by about 20% right now. And third, the rules of the endowment don't allow it (although for this point the rules could potentially be rewritten).
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Urbana is not the last college that is going to close and although I don’t have specific financial data, I’m pretty sure there will be some big schools in the mix and I think it will be a 2-3 years problem. They might patch something together this year but never recover. I think you also might see some college consolidation.

Most schools have big time business and professionals on their boards. There will be resignations because a lot of those people don’t want the risk of lawsuits if they have to vote tough decisions. Executives and boards at companies are already worried about liabilities if they bring back workers and someone gets sick or dies. Congress might have to step in with laws to address liability issues.

It’s a whole new ballgame the next couple years.
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With a very small school like Urbana, why can't they just shut it down temporarily, furlough everybody or cut their pay dramatically, and then restart once this is all over?

I guess that I am oversimplifying it. But millions of small businesses across the country are going to do what I said above. They can't get the bank to defer the mortgage or whatever payments? The mortgages would seem to be their only ongoing expenses. A college is just a collection of buildings with faculty and staff running them, same as some other businesses. They don't have any perishable inventory sitting there rotting away, that they are losing money on.

The faculty and staff will just have to suffer thru this like everybody else, or they can go find a job somewhere else to temporarily make ends meet. Many businesses are hiring right now. Kroger, Amazon, etc. can't find enough people.

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And what about remote learning? I have friends that have kids at other colleges and universities, and those schools are still running as we speak, everything is just online now. The tuition money is still getting paid by the students.

Something is not adding up here with Urbana.
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And what about remote learning? I have friends that have kids at other colleges and universities, and those schools are still running as we speak, everything is just online now. The tuition money is still getting paid by the students.

Something is not adding up here with Urbana.
I think Urbana was probably in trouble before this situation and COVID probably exasperated it

Urbana's tuition is 25K a year. If you're gonna do online learning why pay Urbana prices when you get much of the same from a Sinclair

Is an Urbana degree worth the extra money than the same degree from a state school
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Prior to the pandemic, I had speculated that when the student loan bubble pops, we would see a dramatic change in higher education. I have referred to it as the death of the four year degree. I feel like people would take one of two or three paths. things like graphic design, media production, most information technology, and other straightforward technical programs would probably melt into what we would now call today’s community colleges. track two would involve things like education, social work, or engineering that may require three or so years of schooling Followed bye an externship before coming out with a degree/certificate. path number three would involve anybody wanting to go into the medical field. This could even be broken up so that people gain certificates and skills along the way. After your first two years, you may come out with some sort of nursing certificate. At that point if you desire, you may take the appropriate exam to attend what we currently refer to as medical school. what’s missing in all of this you may ask? That’s right, the humanities. I have no answer for that. I feel like the only reason why people take those classes now unless you are genuinely interested in the subject, is because, they have to in order to get that piece of paper allowing them to do what they really want to. College is now way too expensive for unnecessary classes. people would be better off saving money for training they could obtain later. One thing I’ve learned is continuing education is always going to be necessary as things rapidly change. That was probably not the case when this post World War II model of education was rolling out. how colleges and universities in their current set up adapt to this will determine what happens at a greater level with sports. I didn’t see this kind of thing happening for 10 or so years. But, now that this virus has hit, it may happen faster than I expected.
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An ex Kansas State president said if there's no vaccine by July football season is done
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How Did FDR End the Great Depression?

By creating jobs for all Americans by leading the Declaration of War on Japan and Germany.
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I think Urbana was probably in trouble before this situation and COVID probably exasperated it

Urbana's tuition is 25K a year. If you're gonna do online learning why pay Urbana prices when you get much of the same from a Sinclair

Is an Urbana degree worth the extra money than the same degree from a state school
One could ask the same question about UD. I priced out a degree with 2 years at Sinclair and two at Wright State,(tuition only) came to about $16,500 for four years. A wee bit more at UD. Granted there are other factors both pro and con, but as far as price, there is a clear winner.
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Urbana is closing forever. First but probably not the last to happen. UD assistant vball coach was head coach there for a couple years before returning to UD as an assistant. He probably knows some of the athletes affected.
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My nephew was a freshman on the volleyball team there, IIRC this was the first year of men's volleyball there.

I am not sure why they had to close the school forever.
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And what about remote learning? I have friends that have kids at other colleges and universities, and those schools are still running as we speak, everything is just online now. The tuition money is still getting paid by the students.

Something is not adding up here with Urbana.

Urbana College basically closed in 2014, when it was acquired by Franklin University, a private nonprofit college. Since then it has operated under Franklin University as a branch campus. Close to 75% of the university's students do not attend classes on campus and will therefore continue taking online classes at Franklin.

