Nice Bounce Back Win

[SeasonTicketFan]

Monday, Archie said by the end of the season, the Flyers would be a good shooting team. Finally, the shots were going in, but it took a while to really get it going.

They had to play tonight without their leading scorer (Cooke) and in the 2nd half, the ball started to go in the basket from the 3 point line better. Finally!

UD shot 3 for 12 a dismal 25% from the 3 in the first half. Scoochie bounced back and kept UD in the game during the first half. Trailing by 3 at halftime thanks to a monster 1st half by Gibbs. He is the real deal and tough.

At halftime, Baby D was 0 for 6 from the field. His shots just were not dropping. He made 2 big 3s in the second half. Those 2 were daggers.

2nd half. The lightning that UD has at times showed up. Davidson went cold. They scored 10 points in the first 13 minutes of the second and UD went on a tear. The 3 ball from a series of Flyers started to fall. (I wish just 2-3 or those would have fallen as well for LaSalle). The defense was great. Gibbs had 1 of those 10 points. Kyle did a great job on him, but the team played excellent team D and rotated through picks and movement. The lead grew to 19 points with 7-8 minutes to go.

Then, as usual, it got interesting. Davidson started bombing 3s. Gibbs had 4 of them (to end with 31). The ball screen defense was horrible as he got open very easily at times. UD stopped fighting through picks. Inconsistent especially end of game defense has been a problem through the year. LaSalle scored at will at the end of their game.

Davidson scored 30 points in the last 7 1/2 minutes. Many of them 3s. UD holds and wins.

Good team effort. The lid came the basket in the 2nd half, but the ball movement on offense was good. Very few assists in the first half, but a lot for the game.

The 3 ball opened up the inside game and the offense. Pierre and Pollard late in the game made some very nice plays in the paint. I like the fact the once the 3s started dropping, UD pounded it inside. Too many teams fall in love with the 3.

Good rebounding game for Pierre and McElvene. I wish UD had many more rebounds than Davidson. Davidson had a lot of offensive rebounds due to the number of 3 attempts, but I wish this team would focus on rebounding more.

It was nice to see the team play offense during the second half. 47 points!! Granted Davidson is arguably the worst defensive team in the league giving up the most points. However, the offense scored 80 without Cooke!

Many looks in the second were wide open. This was the offense we were waiting to see. I hope Darrell and Kyle can get their stroke going. Darrell is too good of a shooter to have the shooting season he has had so far.

Nice contributions by Mikesell and Crosby. I can see why Mikesell is struggling for playing time. His D needs to improve (and it will). However, Mikesell had two really nice drives in the first half.


Steve played only 18 minutes and had 7 rebounds. As soon as the ball goes into him, teams swarm towards him. He had some good kick outs. If players can bang down that 3 on the double team and kick out, look out.

Gutsy performance by Kyle chasing the scoring stud all night. What can you say?

I hope Cooke will be back on Friday. UD will need him.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[66flyer]

I was amazed to see in the stats that we hit only 2 less 3s than DC and had a way better %. It seemed at times that all DC hit were 3s. The big factor was UD's 5 more FGs and another way better %. Got to keep it up Fri. vs GW. No more let-downs. It kills me when we lose anytime, but especially to a dregs team like LaSalle. Onward and upward!

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Smitty10]

I was glad to see Baby D continue to shoot even though they weren't going in. You can tell when he doesn't get the right shot off before it ever gets to the hoop. He's so smooth when he shoots it patiently, I wish he would get a better rhythm.

[224]

The blown lead at the end of the game is very interesting if you look at the numbers. After we went on that 19-0 run we were up 15 or so most of the second half. And even at the end of the game...

We were up 15 with 2:02 to go.
We were up 11 with 40 seconds to go.

Then somehow it got to 4 with 14 seconds to go.

I think 99.9% of us felt comfortable at the 2minute mark. And also at the 40 second mark. But no one did at the 14 second mark. This team currently lacks the ability to finish and it's been like this all year. Comfortable leads blown in 2nd half. Iowa, Arkansas, LaSalle, *almost* last night.

Is it the lack of player leadership?