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Prior to the pandemic, I had speculated that when the student loan bubble pops, we would see a dramatic change in higher education. I have referred to it as the death of the four year degree. I feel like people would take one of two or three paths. things like graphic design, media production, most information technology, and other straightforward technical programs would probably melt into what we would now call today’s community colleges. track two would involve things like education, social work, or engineering that may require three or so years of schooling Followed bye an externship before coming out with a degree/certificate. path number three would involve anybody wanting to go into the medical field. This could even be broken up so that people gain certificates and skills along the way. After your first two years, you may come out with some sort of nursing certificate. At that point if you desire, you may take the appropriate exam to attend what we currently refer to as medical school. what’s missing in all of this you may ask? That’s right, the humanities. I have no answer for that. I feel like the only reason why people take those classes now unless you are genuinely interested in the subject, is because, they have to in order to get that piece of paper allowing them to do what they really want to. College is now way too expensive for unnecessary classes. people would be better off saving money for training they could obtain later. One thing I’ve learned is continuing education is always going to be necessary as things rapidly change. That was probably not the case when this post World War II model of education was rolling out. how colleges and universities in their current set up adapt to this will determine what happens at a greater level with sports. I didn’t see this kind of thing happening for 10 or so years. But, now that this virus has hit, it may happen faster than I expected.
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There's a lot of merit to that whole thought process. But, it is the death of the liberal arts concept of education. People doing genetic research will have no basis for a discussion about ethics, for example. I'm not starting an argument that they necessarily have that ethics background today, but they'll have even less of it in the future.
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UD is in a precarious position right now, discussing all sorts of options to remain viable until things settle down. There's already the announcement that annually contracted faculty won't be renewed and adjuncts are a thing of the past, but there's more coming...and foreign students who aren't already here being denied admissions.

There is also the very real possibility of all Freshman and Sophomores living at home (no dorm living) and only upperclassmen being allowed on campus...along with the possibility of making Junior and Senior science majors (with field work requirements) have to add another semester or year of schooling to meet graduation/certification requirements (who's going to pay for that??), and so much more!

Stay tuned people, and hope this Corona Virus thing resolves itself ASAP.
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UD is in a precarious position right now, discussing all sorts of options to remain viable until things settle down. There's already the announcement that annually contracted faculty won't be renewed and adjuncts are a thing of the past, but there's more coming...and foreign students who aren't already here being denied admissions.

There is also the very real possibility of all Freshman and Sophomores living at home (no dorm living) and only upperclassmen being allowed on campus...along with the possibility of making Junior and Senior science majors (with field work requirements) have to add another semester or year of schooling to meet graduation/certification requirements (who's going to pay for that??), and so much more!

Stay tuned people, and hope this Corona Virus thing resolves itself ASAP.
Every time someone brings up something, another - I never thought about this - pops up. I believe international students typically pay full list price. So I think keeping them out will be a major hit to most schools - UD included.
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FWIW, this e-learning experience at UD is a joke. My daughter has professors who haven't entered grades since the week before Spring break, so she has NO idea how she's doing in 3 of her 5 classes. Her Communication professor is the worst...hasn't entered any grades or replied to an email in 3 weeks! Which is funny considering a Communication professor doesn't communicate. She's had teachers send them YouTube videos in lieu of actual presentations and her English teacher - who hasn't forwarded an assignment in 3 weeks - emailed the class last night with 5 assignments that are due this week.

For what it costs to attend UD, they better get their act together fast because I don't know of anyone who is willing to pay $30-$50k/year so their kids can watch YouTube videos and be ignored.

Then there's my son at Ohio State who is also home doing E-Learning. His professors are utilizing every app and technology known to do live lectures and are even getting creative with assignments that make learning fun. He's busting his rear end and benefitting from their efforts greatly.

If OSU is forced to do E-Learning in the Fall, I'll still send my son to live in Columbus because I know he's getting a quality education and I'm not wasting my money.

If UD is forced to to E-Learning in the Fall, there's a very real probability that she'll live at home and take all her classes at Sinclair (she's in UDs 1+2+1 Nursing program and already scheduled for Sinclair but we still owe UD >$5k for 'Guidance' blah, blah, blah) and we'll take a semester off from UD. And I'm sure many others will do the same.

Like I said, UD has ALOT of work to do if the Corona Virus issues don't get resolved.
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Then there's my son at Ohio State who is also home doing E-Learning. His professors are utilizing every app and technology known to do live lectures and are even getting creative with assignments that make learning fun. He's busting his rear end and benefitting from their efforts greatly.

If OSU is forced to do E-Learning in the Fall, I'll still send my son to live in Columbus because I know he's getting a quality education and I'm not wasting my money.

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Same situation here, very happy with the OSU given the circumstances, sorry to hear UD lagging so far behind. Two of my daughters 4 classes are still live with online lectures and the other two professors have been readily available via email or video conference to answer questions. On days I am at home, I try to listen in on her molecular genetics lectures. Although 90% of it goes way over my head, I still find it interesting and sit at my computer googling things I hear to understand it all a bit better. Got to run, class starts in 8 minutes!
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FWIW, UD has been 'closed' for over a month now and we/nobody has been allowed into the dorms to clean out their room. When I asked UD if I could just show up at the dorm and would be out in under 30 min, I was told that would be against DeWine's Orders so 'no'. Once DeWine allows groups of 10 to gather, UD will organize the move-out, which goes against all common sense when you literally have hundreds of local students who can do that now with no assistance or direction from UD needed. The DeWine comment is pure BS.

Me, my son and daughter would be the only people in the f'in dorm, so we wouldn't be violating anything. We have keys...we don't need ANYONE to be there. Just permission...and <30 min.

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FWIW, UD has been 'closed' for over a month now and we/nobody has been allowed into the dorms to clean out their room. When I asked UD if I could just show up at the dorm and would be out in under 30 min, I was told that would be against DeWine's Orders so 'no'. Once DeWine allows groups of 10 to gather, UD will organize the move-out, which goes against all common sense when you literally have hundreds of local students who can do that now with no assistance or direction from UD needed. The DeWine comment is pure BS.

Me, my son and daughter would be the only people in the f'in dorm, so we wouldn't be violating anything. We have keys...we don't need ANYONE to be there. Just permission...and <30 min.

UGH!
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Daughter #1: 8th grader at a Catholic primary school. Fairly happy with her educational situation, but her good teachers have been good, while her bad teacher has been predictably bad. Her own motivation is probably the biggest factor in her learning curve as there isn't the same oversight as there is in a regular classroom. We have heard from others in lower grades that the situation is NOT good--the third grade teacher has failed to return emails and is absent during her posted "office time." The oldest is headed to a Catholic high school next year with tuition that exceeds many universities. Time will tell if that actually happens, especially in light of the charged tuition versus the joke that is online learning.



Daughter #2: 3rd grader at a Christian Montessori school (founded & run by a Xavier grad, but I won't hold that against her...). Very pleased with the teacher engagement. Well thought out assignments; daily interaction via Zoom calls; twice-a-week (at least) emails to parents regarding status updates and where the class is headed.


For reference, we have heard the public school students have had very little direction and parents aren't terribly happy. We live in Williamson County (Franklin TN), a fairly affluent suburb just south of Nashville.
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Kansas’s AD, Bill Self, and Les Miles(football coach) to receive 10% pay cuts. Now I wonder if Dotson, Azubuike, and the rest of the players will receive the same cuts...
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I'm kind of late to this but let me add my 5 cents to this as I have several views here. First right now I'm an adjunct here at Wake Tech CC in Raleigh, NC and we have like everybody else been online since March 30. I still meet my class at its normal time online and do around a 50 minute lecture instead of the normal 90 minute class(I teach composition to EFL students) because research has shown in Univ classes that are taught live online people can only maintain focus for 45 minutes or so (my dept chair posted that info) so that's why people are cutting short classes. BUT, I tell my students I'm available pretty much anytime between 9A-10P if they need to ask a question et al and I've had meetings with students at 10-11PM. I understand how crazy these times are and try and accommodate my students including cutting some slack on deadlines.

What people need to be aware about going forward is at least at Wake Tech which offers a bunch of online classes already that this summer all of our online classes will be the asynchronous type of class where there will be no "live" lectures etc. Is UD going to that model too? That is going to be a shock to students especially if we go to that in the fall.

Here is something that schools like UD need to keep an eye on going forward. I taught at the university level in South Korea for many years and still have tons of friends there. Right now they are telling me (and it's in the news there) that many students are protesting having online classes and are demanding their tuition be refunded given they aren't in a classroom now, this is leading to some schools there to consider going back to seated classes. What happens to schools here if this demand comes? If I was a parent and if I had a kid at UD (I don't have kids, just cats) and if UD was telling me I would have to still shell out $15-20K/semester for online classes, I would consider pulling them out. Schools are going to have to adapt.

Last thing about online learning in the public schools here in Wake County, my sister lives nearby and her two kids in the Wake County Public Schools have been at it now for a couple of weeks and she isn't that happy, first it took them 4 weeks to get things ramped up when other counties were ramping up much faster. Second they only have school a couple of hours a day. She hopes they go back in the fall
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CAA, Big East and A-10 talking secondary sport schedule alliance