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by 224 The blown lead at the end of the game is very interesting if you look at the numbers. After we went on that 19-0 run we were up 15 or so most of the second half. And even at the end of the game... We were up 15 with 2:02 to go. We were up 11 with 40 seconds to go. Then somehow it got to 4 with 14 seconds to go. I think 99.9% of us felt comfortable at the 2minute mark. And also at the 40 second mark. But no one did at the 14 second mark. This team currently lacks the ability to finish and it's been like this all year. Comfortable leads blown in 2nd half. Iowa, Arkansas, LaSalle, *almost* last night. Is it the lack of player leadership?

I went back and looked at the play by play too. Last night I was bent on the 4 bad possessions after we had the 19 point lead but then is was still a 15 pt lead. As you said, it was with 2 min to go that things fell more apart. I guess it could have before and the law of average caught up. I think it was more of a they let their foot off the gas with the big lead and did not play 3 ball D. Hopefully another learning lesson.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by CE80 I went back and looked at the play by play too. Last night I was bent on the 4 bad possessions after we had the 19 point lead but then is was still a 15 pt lead. As you said, it was with 2 min to go that things fell more apart. I guess it could have before and the law of average caught up. I think it was more of a they let their foot off the gas with the big lead and did not play 3 ball D. Hopefully another learning lesson.

I think at times this team gets impatient on offense and their shot selection becomes suspect. Also, when impatient the Flyers tend to forget about penetrating and dishing and instead resort to perimeter passing and ill-advised shots.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by TommyGola I think at times this team gets impatient on offense and their shot selection becomes suspect. Also, when impatient the Flyers tend to forget about penetrating and dishing and instead resort to perimeter passing and ill-advised shots.

Spot on. Then when they get the big lead, they don't run their regular offense. Start running a play too late in the shot clock and end up getting blocked in traffic or throwing up a lousy shot.

[AC91]

besides so many threes dropping for Davidson, i thought our second half FT shooting was the primary reason it was so close at the end. we missed several in the last minute, Kendall and Scoochie missed front ends of one and ones and Pierre went 1/2 and in that time the score went from 77-66 to 78-74. Then Scoochie finally hit 2 FTs with 11 seconds left to close it out. We have to hit those FTs.

[udstevied_D87]

Gotta love espn. C'mon man!

"Dayton uses big run to beat Dayton 80-74"

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...meId=400840941

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by udstevied_D87 Gotta love espn. C'mon man! "Dayton uses big run to beat Dayton 80-74" http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...meId=400840941

Almost happened!

[FLYER5]

When Davidson goes 0-for-six-minutes, it is akin to the ocean tide receding. There will be a tsunami!!!!
C'mon men!!!

[Flyer 86]

Originally Posted by AC91 besides so many threes dropping for Davidson, i thought our second half FT shooting was the primary reason it was so close at the end. we missed several in the last minute, Kendall and Scoochie missed front ends of one and ones and Pierre went 1/2 and in that time the score went from 77-66 to 78-74. Then Scoochie finally hit 2 FTs with 11 seconds left to close it out. We have to hit those FTs.

Where is Khari Price or JS when ya need them?

As to final 1 minute or 90 seconds i was most angry at DP'S brush foul on guy in paint that became a regular 3 point play. Just dont foul him!!! Think we were up 6 to 9 at that point. It brought things much , much closer. And gave the guy an automatic freebie.

[jack72]

Notice how Davidson dropped two men on Steve every time when he got the ball, or was close to getting it. They paid for it a few times. In the future Steve will see that coming and more teams will pay. He has great vision and passing skills.

[UDDoug]

The problem wasn't with the offense for the lead shrinking. It was on the other end of the court. Inside 4:30 Davidson scored on every possession except Aldridge last 3 with 2.5 seconds left (counting missing a shot, getting the offensive rebound, and then scoring as a single possession). You are going to give up a lot of points when the opponent scores every time they have the ball, and especially when many of the those scores are threes or and ones. Mix in a few missed free throws and you have a rapidly shrinking lead.

On the other side of the coin, to build the 19 point lead UD scored on 9 of 10 possessions.

[Fudd]

That guard of theirs(Davidson) was unreal with his shooting ability outside the arc. In some cases, the only way we were going to stop him was with a double-team outside the arc. His teammates were good at giving him quality screens.