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This is a very interesting development. It makes me wonder if we might be evolving back to the traditional role of the conferences in terms of geographic proximity. I think that would be a real benefit to all of the sports, including basketball.
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This is a very interesting development. It makes me wonder if we might be evolving back to the traditional role of the conferences in terms of geographic proximity. I think that would be a real benefit to all of the sports, including basketball.
I doubt it. They are doing this because it is financially beneficial to do so. The Big East won't do this with basketball because it will not be financially beneficial for them to do so.
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This is a very interesting development. It makes me wonder if we might be evolving back to the traditional role of the conferences in terms of geographic proximity. I think that would be a real benefit to all of the sports, including basketball.
Probably not for basketball but count me for going to a volleyball game if X visits the Fredrick’s Ctr. I may not be able to cheer against the MBB team but I’ll scream my lungs out for the ladies VB team if they play X!
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Should this come to pass I don't see a lot savings for the Dayton athletic dept. Most of the schools are located in the East, similar to what we have now in the A-10. We play X, and Butler is some sports now, or now and then. I suppose DePaul and Marquette could come into play. We already schedule many mid-west teams in the non basketball sports. CAA is all east coast with Maine being quite a trip for us( WBB has made that trip). Will it do harm, no. Just don't see it as a big cost saver given our location in southern Ohio. But it would offer the opportunity to play some different teams.
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FWIW, UD has been 'closed' for over a month now and we/nobody has been allowed into the dorms to clean out their room. When I asked UD if I could just show up at the dorm and would be out in under 30 min, I was told that would be against DeWine's Orders so 'no'. Once DeWine allows groups of 10 to gather, UD will organize the move-out, which goes against all common sense when you literally have hundreds of local students who can do that now with no assistance or direction from UD needed. The DeWine comment is pure BS.

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UGH!
cmon. I'm in the same boat from 600 miles away. you know when any large entity makes a decision like that they need to consider it for the entire population...1000s of kids. and whether you like it or not, UD has to have a plan with full administrative support. they can't permit individuals to go into facilities without a process in place. it's not so simple a one person for 30 minutes. how is it managed if dozens - or more - show up at the same time (and you know people would show up if they found out you had)? There are families everywhere who are constantly contact UD to get their stuff. what if someone gets hurt? etc. I've been on several calls with folks from UD and UD has been clear and consistent. They are supporting the Governors directive and any actions they take will follow that lead. you may not like all of that but this is not about you and a handful of others. this is about UD dealing with these restrictions and the thousands of families in the same boat as you. I usually enjoy your takes. not this one.
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I can't imagine how much spoiled food that stinks of high heaven is in those dorms ATM. Ants and all sorts of varmints much be having a fest.
was having this discussion with my wife the other day. all of the food in those fridges!
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was having this discussion with my wife the other day. all of the food in those fridges!

It didn't take a pandemic to turn my son's college fridge into a superfund cleanup site - just sayin'.

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Probably not for basketball but count me for going to a volleyball game if X visits the Fredrick’s Ctr. I may not be able to cheer against the MBB team but I’ll scream my lungs out for the ladies VB team if they play X!
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cmon. I'm in the same boat from 600 miles away. you know when any large entity makes a decision like that they need to consider it for the entire population...1000s of kids. and whether you like it or not, UD has to have a plan with full administrative support. they can't permit individuals to go into facilities without a process in place. it's not so simple a one person for 30 minutes. how is it managed if dozens - or more - show up at the same time (and you know people would show up if they found out you had)? There are families everywhere who are constantly contact UD to get their stuff. what if someone gets hurt? etc. I've been on several calls with folks from UD and UD has been clear and consistent. They are supporting the Governors directive and any actions they take will follow that lead. you may not like all of that but this is not about you and a handful of others. this is about UD dealing with these restrictions and the thousands of families in the same boat as you. I usually enjoy your takes. not this one.
Actually, I’m surprised they haven’t made accommodations for students who live in the area to get into the dorms...and maybe they will with the planned business openings. Eventually everyone will have to retrieve their stuff. If you can process people now, it will reduce the numbers down the line. Otherwise the elevators and hallways will be packed.
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I’m currently a student at ud and have a friend in housing who said they will start letting people come and get their stuff when DeWine gives ud the ok to start letting that happen. She also said it will most likely be in waves based on how close you live (so locals will probably get to go first).
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cmon. I'm in the same boat from 600 miles away. you know when any large entity makes a decision like that they need to consider it for the entire population...1000s of kids. and whether you like it or not, UD has to have a plan with full administrative support. they can't permit individuals to go into facilities without a process in place. it's not so simple a one person for 30 minutes. how is it managed if dozens - or more - show up at the same time (and you know people would show up if they found out you had)? There are families everywhere who are constantly contact UD to get their stuff. what if someone gets hurt? etc. I've been on several calls with folks from UD and UD has been clear and consistent. They are supporting the Governors directive and any actions they take will follow that lead. you may not like all of that but this is not about you and a handful of others. this is about UD dealing with these restrictions and the thousands of families in the same boat as you. I usually enjoy your takes. not this one.
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I’m currently a student at ud and have a friend in housing who said they will start letting people come and get their stuff when DeWine gives ud the ok to start letting that happen. She also said it will most likely be in waves based on how close you live (so locals will probably get to go first).
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Be careful 'Boro...agreeing with Thy Royal Greatness will tarnish your resume (but it may earn you a spot at the Royal Roundtable)...plus, the King's King may become your neighbor soon! He placed a Golden bid on a new Palatial Estate in the 'Boro last night! Oakwood may never be the same without me!
Wait...what? There goes the neighborhood...
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Wait...what? There goes the neighborhood...
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Greedy SOB's want to negotiate...King Rollo doesn't negotiate. Their loss is Oakwood's gain. For now. I'm not done shopping.
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I thought Oakwood Village mobile home park was considered Miamisburg, but hey if you want to tell people it is Da "Boro have at it.

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Sorry about the paywall, but, here's a few tidbits from the article (hopefully not too much):



https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronav...d=hp_lead_pos4


Schools sent students home when the coronavirus began to spread, and no one knows if they will be back on campus come fall. Some colleges say large lecture classes and shared living and dining spaces may not return. Athletics are suspended, and there is no sense of when, or if, packed stadiums, and their lucrative revenue streams, will return.

For many schools, the pandemic is exposing flaws in their own business models. Even before the virus hit, many colleges and universities were running on razor-thin margins, with 30% of those rated by Moody’s Investors Service showing operating deficits.

Published tuition rates had skyrocketed, but few students actually paid full price. That left schools fighting over a limited pool of wealthy prospects. Some schools had turned to international students to bolster revenue—a strategy that may now prove to be a liability.


Before the pandemic, about 100 of the nation’s 1,000 private, liberal-arts colleges were likely to close over the next five years, predicted Robert Zemsky, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s graduate school of education, in “The College Stress Test,” a book published in February. He now says 200 of those schools could close in the next year.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronav...d=hp_lead_pos4


Schools sent students home when the coronavirus began to spread, and no one knows if they will be back on campus come fall. Some colleges say large lecture classes and shared living and dining spaces may not return. Athletics are suspended, and there is no sense of when, or if, packed stadiums, and their lucrative revenue streams, will return.

For many schools, the pandemic is exposing flaws in their own business models. Even before the virus hit, many colleges and universities were running on razor-thin margins, with 30% of those rated by Moody’s Investors Service showing operating deficits.

Published tuition rates had skyrocketed, but few students actually paid full price. That left schools fighting over a limited pool of wealthy prospects. Some schools had turned to international students to bolster revenue—a strategy that may now prove to be a liability.


Before the pandemic, about 100 of the nation’s 1,000 private, liberal-arts colleges were likely to close over the next five years, predicted Robert Zemsky, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s graduate school of education, in “The College Stress Test,” a book published in February. He now says 200 of those schools could close in the next year.
Plot twist: Xavier closes, Dayton joins the Big East, makes the tournament, and we go dancing on their ashes.
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NBA delays the draft lottery and combine.
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I believe this is the first step from the NCAA to build a protocol to allow collegiate sports to resume.

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-in...llegiate-sport

I also heard on the news this am that Congress is looking at a bill to indemnify businesses from lawsuits if they practice the guidelines set out at the time. Obviously, social distancing in stadium seats is an issue, but maybe plexiglass can be installed based on groupings of season ticket orders. If you have two seats, no plexiglass between the two, but on the outside of each seat, etc. Although, if you get your hair cut, you are closer than 6’, so it might be ok by then. I’m assuming if masks are still in play, everyone has to wear them. And probably temperatures checked at the entrances. For basketball, I could also see longer timeouts. Regular duration for huddles but breaking the huddle all players would have to towel down/“wash” hands before returning to the court. I could also see Rodney Chatman being the trend setter with the mask he wore last year. All players might have to wear a mask. For football, you install face guards on the helmet. For volleyball and soccer...the Chatman mask.
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It's May and states are just now s l o w l y opening up, and with significant restrictions. A very long way to go for grade schools, high schools, and universities to figure out how to safely re-open pre-vaccine...if they re-open at all (pre-vaccine)...let alone put fans in seats. The OHSAA and NCAA can kick the can down the road a month at a time, giving hope but likely unable to follow through, or they can do what Sinclair just announced and punt everything to next spring/fall:

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spor...dpiHCNYYcPN9I/
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I read in the DDN this morning that Sinclair has suspended all sports for the upcoming academic year. While not a long term implication of Covid-19, you have to wonder why they are doing this for the entire academic year. Is it because of safety or is it really because of cost reduction? They say it is for safety and they are providing free tuition for next year which, I would think, is the highest cost (more of an opportunity cost than true cost) so maybe it will be for just one year.

That leaves a hole for a lot of other Community College schedules in a lot of sports.

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BREAKING NEWS: Major changes coming to the Mid-American Conference.

The MAC is eliminating postseason tournaments from 8 sports.

MAC Basketball will get rid of divisions. Top 8 teams go to Cleveland. Moving to 20 conf. games.



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California cancelled in person classes for all 23 schools in the state system. This includes 9 schools that play Div 1 basketball. I can't imagine they will have fall athletics if they don't have in person classes.
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BREAKING NEWS: Major changes coming to the Mid-American Conference.

The MAC is eliminating postseason tournaments from 8 sports.