[Flyer 86]

Yep! Guys like that go on runs.... just as he was oh fear 6 or 7 five to 8 minutes earlier. Was just a matter of time.

There isn't much you can do. Keep working the ball screens, fighting to get thru and above.

[UDDoug]

When he was scoring in bunches UD kept getting caught underneath, or actually went under screens.

When you are guarding Gibbs, you NEVER go under a screen.

[longtimefan]

Some of those screens appeared to be moving screens. Some refs call moving screens all the time. Others seldom call them. Must confuse the players. With these new "points of emphasis" I think the officials are also confused.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan Some of those screens appeared to be moving screens. Some refs call moving screens all the time. Others seldom call them. Must confuse the players. With these new "points of emphasis" I think the officials are also confused.

They didn't get called either way. Pollard got away with a pretty blatant moving screen in the first few minutes that got Scoochie a wide open three which he knocked down.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Flyer 86 Where is Khari Price or JS when ya need them? As to final 1 minute or 90 seconds i was most angry at DP'S brush foul on guy in paint that became a regular 3 point play. Just dont foul him!!! Think we were up 6 to 9 at that point. It brought things much , much closer. And gave the guy an automatic freebie.

We seem to give away one of those old fashioned 3 point plays at the end of every game that we are holding a 2 possession lead. If you're going to foul, you have to make sure the shot doesn't go in.

Khari or JS? I'm looking for CJ in those situations.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by CE80 I went back and looked at the play by play too. Last night I was bent on the 4 bad possessions after we had the 19 point lead but then is was still a 15 pt lead. As you said, it was with 2 min to go that things fell more apart. I guess it could have before and the law of average caught up. I think it was more of a they let their foot off the gas with the big lead and did not play 3 ball D. Hopefully another learning lesson.

When we had our first bad possession after the 19-0 run I was yelling for a timeout. I wanted Archie to ream the guys for it. Just because you're up big doesn't give you the excuse to stop playing the right way, and I thought he needed to send the message that we're not going to start re-building bad habits just when we're finally starting to play right. I thought it would have sent the right message in what appeared to be a game that turned into a laugher.

2 games in a row Crosby looks loose and appears to be enjoying the game. What a difference that SS can take a break even if it's only for a few minutes. DD at PG is a bad situation. He's just not a PG.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Gazoo When we had our first bad possession after the 19-0 run I was yelling for a timeout. I wanted Archie to ream the guys for it. Just because you're up big doesn't give you the excuse to stop playing the right way, and I thought he needed to send the message that we're not going to start re-building bad habits just when we're finally starting to play right. I thought it would have sent the right message in what appeared to be a game that turned into a laugher. 2 games in a row Crosby looks loose and appears to be enjoying the game. What a difference that SS can take a break even if it's only for a few minutes. DD at PG is a bad situation. He's just not a PG.

Agree about the first bad possession. Matter of fact, while it's not always 19-0 run, this happens about every game and by now a time out should be called each time. It signals that the Flyers are about to let a big chunk of the lead to disappear and maybe if he did what you say, it would allow the Flyers to keep the momentum going.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer They didn't get called either way. Pollard got away with a pretty blatant moving screen in the first few minutes that got Scoochie a wide open three which he knocked down.

The fact that nearly 20 fouls were called in the first half and only ONE foul (on Davidson) was called in the firs 14 mins of the second half proves how jacked up the rule changes and their implementation by the refs has become. Game-to-game inconsistency is one thing. Half-to-half inconsistency is another. Save your breath if you plan on pointing out that the teams were crossing half court and launching 3's...that wasn't the case. Ryan Mikesell was escorted into the first row under the basket by 2 Davidson players...out of bounds, Davidson ball. Pathetic.

[maddog07]

DD seems to have lost the ability or willingness to drive to the hoop that he showed early in the year. He made a move along the baseline early last night but got whistled for traveling and never drove again. He has the length and hops to be successful. Needs this to complement his set shot and get more space . If he's going to be a starter, even in relief, he must have more dimension to his game.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Radar Ryan Mikesell was escorted into the first row under the basket by 2 Davidson players...out of bounds, Davidson ball. Pathetic.

I watched the replay on TV, that particular case was actually a good no-call. Mikesell tried to reach around the guy by falling out of bounds and just lost the ball. The guys were stationary.