MAC Basketball will get rid of divisions. Top 8 teams go to Cleveland. Moving to 20 conf. games.



https://www.wtol.com/article/sports/...1-67a5a6d8fe3c
Wow....those are some major changes and for at least the next four years. I don't see the conference ever going back to post season tournaments for these sports. Cost reduction is the new normal.

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California cancelled in person classes for all 23 schools in the state system. This includes 9 schools that play Div 1 basketball. I can't imagine they will have fall athletics if they don't have in person classes.
I believe the NCAA has already stated that students would have to be on campus in order to have a sport. Doesn't look good for football, and this could be the tip of the iceburg. Probably more information on this will be forthcoming.
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I believe the NCAA has already stated that students would have to be on campus in order to have a sport. Doesn't look good for football, and this could be the tip of the iceburg. Probably more information on this will be forthcoming.
I think it's a little early for CA to make that decision. I wonder what the NCAA position will be when some states or schools have students on campus and others do not?

It will also be interesting to see what happens in individual conferences if some fraction of schools are in and want to have sports.
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I think it's a little early for CA to make that decision. I wonder what the NCAA position will be when some states or schools have students on campus and others do not?

It will also be interesting to see what happens in individual conferences if some fraction of schools are in and want to have sports.
Not early at all for CA to say no Fall classes or sports, as they are slow walking the entire "get back to normal". They better cut costs somewhere because their tax collections will be way down.
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I believe the NCAA has already stated that students would have to be on campus in order to have a sport. Doesn't look good for football, and this could be the tip of the iceburg. Probably more information on this will be forthcoming.
NCAA is leaving it up to schools and conferences. Big East has said no students on campus, no games. An SEC AD has said he's fine with online
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shut down Fall College football with his statements yesterday. The real question now is whether or not the American economy can survive the impeccable science of Dr. Fauci.
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shut down Fall College football with his statements yesterday. The real question now is whether or not the American economy can survive the impeccable science of Dr. Fauci.
impeccable science of Dr. Fauci
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vs the impeccable science of Dr. Trump
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C'mon guys, you have to believe the science. Which one?
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C'mon guys, you have to believe the science. Which one?
I like that quote jack72...

I didn't believe Fauci in January, when he said we didn't have to worry about the virus in the US.

I did believe Fauci in March when he said we didn't need to wear face masks.

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I don't understand the no students on campus = no sports theory. Why? Online classes aren't new. I had online classes in college over a decade ago.

Baseball traditionally competes during periods when there are no students on campus. Plenty of winter sports compete during periods with no classes going on. What's the difference?

Also, why are decisions about sports in the fall being made in the beginning of May?
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Not advocating either way but if it is deemed "unsafe" for students to be in groups, it is hard to say that athletes are safe in rather close groups. However $$$ reigns and will drive decisions.
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Not advocating either way but if it is deemed "unsafe" for students to be in groups, it is hard to say that athletes are safe in rather close groups. However $$$ reigns and will drive decisions.

Yep, unsafe for students to be in groups. Is this the same students who live in apartments off campus and all said last week screw what Dewine is being told to tell us, and started having parties 5 nights a week since classes are over? My daughter showed me pictures off snapchat or whatever she has of all the parties in Columbus at OSU she was missing out on. I think it was a friend of hers at Kent State posted a picture where students were seeing how many people they could pack in one room for a picture.
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Yep, unsafe for students to be in groups. Is this the same students who live in apartments off campus and all said last week screw what Dewine is being told to tell us, and started having parties 5 nights a week since classes are over? My daughter showed me pictures off snapchat or whatever she has of all the parties in Columbus at OSU she was missing out on. I think it was a friend of hers at Kent State posted a picture where students were seeing how many people they could pack in one room for a picture.
Thankfully the students don't make policy. Not defending policy either way. As I understand it Gov. DeWine has done a credible job. I live in Fl but have two daughters in the Dayton area, they seem to approve of the job the Gov has done. As I and my wife are 80 years old and have a Downs adult child with diabetes living with us, I tend to be on the cautious side. Will be interesting to see how things turn out in the months ahead, hopefully well.
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Well, from what I've read online Nevada sounds like they're gonna have students on campus in the fall
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I would think that those second tier schools that traditionally travel all December playing “buy games” at places like Ohio State, Dayton, and Cincinnati might not want to expose themselves to Possible Covid with all that traveling. If we play at all, we might have a thinned down schedule.
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If states keep up with the mandatory self quarantine if you leave the state or enter that’s gonna be a problem.
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Couple points...

Predictions have been wrong and all over the board in the last two months. Since this is the case, why are "smart people" colleges putting so much faith in the today to make decisions for 3 months from now?

No one can predict August. No one. Games can be cancelled quicker than they are scheduled. Seasons and events can be cancelled quicker than they are scheduled and planned. There is ZERO reason to jump to drastic decisions for things that can be cancelled prior to a flight. A10 was cancelled day of. NCAA days prior.

Mandatory quarantine will be a thing of the past in the next 30 days. Every supreme court in the land will be ruling it unconstitutional, so that won't come into play for college sports.

Conferences that are already making decisions for conference basketball tournaments and other conference championships are using COVID as an excuse. Other than basketball and spring sports, they have lost virtually ZERO revenue due to COVID. They have used this as an excuse to shutter these tournaments that they have probably considered to shutter for an extended period of time to save money. Just like the A10. There is no way that opening the doors for Wednesday-Friday games even pays the bills that the A10 has. These smaller conferences are even worse.

Take Urbana University that said COVID was partly to blame for closing. BS. They were a shoestring from folding anyway and this was an easy way out. This goes for any university that makes decisions for tournaments 10 months from now...this is the easy way to save a buck and have something to blame it on.

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Dr. Spina has released a letter indicating that the University of Dayton will be opening in the fall with additional health provisions.
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Now that our students are through the spring semester, I know you have many questions about what the University is doing to work toward reopening campus safely in the fall. Given all the unknowns about the pandemic, including how long this crisis will last, no university can state with any degree of certainty what conditions for face-to-face, on-campus interaction will be by the time classes start.

Nonetheless, I want to assure you that safely reopening campus in the fall is our highest priority. If our students, faculty and staff make a mutual commitment to each other, work collaboratively with public health officials, remain flexible in our approach to learning and living on campus, and grant each other grace — I believe we can safely and successfully come together on the UD campus this fall.

We have established a new webpage “UD Path Forward — Toward a Safe Reopening of Campus” that will focus solely on reopening, where you will be able to find video conversations, FAQs, a message archive, and other information.

I also invite you to view my new video conversation with recently elected SGA President Natalie Coppolino and Vice President Anne Philbin, in which we discuss student questions like what social distancing might look like in the residence halls and student neighborhoods, impact on graduation paths, the impact on student clubs and organizations, and whether students will be able to use facilities such as the RecPlex.

A crucial component of our planning is our Catholic, Marianist commitment to community. The health and safety of all students, faculty, and staff — as well as our ability to remain here on campus — depend upon a mutual commitment and dedication to keeping each other as healthy as possible. This calls for true interdependence as we adapt to new expectations, whether in the classroom, in residence halls, or in the student neighborhood.

As we move into this new phase, let me close by assuring you that everything we are doing is geared to reopening campus so that our students may safely return. I look forward to the day when I can welcome our students back to campus so they can again be together to learn and live in our beloved UD community.
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Good

Many in this great country work at how to get things done. There is a segment that doesn’t feel that way. They want certainty in an uncertain world.

There’s no reason this country can’t start back up. Rather than focus on why we can’t, we need more commitment like Rebel’s above to figure out HOW WE CAN.
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If success of having students on campus rests on responsible behavior in the ghetto, good luck with that. refer you to post #80. Having said that I am happy that the U is making plans to reopen. As a member of the vunerable group, I realize that the country cannot remain in luckdown. If I have to then that's on me, but hopefully others will use their heads and not put us back to where we have been the last 2 months

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Dr. Spina has released a letter indicating that the University of Dayton will be opening in the fall with additional health provisions.
UD is making the necessary business decision in order to survive.
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As someone who speaks to the largest banks and research institutions on a daily basis, I'll just say this: when someone says we're shutting down the economy to "save" lives, that person has either a willful or unintentional misunderstanding of what that means. We are, most likely, "trading" lives. Not just the relatively small number of suicides and homicides, but more importantly the potential for outright global starvation.

We're most likely trading lives saved today for lives lost tomorrow. Nobody knows how many we're saving today, and how many we're sacrificing tomorrow, so I'm not saying it's necessarily the wrong call to make. I'm just saying, if you're one of those people, stop saying "saving" and start saying "trading".

And if you're counting on a very fast vaccine or treatment to stop the tradeoff of those future lives, that's OK, you do you. Just admit to yourself that your strategy is "hope." I hope you're right.
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As someone who speaks to the largest banks and research institutions on a daily basis, I'll just say this: when someone says we're shutting down the economy to "save" lives, that person has either a willful or unintentional misunderstanding of what that means. We are, most likely, "trading" lives. Not just the relatively small number of suicides and homicides, but more importantly the potential for outright global starvation.

We're most likely trading lives saved today for lives lost tomorrow. Nobody knows how many we're saving today, and how many we're sacrificing tomorrow, so I'm not saying it's necessarily the wrong call to make. I'm just saying, if you're one of those people, stop saying "saving" and start saying "trading".

And if you're counting on a very fast vaccine or treatment to stop the tradeoff of those future lives, that's OK, you do you. Just admit to yourself that your strategy is "hope." I hope you're right.
The point was never to shut it down until there was a vaccine, or until there was no risk. It was to buy time to mitigate the risk significantly. The problem is we haven't done much in that time. We don't have enough testing and tracing to effectively mitigate that risk going forward. We have managed to avoid a run on hospitals outside of a few hot spots, but without proper management going forward, we risk creating new ones.

There is no economy when there is no demand, regardless of what is permitted to be open. And demand won't return to many sectors until people feel comfortable going out and being around other people. And that won't happen until you manage the health crisis.
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The point was never to shut it down until there was a vaccine, or until there was no risk. It was to buy time to mitigate the risk significantly. The problem is we haven't done much in that time. We don't have enough testing and tracing to effectively mitigate that risk going forward. We have managed to avoid a run on hospitals outside of a few hot spots, but without proper management going forward, we risk creating new ones.

There is no economy when there is no demand, regardless of what is permitted to be open. And demand won't return to many sectors until people feel comfortable going out and being around other people. And that won't happen until you manage the health crisis.
I think, at least in my circles, there are plenty of people that feel comfortable going out but can't because of state government orders that are not allowing businesses to open back...therefore nowhere for the people who are comfortable going out to go. Let the businesses open and if you are one that does not feel comfortable then do not go out, but if you are comfortable then go out.
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I think, at least in my circles, there are plenty of people that feel comfortable going out but can't because of state government orders that are not allowing businesses to open back...therefore nowhere for the people who are comfortable going out to go. Let the businesses open and if you are one that does not feel comfortable then do not go out, but if you are comfortable then go out.
'Comfortable' has to also mean 'responsible'. Think of an ice-storm and how each County announces emergency levels (1, 2 or 3) of safety with respect to driving. Most people who drive to work do comfortably applying caution, but we've all seen the 1-in-100 idiot who is 'comfortable' driving 80 mph and ends up in a ditch or bouncing off a guardrail and shutting down the highway.

Just as there are snow storm idiots, there are Covid-19 idiots. Lots of them.
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'Comfortable' has to also mean 'responsible'. Think of an ice-storm and how each County announces emergency levels (1, 2 or 3) of safety with respect to driving. Most people who drive to work do comfortably applying caution, but we've all seen the 1-in-100 idiot who is 'comfortable' driving 80 mph and ends up in a ditch or bouncing off a guardrail and shutting down the highway.

Just as there are snow storm idiots, there are Covid-19 idiots. Lots of them.
There are [insert activity] idiots all through life and we don't shut down the economy.

We haven't stopped driving even though statistics show that 69% of drivers text or use their phone for other reasons while driving.
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'Comfortable' has to also mean 'responsible'. Think of an ice-storm and how each County announces emergency levels (1, 2 or 3) of safety with respect to driving. Most people who drive to work do comfortably applying caution, but we've all seen the 1-in-100 idiot who is 'comfortable' driving 80 mph and ends up in a ditch or bouncing off a guardrail and shutting down the highway.

Just as there are snow storm idiots, there are Covid-19 idiots. Lots of them.
Lots of idiots in both categories (ice and Covid). Throw in the idiots who show up to work with a 102 fever. Above examples can lead to collateral damage/illness/death. Does Spina continue lockdown because of it?

BTW, from his lips to my ears, our Ohio Lt Governor stated an hour ago that there will soon be guidelines on the state coronavirus website on how to safely play CORNHOLE. Seriously.

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I think, at least in my circles, there are plenty of people that feel comfortable going out but can't because of state government orders that are not allowing businesses to open back...therefore nowhere for the people who are comfortable going out to go. Let the businesses open and if you are one that does not feel comfortable then do not go out, but if you are comfortable then go out.
Most polls show that majorities, if not large majorities, are reluctant (depending on the activity). Your mileage will vary depending on the poll and what the specific activity is, but most businesses will still be hurting if just half of their customer base are concerned about the health aspects of doing business with you. Couple that with general anxiety about the economic climate and increased savings rates across the board and I really don't think suddenly "opening up" is going to be the magic pill many believe it to be. It may not make a difference for many businesses, unfortunately, while potentially worsening the root cause of the problem by further spreading the disease.
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Most polls show that majorities, if not large majorities, are reluctant (depending on the activity). Your mileage will vary depending on the poll and what the specific activity is, but most businesses will still be hurting if just half of their customer base are concerned about the health aspects of doing business with you. Couple that with general anxiety about the economic climate and increased savings rates across the board and I really don't think suddenly "opening up" is going to be the magic pill many believe it to be. It may not make a difference for many businesses, unfortunately, while potentially worsening the root cause of the problem by further spreading the disease.
I stopped reading after "Most polls show"...
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I stopped reading after "Most polls show"...
I'm open to other evidence, polls are only a snapshot in time but they are still solid evidence if it utilizes appropriate methodology. Businesses are open, do you see any that are truly thriving? I'm just using the data I have available today. Anecdotally where I live, a lot of restaurants can open but are remaining closed or sticking with takeout only because they are not making money by opening up like they had in the past.
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